Fourth Wing Ending Explained (Chapters 36-39) | Fantasy Fangirls Podcast Insights & Theories

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Two sisters, Nicole and Lexi explore the ending chapters (36-39) of Rebecca Yarros's Fourth Wing!
Lexi and Nicole begin with Battle Brief (summary of this section), then dawn their Signet Powers deep diving into critical insights, theories, and foreshadowing, and then finish off with taking a trip to the Archives to learn all about venin, wyvern and what they want!
Battle Brief: 00:01:49
Signet Power Deep Dive: :00:09:18
Moments of Foreshadowing: 02:33:10
Archives: 02:37:09
Favorite Moments: 02:46:43
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@nicolepatrick4743
@nicolepatrick4743 11 ай бұрын
I think Violet is good at grounding/shielding because she does it all the time with her chronic pain. Multiple times in the book she talks about walling off the pain to be able to keep moving on. So she just already knew how to ground/shield by the time her bond happened.
@Kloklo-yu4bs
@Kloklo-yu4bs 11 ай бұрын
Omg yes that makes so much sense
@nualavi7688
@nualavi7688 5 ай бұрын
this is so good!
@ΜαρίαΜουλτσιά
@ΜαρίαΜουλτσιά 10 ай бұрын
"Violet doesn't know the questions to ask..." Lexi says BEFORE iron flame is released.... The unintenional foreshadowing as well as this frustrating part of iron flame almost KILLED ME
@bookishb
@bookishb 11 ай бұрын
lexi you destroyed me with your eulogy. I'm sobbing.
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
😭😭
@Cloudyconfusion
@Cloudyconfusion 11 ай бұрын
I didn’t cry when Liam died in the book but I absolutely cried when you read his eulogy 😭
@spoondame
@spoondame 11 ай бұрын
I thought the 7 ... 6 meant Liam watched one die in that moment. OH and BTW Andarnaurram as an alternative to the Scottish -- in Swedish Andarna means ghost or spirit and Uram means master -- RESURRECTION?? OR Hebrew Uram means My Flame, My Light!! Also did you guy find it interesting that Violet broke the rules that Mira gave her for the quadrant - dont make friends (made em... already lost one to death) -- Dont sleep with upper rank ( um yeah her wing leader lol) And my question is - HOW did that box the Venin wanted end up in the tower??? Dain's Dad? About Brennan - OR did he "poison" himself faking his death? Nicole... look at your shirt!!
@lacey.a5
@lacey.a5 11 ай бұрын
I thought that about the 7 to 6 fliers as well, that one had already died so quickly.
@ashleykaiser9637
@ashleykaiser9637 5 ай бұрын
I had the same thought on the 7 oops one died now 6. Lol
@divyapatel56
@divyapatel56 11 ай бұрын
Ice being Deigh's power rather than Liam's second signet makes so much sense! We forget that dragons have their own powers aside from the powers that they channel to their riders. Maybe we don't see more dragons using their own powers because they probably don't trust their riders or leadership to not take advantage of it!
@groofallin
@groofallin 11 ай бұрын
Maybe the rebellion relic allows dragons to pass their own powers to their riders.
@joaneflim
@joaneflim 11 ай бұрын
Brennan, the poisons master, faked his death, but Naolin (his lover) desperately spent his magic trying to resurrect a living person - Romeo and Juliet type of scenario of not knowing. Thats my theory 😂
@Cloudyconfusion
@Cloudyconfusion 11 ай бұрын
I finally understand what guys feel when the football players leave the tunnel and the announcer goes ham… that’s how I feel when Nicole does the battle brief!! The hype with that “WELCOME TO THE CHAT VENIN!!” I’m sat here like WOOT-WOOH- WOOT straight up cave-manning ooga booga over here in front of my screen!😂 same with her fist bumps in the episode intros like wtf you’d think I was watching a UFC fight or something 😂 no just my favorite book & podcast😂😂
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
omg this is one of the best comments I've ever read hahaha!!
