Founding Fathers: The Untold Story of Hip Hop

Do you consider yourself a student or product of hip hop? The UWSP was on-location to cover the screening of the documentary "Founding Fathers"produced and directed by Hassan Pore and Multi-Platinum Producer, Ron "Amen-Ra" Lawrence. Hear from some of the early pioneers hip hop about how it all began. You think you know...find out!

[@blessedandhighlyflavored5381]

This is FBA music PERIOT!!!

[@abxtale]

What dudes gotta understand is when cats like Pete Jones(BX), Flowers(BK), Cipher of Sounds(QU), Disco Twins(QU) were doing mobile gigs they were the precurser of Hip Hop. Herc brought out the B-boy, along with the miracle go round style of mixing breaks which became the standard soundtrack for an MC or crew to do routines. The elements of hip hop came from all over even outside of NY. But they were unified in the Bronx where it became a culture. That's why the BX gets the recognition.

[@djhardcorproductions6132]

This is Disco DJing not HIP HOP ! Ok yall may have had better systems or even stated spinning before the guys in the Bronx but it wasn't HIP HOP. Stop giving out misinformation. They didn't breakdance so how are they HIP HOP ?

[@tadah21]

@@djhardcorproductions6132 to be a thorough DJ you have to know music all kinds as well as have tempo and tech skills. If you listen to jazzy jeff he is a throwback they can do all forms of music thats why they can destroy hip hop sets. In the early days when hip hop was forming disco was where a lot of the break beats came from and mixing. Clark Kent can do all forms of music that is why they are so good hip hop djays. It came from somewhere herc flash will credit these guys if you asked them. They became pioneers and brought culture forward through evolution but inventors N-O. RnB Funk disco hip hop how they knew to find records rocknroll breaks all come from these guys hip hop history

[@djhardcorproductions6132]

@@tadah21 Ok yeah and ?? ... What your saying has nothing to do with who started hip hop. This entire thread is about did the Bronx start it or did Brooklyn/Queens ? Besides I don't need an explanation of what a thorough DJ is. Lol I've been in the culture since back in the day. I seen Jeff at parties back in Philly before Will Smith was even rappin with him yet

[@tadah21]

@@djhardcorproductions6132 its obvious Queens did😆

[@djhardcorproductions6132]

@@tadah21 🤣🤣🤣 no way !

[@Mikegee63]

Its weird that during this documentary, I didn't hear one breakbeat, so are they talking about who came out and played dance music like " love is the message" on the biggest sound system outside or are they talking about who was the first to be outside playing records like apache, dance to the drummers beat, frisco disco, scratchin, lets dance, mardi gras aka breaking bells, nautilus, catch a groove, I can't stop, etc? Bronx and Harlem may not have had the crazy sound systems, but we had break beats for days!!

[@gaineyjm]

it's amazing how NJ, Philly, & DC mirrored the exact same timeline as this documentary. Watching this has brought back memories of my own history during the 70's in Newark, NJ. This is beautiful!! S/o to all the Founding Fathers!! Peace!!

[@sls554]

So are you saying that Hip Hop started in NJ, DC, and Philadelphia?

[@billsadler3]

It's all about boredom, innovation, available technology and the impetus to do something anyway. That doesn't just happen after a blackout one hot summer night in NYC. It's perennial to our species, this being a currently happening form. Enjoi mes amies!!

[@billsadler3]

I graduated HS in Montclair, NJ in 1979 and it was happening in the parks and school entrance stoops everywhere there was a Blaster and a cassette of endless 808 beats we know and love so very much, don't we?

[@sls554]

@@billsadler3 ok

[@sls554]

Gaineyjm 1979 ok, but Hip Hop started in 1960s, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973 and on 1979 Hip Hop how developed.

[@sls554]

Pigmeat Markham Hip Hop Here comes the judge. It starts off with the Breakbeats.

[@blackpalacemusic]

Maya Angelou's "Run Joe" is older

[@sls554]

@@blackpalacemusic there are some older than run Joe a lit more older than run joe.

[@blackpalacemusic]

@@sls554 What is older than run joe??

[@sls554]

@@blackpalacemusic The Jubalaires Noah 1940, Maya angelou run joe 1957

[@randee4550]

@@sls554 none of the backwater bullshit is Hip-Hop

[@JMSGIL418]

From1972-1974, there were 6 main DJ's in NYC..Grandmaster FLOWERS, Pete "DJ" Jones,The SMITH BROTHERS, Plummer, "MABOYA" and QJ everybody else came after them. 90% of ALL parties in the 5 boroughs had one of these guys. Promoters like M.Morton Hall, Harris and Lindsey, ELMO the magic Christain, Dow Twins,Winston Saunders and WIliiam Day, always booked these guys and if the couldn't get one of them, then they would go to the secondarys Might I add, each one of the Great "6" played Riis Beach. Hollywood, Herc or Flash and the rest of the bunch didn't have the qualifications for an invite to RIIS

[@RobertoGinsburg]

And so because they were Father Founders of Hip Hop?? Ha ha ha ha. Were was THE B-BOYS on Riis?, Were the GRAFFITI on Riis?, Were the MCing (not "spoken word on mic") on Riis?...Conclusion: Herc, Bam, DJ Hollywood, Flash and Theodore are the REAL Founding Fathers.

