Fourth of July parade shooter makes 1st court appearance l GMA

[@parth8145]

he threatened his family and than his dad helped him get a gun license. what a lunatic

[@SundayBlues555]

They probably never thought their son was going to do such a thing. Sometimes people just talk, I guess? I can only imagine what his poor parents are going through.

[@user-Ghost404]

Soy and liberalism does that to a person I suppose. Some say this kid had noteethfa tattoos

[@hippiebits2071]

@@SundayBlues555 The fact they had police involved twice doesnt suggest they thought he was necessarily all talk.

[@nancyshell2855]

I wonder was he gay, transgendered as well as having mentally health issue but could not express himself in this way and went to the world of fantasy to live out these roles. He seemed quite aware of how to wear make up and women's clothing. There was more going on in this home than people are willing to talk about. I wonder was he sexually abused.?

[@user-Ghost404]

@@hippiebits2071 obviously you aren’t aware of the neighborhood crack head Eddie then… He has police talk to him at least 3 times a day.

[@dannij7081]

Father knew that his son had violent tendencies, and was aware that his son made threats to harm himself and others. However, he chose to look the other way and co-sign for him to obtain weapons. Now blood is on his hands. Very tragic. RIP to the victims, safe recovery to those injured. Condolences to their loved ones.

[@DiannaaSalazarr]

And the dad said he has no regrets. Truly a terrible parent imo, like to say he has “no regrets” after his son did this.

[@Toni-iw2ql]

That's sad,RIP to all the fallen angels. But I wanna say something, many kids or young adults make threats and behave like rebels and later they cool down and its over. Parents most of the time dont take such behaviours seriously and almost never will report to the police unless it gets outta hand. So I can understand the dad, he probably thought it were just empty words like a dog that barks all the time but never bites. If he knew what his minster son had planned he would have stopped him and had him arrested like any normal person. Its so sad what's happening in USA with all the shootings, I really dont understand how can someone easily procure weapons, in USA everyone is armed and have guns which they can buy legally, here in Europe u can't buy a gun/pistol but in USA they all carry heavy weapons like AK 47, M15, heckler and koch etc. I will never understand the US laws, people can buy heavy duty weapons, they can drive when 15, go to fight wars when 18 but if they want to buy a pack of cigarettes or beer they need an ID and be 21 years old at least,very funny laws you got.

[@VT-ri6po]

Dad will have bad karma.

[@dannij7081]

@@VT-ri6po people don’t understand that unfortunately until it’s too late. And that’s a tragedy with itself.

[@xx_Joker_xx]

This highlights one of the biggest issues in our country. Parents don't know what they should know about their kids and/or overlooking and dismissing things that are known about. Every parent says "my kid would never do that"... because that's what they want to think. Parents want to believe that because they have good morals and judgement, that their kids do as well. It's a fatal assumption. It's not the reality. #HoldParentsAccountable

[@AO-MH]

Overwhelmed with tears. Those parents died protecting their child. That poor baby. 😢

[@lucasrem]

A0 Who are you, you own weapons, tell your mumie? A0 has weapons, mad!!!! Who knows what their kids are doing? KZbin = Freaks only! Why you creeps keep crying?

[@HashknightGaming]

The 8 year old in critical condition probably won't walk again if they survive this madness must end .

[@laurabenavides5444]

Every time I think or hear about this little boy losing both parents, I get a knot in my throat and try very hard not to cry. This is horrible. How can someone have the heart to do such thing 😢.

[@gildardomagallon]

Well the child survived. Hope he has family members to be with. Grandparents in this case

[@setsom2857]

This is what stays on my mind. That 2 year will be impacted by this greatly.

[@babyyoda5447]

Holding parents accountable needs to happen to more. More often than not, the signs are there and parents ignore it because "not my child, i never could have known" and yet, the signs were there.

[@xx_Joker_xx]

This highlights one of the biggest issues in our country. Parents don't know what they should know about their kids and/or overlooking and dismissing things that are known about. Every parent says "my kid would never do that"... because that's what they want to think. Parents want to believe that because they have good morals and judgement, that their kids do as well. It's a fatal assumption. It's not the reality. #HoldParentsAccountable

[@gildardomagallon]

This guy lived alone and is an adult

[@xx_Joker_xx]

@@gildardomagallon I think the difference is going to be how the state law reads. It's not the same in every state. Was the "kid" under the age of 18 when dad signed for him? I haven't heard exactly how long ago that it was that dad signed consent. Legally, over the age of 18 is considered an adult, right. So why is it possible for dad to sign a consent if he was 21 when he purchased the guns? That sounds like a legal mess to me.

[@ayuanabradford3206]

Wtf why do I have to be accountable for another human being

[@ronnysimon30]

If only liberals would allow parenting instead of forcing the school system to raise them

[@cpmow831]

I’m calling BULLSHIT on the father’s statement. He was aware of at least SOME of those situations for sure…so he never should have sponsored a FOID card application

[@awakenow4048]

agreed.....the apple may not have fallen far from that tree.

[@cpmow831]

@@awakenow4048 I mean, he had 22 police contacts…22. Even if he only knew of 5..that is still a lot.

[@maryp1300]

I agree, and i don't know about other families but if a minor in my family had ANY police contact, even if i'm not living with them, I would WANT to know and find out. Either he's a terribly negligent parent or a criminally negligent parent who's trying to escape legal culpability in this mass shooting. He's even hired a lawyer for himself and left his son to have a public defender. He knows he's in hot water.

[@mdm5382]

@@cpmow831 Crazy how after all that, it won't show on a background check.

[@cpmow831]

@@mdm5382 in IL it shows if you have been committed against your will

[@barbiedahl]

How could the father not know that his own son was planning to kill him and the rest of the family? How did he not know about the 16 or 19 knives and swords? It sounds like willful ignorance. Ignorance is no excuse.

[@nobodyspecial4702]

Sure, and you're going to sit there and tell everyone you never held anything back from your parents, never lied to them, always admitted everything you did?

[@hippiebits2071]

@@nobodyspecial4702 It's being reported that the father was the one who reclaimed all the knives and stuff from the police claiming they were HIS. There is no question he was aware of at least that situation.

[@zacharyspencer8321]

@@nobodyspecial4702 The parents KNEW he was a loose cannon. He was a problem as far back as middle school, when they yanked him out of public schools and homeschooled him instead. Nice job, parents.