@Cloudyconfusion
@Cloudyconfusion 11 ай бұрын
@@fantasyfangirlsthis is my Roman Empire 😂
@crimsonfarina7097
@crimsonfarina7097 11 ай бұрын
i’m so excited for my reread after watching this whole podcast so now i can be on the lookout for all the little nuggets you guys talk about
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
Yayyyy!
@tracyjacobs7856
@tracyjacobs7856 11 ай бұрын
Gen Melgren absolutely knows there are venin. He also wants all the marked ones dead. He didn’t make the deal to keep them alive, Lilith did. He will do anything to ensure they don’t graduate. Dain’s dad knows that the venin will be going to Athebyne. “You have the choice of abandoning the village of our enemy or abandoning command of your wing.” Gen Melgren says elimate them and Dain’s dad is like say more. Xander is not an inntrinsic. If he was he could hear everyone’s thoughts. He can’t. He’s hearing Violet’s. I think that has to do with their relationship being more than love. He tries to shield her thoughts for her privacy. Maybe sometimes he’s human and can’t block them out. I think there are “power points” at certain locations along the border. They could be ward hotspots. Tairn says “there’s something in that trading post. We all feel it.” The locations that we’ve heard about that have been attacked are Athebyne (south), Montserrat (north), Chakir (center) The Sage then disappears into thin air, without the chest, when he realizes that his battle is lost. Violet’s power is really special. The professors and command are taking interest, Xaden took interest, Tairn took interest and now the venin! When Liam first saw something it was 4 venin. As Violet got into the fight wyvern showed up and then there’s the venin that said “Such untapped power. No wonder we were called here.” The four venin were there for the box. The rest came for Violet, for her power.
@jnwestberg2010
@jnwestberg2010 11 ай бұрын
25:22 Dain went to the outpost that Xaden could fall back to. Dain "called it" before they left. So he obviously knew where he was sending Violet and Xaden and was hoping he (dain) could use the War games to step up in leadership.
@nicolepatrick4743
@nicolepatrick4743 11 ай бұрын
Agree, I am sure Dians dad helped him make the decision too.
@elisaperales971
@elisaperales971 11 ай бұрын
Maybe he starts to earn her trust back by telling her he’s an intinsic and that not a single other soul knows and is a death sentence, so like this huge gesture of trust
@edylinsm
@edylinsm 11 ай бұрын
9:05 what a recap girls!!! 1:14:30 thanks Liam for everything, we'll be always remember you!!!, what a beautiful tribute lexi; you destroyed me with your eulogy. I'm sobbing 🥺 2:42:03 nicole blows my mind🤯 with this information!!!...the tv shows once again ruin our fantasy world🥲 Aghhh I love this!!! Yall are amazing and I'm so excited to continue this journey! i can't wait for Iron Flame😝 PS im starting ACOTAR soon cause of y'all!!
@cadilace
@cadilace 11 ай бұрын
1:59:00 - There are few moments back to back when Tairn hears Violets thoughts and they aren't italicized. Followed by a "I hadnt't spoken those words. I thought them." (~Page 229 Chapter 15) I think the italics are used in moments she is actively trying to communicate via thought. I also think she occasionally communicates via thought without intending to. Then again - I really hate the idea of Xaden being an Inntinsic. I'll only accept it if I read it on the pages haha
@sydjo7766
@sydjo7766 11 ай бұрын
I agree with you about this. I don’t think Violet realizes she communicating through thoughts during these times. They have open communication always and until she learns to shield/block her thoughts from Tairn and Xaden better then she’ll push thoughts through the bond unknowingly. Reminds me of ACOTAR when the bond is still new for Feyre
@violet31331
@violet31331 11 ай бұрын
3 hours was not enough!!!! Aghhh i love this!!! Yall are amazing and I'm so excited to continue this journey! PS im starting acotar soon cause of y'all!!