[@davidcummings5984]

I realise the prominence Brooklyn , and Queens contribution to Hip hop ......But the B.Boy style of cutting , scratching , breaking . Burners ,......71, 72 , thats something that came from Sound system, Culture . Super Disco King Mario, Chucky Chuck crew......The Brooklyn Djs didnt like no scratching, or breaking , plus they Brooklynites were into disco and the type of dances , hustle , bump.....

[@russelllarkin5665]

Graffiti and b-breaking were being created simultaneously. So was djing and knowledge

[@showmestatefinest5412]

​@@russelllarkin5665hip hop style graffiti comes from philly

[@williamdavis8855]

King Mario, DJ Kool Dee, DJ Smokey and the Smokertrons all DJing in SoundView BX in 1970-1972. however DJs were everywhere doing their thing! It's all FBA not PRs n Jamaicans

[@briandowling6663]

Hip Hop started in the Bronx

[@sterlingturner8672]

Hip Hop is black culture

[@gregtanian]

and Latino

[@googleaccount1276]

Hiphop is nyc culture. Country bumpkins talkin this fba nonsense . West indian and african american and latino Newyorkers created hiphop everyone else shut up.

[@googleaccount1276]

Most latinos are racist there was few down in bx but its black nyc culture black west indians and black americans new yorkers

[@gregtanian]

​@@googleaccount1276not in the Bronx. Every Puerto Rican were down. I think it's easy to say that in today's sad society amongst Mexicans etc but many Puerto Rican did not see skin pigmentation as they were oppressed also

[@gregtanian]

Sorry most. I dated nuff. Hence the shirt

[@clh2192]

Mobile DJs predate Herc. Flowers opened for James Brown in 1969. Herc's first party wasn't outside but essentially a house party in a rec room at 1520 Sedgwick. How is a house party Jamaican? Herc was influenced by Pete DJ Jones. And because cats in the BX couldn't afford the clubs in Manhattan they took it to the park. The first MC wasn't with Herc, but with Pete Jones. MC Hollywood who is from Harlem. Kurtis Blow's CD (The History of Rap Vol 1) he said his influence was Pete Jones. Am I lyin?

[@djhardcorproductions6132]

Yeah but Pete Dj Jones was a Disco DJ

[@clh2192]

@@djhardcorproductions6132 They played the same music. Smith Brothers, Herc, Flowers, Jones, Maboya, Plummer, Disco King Mario... Flowers was even a graf writer- Flowers Dice. These guys were in the parks, clubs, beaches, streets... before Herc got on. KC Prince of Soul, Hollywood... were MC'ing before Coke La Rock. It is what it is.

[@djhardcorproductions6132]

@@clh2192 I don't care bout Herc lol. Mario and Kool DJ Dee were before Herc so he ain't start nothing but the 'Merry Go Round' all night at parties. The main point that constitutes what is Hip Hop and what is Disco is who were the DJs playing the beats for and what songs dominated the dance floor. A Disco had people dressed up or even if they were un street clothes in the park they were doing the hustle and listening to songs all the way through. As opposed a hip hop party was for younger audiences who were gonna be break dancing. Hip Hop was started by gang culture. It's already been proven that the Disco DJs didn't like break dancing at their parties. The two genres are night and day bro. Even if the DJs played the same records they did not play them the same way. Hip hop DJs played break beat parts exclusively looping them while disco DJs played the songs all the way out and blended them. Listen this last point is a slam dunk and its undeniable ! Hip Hop started in the Bronx and their anthem was Apache while the Brooklyn anthem was ' Love is the Message' which is a hustle record not a break dance record. Flowers was totally a disco cat 💯% . He wasn't into the hip hop in the beginning days. Nor was Pete Jones or Hollywood. They jumped on board with Hip Hop later on when they saw what was happening.

[@clh2192]

@@djhardcorproductions6132 Hold up-lol. What year did the movement become known as "hip-hop".

[@djhardcorproductions6132]

@@clh2192 The term 'Hip Hop' specifically probably didn't come about and stick til 77' but the culture the name depicts started as we all know long before that.

[@C-Lyfe85]

Fab, 5, Freddy said it Best these Brooklyn DJ's influenced the people who created hip hop. Those "people" being from the Bronx. In other words, it started in the Bronx.

[@houseofjrk]

thanks i am a dj from chicago and this is definitely a history lesson for me and i have been spinning since 15yrs old

[@clh2192]

Jocko Henderson and Jack the Rapper were BIGTIME African American radio DJs who rapped, predated and most likely influence U-Roy (like the Impressions were huge influences on the Wailers). Then there was Frankie Crocker. No need to go back to Cab Calloway.

[@tadah21]

Scat pre-dates all of it

[@cimarronreed7556]

@@tadah21 so, in other words, August 11, 1973 is the birth of Hip-hop, which has no origins? Please... Everything has a root.

[@sls554]

Amen, Amen.

[@donimarshall3158]

Actor,,Singer,,Rapper Paul Robson Was America’s First Ever Rapper, Go Revisit His Off-Broadway Performances And You’ll Hear This Super Talented African/American,,,,Ps,, You All Thing Rapping Began In The 70’s, Rapping Been Around From The Early 20’s,,,,🏆🇺🇸🇯🇲 Mr. KeenObserVatioN 🇯🇲🇺🇸🏆

[@Pirate7X]

Props to Urban Wall Street for conducting an informative, respectful, and entertaining interview. Most folks I see here on YT barely know their subjects or are cutting them off in the convo, none of that here. Great editing, recording, material and enthusiasm for the material. Keep doing it how you do it!