[@bluesky7288]

He wasnt living in the home. Estranged from wife*

[@zacharyspencer8321]

@@bluesky7288 So? Daddy signed for the gun. Daddy also collected all the knives confiscated after he threatened the lives of his family.

[@beeinthebodytorahclass2002]

Poor little child is now left without his parents to face this sick and evil world! How tragic! May God be with everyone who is suffering from this horrible tragedy.

[@clarkabeast8136]

I know I will change it

[@someone9457]

@@clarkabeast8136 thank you my lord

[@clarkabeast8136]

No seriously I will make Earth peaceful again

[@someone9457]

@@clarkabeast8136 oh I believe you stranger you'll be in my thoughts and prayers to carry on

[@clarkabeast8136]

Yes I will built an army of robots then take over the world there will be no more death but slavery

[@ctech14367]

The father had to know his son was messed up after a suicide attempt and the threat to kill his family. He should be held accountable for his part in this.

[@snsn7251]

He knew very well. In this day and age with guns menacing the country there is no way he dodnt know. If the police refuse to string him up with the son, the victims families need to sue the father. Just outrageous

[@wendylederer367]

I was watching the family’s attorney defend them and it made me sick. He had a lame answer for everything. According to him their a loving happy family. They had no idea that their son was planning this…right! Threatening to kill the whole family is not a warning. They have blood on their hands and they need to be held accountable for helping this to happen.

[@markpalavosvrahotes5575]

Maybe sue the dad but he actually committed no crime.

[@cansarinducin5338]

He should have never signed the papers or at least taken the guns from him

[@cocoaorange1]

I know right?!

[@princessmeis]

He was aware of his history. He just decided to ignore the red flags. I find the father is responsible for these deaths also. Maybe not legally but definitely morally

[@luvnlight9000]

Yes legally responsible!

[@calebhakains5866]

@@luvnlight9000 no

[@johndan1760]

he not responsible for anything

[@OfficialKoharu]

Morally yes.. But his son is an adult, he will pay the price legally. But the people saying lock up the parents is the same sick mentality the shooter has. His parents are prob nut jobs but they didn't commit the crime...

[@OfficialKoharu]

@@luvnlight9000 How? His son committed the crime. To say lock up the parents undermines the problem the son caused!!!! Parents didn't commit no crime, not their responsibility. At 22 YOU ARE A GROWN ASS ADULT, STOP TRYING TO SHIFT BLAME. The weirdo did the crime and will serve rest of his life for it. Counter intuitive and low IQ to waste more tax money putting his sicko parents behind bars. Are they nut jobs ABSOLUTELY. But people saying "lock up the parents" are people who when they get in trouble they expect others to go down with them and you have that mentality. No one else's fault besides his and his alone. Stop trying to have him share blame.... Weirdo

[@susanlee8609]

Heartbreaking that little boy thought his parents were still alive

[@lisadiconti]

Poor little boy. :(

[@katwithagat]

I don't think he did. In another video with the father and son who saved Aiden said he kept saying "Mom shot Dad shot" -- I think he understood they weren't okay

[@Tyler.254]

If your heart was broken, you would be dead

[@dianaolex4270]

He can’t think other way around yet luckily

[@fynkozari9271]

I thought 18 year olds carry ar15, but this guy is 21? I used to be scared of 18.

[@ruthmelicharles5062]

"I love my son..." Loving your son isn't a factor here when your son with YOUR HELP got 4 guns, to murder innocent people. Some parents should be charged for their role in incidents like this. RIP to the 7 who perished and condolences to their families.

[@LeadMe2TheBliss]

Until the parents are oppressed black folks...

[@camilleramores9998]

Yeah and the adult who commuted the crime deserves the death penalty

[@na6977]

they are all delusional in that family, all on drugs of any sort for sure

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

I really hope someone gets him in prison, and he suffers immeasurable pain.

[@Alex-tr1dy]

Looking the way he does he probably will

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

@CreativePerson, why WOULDN'T I? Why would you need to ask???

[@Alex-tr1dy]

@CreativePerson then what are you?

[@SL-ji7he]

@CreativePerson everytime i hear someone say they’re a decent person, that usually isn’t true

[@theyrealltaken3]

Every God forsaken day I hope that entitled little bish begs for a death that never comes, just more suffering and humiliation. That goes for father too. The audacity, ignorance and lack of foresight is inexcusable. This insanity HAS to stop and the current laws are not cut out for this level of pure evil. Lil bish tried to get away by dressing up! Thought he could carry on with its life! NO! It's time to make examples of these disgusting monsters. They are not human. Publicly boil them alive like medieval times. Drawn and quartered. Braided and wheeled. Those are deterrents.

[@ellew4573]

Congratulations dad, for helping to send your son away for the rest of his life. 🏆

[@cecegiles4583]

This proves alot of us weren't meant to be Born....yes he was a mistake at birth

[@gracey_bun]

He helped his son to buy firearms.

[@cowboyx9380]

@@gracey_bun true, but lets be real, the monster would have just waited til he was 21 and buy the guns anyways! I want to know who tf paid for the guns?

[@smilesandyoka]

And for killing and injuring masses of people…you and your son and your wife should share the same prison cell

[@LateBloomerMedia]

@@cowboyx9380 shoulda, coulda, woulda. Who knows maybe the dad saved lives by helping cause had he not, maybe this lost soul would have taken out even more people. Or it could have totally been the opposite and never even happened had the dad not helped him obtain the gun.. it's really a Butterfly effect almost kinda. And something we will never know no matter how much speculating we do. So what's the point?

[@gnlilu6972]

I'm outraged! He has no regret! I hope he gets all the weight of the law.

[@user-Ghost404]

That’s a new way to word it.. definitely burry this kid and get him to confess who motivated him. One can speculate when people post f the 4th on social media

[@hippiebits2071]

Honestly I would rather see no regret rather than fake regret due to the realization he destroyed his own life. Him showing no regret whatsoever just shows what a deeply disturbed individual is now off the streets. It's just a shame that it took a MAJOR tragedy for that to happen. Jmho

[@roadkillavenger1325]

@@user-Ghost404 mass shooters motivate mass shooters motivate mass shooters motivate mass shooters motivate mass shooters... With the help of every media outlet out there.