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
Omg YES!!! We cannot wait to start our ACOTAR deep dive!
@saschab808
@saschab808 Ай бұрын
The absolutely accurate theories here are crazy
@therealemms
@therealemms 4 ай бұрын
I've read both Fourth Wing and Iron Flame before discovering your podcast and am reliving the books and holding back withdrawel with you guys' POVs and theories. Love you guys! Also, it just clicked for me that it's VERY possible that Xaden's mom could be royalty on King Tauri's side after hearing you guys out 😱 IYKYK
@Mckeever_family_AZ
@Mckeever_family_AZ 11 ай бұрын
Xaden responds and recalls way too many of Violet’s thoughts to not be intrinsic. I really am hoping we get a Xaden POV of her being alling up to him at the parapet and then when she saves Andarna in the forest and bonds with Tairn.
@valrichards8272
@valrichards8272 Ай бұрын
Have you all listened to the graphic audio version of this. I really prefer this version than just one person trying to do all the voices. It really it a great listening to it this way with graphic audio
@zoeb.7895
@zoeb.7895 11 ай бұрын
I was listening to this at the gym and had to control myself when you did the Eulogy for Liam and so many other things you guys were talking about 😅
@heddofeddo
@heddofeddo 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to make this content. Keep it up. ❤
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
Thank YOU! for watching! We cannot wait to keep making more :)
@levilaterreur2179
@levilaterreur2179 7 ай бұрын
Just finished Fourth Wing a week or so ago and have finally reached the last episode of Fourth Wing deep dive.. my goodness!! Way to make a grown man cry at work during that eulogy 😭😭 Cannot wait to finally read Iron Flame and go through your deep dives. I actually plan to bump up and read the ACOTAR series afterwards, knowing you two are going into a deep dive of that series as well. Please don’t stop doing these
@KatieMcG
@KatieMcG 11 ай бұрын
I'm a little late but my theory on the Xaden being a mind reader relates more to the bond between dragons than being an intinsict. Tairn can read Vi's mind too and respond to her thoughts and not what she says to him, maybe it's the same for Xaden and because he's more advanced in his bonding skills. I'm with you Lexi, I don't want him to be an intinsict!
@afton2007
@afton2007 11 ай бұрын
I think this theory really comes into play when Violet feels her forehead prickle when Xaden is looking in the room, even before bonding. However, there is a scene (I don't have the page with me) where she feels it, but the narration says he hasn't acknowledged her yet. Xaden has also been known to answer her inner thoughts when the text is not italicized, but I feel this is more just the commonsense responses. I too agree that he is not intrinsic
@lisilu9905
@lisilu9905 10 ай бұрын
I wanna talk about fictional characters being real. There’s actually at least one neuroscientific paper on the connection between our brain and our emotional connection to fictional characters. I know this because this was the topic of my Bachelor’s degree’s final paper. It basically says that when a fictional character/world is drawn clearly enough (basically given character traits and therefore making them human and making it a tangible entity for the reader) our frontal cortex and our amygdala release a substance that creates an emotional connection to a fictional character as if it were a real person. The brain basically does not distinguish between fictional characters and real people, but allows us to feel all the feelings, to empathize and to be happy for them/with them, to mourn them and with them. It also says that the stronger the clearer an author “paints the picture” of a character, the stronger the connection will be. Even more so if something bad or undeserved happened to a beloved character. That’s the gist of it, but I will say that I am fuzzy on some of the details because it’s been a few years since I’ve read that paper. I could link it though if anyone is interested. (If it’s still available) In my work, I used Tess from Tess of the D’Urbervilles as an example because Thomas Hardy did make some gut wrenching literary choices causing the reader to literally cry out in pain several times throughout the book because of the sheer uncalled for things that happened to Tess with the book ending in the most (purposefully done) unsatisfying manner which then caused the ultimate emotional reaction of the reader. This is what happened with Liam too. He died even though it should not have happened. We loved him so much that his death was even more painful. More so because Rebecca did an awesome job of making all characters in Fourth Wing so real to us
@aliceinwalesland
@aliceinwalesland 11 ай бұрын
I listened to Hauting Adeline and the male narrator was SO GOOD. I was shocked when I found out on the pod it was the same narrator for Xaden, because I too did not like that at all!! Amazing episode, I'm so excited to iron flame and the acotar series!!
