Four points about the Nord Stream destruction (February 2024)

Jan Oberg presents the main points that indicate the huge importance of this modern history's largest infrastructure destruction and its possible consequences for Europe's future.

[@doubleddoroga1324]

We all know who did it.

[@John_Pace]

It is elementary, my dear Dr Watson.

[@robincook5999]

NATO dose not make Europe safer. The conflict in Ukraine was deliberately Orchestrated by US and Germany using Public funds that's a fact. The Conflict has effected everybody in Europe obviously Ukraine and Russia. I don't feel any safer . People happily talking about Nuclear weapons have no idea, the long term damage from depleted Uranium weapons and leaking Nuclear power station is enough to frighten anybody. The Blowing up of North Stream was a Terrorist attack against European infrastructure, same as kirsch Bridge. There was a south Stream which would have brought Russian gas across the Black Sea to South Europe the EU stopped it because Russia owned the Gas and Infrastructure. Now it's Turk Stream. In most of Europe Gas is life or Death in the winter. Get NATO US out of Europe.

[@tzarputin2285]

it simple the US and UK done it. there done.

[@andrewpienaar4522]

The fact that the US and European countries are blocking the repair of the Pipeline, should tell you most of what you needed to know.

[@dr-rexmangrca113]

Davos wef is one leader

[@CobinRain]

No…the European countries are not blocking it of their free will. Of course not. They must do as they are told. The US has a record of simply over throwing governments that do not do as they are told. Remember that there is already an American “garrison” in most European countries. Remember that there is also a covert presence even in the countries that still think of themselves as “allies”

[@peetsnort]

Yes I.said that years ago.pipes are easily fixed.

[@PNNYRFACE]

Then go fix it smarty pants

[@reasontruthandlogic]

@@CobinRain Such as the CIA run cold-war remnant 'Gladio' network in Italy, which Italian authorities have shown to have performed many 'terrorist' attacks in Italy, probably including the bombing of Bologna station, in which 85 civilians were killed in 1980.

[@samsungtap4183]

Amazing how Sweden gave away its sovereignty so easily. As a Vietnam i can tell you how proud we are of our independent status a truely free and independent country that answers to no one...at peace. Please keep away.

[@AndersHellquist]

The people were never asked about it. Everything was done by the selected ones.

[@jarnoronkainen75]

@@AndersHellquist indeed like Finland no voting were needed for joining Nato ... it was decided on higher step :d many things are just decided to happen so...

[@chrissmith7669]

When did Sweden give away sovereignty?

[@diggyd]

Such monumental cowardice.

[@markbryant4641]

Absolutely. To say Germany has been humiliated is a monumental understatement. Shultz is absolutely pathetic.

[@pertpesc7058]

Welllcoome to Sweden as a US vassal state

[@OleDiaBole]

What disgust me is the passion with wich servants do the-servitude. Some of them to multiple masters thru history, notably Croats, Albanians, Ukrainians.

[@heimomoilanen9654]

Regards from another weasel state

[@grisflyt]

That's the really strange part. Vassal states don't want to be vassal states. E.g. Yemen. But virtually all the EU nations want to be America's bitch. We all understand why the US defends Israel no matter what. Israel's and indispensable extention of the American Empire. As well as its attack dog. The US cannot bomb Iran, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon. Israel can. These forever wars in the ME are hardly in Europe's interest (aside for Britain and France). Yet Europe has waged an economic war on itself for two decades just to please Washington. America's cause is Europe's cause even when it's not. It's embarrassing being a European.

[@OleDiaBole]

@@heimomoilanen9654 hahaha.. Regards

[@jarnoronkainen75]

like any1 had any word to say about it... they decided that finland and sweden joins nato and that's it... no need to ask anything from citizens no voting needed

[@JamesBond-uz2dm]

The United States blew up the NordStream pipeline. Cheers from the US.

[@cango5679]

yes, everybody knows that, of course

[@dcazal011]

Cheers for doing something terrible and saying it was not me.