[@defas3450]

All other countries take immediate actions after events like this, only US government does nothing, this is so sad. the 2nd amendment is just so stupid, or it just that the interpretation as basic human right is so stupid, no country has laws like this.

[@user-Ghost404]

@@roadkillavenger1325 I know the one was being fluffed by the feds. Idk makes a person wanna go under cover on their own. But worried that if it is like that. Then you’re on your own and pretty much self incriminated yourself

[@evolutionx777]

When his son threatened to kill his family and take his own life, the father retrieved the knives after police had confiscated them, claiming they all belonged to him. So he was fully aware of his son's issues. He chose to bury his head in the sand & furthered his role as an enabler by sponsoring the FOID card. Hold him accountable.

[@sali1023]

hold who ever accountable but this will continue . US is getting karma , hw mahy counteries will yall destory before war reaches home ????? US and yall desrve all of this , i love KARMA!!!!

[@evolutionx777]

@@sali1023 It's one thing to feel that way about a government, but wishing for this sort of thing to happen to civilians in any country is a shame. I pray you'll find wisdom in your soul to distinguish between the two.

[@sali1023]

@@evolutionx777 im sorry werent they amercian citizens fighting in afghanistan . iraq , syria? israel? murdering and destroying lives . its funny how you talk about love and wisdom meanwhile you yourself lack these things the most

[@juandoe4934]

So the dad is saying “they do background checks” Shouldn’t he be the ULTIMATE background check?

[@texasdee4900]

Parents are accountable

[@kathygonzalez1413]

Thats right

[@jooson2826]

He is an adult

[@evatripp7788]

& so are the police the local police sent a message to put the shooter on the red flag list but the state police didn't follow through. Also even though they didn't arrest him did any law enforcement check his social media to see if he was making other threats to anyone or obsessing about violence. What is the sense of having red flag laws if LAW ENFORCEMENT is going to be either too lazy or too obtuse to enforce the law. They ALL need to be held ACCOUNTABLE until they LEARN to do their jobs to PROTECT & SERVE!!! Parents too!!!

[@na6977]

and the mom says he "borrowed" her car after the shooting to g to Wisconsin where you was going to shoot up another crowd...no, he didn't borrow it... she is a nut

[@SASEdm]

The parenting here is absolutely non-sensical. I know the father technically is innocent, but he should definitely be held accountable for allowing this to happen. I literally have no words. I'm just glad the suspect is in custody at the very least

[@xx_Joker_xx]

This highlights one of the biggest issues in our country. Parents don't know what they should know about their kids and/or overlooking and dismissing things that are known about. Every parent says "my kid would never do that"... because that's what they want to think. Parents want to believe that because they have good morals and judgement, that their kids do as well. It's a fatal assumption. It's not the reality. #HoldParentsAccountable

[@maximumoverload5134]

The father is " not technically innocent " go back and listen again ! He is technically liable for his son actions , by him signing that consent . He should be held responsible just as his son ! His mother also needs to be held responsible and all should be charge accordingly ! People you don't go out and buy guns to your children just to be in good grace with them , especially after being threatened by them just months prior ! Stupid parents , stipend kids , The nut don't fall far from the trees, when the tree is also rotten from within !

[@missdaydreamss]

@@maximumoverload5134 no he shouldn't

[@xx_Joker_xx]

@@maximumoverload5134 I think the difference is going to be what age the kid was when his father signed that agreement compared to the kid now being 21 years old when he committed the act... legally an adult. I, personally, do not know the gun laws in Illinois. I didn't know a parent could sign consent for an under aged child to purchase a gun that it would otherwise be illegal for him to purchase in any state. But I haven't heard how long ago dad signed that consent. That can be a determining factor.

[@pixel1419]

You're wrong! The father IS partially responsible. Your way of thinking is what's wrong.

[@h3llnite]

The moment a person threatens to kill someone and the parents know, they most definitely need to take action. Whether is contacting a medical professional or police, something has to be done

[@ryanciani3324]

its the parents fault for sure

[@Demonicintrovert666]

truth i brandished a knife towards my mother, i would never hurt her and had a breakdown in november and was hospiatlized. i remember at a young age i would chase other people around with knives. i had a lot going on and i snapped, losing my best friend in 2020 being bullied etc etc.

[@h3llnite]

@@Demonicintrovert666 relieved to hear you are coping better now. And I’m so sorry about you losing your friend 😢

[@Demonicintrovert666]

@@h3llnite thank you im on ketamine and it hekps

[@Demonicintrovert666]

@@h3llnite it does get very lonely for me tbh but its a part of growing up

[@Candycanecoup]

The parents don’t even sound like they really care. They don’t apologetic or remorseful.

[@Justaskme781]

As he was aware of his son's capabilities and unstable mind and allowed him in fact helped him to buy a gun then yes he is culpable

[@aaliyahblanco2793]

Because some parents are not parents they just want to be their kids "best friends" and always have their minds set when their kids make "mistakes" that "oh, they're just kids" let them be.

[@lucasrem]

It's not just you, you are all freaks! 80% of the nation has guns and is mad! KZbin is freaks only!

[@na6977]

and he didn't use it on him or himself go figure

[@Dpixtion]

They say you cannot judge a book by its cover. Howerver, looking at this things mug shot I think the cover on this one says it all.

[@michaelhill7878]

I am 66 years old, yes you can judge a book by it's cover.

[@user-Ghost404]

@@michaelhill7878 Amen. That’s how you find a book that won’t put you to sleep

[@maricruzgarcia7346]

He looks like a freak , like he's possessed , very scary looking 21 year old.

[@zaiken639]

That goes for most of these mass murderers there always something that's creepy about them

[@lambdalambdalambda257]

Omg. He lied to his parents and said he didn't have plans for the 4th of July?! The audacity. This dad needs to be charged. He's responsible as well.

[@stephaniepapaleo9001]

My heart breaks for those victims. That poor sweet baby and both his parents are gone. The other injured victims have their lives changed for good as well, It could be anyone of us. To look at the parade aftermath just makes me tear up.

[@tellmemore8837]

American government has done this many times abroad.