@series2.093
@series2.093 11 ай бұрын
Dain's signet reflects a lot his core of always needing to know stuff, and maybe that part of his personality came from his father wich in case Dain's Dad signet can be something related to that, and If we believe that It has something to do with interrogation or knowlegde then maybe his signet can be knowing when a person is lying
@Rubestur
@Rubestur 5 ай бұрын
Just clicked on the video, all pumped to get to the end of this amazing series. It fits for 3 hours. Guess I’m not sleeping tonight.😢
@calvinpittser2975
@calvinpittser2975 11 ай бұрын
They could also make dragon claw weapons from the material that kills the venin. That way the dragons can kill them more easily
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
Okay you're hired as the official weapons idea person in Aretia!!
@paolaf2612
@paolaf2612 11 ай бұрын
What a beautiful tribute to Liam 💖🤧 he deserved more but will be always remember him❤️‍🩹
@calvinpittser2975
@calvinpittser2975 Жыл бұрын
OMG YES I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
@nlys1
@nlys1 Жыл бұрын
ME TOOOO!!!!! YAAAAYY!!!!
@taliast.angelo848
@taliast.angelo848 8 ай бұрын
Late to the party here. I cried when Liam died and I’m dead inside 😂. Especially listening to the audiobook with all that emotion, it got me.
@purpleren3312
@purpleren3312 11 ай бұрын
28:31 okay so I took the 7-6 thing as one of them died so there was only 6 left
@leamichellemuller2173
@leamichellemuller2173 11 ай бұрын
Yeah me too
@lorlorstitches3774
@lorlorstitches3774 11 ай бұрын
Me too! Like one died right as he was talking and changed it to 6!
@mariamatias6213
@mariamatias6213 11 ай бұрын
I think at some point in the series the leadership will learn about Andarna and the feather-tails' powers. And they will be hunted
@morganberna
@morganberna Ай бұрын
This is saving me from my FW hangover 😅 whewww this book hit me hard. About to re-read Iron Flame and start that pod series next!
@ToKi0tlaNdhyA
@ToKi0tlaNdhyA 5 ай бұрын
28:03 I was hearing this in the audio app, and HAD to write this. I always read the 7... 6 fliers as a way to show this is real war, the are lives in play and there were fliers "leaving" but not exactly going anywhere.
@3BlackDogsCrafts
@3BlackDogsCrafts 11 ай бұрын
Dain called dibs on that outpost! He is taking Xadens spot as wingleader when they don't show.