[@clh2192]

@abxtale But Herc didn't scratch. So how can it start with Herc? Who was Kurtis Blow's inspiration? Pete DJ Jones. We've had this conversation before...lol. You have to define hip-hop? If it's scratching, then it starts with Theodore. But then it wouldn't start Herc.

[@sls554]

African Americans were playing Breakbeats in 1960s.

[@sls554]

African Americans were playing Breakbeats and extending the Breakbeats from 1960s, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974. And up to nowbefore herc. herc said he started Hip Hop in 1963 which is a lie.

[@sls554]

DJ Smokey said he was DJING IN 1969.

[@sls554]

DJ Smokey said herc and flash used to come to his Hop parties as B-boys. At that time herc nor flash were not DJS.

[@sls554]

The older African American's DJs, the so called Disco DJs Invented Hip Hop DJing skills ,DJING Techniques, and the sound systems. But is is a shame how some Hip Hop artist disrespect the older African American's DJs the so called Disco DJs. They say that they were just playing music that is a lie.

[@nexlevproductions]

Pure Greatness lets document the history gods!!!

[@IAMHIPHOP974]

Brooklyn was Disco not Hip Hop

[@str8alphamale]

We have to see Tariq Nasheed Documentary on Hip Hop.

[@blackpalacemusic]

Hope he mentions "Run Joe" by Maya Angelou

[@BarryTaylor-xk5vy]

When the torch was passed became a world wide party and movement socially, politically and economically Thank you New York for starting this beautiful gift that has changed fortunes of people of unfortune.

[@jerrygraves6531]

We never passed the torch hip hop still ours

[@RealDealy]

If you really want to get technical on who was rhyming the way rappers are rhyming today, Pigmeat Martin was the first. I really think people were trying to do what he was doing. Go listen to "Here come the judge" and "who got the number". You will be surprised how it could pass for a rap record, as we know it today.

[@dnifty1]

Sad to hear how black folks invented disco and invented much of the modern technique of DJing even the equipment to go along with it and are still now almost forgotten and not getting any real money. Same story over and over.

[@aaronvlee7]

dnifty1 welcome to reality of being black. One thing I will say is it’s not about us though when we do it truly. We do it for the world, not the profit which is why you don’t really see too many black people fighting for credit, hence the term “charge it to the game”. From black to anyone, love.

[@rickjason1786]

dnifty1. There's a whole lot making money off of this, how do you think Dr. Dre, Snoop, Jay Z, Kanye, Ice Cube etc. etc. make or made their money. Stop being sooooo negative.

[@sterlingturner8672]

Facts

[@Loveamericasave]

@@rickjason1786 at least they black

[@gregtanian]

Flash is not forgotten kmt

[@BarryTaylor-xk5vy]

The DJ was the party starter, promoter,historian,peace keeper, original needle mover and social media influencer of that How do I know I'm a DJ! Thanks for all that came before and after!

[@Rsh410]

Uptown Harlem & Bronx Had the style & swagger that was the blueprint for NYC. Their are a lot of unsung heroes as a whole in the early hip hop & Disco era, that were very good but did not get the exposure Brooklyn & Queens had fantastic sound systems. However they lacked the uptown swag. Their were some mobile DJ crews from Manhattan that had legit sound systems early on. But did not become mainstream, just played in the community.

[@cdshawn]

Ain't all this stuff Null & void because the Old Southern Man in the 30s or 40s moved from the south to Harlem rapping back then?

[@clh2192]

@abxtale Google "Coke La Rock vs Dj Hollywood(The First MC)" it's on the deep house page forum. Definitely some jewels on there. Hollywood was the first MC and without cats like Flowers, and Pete DJ Jones there would be no Herc. And Jones had an mc and was prolonging the "breaks" before Herc. Graf wasn't apart of "hip-hop" until Freddy and Bam made it so. But that's 10 years. Herc created the term B-Boy in that's about it.

[@sls554]

herc did not coined the term B-Boys.

[@REALISTATETV]

Nice Documentry !!!! THX A MILLION

[@kincamell2]

Heavy Gratitude

[@jerrygraves6531]

Foundational black Americans created hip hop by ourselves no help from Jamaicans carribeans or Latinos not even Puerto Ricans

[@skizzraw3034]

Thank you Hassan!!! Real rap.

[@donaldmccall3968]

Oh! Boy please y'all trying dignified Herc, Bamtaabaa, Disco King Mario, Flash and one only Grandwizard Thordore were doing, these guy never create beat cutting or scratching.

[@clh2192]

Have you even heard of Jocko or Jack the Rapper? These are brothers from the 50s. Check Frankie Crocker. $hit check James Brown. Brothers in NY weren't checkin' for URoy. Are you now saying that Saville created hip-hop now? That the Brits did it first? C'mon. The first MC was Hollywood! And he ran with Pete Jones. So how is Herc the creator of hip-hop?

[@donaldmccall3968]

Herc focus on the portion of the breaks and playing it back and fourth, that's was the dance to the beat.

[@donaldmccall3968]

In 1947 Jimmy Saville was the first dj that ever blended records players before hip hop excited.

[@skizzraw3034]

Yo, this is so cool. I never would have known about all the clubs though if it wasn’t for the m.c’s. I knew all the clubs because of the rappers

[@donaldmccall3968]

Who ever made this documentary don't realize that there were such thing call hip hop until the early 70, so why these molible djs from Brooklyn and Queens want to claim it. Yeah y'all might've have the stereo sound system and playing them but, they didn't socialize what the Bronx cats was doing not just bye cutting or scratching they expected the break beats going.