[@jerryjimenez7664]

His father speaks like if his son just stole a peanut butter jar out of Walmart

[@subtitlesonplease]

His family knew he was a danger to himself and them. His dad didn’t have to worry about the consequences of his son having a firearm because they didn’t live together. Maybe the distance made him feel safe; so he helped him. He enabled him. An anti-social, suicidal /homicidal man with a gun! What did he think would happen exactly? What a stupidly careless things to do. Heartbroken for the victims and their loved ones whose lives have been ruined because of this man.

[@wilhelmheitz622]

enabling is a word you use when you wanna shift blame...dont do that..its 100% this kids fault.

[@UFOpilot.]

you've described somebody who's mental. fbi don't think he is LOL !. PEACE.

[@pooperscooper8791]

The problem is he killed people it isn’t the dads fault idiot

[@fourohsevenfishing]

@@_Meng_Lan his kid would have fucked up with or without him

[@cowboyx9380]

@@wilhelmheitz622 Aint no “kid” hes 21 not 12!

[@benparks3564]

Why in the world did his father bought him a weapon when he knew his son was unstable and threatened to kill them in the past? Ridiculous!

[@reneet583]

He bought & signed for his son to get weapons because he didn't want to deal with UPSETTING his physo son🙄

[@TastemyAtrocity]

The amount of stupidity and willful negligence here. How did the father, licenser, gun salesperson, and everyone involved NOT raise an eyebrow when a 90lb kid with face tattoos walks away with 2 assault weapons? Like obviously he wasn’t training for the marines or a hunting trip in the Himalayas.

[@tinacathey8241]

You don't buy a gun for someone who attempted suicide. That is common sense. Dad needs to be responsibile and so does the gun shops who allowed this to happen.

[@wallacehughes4643]

I'm amazed by the degree of mental illness in America

[@chi6801]

@Teutonic Nordwind exactly lmao we just don't let them have firearms

[@Niaaal]

@Teutonic Nordwind The difference is that in other developed countries, mental illness is being treated and mental institutions properly funded. Unlike in the US where conservatives decided to defund everything and if there are any issues, just to sweep them under the rug

[@A.C.71]

Yeah it goes as far up as the presidency. The left enables mental illness for their gain..they support all the insane people just to get their vote.

[@RPG-oh1yf]

@@chi6801 You don't have open borders either. People who think gun bans would work in USA are simply ignorant.

[@lindaschultz8124]

Covid isolation fostered or exaggerated his mental illness.

[@californiagirl1579]

This father need too be held accountable PERIOD! I send my deepest condolences to all the families this breaks my heart 😢💔😔

[@na6977]

should be that the mom is held responsible for that monster she raised to be that way and overlooked all the craziness and probably instigated most

[@justsaying2333]

How the hell this guy managed to get the money for all the guns he bought as well as ammo and mags. Such a tragic event and my heart goes out to the families especially the little boy left orphaned because of this guy.

[@na6977]

um, they say he is a fan of harris obama biden .. maybe he is blm - summer of love crowd

[@langlyboops3591]

I understand having a parents signature if the kid wants a job or go to a doctors appointment but a GUN? REALLY? It should just be a straight up NO and whatever parent that saids their kid "HAS" to have a gun should be investigated cause what kind of moron would give a child a gun and expect nothing bad to happen? Common sense is so rare these days...

[@lisadiconti]

I agree. Why does this boy need a gun?

[@basicstickfigure1087]

Technically he wasnt a kid.

[@Free2B3]

I just want to know how in h&ll was he even able to convince his father? Like what reason he used? Disturbing Either ways!

[@charlescostello6727]

Langley Boops your definitely the moron.

[@cpmow831]

@@basicstickfigure1087 if you are under 18 and need “permission” then you are a kid

[@avalonjustin]

Wow that Crimo is a waste of skin if there ever was one.

[@anthonycampos8057]

He looks like a transwoman.

[@cecegiles4583]

Which proves some people are accident at birth

[@zaiken639]

@@cecegiles4583 they spawned by the devil himself

[@maureenbarragan2065]

Parents are too!

[@ThaddMitchell2112]

As a parent how do you not know what's going on with your child? Unless you're a poor excuse for a father.. and a poor excuse as a human being. He knew about his son's past. It would be nearly impossible not to know. He should be held accountable.

[@wendylederer367]

It’s bewildering to me that his father bought him guns knowing full well that he was mentally disturbed. He bought his son the guns right after her threatened to kill the whole family. He stands by that decision yet in the same breath he blames the judicial system for allowing his son to have access to guns. That makes no sense! This kid gave clear warnings about what he was going to do and those warnings were ignored. Anyone that knew about that and didn’t report it has blood on their hands. We all have a responsibility to say something when we see these red flags.There needs to be laws in place that prevent people like this from carrying out threats. If someone had stepped in and locked this kid up and got him help then this could have been prevented.

[@wombtang20]

Amen

[@annem7806]

Knives were taken after the murder threat. THEN, after claimed they were his, (fathers) knifes. No F-ing way he did not know about his sons issues. Parents see children's mental health issues as a reflection upon themselves, so DENY EVERYTHING ‼️‼️‼️

[@virginiabalch6274]

Not all of us. While I come from a huge hunting area and don't have an issue with that , there is no w ay I'd buy a gun for said child nor do I keep one in my house

[@breezeh1127]

I had no idea my husband would try and take his own life. Sometimes we do not see the flags for suicide. Sorry, we can't all be psychologist as we, ourselves, are doing our best trying to survive. The threatening to kill his family, that is a different story. That isn't a flag..that is a full on active problem. That should have been taken seriously. .

[@lindabradford9591]

@@breezeh1127 sorry to hear about your loss. You are absolutely correct.

[@virginiabalch6274]

@@breezeh1127 so sorry for your loss. And I do agree they can hide it well. Have had 2 very close friends who did and the one was a complete shock

[@annem7806]

@@breezeh1127 yes, some can hide their pain from all 💔, but others do cry for help & cannot keep it to themselves. Many heard this guy, but no one listened.

[@carlettesouthern-robert2992]

His family had their head in the sand; and, he had very serious issues. Red Flag after Red Flag was ignored, this is a tragedy for all involved. The Father and Mother were so distracted they let him run amouk!

[@Tekillyah]

Ammouk!

[@1babbka]

They didn’t have their heads in the sand they just didn’t wanna be bothered and that’s sad and I think they should go to jail to

[@daviddillardjohnson1095]

@@1babbka Yeah they either never listened to any of his music or just didn’t give af

[@xmen9916]

Charge the dad too! He needs to be held accountable for his poor judgment and horrible parenting.