[@jarnoronkainen75]

lol cheers xD stupid leaders do stupid things :p ppl all around the world are pretty much same... basic needs... nothing to do with any wars or sabotages ^_^

[@cybercamp2900]

@decaza but hey did not say it That’s why we all know It like a 6yr old SMFH🤬

[@davidwestwater2219]

​@dcazal011 your welcome 😊

[@petercollingwood4108]

US did it. Period 🇷🇺

[@Aengrod]

Uk did it

[@jacekboczarski6698]

Yes , and this was very good move- fuck Putin and z-orcs!@

[@reasontruthandlogic]

@@Aengrod More likely to be Denmark, which has rights over that area of the sea. However, whichever country did it would have been acting under orders from the USA.

[@jakerivets2249]

@@reasontruthandlogic The West did it. Quit splitting hairs

[@AIainMConnachie]

Welcome to Nato Sweden. Welcome to purgatorial subservience & irrelevance.

[@dado-7775]

Europe has been occupied by the US. It is crucial for Europe, in order to survive, to be liberated from that imperialist empire.

[@dr-rexmangrca113]

Time cast off the master of forever wars

[@allthecoolnamesaretaken10]

If the non western countries are better if Europe doesn't survive, then ok, Europeans are doing everything to fulfil that

[@davidorourke5795]

On the other hand could Europe stand alone against the everincreasjingly hostile other superpowers?

[@dado-7775]

@@davidorourke5795 What super powers and what hostilities? You mean Russia, or China? Or someone else perhaps? The only hostile entity towards Europe are United States. They blew up nordstream and have deprived us of cheap energy. DO YOU REALLY THINK a regular European bloke will ignore it, or will forget it? Russia has made nordstream deal to trade with Europe, not to conquer it.

[@cybercamp2900]

So encouraged by the awareness🙏🏻

[@itlearner1175]

Would Sweden still claim it's not their economic zone if a Russian or Chinese naval boat showed up in the same area?

[@mumu8727]

@itlearner1175 it is United states who decides that.

[@gregeberhardt1711]

Two letters….. US And they are above the law apparently.

[@reasontruthandlogic]

Until they lose global military and economic hegemony, at which point they will also lose the ability to print money and pay off their atronomical debt.

[@uweneuhaus315]

When will the USA be sanctioned economically and culturally?

[@debse.7286]

Sanctioning is illegal.

[@cango5679]

They are digging their own economical graves, no need for tit for tat

[@benoitguillou3146]

When the most popular "culture" they'll show off on KZbin will be Trans gang rappers wearing skirts and twerking without briefs ....They're pretty close I'd say , this is when they're debt will climax and the only way to get enough exposure ( literally ) and make enough money from clicks by desensitized phentanyl users , to eat in their devilish money driven degenerate system , will be to show off the TRASHIEST most moronic things conceivable .....

[@reasontruthandlogic]

@@debse.7286 Tell that to China.

[@ZaccheusMbeh]

I love the fact that there are a few people that think critically, Respect 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@spaced4448]

@ZaccheusMbeh yes and we are few, unfortunately.

[@Jack2200]

Thank you, Mr Oberg, for this courageous statement of fact. Even though the fact is obvious, your courage to express it publicly is a rarity in today's dimming western world.

[@stefanod.l.7565]

Well, clearly not everyone agrees that the sooner we find out who did it, the better it would be for the world. It would pretty embarrassing. Not for the US, who simply don't care. But for Europe who would have to explain her Stockholm's syndrome and her position of subordination towards the US...

[@grisflyt]

That's why "we" don't want to find out. The Europeans would not be able to deal with it. "We don't want to criticize Washington, but also have to." Remember when the US were caught tapping Merkel's phone? The European leaders were having a nervous breakdown. Because on the one hand they had to criticize Washington. On the other, they didn't want to out of fear of ruining their relationship with Washington. This is absolutely insane. It shows how the US has Europe completely cucked. (I don't like to use that word, but there's no more accurate word in this case.) Europe is like a battered wife who won't press charges against her husband, because she loves him so much and is afraid he will leave her if she does.