[@RealDealy]

BTW, if the people you named grew up in black neighborhoods in the U.S.A., why keep stating they're Jamaicans, like that is why they were greats instead of them being around some of the best to do it, and they were inspired to do it better. If them being Jamaican was the reason why they were so good, why were no other rappers coming DIRECTLY out of Jamaica and making rap songs BEFORE it was growing and being worldwide?.

[@donaldmccall3968]

When hip hop originated in the 70s , Rock n Roll invented in 40s and 50s by African Americans like Sister Rosetta Thrape, Billy Brentsen, Fat Domino, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Big Joe Tuner, Louis Jordan, and Big Moma Thornton, we were doing before they came over hear.

[@gregtanian]

They did, Lt Stichie would tongue twist Twista lol and was spitting faster back in the 80s.

[@RealDealy]

@@gregtanian But, Tongue twista wasn't the first fast rapper Jaz-O was doing it in the 1980's, and Kool Moe dee was doing his version of fast rap before all of them. Jaz-O just did it more crazy with his triplet flow And, Lt. Stitchie wasn't really rapping fast, he was doing that thing Das efx woud do to make it sound like they were rapping fast My question is why do y'all want to compete with us so much on our own land that we lived on for years? Why add to the problem knowing you will be the first to be dealt with cause you are new here?

[@dimdimbaby]

I'm so glad this came out. I'm a witness to many things these brothers are saying. But because I traveled from the Bronx to Brooklyn, Harlem, Jersey I know what came out of where. Truthfully, rap as we know it in this industry has its beginnings in Brooklyn.

[@sarinawatson3]

Great documentary

[@dremarwil6456]

Rap came out long before Brooklyn . Hip Hop came out in the Bronx. Big difference!

[@gordonmckenzie2920]

People were rapping in the 1920s. It was called Talking Blues. Check out Chris Bouchillion on a song called Talking Blues, dude is rhyming over an instrumental.

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

music is music

[@gearpunk9632]

Not much talk here about Disco King Mario. Others would say he was super relevant. What you guys think...?

[@jashoncreed1341]

regardless the movement that went down in the bronx is what made it what it is today. thats where it got popular at.

[@abxtale]

@clh2192 It started with Herc in terms of making it a culture. Dudes extendn breaks before Herc. However Herc inspired the B-boy to go down. The B-boy is where the Hip Hop attitude came from. From the arrogance, to the B-boy stance. No one was B-boyn before the BX! Nobody was Yes, Yes yalln b4 the BX! Nobody was cuttn and scratchn before the BX! Nobody made it fly to wear kicks to parties before the BX! The very phrase "Hip Hop" was coined in the Bronx. The elements were united in the BX1st!

[@russelllarkin5665]

You are not listening First, these things were happening before the Bronx Second, like the blues birth creation with before or simultaneous can happen Third, music sounds collapse into another sound

[@sls554]

herc did not influence B-Boys to go to the floor.

[@gregtanian]

yep, they was battle raps going on via vinyl breaks (dubs) circa mid-60s Jamaica, Kingston. @@russelllarkin5665

[@peterjlay1234]

Awesome!

[@dimdimbaby]

That's because from 65 - 73 everybody was going to Brooklyn. Everybody! And this is how the art got everywhere else.

[@IAMHIPHOP974]

The Disco dj’s of the 70’s is what the title should have been

[@samball2031]

They really need to bring back real party and music when black Americans used to jam in the park man it was unity and fun so what they need to do is bring out the real talent which is DJing

[@Mr.Taylor56]

You can't do that like back in the day. The way that originally functioned was in-house security(Black Spades and later the Casanovas): The Black Spades literally fought in the streets to secure the "elbow room" for young Black teens(Disco King Mario and his friends) to play music outside while still living in an area(Soundview/Bronx River/Castle Hill) filled with hostile anti-Black Whites and Hispanics(adults, gangs and cops). THAT is what is missing from these stories about Brooklyn, Queens and Herc. THAT is why the music selection is different from them because the people's culture, reasons and energy is different. Flash describes his contribution and being the originator of xyz, as others claim to be, so he says "How? Explain the science of..." and they can't, only Flash could. These others simply state they were Hip Hop before actual Hip Hop but have no science behind their stories and claims. These guys were Discoteque/Club DJs for adults. No breakbeats, they simply just played songs(maybe the whole song or large parts of it with vocals) that became used for their energetic breaks in Hip Hop music.

[@samball2031]

I used to go to the gyms in Brooklyn and they played freedom on them giant speakers

[@clh2192]

And what's the concept? Mobile DJs predate Herc- Flowers and Pete DJ Jones were bigger than Herc ever was. The first MC was Hollywood. So what is this concept that Herc created? When I was coming up no one called it Hip Hop. That's something Bam made it up- and he bound together MC'in, DJ'in and Graf. So if anybody's the father it's him. Because he gave it a name. But this was in the 80s. Fact check me.

[@blackpalacemusic]

The first diss records were recorded by Wilmoth Houdini vs Lord Invader

[@samball2031]

Back in the days they had DJs like kid flash Sonny Sheba what they did was real talent real music

[@vancozzin8998]

There is a Facebook page called Hip Hop History with some very interesting info.

[@urbanwallstreet]

Unfortunately, this documentary is not public yet.

[@sirrobotoftheinternet4078]

Why and will it ever be public ??

[@skillet6870]

American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos and puerto ricans. Make it make sense Latinos.