[@Aluvsm]

1:35 she is just standing there with the person sitting on the chair while everyone around them is running away. 😞 devastating

[@rosemarycardenas2756]

If I would have a nutcase of a son like that, I would not even trust him handling a toy gun. The father should be arrested and prosecuted with all the extend of the law!! My heart goes out to every victim of this horrific tragedy

[@lucasrem]

What did your mum say when they got you? KZbin = Freaks only!

[@elainewalls1965]

​@@lucasrem Yet here you are!

[@donsummers5678]

the father and the mother too!!!!

[@iPeeOnBabies]

"So I asked my son, HEY BOBBY, you got any PLANS for the 4th?!?" "NO DAD I DON'T!" "Okay, have a good day!" What a fucking idiot of a father. I hope to God he ignores his lawyer and says this on the stand

[@serfillustrated4018]

That was the mother that asked him that. But women never get held accountable.

[@fukkitful]

Yes an idiot. Like his son would really tell him his true intentions.

[@Slippery413]

What's wrong with asking if he has any plans for the 4th?

[@iPeeOnBabies]

@@Slippery413 oh hey my suicidal son, any plans today? nope? okay enjoy! This is after weapons were removed from the house by police after a family member reported the threats against their lives. Andrew, are you pretending to be this stupid? Or did you rob the gene bank on the way to make this dumb ass comment?

[@iPeeOnBabies]

@@serfillustrated4018 nice, sneaking a woman hating comment in there. Not to mention that the father signed off on the shooter's gun license :)

[@m_lomby1972]

The father is liable. There is no question about it. The prior suicide attempt and threats of mass killings was a massive red flag the parents needed to address. The father ran for Mayoral position and was rejected, there is something really fishy. After all that getting the youngster a firearms license. Its a tragedy!!! My prayers and deepest condolences go out to all families involved.

[@rebeccamartinez7053]

Absent father, prior threats and that crazy look. Illinois has Red Flag laws on the books but overwhelming privacy laws don't help. Could the gun store clerk flag the gun application for a face to face interview and not get sued. Clearly from his appearance he is not well. Very sad, very tragic but we can't blame guns....

[@alycat9186]

I’m sorry. The father needs to be held accountable. “Not knowing” is not an excuse. As a parent, you need to read the signs. That kid looks depressed, angry, has tattoos on his face, was probably withdrawn from his family, little to no friends, etc etc. And then did he even talk to the mother about the fact that he was going to sign the form??? The mother, I would hope, would have disclosed the prior acts that happened about the attempted suicide and threatening to kill the family. And if he did talk to the mom, and she didn’t disclose that information, she should be held accountable as well. The father is COMPLETELY DENSE to not realize it is A TERRIBLE IDEA to sponsor your child for a deadly weapon and you don’t even live with the child or know what’s going on in their personal life. Might has well have signed that for a stranger!

[@anastasiabeaverhausen8220]

Father was just acting out on his magat beliefs. Hell, he's probably full paranoid Q for all we know. They look like a father/son duo (ironically, there were a lot of mother/son incel/enabler duos at 1/6 riot) who would have stormed the Capital with weapons drawn. The kid was obviously depressed and angry and impotent (without a gun) and acted out accordingly. It was a flaming red flag anyone could have seen.

[@Ang3lBag3l]

You said this perfectly !

[@jamessmith8049]

Nope! whoever granted the right, the government body is the most culpable!.

[@iowaviking]

For one he is not a kid

[@zacharyspencer8321]

"FUN FACT": The father ran for mayor of Highland Park against the incumbent lady that used to be the shooter's scoutmaster. It would have been weird if the father had won, only to have to face headlines later that the mayor's son went on a shooting rampage.

[@catmom1322]

I never blame parents of people with assault. However, this time I do put some responsibility on these parents who ignored his behavior & his psychopathy.

[@nobodyspecial4702]

Who says they ignored it? The mental health system in the US is totally fucked because of junkies. If you're an addict you have an easier time getting help than if you have any form of mental illness because addiction can be checked with chemical testing while insanity can't. As soon as addiction was declared a disease, services that were being used to help people with actual mental conditions were siphoned off to help people who became addicts instead, and as a result we've seen a massive spike in mental health violence. When my son wanted to die because of problems at school, every single mental health agency in the city I live in told me they couldn't even do an intake for him within 6 months. 30 years ago, if someone was suicidal they got seen that same day, but not anymore, all because addiction is a disease instead of a personal failure.

[@ms.c3]

Kudos to you! Well said. 🤗

[@stars8924]

@@ms.c3 You ppl are insane lmao he’s 21 years old 😂😂 that’s a grown man

[@ms.c3]

@@stars8924 😳 what are you talking about? My comment has nothing to do with him being 21. I think the insane one is you. ☺️

[@na6977]

Yep, they are not decent

[@MeMeDaVinci]

This seems to be a repeating theme in these senseless attacks and killings... The shooter family says they know nothing about the violent tendencies, allow for an application for a high-powered weapon, then after carrying out a selfish, cowardly act, the realization the shooter is a minor with a personal history of mental issues. Parents need to wake up. Just because the kid is "old enough to know better" doesn't mean they do.

[@Rayasunshine10]

Thank god for people who make consequences for those who encouraged the actions of those shooters or didn’t do anything to stop it. They give me hope. So heartbreaking 💔

[@DS-ek4zz]

The father knew .. he picked up the knives from the Police station .. he knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! charge him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mother for supplying the getaway car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@leodawn5913]

I saw an interview of the father and I think that both the person applying for the gun and the person signing off on the gun both need to pass an IQ test. This guy looked about as smart as a bag of hammers. He Is an accomplice.

[@apollothirteen9236]

I.Q of 120 or higher should be required.

[@Alexrogan0311]

@Sheps and the murderer is an leftist. What's your point?

[@evatripp7788]

The news reported that the only twitter account that the father follows is t...p's archived twitter account & that the dad retweeted a tweet a few weeks ago that said to " protect the second amendment as if your life depended on it" More blood on the habds of the " monster" & his cult members, the gqp!!!

[@phase_1471]

Same for being able to procreate. IQ test or gtfo.