@micaaCA2001
@micaaCA2001 11 ай бұрын
Every “Xaden’s an intinnsic” theory is so well formulated that I’m lowkey convinced lolllll but I don’t really think he’s one. I feel like it’s more of a fated mates bond with Violet. She didn’t know they could mind talk until Xaden did it at Montserrat so maybe Violet doesn’t know how to tap into that power to read his mind yet? If he was actually an intinnsic he would’ve been able to read Dain’s (yuck) mind and know about the Athebyne plans with his dad! When they got to Athebyne they were genuinely surprised and confused about why no one was there. He would know about lesdership’s plans too every time they crossed paths, like when Xaden and Violet bumped into Dain’s dad and Violet’s mom. Hope that makes sense! ALSO I freaking LOVE this podcast you guys are incredible and actually cured my Fourth Wing hangover !!! The amount of details you guys pay attention to is insane. Thank you
@stephanieramirez8224
@stephanieramirez8224 11 ай бұрын
I don't know if I can get behind Liam channeling Deigh's ice powers, because isn't it stated that feathertails lose that power when they grow up? So, if feathertails are baby dragons, and not a royal lineage, it might not be possible. As we know with Andarna, she loses the ability to stop time as she gets older and will not be able to channel that power into Violet, which is why we theorize she will have a different separate signet. I am very much in the Second Signet camp. Re: the ultimate price - what if the ultimate price of the third brother is not his life, but rather his soul? Thinking back on Violet explaining to Jesenia about the fables, "...I could use a few good folktales of what happens when humans defile the power channeled to them. I've never read of a single rider losing their soul to their powers, the dragons keep us from that." Also, when Mira and Violet are at Rhiannon's, Mira states, "But we have the kind of power people would kill for, Violet. Dragons and gryphons are the gatekeepers, and I'm sure that to someone jealous enough, ambitious enough, risking a soul would be a fair price for the ability to wield." It seems too perfect to be coincidence, especially because during her conversation with Xaden she asks if he believes that people can tap into the source of magic without a dragon or gryphon to channel, corrupting their power beyond salvation. After Violet kills Jack, she is so torn up about it. I think this will ultimately be a power struggle between Violet deciding is the power to protect a whole kingdom worth the price of her soul. Or something to do with an inner battle for her. Also, what if, and this may be a crazy idea, but what if Venin attacked Lilith when she was pregnant with Violet because they somehow knew she was a resurrection of one of the brothers, and they tried to take her out before she had the chance to (very a la Voldemort, the early years). That's why her father wanted her to become a Scribe, and when her mother decided to become a double agent or discovered the truth, she placed Violet in the Rider's quadrant because she knew Violet would somehow be the key?
@akashr2396
@akashr2396 10 ай бұрын
1:12:42 - 1:14:30 perfect segment of the series so far.. Thank you Lexi.. Thank you Liam.. may your soul be commended to malek❤😭
@bu_beehappy
@bu_beehappy Ай бұрын
Okay, the dragon explanation especially looking at other movies like HP and Lord of the Rings just blew my mind. I never noticed but will, going forward, for sure look more careful. 😲
@3BlackDogsCrafts
@3BlackDogsCrafts 11 ай бұрын
29:25 I would bet it has something to do with the runes! The runes that the means too have been lost. So to make the weapons that kill the venin can only be made into daggers because that all the runes they have left
@lucyhayen3648
@lucyhayen3648 11 ай бұрын
Yay!!!!! I love Mondays because of y’all
@shelbybarkley7283
@shelbybarkley7283 11 ай бұрын
I’ve been back and forth about the second signet theory as well. And I’m actually starting to believe that maybe the marked ones have two signets and their first signet has to do with something regarding mind (Liam’s foresight, Xaden being a mind reader) because it came from Codagh. Furthering the thought that because General Melgren’s signet has to do with seeing future outcomes (mind power). Then the marked ones show their strongest signet (provided it isn’t a death sentence) to show how strong they are.
@Xlcamino
@Xlcamino 10 ай бұрын
About the "Fucking traitor" line. The one reason I am absolutely sure Xaden isn't reading her mind with a signet is because Tairn does the same thing when Violet just narates her thoughts and out of nowhere he just comments on it. Tairn is always in her head thanks to his bond and I am leaning on the page of "fated mates" between Xaden and Violet because of that. Unless they put their shields on, Xaden occupies the same kind of place as Tairn in her mind.
@kmccarty611
@kmccarty611 11 ай бұрын
Ok I’m bawling listening to Liam’s part 😭💔
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
Us too 😭
@Mochalada
@Mochalada 7 ай бұрын
The reason Liam says “seven gryphons-six” is because he watched one go down, as we know only two of them survive.