[@mahbrum]

@@grisflyt Thank you for your comments because you worded them wonderfully and accurately. 👍

[@grisflyt]

@@mahbrum Not my most articulate post. But yes, I'm pretty sure the last sentence is accurate. This was in the American news. This concerned Merkel. I also read similar things about Nord Stream. That the EU leader want it to go away. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you will encounter such (self-)critical articles in Europe. I don't think Europeans want to see themselves as, well, cucks or weaklings or cowards. That very human. We are very good at rationalizing why we did something no matter how stupid. From Wikipedia: Rationalization is a defense mechanism (ego defense) in which apparent logical reasons are given to justify behavior that is motivated by unconscious instinctual impulses.[1] It is an attempt to find reasons for behaviors, especially one's own.[2] Rationalizations are used to defend against feelings of guilt, maintain self-respect, and protect oneself from criticism.

[@Snownam227]

a gigantic lawsuit from europeans against the USA

[@jacuzzihot]

This was an act of war. Covert. The fact that the US pointed to Russia who obviously would not do it, it could still be Ukraine nut unlikely or it could be Israel doing the work for benefits from the US. With so many US military bases around, it would be rather easy to do.

[@JanDahl]

Can a vassal sue its owner?

[@alexandervantricht2189]

Not only US , but also Nato and EU ,controlling Europe for the US .

[@stevosd60]

Is this another example of American Exceptioalism 🤔

[@robvannNS]

Keeping it ambiguous with the US the likely culprit also sends a message to Americas vassal states to comply with what the empire demands.

[@peterelliott2914]

International rules (sic) based order in action. What a cartoon show.

[@amazoniaamazonia7225]

Error of judgment for Sweden to want to join the US controlled NATO, they were better of being independent.

[@Xaq_udirir]

Finland too

[@inotmark]

Well said and succinct.

[@Dlweta57]

We all know it was eco terrorist go Brandon go that destroyed the pipeline

[@mladenmatosevic4591]

From start it was clear Russia will not drstroy own bery expensive equipment, which left NATO as only one with capability to do it. Simple...

[@TimMountjoy-zy2fd]

Russia's so called expensive equipment is actually worthless (zero gas going down it) so makes ZERO difference whether its destroyed or not. What matters is whether the destruction can be a gain for Russia politically ? Think about that more. Also Putin is spending billions on Ukraine so politics trumps economics here. Not saying Russia did it but thinking economics counts here is flawed.

[@stevenginn5352]

@@TimMountjoy-zy2fd Utter verbal dysentery!!

[@GBTate1]

Good Lord!!

[@terencewise7349]

From Terence Wise in UK...........Why all the pussyfooting about Nordstream?. The then UK prime minister telephoned Anthony Blinken ONE MINUTE after it was blown up saying ITS DONE!.

[@picandvideo]

western freedom and democracy is very perplexed.

[@detlefarndt9351]

Sweden want´s to follow the fate of NATO and the EU. Good luck.

[@wfp9378]

This is a complete disgrace.

[@JohnC-nl5xs]

Your telling us what we all know!

[@moonraker978]

The main thing is that it is kaputt. Someone has made a terrible miscalculation.

[@heimomoilanen9654]

Us did it know it instantly, Potato Joe and Penguin Woman raved about it

[@KitJBenn]

Be sure folks!! Someone will let the cat out of the bag!! And it's going to need it's nine lives?

[@mokolbokeoko5026]

Europe is sick. #IREXIT

[@williamc9578]

I have heard views that the destruction of Nordstream was a carefully calculated strategic move by the US, for 2 specific reasons. 1. To decouple energy dependence of Europe from Russia. 2. The discovery of a major Gas field in the Mediterrenean off the coast of Gaza, meant the ability to replace Russian gas with Israeli gas (which is one reason why the removal of Palestinians from Gaza is such a determined goal of the Israelis and the US). This means that Europe will, instead of dependence on RUssian gas, now be dependent on Israeli (US-owned) gas. This makes Europe completely subservient to US interests for a generation. So Nordstream had to be destroyed, and may not be heavily related to the Ukraine war at all.

[@Meld61]

Had anyone with close contacts with Bellendsky and Ukraine been responsible for Nordstream it would have been all over social media and Tictok .