[@linhho4129]

There is NO WAY you didn’t know!!!! Then, that means he was NOT involved in his life… but then sponsor him to get a gun? 🤦‍♀️

[@1badEK]

The father needs to be right beside his son in court and facing charges.

[@YTSparty]

They need to go after parents like they are in Oxford Michigan. They need to go after anyone that stood by and did nothing or helped. That includes schools and police (who do nothing after being warned).

[@michaelhill7878]

I agree his school and the police department have culpability.

[@jillh7403]

My son and his family live near the Oxford high school. The killer's Mom bought him a gun for an early Christmas present. WT?? These parents helped this killer Go to jail killer's parent's.

[@lizchildersmjfan]

exactly! The police in the town I grew up in were aware of someone causing domestic violence. They fail knowing what the consequences would be, and it caused a loving teacher, and her two adorable kids' lives. These are the type of police that I hate. If you choose to ignore red flags, or don't do your job right, then being a police officer is not the right thing for you. These cops should be held accountable for it. Was completely preventable, and they decide to check later, rather than sooner. Dumbest move the police in the town I grew up in could have ever made.

[@xx_Joker_xx]

This highlights one of the biggest issues in our country. Parents don't know what they should know about their kids and/or overlooking and dismissing things that are known about. Every parent says "my kid would never do that"... because that's what they want to think. Parents want to believe that because they have good morals and judgement, that their kids do as well. It's a fatal assumption. It's not the reality. #HoldParentsAccountable

[@lizchildersmjfan]

@@xx_Joker_xx Exactly, I agree to that 100%.

[@bell4289]

Crimo had a police record including suicidal attempt, threat to kill others, possession of knives, daggers, & a sword, posting violent KZbin videos, violent paintings on the exterior wall of his house while obtaining an Illinois FOID card allowing him to purchase firearms & ammunition! What’s wrong with this picture???

[@aglassofwhitewata8759]

Theres firearms in the picture.

[@josetemali3]

Law enforcement doesnt enforce laws ?

[@Mike-jv4rz]

@ChristiansAre Fascists Don't politicize this - you look foolish...

[@Alpha-zv9vo]

@@josetemali3 last time they tried to pitch the idea about better gun laws mericans were not too keen on the idea

[@pxpin89]

@@Alpha-zv9vo Gun laws are fine. They worked, it was this father that didn't

[@pixel1419]

"I asked him what he was doing on 4th of July", get the F outta here!! Father avoided the signs and signed guns for a child that tried to kill them. No sympathy or empathy in defense of the father! Nope!

[@joewise1677]

When you allow children to do what they please, they really do whatever they please.

[@peoplesconscience]

So horrifically evil. May the deceased victims rest in peace.

[@rslwannabe9475]

2 months in jail probably

[@peoplesconscience]

Responsible moral parenthood is a rare commodity nowadays.

[@norainocentes2175]

The father should be accountable too for what his son done.

[@pinkplum3379]

Dad should not have consented and probably should be held accountable for doing so, but why do I feel with as much effort the killer went through to plan and carryout this evil plot and the next one he was going to carry out, he probably would have gotten guns even without his dad’s help. It’s really sad.

[@crystalhowell3175]

Why aren’t these parents being charged, like Ethan Crumbley’s parents? This is just as much their fault as his.

[@DeadEyeYTPage]

The shooter is not a kid and the parents have no connection with the shooting at least for now

[@lloydbishun9584]

Cuz Robert is too nasal.. his nose is too long!..

[@taylorfox6436]

Maybe because this creep is 21yrs old legally an adult..Ethan was under the age of 18yrs.

[@garygagnon5057]

This should be a red flag for everyone who signs for someone else to obtain a fire arm, think twice.

[@lauriaendy4595]

The father needs to be held accountable, they how unstable their children are, yet they allow every desire of those children! Look at the horror this shooter has inflicted on every body else, it’s unbelievable the lack of responsibility of parents these days!

[@tetchuma]

If the father sponsored the gun application, he should also be charged.

[@christinebuckingham8369]

Exactly!! What on earth was he thinking!? Oh, about his misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment "rights"?!? What a tragically ignorant Fool!!

[@Alylonglegs]

Yup

[@calebhakains5866]

Lol. No

[@calebhakains5866]

I bet you think gun companies should be able to be held responsible too

[@markm4623]

Wrong! You idiots never understand. When something like this happens y’all always point the finger. Look in the mirror! American society is SICK! Children are being raised with sicko values taught by liberal teachers. The parents ain’t around to raise them because they have to work non stop just to scrap by. Then we have been bringing in a flood of immigrants into America for decades that has further altered the values of America and only exacerbated racial tensions even more!!! Wake up!!

[@practicallyallthingspractic]

What a cowardly awful evil act! What a thoughtless reckless action on his father's part as well, this is why we need responsible gun laws! Better background checks!

[@BabySkinCondom]

we have over 10,000 gun laws at every level of government. yeah, what we need more of is something that totally doesn't work!

[@calebhakains5866]

@ChristiansAre Fascists bruh does he look like a Christian to you.

[@RPG-oh1yf]

@ChristiansAre Fascists What a stupid comment.

[@Alexrogan0311]

@ChristiansAre Fascists what makes you think he’s a Christian at all?

[@Alexrogan0311]

That’s cute but we have background checks.

[@kis4beauty]

I think it's amazing to go after the parents or caregivers of these domestic terrorist monsters. These senseless acts are sick and out of control. Police should also go after those who knew but did nothing in the Buffalo shooting.

[@EDM_2905]

The father should also be held accountable!

[@lileelisamc.4722]

the profile of these mass shooters is pretty consistent.

[@sherrilynn8350]

So VERY VERY SAD my heart goes out to ALL the families who lost loved ones and I ask the Lord to give them peace and Comfort in this time of need. God Bless you All. 😪

[@evatripp7788]

Thank You Sherri Lynn & GOD BLESS YOU & YOUR FAMILY ALSO! ❤

[@dallaspcc3886]

Sadness would be appropriate if this were something that couldn't be helped. Make no mistake, this massacre was ABOLUTELY preventable. Forget "sad". We should ALL be "FURIOUS".