@lisapodger5590
@lisapodger5590 11 ай бұрын
Is Brennan's comment about "That definitely wasn't an accident little sister" possibly also referring to his own 'death' and that also not being an accident - hence why he ended up joining the rebellion (or possibly already was apart of the rebellion)
@paulinads6462
@paulinads6462 11 ай бұрын
OMG! ❤❤❤ I love you guys…. U made my day w/ the eulogy…
@charlieczerniakowski7358
@charlieczerniakowski7358 11 ай бұрын
I’m assuming one of the Venin also have foresight powers like General Melgren which is why they were called there. Also, I have a crazy wild thought to share: what if Andarna is part gryphon. I could be entirely wrong but her coloring being gold and having paws rather than claws could indicate gryphon features. Additionally, it seems the dragons have no idea what to do with her as she may not be fully one of their own which is why she can make her own choices. We don’t seem to have enough description of the gryphons yet for this to be a realistic theory, so it’s just a thought. Gryphons do have the ability to channel, the only difference between gryphons and dragons is the wards that the dragons power and the altitudes they can fly at. My last totally out there theory is that she is the last of the race before gryphons and dragons (a royal whose DNA the two species descended from). She would represent the two kingdoms and the split of the species is mirrored by the division of land. Forgive me if I’m a total idiot who didn’t pay enough attention to her description. I’m currently on my second read through and haven’t gotten to threshing yet. I did try looking it up, but google hasn’t been very helpful between Adarna’s description or the gryphon’s.
@lf1257
@lf1257 11 ай бұрын
I’m doubtful that Xaden can even return to Basgiath because of the bargain he made for the rebels children. He told Violet that his life is forfeit if even one rebels, and since he abandoned his command to fight for the enemy, leadership may take it that way unless they play it off as an ambush as soon as they got there. But seeing how they already broke into her moms office, a prison break scene would be interesting to read. If he decides to stay behind in Aretia, their mental connection would be faster communication than missives and could help the revolution. And if this becomes a tv/movie adaptation…I hope whatever actress plays Violet doesn’t give us another Twilight venom scene when Violets poisoned 😂
@mckeemouse78
@mckeemouse78 11 ай бұрын
Now I want to know if the "cups her cheek" is something Dain always did or is it new since he joined the quadrant? Is this how Dain always showed Violet affection and that's why she didn't realize what he was doing??
@Jelly-sk2ry
@Jelly-sk2ry 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for that beautiful eulogy.
@cassbarnes5324
@cassbarnes5324 11 ай бұрын
Y'all are making me cry at work... I should have known better than to watch at work 😪 ❤we love you Liam
@steffanieh6742
@steffanieh6742 11 ай бұрын
I have a theory that the griffin flyer Syrena at the end is Xaden's mom, since she's mentioned specifically by name at the end
@siddybearr
@siddybearr 4 ай бұрын
*Me wiping my eyes as we are told to wipe our eyes* 😢 Not the first time I’ve cried for Liam!! RIP
@luriventura
@luriventura 11 ай бұрын
At the time, I took the 7… no 6 gryphon fliers as one of the gryphon flyers having been killed right then.
@EnchantedJewels
@EnchantedJewels 4 ай бұрын
😢 omgosh you made me cry with thay eulogy....and i cried like a baby when i read it in the book too ( didnt help i just finished Assassin's Blade prior with Celeana and Sam story )
@Rubestur
@Rubestur 5 ай бұрын
I can't watch this. I'm tearing up on a bus. "It's been my honour" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@IAmPyrofan
@IAmPyrofan 11 ай бұрын
I feel that the story of the three brothers will be redone in our story with three females.
@maryelizabethdowns42
@maryelizabethdowns42 6 ай бұрын
with the griffons, i understood it as when liam was saying there was 7 then 6, one of the griffons died.
@hayliemiller315
@hayliemiller315 10 ай бұрын
IRON FLAME SPOILERS: My thoughts are the sliver scars is that they are connected with magic. Xaden has a scar from his bonding with his dragon. Violet doesn’t get a scar from Tairn but it was during her bonding with both her dragons. The scars on Xaden’s back are from a dagger with magical ruins. And Violet got a scar from a venin’s daggers which could have been enchanted. Violet’s hair is 100% a scar.