[@danutahanyga4834]

Instead, there was a photo of the explosion with a "Thank you US" tweet from Polish minister Sikorski posted within the first hours of the explosion. It was taken down later from Twitter but managed to make the rounds in various media

[@markbryant4641]

Ha! Yeah, well unless they've changed their version of events again they (Ukraine) threw Zaluzhnyi under the bus. They said he organised it but Zelenskyy had no idea. With friends like that, who needs enemas?

[@Meld61]

@@danutahanyga4834 Yes thanks for mentioning that .I knew something like had happened .They think we don't know but are desperate to control the narrative by controlling Social media . Once it's out it's out 👍

[@klimatbluffen]

The first suspicion naturally falls on those who said they would stop the Russian gas deliveries.

[@svenhinrichsen458]

I can help you out. It was the USA and the O. Scholz held the Light 💡

[@LONGINUSPILEUS]

"Deceiving yourself" has reached monstrous, suicidal proportions.

[@lowcc7602]

why german can tolerate this humuliation

[@cango5679]

When you've been under the US foot for so long, you just take it and smile.

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

Kink.

[@brismith2728]

Thank you for this information

[@pierrefraisse8610]

Should we say Sweden or the Sucker?

[@Treasure_hunter_21]

Is there a difference 🤔?

[@punitapillai5091]

We all knew this right from the beginning!!! The US warmonger "feared" EU competition as it was getting closer to Russia We could have finally established Gorbaciov's dream of Europe when he dissolved the Soviet Union wirh the Treaty of Minsk . Europe that extended from Rotterdam to Vladivostok!

[@gooseypig84]

I wonder if plans have been drawn up for payback at some point in the future.

[@Dlweta57]

You can count on it

[@markbryant4641]

From Russia? When Europe wants to re-establish business relations with Russia, Russia will be very welcoming. But first they'll ask for their 300 billion plus all accrued interest and damages for Nord Stream. And that's the minimum.

[@letsfixit1594]

The desperation of a failing empire.

[@freeforester1717]

The USP of NATO is meant to be that when one member state is attacked, the other members are meant to come to its aid against the aggressor - unless of course the aggressor is the main member of NATO. So much for unity of purpose and common defence of interests - those interests can now only really be described as those of the United States. Were it the case that Russia was indeed the aggressor of the incident, we can be fairly certain that NATO would have acted against Russia.

[@gregorycooper1335]

It is a severe dereliction of duty by the media to not seek the truth in this matter.

[@richysuphiy]

Bravo!! Finally someone with the balls to tell the truth!!👍👍

[@drankaserbia2011]

I do respect your presentation. However, we both lose a time regarding this subject. No low, no true, no future. Only political games.

[@KarlHonore]

Thanks !

[@user-np1ri5ei2p]

I concur. Thank you.

[@etienneprinsloo6799]

Sweden showing its overcooked spaghetti backbone once again.

[@reasontruthandlogic]

The USA got to dominate control of NATO shortly after its inception, instead of remaining faithful to its original stated purpose of being a mutually defensive alliance - but this is the first I have heard that becoming a member of NATO today involves signing over to the USA the right to come into your own country and set up a considerable number of US army bases, inside of which would be US territory. Why not Swedish or perhaps UK bases in Sweden? I doubt that Sweden got to have a few of its own new bases in the USA in return, in which it bites of a few square miles of the USA. In the UK US bases were mainly for listening stations (which is now done by satellites) and stations for US nuclear missiles pointed at Russia, over which the US had complete control. Such bases have the advantages of being both closer to Russia and further from the US if they are nuked. Given what some generals in the UK and US authorities said just before NATO hostile Jeremy Corbyn was almost elected as UK PM in 2017, it seems likely that another role for these US bases would be to enforce 'regime change' if any election result went 'the wrong way'.

[@user-sx4nr1gu2w]

Ask yourself a question: who benefits the most? America has now replaced Russia the main source of energy to Germany.

[@kubhlaikhan2015]

Preventing Russia taking its place among the other European nations was the specific reason and central policy for NATO's formation. Bombing the pipeline fits exactly in that historical context. Europe united with Russia would be a world power instead of a backwater under the thumb of the United States.