[@dallaspcc3886]

@Dribley Phartz - No need to "Violate the Constitution", just abide by & enforce it, since CLEARLY the "Well-Regulated" portion of the 2nd Amendment, is not. The lack of regulation is anti-constitutional. Also, you can in fact ban certain types of weapons & ammunition as part of that regulation. Certain weapons already are & have been in the past - such as assault rifles.

[@cherylgalipeau6132]

Too bad your god didn’t protect them in the first place…

[@dallaspcc3886]

@Dribley Phartz - So you admit that citizens shouldn't have access to guns, then. Only "militias", like the National Guard, should be armed? The constitution says nothing about arming its citizens - only said "militias". You said it. Not me.

[@gregoryhufflepuff5376]

This is why some people don’t deserve to be parents

[@cjthecomedian1150]

They ignore the red flags everytime it’s the same story each time

[@manofblack1]

Can’t believe they blamed Illinois republicans for this. Not the parents like they should have.

[@anwarmateen822]

The apple 🍎 doesn't fall far from the tree.

[@vha3742171]

He lived with his father and uncle. Parents must been separated. To say they didn't know he was dangerous or deny that he made threats to his own family is b.s..

[@danielbenitez6985]

This is horrible... sending thoughts & prayers to all those involved at that tragic purade 🙏❤💕💫

[@VagabondiOfficialTV]

My heart goes to the victims but this sh*t has become a culture in America

[@doriwilson6991]

I blame politicians who bow to the gun lobby for political donations. Their greed over human need is one reason why this continues.

[@shaggydawg5419]

if his father isn't charged, the system fails. Expect to see more irresponsible parents helping their sick kids buy guns/rifles. As I said in many posts, it starts from home. Many of these mass murders are a product of messed up family who either don't give a damn about their kids or just too busy to care.

[@jewbego5323]

Bro.... he's 21 years old.

[@shaggydawg5419]

@@jewbego5323 and your point is...?

[@jewbego5323]

@@shaggydawg5419 You should not be punished for the sins of your parents nor should parents be punished for the sins of their adult children.

[@shaggydawg5419]

@@jewbego5323 zero accountability seems to be an American thing. It's always others fault. So parents can help their children commit a crime and never held responsible for being an accessory.

[@smilesandyoka]

Trump is a perfect example

[@casie5927]

Listen his family knew. They just didn’t take him seriously because I’m sure he always acts like that. And he wasn’t a minor! He is 22!

[@valeriemartinez5631]

We need brain health help more than anything our teens are depressed I lost my promising son to suicide and I'm super depressed now I wish he wouldn't of hidden his pain from us we love him so much

[@Doritbardola]

Charge the parents! Every single time this happens any where, maybe they won’t be as quick to get their kids a gun licence, or keep guns where these vile individual kids of theirs can get their hands on them! Vile those poor family’s who lost their lives, my prays are with them🙏

[@maryannemelenka9250]

That’s a good idea. These young kids killing people. That starts in the home. Even before they are bullied or bullying others. Civil suits brought against parents of high income bracket, poor ones should pay in other ways. This has got to stop. These parents are not necessarily abusive, just too busy with careers, kids raised in day care, or nanny grandparents etc. Irresponsible dysfunctional families social services don’t heed warning signs of bad parenting, send children back. Babies having babies, some use as meal tickets to support bad habits, and just don’t care about kids. This could be foster care, adoption, step and natural parenting. I have to say I admire gay parenting . Elton and David, Anderson Cooper, Neil Patrick Harris, they seem to be lovingly raising happy children. Of course even loving parents can have a problem child. But chances are better for future if they get loving attention and care. Of course it depends on each individual case, some parents do all the right things but still have an evil child. Too much computer use, social media video games isolation. I say get social media off, just have private family friend chats, may documentaries. Photos videos and phone. Social Networks should be sued to allowing threats and manifestos on here, plus porn and hate. Parents are using computer s to act as babysitters. Yes parents have to held accountable especially if they give kid permits, and gun stores, they sell guns like candy. Some one made a good point other day” where is the good guy with a gun?” referring to a NRA quote. I realize parents have to work, and sadly essential for single or widowed parents. But two parent household parents can work different shifts so one parent home. Have to start hands on upbringing again. Only my opinion. But my case I worked my partner the father raised kids at home. He did work too when he could health issues, but he pretty much raised our kids. I have to give him credit. I was a good mom but to soft he was disciplinarian. It does make a difference with a parent raising children. For single or widowed , hopefully they have loving extended family before go daycare route. Two parents who work 9-5, exhausted, pick kids up at daycare go home make supper put kids to beds. Kids get more interaction with daycare workers sometimes. I don’t know. But it all starts in the home, before kids have friends as peers

[@janicerivera4787]

That wow that why the parents at

[@SMS9155]

Instead of taking the life of another, don't be a coward, take your own life. Thay way you can actually feel what it's like to have life gone. That's the only answers, because obviously even family members can't see when their own sons are desperatly seeking attention, go out an help them buy weapons of mass destruction, then turn around and kill innocent. I say, take your own life first, see how it feels.

[@dahliablack9017]

How old is this person? He looks like a kid!!! This is just heart breaking! Prayers to everyone affected 🙏 ❤️

[@Jj_86]

Why are these shooters still breathing? Heartbreaking for that little boy omg🥺

[@Kentavious444]

When parents have a kid that has displayed as many red flags as this, and then that kid goes out on a shooting rampage, the parents should possess some kind of documented proof that they made reasonable attempts to steer him away from that behavior, like psychological counseling. With no proof to show that they even paid any attention to their child's behavior, how can they be anything but complicit?

[@nobodyspecial4702]

He's 21, making him a legal adult with nobody responsible for him except him.

[@iPeeOnBabies]

Imagine living in a country where you have to suggest keeping a documented record of your dealings with your son to avoid legal consequences once your son goes nutty and shoots up a crowd. I love AMERICA!!! I will ALWAYS vote down any form of gun control, because I love watching this number go UP

[@masonhaggerty186]

@@nobodyspecial4702 I'm sure he showed signs of this when he lived with his parents or whomever his guardian was. It would've been only 3 years since then.

[@juliemarshall9303]

The parents are NOT to blame.

[@Ice-ed7qk]

@@nobodyspecial4702 Sure but people can have harsh childhoods and then output it when they are an adult. Just because he did this at legal adult doesn't mean we could ignore what happened to him as a kid.