[@williamdavis8855]

Thank you Mr Hall 7:17 yea sir there was no Disco music until 1974 Gloria Gaynor and Donna Summer in 1975.. ✌🏾

[@avatar-wc6jd]

Can't wait for FBAs🏹✊🏾 HIPHOP DOCUMENTARY..Tariq did say when he released the trailor Every man n their dog are going to come out with different versions of HIPHOP and WaLAH‼️ they're coming outa dark alleys and crawling out from under rocks 🤣🤣🤣

[@mdhbh]

where can I see the documentary? A movie needs to be done in 2024.

[@datruthbetold2172]

Good Documentary, but someone needs to define the first form of Hip Hop music to you dudes making this claim. While checking out this video, not one time I heard Hip Hop music playing in the background. It was all disco music playing. You do know the difference between disco and the first form of hip hop music. If not let me explain. The first form of hip hop music was a mixture of breakbeats from all genres of music. Back in the days DJ's from all over played music in the parks, but just because you played music in the park doesn't mean you were a hip hop DJ. A true Hip Hop DJ didn't play the whole record, he played just the break in the song, (the drumbeat or a funky bass line) This is how Hip Hop Music was created. The first DJ to do so was Bambaataa. He would have 2 of the same records and play the break and mix the record to extend the break. This was something totally new from what other street DJs were doing at the time. Other DJs played the music the same way you heard it on the radio. It wasn't until Bambaataa battle the Disco Twins out in Queens when he introduce Queens and the Disco Twins to this new style of playing music. After he rocked the Disco Twins with the breakbeats, The Disco Twins picked up on the new style and during the 2nd battle the Disco Twins was ready and pulled out there own breakbeats. They still got rocked by Bambaataa because he was known as the Master Of Records, playing breakbeats they never heard before. Now before you can state such a claim, define what hip hop music was in its earliest form. The Breakbeats. Who was the first to start spinning breakbeats. That's your birth of Hip Hop. DJ Flowers, Disco Twins yall held it down in Queens but yall was not the the first to introduce the world to the breakbeats and that style of DJing. PEACE

[@ghetuyi]

This is a lie. Pigmeat Markham already had a Hip Hop song in 1968. This was on Billboard for 8 weeks and made the top 20.

[@ghetuyi]

***** It doesn't matter if he created a term. You can't take something that already exist and rename then claim you created it. That's vulturing. And blues musicians did this years ago. It wasn't a new creation.

[@ghetuyi]

***** And Pigmeat was before Gil Scott. lol

[@ghetuyi]

***** He was not just a comedian. He was a singer, actor, dancer, comedian and rapper. Pigmeat was also a blue musician. Stop trying to dismiss the truth. How can Coke La Rock be the first rapper when Pigmeat already had rap songs before Coke De La Rock. Pigmeat Markham's Here Comes The Judge was on Billboard charts in 1968.

[@dremarwil6456]

Hip Hop started in The Bronx. Plain n simple. These cats need to stop.

[@ray1love1]

I agree they really trying to dissolve flash and them

[@RobertoGinsburg]

Yes: Brooklyn only start THE MOBILE "DISCO" MOVEMENT with Flowers, Nu-Sounds,etc. GRANDMASTER FLASH "He was Looping the FUNKY BREAKS played with Kool Herc, mixing at the Pete Jones style".

[@ilovebeyonce6986]

Roberto Ginsburg Cats in Brooklyn mixed and isolated the break portions of songs long before the Bronx Deejays. Hip-hop started in Brooklyn and was commercialized in the Bronx.

[@RobertoGinsburg]

I. Love Beyonce But "Apache" break? or "Give It Up or turnit loose"? or "God made me funky" break? NO , Bk was only PHILLY SOUL/ DISCO records. And THE B-BOYS and GRAFFITI..Brooklyn dont have at the early 70s.

[@ilovebeyonce6986]

Roberto Ginsburg I'm only speaking of the music.

[@bxdale83]

So because they predated the Bronx deejays by playing outside jams they were the founders of Hip Hop??

[@RobertoGinsburg]

JA JA Really DON´T: Hip Hop is long Rhytmic rhymin routines (Rappin or MCing), is repeat and scratch BREAK PARTS of the records, mainly RAW FUNK records instead 4/4 DISCO records, and Hip Hop is B-BOYS (BREAKDANCERS).

[@Mikegee63]

Good point!

[@Lovafunk69]

Does anybody out there in HIPHOP land know if this Hiphopumentary will be released on DVD soon?

[@kincamell]

Heavy

[@muzik.9748]

there is a difference between Deejaying and Hip Hop culture. #TheTruthMovement™

[@carltonbanks5470]

But we're not talking about any type of deejaying. This is about a particular type of deejaying that led to hip hop deejaying. Otherwise hip hop would never exist.

[@richdome1]

TRUTH grew up in Bklyn Rocking Rapping the ladies it was lifestyle 60' and 70's

[@RobertoGinsburg]

KC THE PRINCE OF SOUL WAS NOT A PROPERLY "RAPPER": HE WAS A "ANNOUNCER". ONLY "DJ HOLLYWOOD" REALLY WAS MAKE "RAP".

[@coolflex1]

It's about time that people did their homework and research and brought the facts to life!! I've always felt that Queens and Brooklyn had one up on the other boroughs when it came to the hip hop, best rappers, etc. It all makes sense now!! Coming up, I learned about hip-hop living in Queens and grew up listening to DJ crews like Cipher Of Sounds, Infinity Machine, Lyvio G & Sound Experience and etc!! Props to this documentary!!