[@mrpie501]

Have the Swedish people been asked if they want to be members of this kabal? I doubt it.

[@AndersHellquist]

No, they have not been asked.

[@wm3138]

Really? You don’t know? Well, let’s put on our thinking caps and take a guess. Who would benefit from this crime? Who has the technology to achieve this crime? There’s only one country/government that you can say has both motive and ability.

[@jesperkthomsen]

👏👏👏

[@user-gc7gj7wg8o]

Bitte um deutsche Übersetzung für Alle!!! 😊 Danke!!!!

[@davidorourke5795]

Makes sense!

[@lorenam8028]

Empire did it.

[@zeketorres9257]

AMERICA, AMERICANS!! What would Italians, Germans and Britons think if the French would claim "We are the only Europeans"? I don't understand why Unitedstadians think they are the only Americans??? America is a CONTINENT with 35 sovereign countries and over one billion people. Unitedstadians do not speak for the interests of all Americans! Haiti was already a state 100 years before the first USA city, Jamestown was founded! Haiti, Cuba, Argentina, Mexico, etc. are all American countries.... And have been American for over a hundred years more than the Unitedstadians! So this means that any Mexican is as American as any Argentinian. and vice versa! What shall we call the people of United States? ... call us what we are, UnitedStadians! If you are from outside the USA, don't participate in this name ignorance.... USA is part of America, it is not AMERICA!

[@fellowcitizen]

So Sweden has no Separation of Powers? How can the political class preclude investigation?

[@eurostockoption]

tldr: "Thank you, USA."

[@jarnoronkainen75]

why media is acting like it is hmm since very beginning of year 2020... it's like someone turned a switch that no more Investigative journalism... what happened to saying 'Good journalism starts with curiosity'... is it BAD thing now?

[@derektomlinson6514]

The die has been cast & I imagine Russia knows who is responsible. I imagine any future discussion or hypotheses is irrelevant.

[@lawrencenoctor2703]

Heel heel, theres a good boy.

[@cybercamp2900]

The silence is echoing.. Surprisingly the tellers of all STORIES… Are short on explanations… QUI BONO????

[@akap_987]

Truly lacking principles and courage.

[@bobmason1361]

The Salesmen are good, youve got to give them that. Dumb move though.

[@mustamuri]

✨🙏✨ 🇫🇮

[@pedrocampos2965]

Sweden wellcome to the club !

[@AA-69]

In Scotland we thought the Swedes has Common sense ?... Apparently NOT 🤪..They would have been smarter joining Russia 😏

[@robmcilwaine4276]

Everyone knows who did it. America in cahoots with Ukraine!

[@37Dionysos]

Cui Bono? DUH.

[@karlgreene2177]

I was hoping Russia would return the favour!

[@thehungergames8918]

🍔🍟

[@martinbeckmann9376]

Typical stab in the back by the usual suspects.

[@PetalPunkFairy]

Kennedy for President 2024☮️❤️🕊🇺🇲

[@walterjohnson6357]

Neither Russia nor America have Sweden interest at heart as a government. What made Sweden not neutral? Answer: Ukraine.

[@Xaq_udirir]

Wrong

[@PlanetWalking-qd8gv]

Point 1 is a full of hypocracy

[@rickkinsman7400]

Volume is too low - couldn't hear it.

[@maheshwarasriram]

Sir , respectfully it is not .

[@damienflinter4585]

Cui bono? The U$ua£ tar-sands fracKKK€r$.

[@dr-rexmangrca113]

And export gas... Plus now they want export gas and oils from Gaza

[@damienflinter4585]

@@dr-rexmangrca113 British Gas are swiping the Leviathan gas field offshore of Gaza. Well, after all, I$ra€£ is a British imperial p£antation to secure the region's oil as Churchill was converting ye o£de wave-ruling navy from coal to oil.

[@mochiebellina8190]

Are you not possessing your full faculties? everyone knows the crew of the SS Minnow did it. You are welcome.

[@mog9447]

respect

[@prostytroll]

In the final scene of Roy Andersson's You, the Living, the sky is filled with a squadron of B52 bombers flying over a large Swedish city. Most likely the airplanes are spreading democracy...