@hayliemiller315
@hayliemiller315 10 ай бұрын
Adding to this: The sliver could represent seeing a life debt/life bond. Violet can only see hers and Xaden’s because it applies to her and Xaden’s because of the whole I die you die bond along with the dragons. You can only see the magic making that scars sliver due to it applying to them. This could explain why dragons give scars to their riders along with the relic. Xaden’s scars are sliver because of some life debt magic happening. And also explains why only Violets and Xaden’s scars are described as sliver and why others are not.
@taracuke3026
@taracuke3026 11 ай бұрын
I wasn’t going to cry, I was going to be strong and then I sobbed 😭
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
That was my (Nicole) mantra going into this episode, as you can see - it failed haha
@lynngardner5598
@lynngardner5598 11 ай бұрын
Do you think the Venin are getting closer to the Navarre border because they are making their own wards using the material that creates the wards, what they were looking for in the clocktower, which is causing dragon wards to fail. So if the Venin can extend their own wards into Navarre territory they can play on equal or uneven playing field depending how far the Venin wards go.
@danidonohue1784
@danidonohue1784 11 ай бұрын
Ok so here's my thought on the daggers... The griffin fliers are raiding to get the material to make these weapons right? That tells me that this material is kind of hard to come by meaning that they can only get so much of the material to make these weapons and so they need quantity so they make small weapons so they can make a lot of them...
@exmortaliz
@exmortaliz 11 ай бұрын
Maybe it is a Venin who tried to kill Brennan? Also on tv depiction of actual dragons: Saphira from Eragon, Kilgharrah from Merlin, Any of the Dragonheart movies
@sopgor
@sopgor 11 ай бұрын
I absolutely imagine Saphira!!
@KalliTidwell
@KalliTidwell 9 ай бұрын
At 28:00, I read it as Liam saw one of the seven gryphons and fliers get picked off during battle😬😬
@samantharobertson7550
@samantharobertson7550 9 ай бұрын
What a beautiful eulogy 💕
@sarahzorn7846
@sarahzorn7846 11 ай бұрын
Ok in the last few lines where xaden says "I told you I knew better poison masters" I originally thought it was referencing Brennan and maybe it still is but how does he know did Brennan poison himself to fake his own death or did another poison master poison Brennan for the same purpose
@2000ppg
@2000ppg 11 ай бұрын
So Violet and her siblings are going to mirror the three original siblings that spawned the dragon riders, griffin riders and vennin (sp?), right? The real question is which of Violet's siblings is going to become corrupted? Will it be Mira because she stays with Navarre (sp?)? Is it possible that she will feel betrayed if by Violet and even possibly Lillith keeping Brennan being alive a secret from her and that will be the final straw? Will Brennan go power-hungry on the Revolution side and become a tyrant and need to be overthrown in the last couple of books? Will Brennan somehow become a vennin?
@IAmPyrofan
@IAmPyrofan 11 ай бұрын
Could this be a book where the one we love (Violet) becomes the tyrant (Violence)?
@sachsehs11
@sachsehs11 11 ай бұрын
Maybe the second time she’s in that similar situation to save a dragon and a friend will be with Sloan 😭😭😭
@zhoutaiwarrior
@zhoutaiwarrior 11 ай бұрын
If the sage is tairns previous rider. The one vennon syphons energy from the ground is his trainee that violet kills. Would make an avenue for violet to be captured then possibly trained by vennon. Kinda like sword of truth killing with love plot line.
@calvinpittser2975
@calvinpittser2975 11 ай бұрын
I think it was 7 gryphons and that one died really fast and that was what liam reacted to
@kaitlyn1111
@kaitlyn1111 11 ай бұрын
28:02 I took this as one of the fliers had just died from the venin and wyvern.