[@donaldmccall3968]

Yo! Dude you did do ur research on djs cause you talked bout Flowers and Jones were blended records in the late 60s, nah in 1947 Jimmy Saville was the first dj that blended records on two turntable.

[@coolflex1]

@@donaldmccall3968 Nah, can't put that in the same situation. Most dj's on the radio stations were blending in that fashion. If anything, the only radio personality that I give credit to in that fashion would be Frankie Crocker. Even the legends respect him in that sense.

[@donaldmccall3968]

@@coolflex1 ask ur self this who was the first African American dj

[@JuniorJunior-wx8wm]

Ok heres the bomb people were rocking and freestyling in brooklyn ok no disrespect to the bronx pursuer of the pimp moble shaft in africa scorpio ect hip ho p was labeled ok take away the visual aspect and everyone is equal and rocking and freestyling were done do urhomework on this ind dancers dean street brooklyn. Jnr dancers manny fucking more I did not have to go to the Bx for inspiration. Music anything and fuck the label hip hop burnone says alot peace

[@abxtale]

These guys are the precursor to Hip Hop. The Jock from NU Sounds pointed out that scratchin records was an accident which would clear the dance floor. Disco Twins said they got their system from Richard Long(RIP), the man who did the Garage sound system( a club music spot). The birth of hip hop culture begins with Herc, the B-boys and THEN the MCs in the Bronx! Herc, Flash, Bam and Theodore should be there to give their input.

[@sls554]

Not true

[@anythinggoesvideospart-2242]

This is like TARIQ NASHEED's - (mic check)

[@WOUNDSOFPASSION]

Tariq got a habit if recreating and or adding to the work of others, updating some parts and presenting it as his own.

[@alexeykh]

3:51 Where the heck is the Brownx?

[@houseofjrk]

how can i purchase the documentary?

[@craigtheflux]

ayo, where can the public see this joint?

[@Loy365]

good upload. Anyone who thinks their into hip hop and doesn't know about the history you need to check this

[@dynamicunclegreene]

It started in rhode island smh.

[@keithbazemore2182]

No disrespect to herc..he's from way back,,but there's only footage of him driving around with speakers, why stop filming when he reaches the destination..also when flash was killing turn tables and this is 75 through 80,,where was herc playing. I'm just asking..

[@JUSLOFI]

There's a digital collection of old school Hip Hop flyers on Cornell University website. If you search for in "Kool Herc", you'll find that he was still active working at the T Connection and the Esctasy Garage to name a few. Flash blew up and was working in the City at this point.

[@kwekuoboasi9352]

9:27-10:38 “Is Brooklyn In Da House” Never knew that’s where N.W.A got Is Compton In Da House from. Not only N.W.A.

[@kwekuoboasi9352]

This Is Compton “CMW” 1988

[@n.currie3439]

Nice piece on DJs but this is not about Hip Hop. They were playing black dance music not break beats. Props are definitively due. But Lets not confuse the too.

[@gregtanian]

Very interesting, its good to hear about the unsung heroes. Big up. Also big up the Jamaican don Kool Herc for the concept of hip hop, no doubt

[@shamika5300]

gregtanian lies

[@Loveamericasave]

People all ways trying to claim everything good

[@russelllarkin5665]

Lol you obviously did not hear the founders in this video

[@loopygod1357]

Culture

[@bryantmungo3123]

Nobody said "DJ'ing started in the BRONX, ........... HIPHOP culture started in the BRONX .............

[@Mr127Patrick]

No you have rap artist like Busta Rhymes saying Hip Hop was created and influenced from Jamaica which is so false. Because Kool Herc is from Jamaica they think Jamaicans created Hip hop

[@abxtale]

@clh2192 I debated this very same issue with my man Mike Barnes (the one who started that blog on DHP). I'm also a member. When you get a chance, google "Founding Fathers(Legendary Dj's from Brooklyn and Queens during the 60's/70's)." It will lead you to the same website. Go to the 3rd page of that blog and you will see me debating with Mike B. I'm "robdoe".

[@clh2192]

You forgot Posdanus... Ok, but Rakim, LL, Mel, Kane, Moe Dee, Jay-Z, Kool G Rap, ShaRock, Kool Keith, Prodigy, RUNDMC, 50 Cent, Lord Finesse...etc. aren't. Respect your nat'l pride, but in today's world, for Black people that's not a good look. Bam called it hip-hop. Herc was the first cat to do it in the BX. But remember there were three other boros where what came to be known as hip hop was jumpin' off and this was before Herc. The Father is Pete DJ Jones. For real check his story.

[@donaldmccall3968]

Come on jamming in the park doesn't make you hip hop, yall might've have the stereo sound and with good equity sounds, I just heard disco music in the back. Let explain what Herc did created the break with heavily drum beats and hard core funk records on two turntable and keep it playing all day.

[@clh2192]

@@donaldmccall3968 But a record collection does-lol. Flowers, Jones... all did that and what records did Herc play that they didn't? Also, the first MC was Hollywood. So what is this thing Herc created?

[@donaldmccall3968]

@@clh2192 Herc was the isolated instrumental portion of which emphasized the drum beat know as the break beats, and switch one break to another on two turntable. He used two copies of the same record elongate the break with hard core funk drum.

[@clh2192]

@@donaldmccall3968 Other DJs did that before him. Again, so hip hop is not the MC, not the dance, not graffiti, not DJing... which is Bam's definition and all came before Herc. Remember it was Bam that called it "hip-hop". So instead, you are saying, hip hop is James Brown. That can't be-lol

[@donaldmccall3968]

@@clh2192 No way Bam said that Herc inspired him to become dj, when he first played the break beats he learned from him, Cowboy give it name known as Hip Hop.