[@kjrose1899]

If parents are involved in the purchase or they knew and did nothing they should face criminal and civil charges. By his own statement he sounds like an absent father so why would you buy a weapon for a child you know nothing about that's not how you repair or bond with a child. This is just sickening because they knew what he was capable of because they were threatened and he threatened himself so why weren't you watching him closely

[@wouldntyouliketoknow3811]

If he was over the age of 18 they better look really deep to charge the people around him with anything

[@Saxxin1]

With an entire generation so confused they can't figure out which bathroom to use, how many genders there are or what a woman is even at the college level. The democrat party has created an army of useful idiots brainwashed to believe they are always right and anyone that disagrees with them should be punished. With the mindset they are owed everything their hearts desires and the people that won't give it to them are a threat to their well being the democrat party has successfully created a new weapon of terror. The confused and angry young adult that will gladly kill innocent people because they didn't get their way.

[@oiaiofoster4775]

Exactly!!!!!

[@luisvelez5695]

@@wouldntyouliketoknow3811 Not old enough for the Illinois gun card .

[@kellymccowan2918]

Parents r playing ( I had no idea)

[@rex_schd]

Son : dad, I am suicidal Dad : gooood boy .let me get you guns

[@TxInfinity]

Hold parents accountable. Throw them the book too.

[@bundleofhumble3119]

Put the parents in jail as well and make sure they dont make more children!

[@OmogeVblogTV]

Let's be Honest We knew it kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqHPgKybfK1gnNE

[@bundleofhumble3119]

Sick of these parents that create these monsters of children that shoot up schools and kids of others and then suddenly "dont know" "are suprised" or dont even care about their kids and dont have to take responsability even when they are underage.

[@LadyBirch]

The father is totally responsible! He fostered this by signing The sponsorship of the gun purchase! How about signing him up for a gun safety course first and attending it with him to make sure that he is mentally sound and responsible in caring a gun? He sponsored this whole mass murder that his son did! It’s his responsibility to talk to the other family members that he lives with to see what his activities have been and how he’s been behaving and if he’s been responsible. A background check is not going to reveal that and he should know that he should’ve known better. The problem is is that these gun advocates think that their gun rights far away and are more important than mental health. At the time that the amendment was created the amendment was created for the reason of being able to hunt and protect your own property. Because the British military and empire had taken away confiscated and made it illegal for all of the settlers to have guns because they didn’t want any uprising they didn’t want the settlers in America to be able to defend themselves against the British military trying to impose their governance over them. It was strictly meant for the ability to provide food with hunting and to defend your own property, your own family. And to possibly defend yourself from foreign invaders. The amendment was never created to arm the public to have an obsession with multiple fire arms as a collection and as an obsession. It was never meant to be used to gun down innocent citizens. The right to own a gun should not over power other sovereign citizens to a free life to just live their life. The amendment was never created to have automatic weapons be purchased by normal citizens. The amendment has just been used to make our country more dangerous by more dangerous people by sick people and some of the sickest people are in our government like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert!

[@markm4623]

American society is responsible. This sick society of America plays a larger role in raising children than most parents are capable of. You just don’t want to look in the mirror and accept responsibility for being part of the sickness

[@drt2555]

Good point. If parents are demanding their rights to teach their children as they see fit, they must be held responsible for foreseeable tragedies like this.

[@juliemarshall9303]

The state was supposed to do a background check. The State failed their responsibility of due diligence.

[@lindapryor3747]

@@juliemarshall9303 The father took responsibility by signing off on the purchases when he knew his son was mentally unstable.

[@ianl5669]

If anything people need more guns. The more restriction the more crime. Hold the fbi and his liberal mentors accountable.

[@chicagoan08]

Its tragic and unfortunate. My condolences to berieved families

[@LaLaLaurino14]

Part of me wouldn’t be surprised if the father knew exactly what he was doing when he sponsored his son, except I bet he was hoping he would just use the gun on himself. Seriously why else would he sponsor him knowing he has suicidal tendencies?

[@Thea-gj2or]

When your child says they have no plans for the holiday, why don'tt you invite him to do something fun?

[@loyi-kyong]

When parents love their children too much and ignore, deny all the warning signs. My condolences to all the victims.

[@camwilliams1]

Parents with a confused codependent love. We need to stop calling this any form of love, it is not. Like you, my heart is broken such denial has cost so much to so many

[@stars8924]

This dude is 21 and you guys are blaming the parents lmaooo 😂😂😂

[@haileysun4085]

All of Massive shooter’s parents should be taken into custody with their kid in jail

[@Axiom1984]

When are the police and state going to be investigated for signing off on the guns?

[@evanstrain5808]

Stop

[@nottiification]

When is the GOP and the NRA going to be investigated for signing off on the guns?

[@Axiom1984]

@@evanstrain5808 Yeah that honesty is a bad thang.

[@k20z3keith7]

Can you guys stop showing this dweeb's face? Almost like the MSM wants more and more of these things to happen.. Wonder why..

[@lesant7659]

Why blame the shooter's dad.the shooter is 22 years old, he's a damn adult.

[@bonitaleady8017]

I hope they have a strong prosecuting team to give the whole family sentences.

[@RebirthOfMercyakaROM]

A horrific evil. His family is also to blame, they are his LEGAL GUARDIANS!!!!

[@OmogeVblogTV]

Let's be Honest We knew it kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqHPgKybfK1gnNE

[@kjrose1899]

And they knew what he was capable of but they did nothing

[@Emerald_Forge]

Facts, like he literally threatened to kill them but they still thought it was a good idea

[@christopher399]

I have two issues with this. 1) He is an adult. At what point will we become responsible for our own actions? I was under the impression that adults were to be held accountable for their own actions. 2) Parents, and other close relations, can't be expected to literally know everything. Just think about your own life for a second... Did you share everything with your own parents? Or did you keep whatever you didn't want them to know private? He, as well as other mass shooters, may have written a lot of horrific things online, but they probably never showed any of that stuff to their parents. Of course, one could argue that bad parenting can be a contributing factor, but it doesn't have to be. Automatically going after the family of murderers just seems wrong. If you murdered someone, why would we go after your loved ones? They weren't the ones who murdered anyone. You did.

[@Emerald_Forge]

@@christopher399 I'm pretty sure suicide attempts and treating to kill your family is a good sign someone shouldn't have a gun early?