[@franklynbramwell2593]

What was going on before Herc was not hip hop or hip hop culture.. At no time what was going on before Herc was called hip hop or had anything to do with hip hop and life choice changes in New York it was just regular social behavior of black youths living in an environment and what was trending at the time... It was after the implementation and fundamentals of several activities brought to the forefront by Herc that the word even came about....you cant take something of the past and just stitch into something of the future and say this is were it all started...It a lot of thing and what was before hip hop might have played a role as a part of developing the genre but its impossible to say Herc did not play the major and most important part of developing the genre.. Herc used bits from what he know about the sound system in Jamaica he used the funk beats from the USA and developed the this art form which then became what is known as Hip hop and a culture developed behind it to compliment the art.. everything else is total rubbish and there is no way of going around it...

[@franklynbramwell2593]

i am Jamaican 58 born June 1964 Kingston Jamaica. but let me educate you on something you have no idea about and want to make an input into it without research and knowledge.... This song that you are about to listen to was done in Jamaica Joe Gibbs recording studio 5 Retirement road Kingston 5 in July of 1979 the engineer was Errol Thompson.. i was in studio that day at the age of 15 years old... here is the song...kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3nTnXutYq56btU.. This would be the first rap song ever done by and human being male or female and it was done in Jamaica... Rappers delight by the sugar hill gang i don't know when it was recorded but it was released in September of 1979 one week before Xanadu and sweet lady rappers delight was released... why Joe Gibbs held back the release of the song so long i have no idea. Engineer and Joe Gibbs are not with us anymore may their soul rest in peace...everybody can talk all the chit they want but these are raw facts and i witness to it all...now this is were the debate can start... who and where exactly was the first rap song was done ever...If sugar hill gang song was recorded before July of 1979 then they were first but if its after July 1979 then Xanadu and sweet lady was the first artist to rap song ever on vinyl make careful note of it. There is the proof look at the label. and start your own research when you are finish get back to me.. By the way this other song which became the side B was done in April of 1979 on a reggae beat before voicing on a disco funk beat the genre was then called Reggae disco and quickly change to hip hop genre name of song it was called Rockers Choice kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKOtoapvfdiSeq8

[@jerrygraves6531]

Jamaicans are pathetic Foundational Black Americans created hip hop

[@SmokeNoMore]

$umbody inbox Name of theTrck playing as the credits roll -- thx Fam!

[@abxtale]

Spy, The Nucca Twins, and Crazy legs would strongly disagree. Original B-boy moves were different in style. They were not as acrobatic as moves in Capoeria. B-boys concentrated more on finesse and fancy footwork. Windmills, headspins & other acrobatical moves came later in the 80s. In the past you had Capoeria &Lindy Hoppn. But B-boyn is a style in itself which reflected the music, dresscode & the obscure scene now know as Hip Hop. Back then we never seen or heard of Capoeria. BX was the 1st!

[@williamdavis8855]

That's during the Black Spades era 1967-73

[@davidcummings5984]

It seems Brooklyn n Queens are back n forth with the Bronxs .Firstly although it's a purely Black American creation .It came from Soundsystems in Brooklyn and Queens .West Indians Donny Dance , King Charles Sound , also Dj Flowers and Pere Jones there was no Sound systems in the 60s It was buy West Indians migrants . They Contributed to Brooklyn Disco Soundsystem Culture the Dance labels , and Soundsystem Djs .

[@SmokeNoMore]

Look like Hip-Hop got anutha 1!!!

[@gilsantos7701]

Gil 180 BX this untold story document is garbage really garbage for someone to listen to these fools It’s all in the Bronx💯the Bronx in Bronxdale projects DJ phase is the man 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🇵🇷

[@gregtanian]

omg,, NO ONE / ABSOLUTELY NO ONE has the pedigree or title of sound system during the 60's but the Jamaicans. Learn your history bro. The word DUB / Sound system is a Jamaican term. Kool Herc took the term sound system to the Bronx. He did not bring, 2 inch speakers. In Jamaica they call rap TOASTING, its in a different dialect and tongue and has its own identity, Jeez, I have not diminished anything USA, here, half my family live there. But Jamaica has a lot to do with the origins. Just sayin

[@shamika5300]

gregtanian the word dub is American term

[@therighthand3818]

Herc came to the U.S. at 12 years old and knew nothing about DJing. So that made up story focusing on herc, who learned everything from AMERICAN mobile DJs of New York, going to American parties that were already a Hip hop scene before it had a name, as a teen and hanging only with American friends. He was just the new best Dj on the scene, with new beats, he DID NOT create it.

[@blessedandhighlyflavored5381]

This is an 11yr old LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@gregtanian]

Get the flying ??? Out of here Where did dub music originate? Dub is a dance music genre that evolved from the backing tracks of Jamaican reggae. In some circles, it is called “dub reggae” and considered a formal subgenre of reggae music. The style is named for the dubplates used in the manufacture of vinyl records.11 Jun 2021 @@shamika5300

[@gregtanian]

@@shamika5300 so what you are now trying to say is you were doing instrumentals for emcees long before Motown????? Mate you did not even have good sound quality even with stereo. I think you need to study some music history lessons pal

[@leonardelliott6684]

Lie about you started in 1957..

[@ghetuyi]

NO ONE / ABSOLUTELY NO ONE has the pedigree or title of sound system during the 60's but the Jamaicans. Learn your history bro. The word DUB / Sound system is a Jamaican term. Kool Herc took the term sound system to the Bronx. He did not bring, 2 inch speakers. In Jamaica they call rap TOASTING, its in a different dialect and tongue and has its own identity, Jeez, I have not diminished anything USA, here, half my family live there. But Jamaica has a lot to do with the origins. Just sayin You need to stop lying! The word DUB is not a Jamaican word that word comes from America and has to do with sound recording that's why DUB appears on records you didn't invent that word! Herc did not bring sound systems to the Bronx there were other DJs in the Bronx way before Kool Herc. Rap does not come from Jamaican toasting! Rap goes back to southern musicians and it was originally called Rhyme talk or Rhythm talk not fucking toasting! And U-Roy who you call the father of Dance Hall got it from American radio Djs like Jocko. So Stop lying!

[@duronbryant9463]

MisterZoe your wrong you need to check your factss

[@shamika5300]

duron bryant he has n he is right

[@williamdavis8855]

Nobody outside Jamaica cared in the 1960s n 1970s especially in America and in FBA communities!! You'll have fun convincing your Ska Pioneers about that!!

[@donimarshall3158]

So All Ah You Are Totally Wrong On Rapping Likewise The Moon Dancing Been Around Since The Early 20’s, Rapping Was Only Revived By The Present Generations In The 70’s To 80’s Movement, Rapping Isn’t New To European/Americans Whom Got All The Incredible Varieties Of Entertainment Coming From The Africans Captured In America And Forced To Entertain Their Master’s Wishes And His Companions, No Music Now Any Forms Of Entertainment Be It Singing, Dancing, Acting, Comedy Coming From The African Communities In America Is New, It’s Only Regeneration, Because The Greater Part Of Our Most Talented Weren’t Heard Only 🏰🇺🇸A Chosen Few🇺🇸🏰 While We See And Hear One, There’s A Thousand That’s Equally Good Enough That Weren’t Heard, As I Say Only The Ones Who Are Not Lazy To Revisit History, Will Always Be In The Dark And Be Amazed At Things That Seems New But Was Only Regurgitative,,,,🏆🇺🇸🇯🇲 Mr. KeenObserVatioN 🇯🇲🇺🇸🏆

[@gregtanian]

you almost sold it until you mention 50 friggin Cent.!!!! He is no MC. He sells records, you better off stating Eminem, however no contest for Slick Rick. A Jamaican black british. just saying

[@therighthand3818]

Slick came here as a kid who was Americanized, and Learned, and performed American music.......he did NOT perform Jamaican or British music

[@langston122]

No Eminem.

[@gregtanian]

Jeez you still dont get it. The concept!!!!!! The concept!!!!! if you want take away from Herc by naming these other cats then your on your own boss. All I know is none of those so called mc's were rhyming like U-roy to influence hip hop in such a way that Kool Herc did his parties. And if you want to take it even further. Jimmy Saville in the UK was using the first turntable, when does your philosphy stop!!!!

[@donaldmccall3968]

You us absolutely right they said Jonse and Flowers were the first that blended records before Herc, in 1947 Jimmy Saville was the first dj that blended records player in UK.

[@gregtanian]

I know 1 thing, brothers in NY were checking for Kool Herc and he was Jamaican lol could go right back and talk about evolution, but Kool Herc brought the concept together he has the title Godfather. Arguably James Brown with the samples but he is already the Godfather of Soul. If you did not know Saville was the first man to utilise 2 decks together! Its funny though all the greatest MC's seem to have Jamaican ancestry. Biggie, Krs, Chubb Rock, Salt n Pepa, Busta..

[@thelastdon9000]

Yea all had black American influence so stop that homie

[@gregtanian]

@@thelastdon9000 dub and the rocking the mic freestyle on vinyl came from fking Jamaica. Busta will tell you that. I suggest you learn the word dub and toasting before we continue

[@doyen86]

@@gregtanian I suggest u look into where "toasting" came from. U guys so desperately want some notoriety you're willing to steal other people's culture. It's pathetic.

[@carltonbanks5470]

​@gregtanian CAP. Black americans been freestyling and "rapping" since the 1920s. All the Jamaicans you name were cosplaying and copying what they saw African Americans already doing. Black americans been "toasting" long before anybody in jamaica. As far as the best old school MCs Rakim, 2pac, Big Daddy Kane, Cool G Rap, Just Ice, MC Lyte ain't got shit to do with Jamaica.

[@gregtanian]

​@@carltonbanks5470😅😅😅so since when was you using sound systems and clashing with rappers lol. Nope the art of spitting off vinyl breaks came straight out of Jamaica. With bravado and not one of those rappers could battle krs Biggie heavy d. Gtfoh. Yes jive talking is American but you ain't battling. You was just glorified folk poetry like in medieval times. So stop that nonsense. The art of spitting and battle rapping came from Jamaica

[@gregtanian]

if we going to go waaay back its going to Jamaica, man like U-Roy was the first rapper or toaster pon vinyl 1961. remember dat NY.... However you can argue Cab Calloway but its not as close to what U-Roy was dealing with hence the concept of the dj!!!

[@gregtanian]

yes but nobody took that influence to the fucking South Bronx and called it hip hop. that goes to the Jamaican Kool DJ Herc!!!!! Using a Jamaican style sound system I may add, as Americans new NOTHING about the idealistic of sound system.