@RedWolfgirl
@RedWolfgirl 11 ай бұрын
In my opinion out of all the romance books I’ve read, “you are going to be the death of me,” is kind of more a phrase of endearment. So this to me isn’t so much a foreshadowing that Xaden will die because of how many times he says this, remember he dies…then she dies and if the bond is strong with their dragons then Segail and Tarin die, but because Andarna is her second dragon, she may not die…. Just my thoughts.
@giosuearici7610
@giosuearici7610 8 ай бұрын
I found the summary of this book…essentially is a mix between: hunger games, divergent and dragon trainer😂
@ClaireMarieMusic94
@ClaireMarieMusic94 11 ай бұрын
I keep wondering if the relics when all together have a power as they’re all in separate places around their body and if all combined the power would be able to channel a powerful magic which is another reason for why Xaden took responsibility of them all.
@SillyHeatherPlays
@SillyHeatherPlays 11 ай бұрын
43:07 okay about the saddle…. I was thinking if Xaden made the saddle for Violet to sit in and be strapped to and then proceeded to make one for Andarna, wouldn’t the weight of Andarna in the harness drag down Violet? Idk this is what my brain is focusing on instead of other things 😂 help me make it make sense please 😅
@nualavi7688
@nualavi7688 5 ай бұрын
Whatching this after Iron Flame hits so hard, so many missed opportunities, plot holes and lack of answers in the second book. My God. We are at the same point of info about Brennan's death/resurrection whatever... so weird an entire second book with Brennan actively in it, and we still don't know
@maryelizabethdowns42
@maryelizabethdowns42 6 ай бұрын
i agree that i think that xaden rode on tairn behind the saddle with violet strapped into the saddle so xaden could support her upper body. i thnk tairn allowed it bc he thinks hed die if violet does.
@chelseamcdannold1158
@chelseamcdannold1158 9 ай бұрын
What if the reference to the silver scars is due to an injury being mended? I would be surprised If Xaden was allowed to be mended from the 107 cuts, but the other references to silver scars sound like they could be from a mending???
@AbbeyKat
@AbbeyKat 11 ай бұрын
those 3 hours FLEW by. ok do y’all think violet will eventually be able to shoot lightning directly from her hands cause that would be SICK 😂 and helpful for resurrection 👀 human defibrillator
@lf1257
@lf1257 11 ай бұрын
I’m hoping she can, I would love it if she learns to channel lighting close range around her since she’s so disadvantaged in hand to hand combat
@rosiechisholm408
@rosiechisholm408 2 ай бұрын
When it changed from 7 to 6 Griffins and fliers, i just assumed that one had died when Liam died
@Kincaid2576
@Kincaid2576 11 ай бұрын
Question about the extra chapters in the special edition, or was that a rumor-does that ship before Iron Flame?
@Kincaid2576
@Kincaid2576 11 ай бұрын
I know you guys will cover them either way.
@yenyhenriquez54
@yenyhenriquez54 9 ай бұрын
It was said in fourth wing that Naoli died trying to resurrect Brennan and the professpr Kaori said he died next to Brennan while trying to resurrect him. How is this possible? How did Brennan die or came back to life? Does that mean Naoli died in vain believing he was dead?
@wulfkara.dj_cj
@wulfkara.dj_cj 9 ай бұрын
The DragonHeart movie series has actual dragons as well.
@kirstind6802
@kirstind6802 5 ай бұрын
The dragon in Eragon is depicted with 4 legs too.
@nacho_wifey
@nacho_wifey 11 ай бұрын
It could just be that someone (3rd year) magically wields ice spears, and Liam simply is using them, and the choice to use "wield" was a poor one.
@colbybarclay1873
@colbybarclay1873 11 ай бұрын
With the daggers I think since the veins ise magic they could stop something like an arrow being fired at them but if the riders are close the only way to defend is a physical fight that the veins wouldn't expect. They are ready for a magic fight maybe not a physical fight.
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
this is a GREAT point!
@maryelizabeth-sd2mg
@maryelizabeth-sd2mg 6 ай бұрын
with th griffons, it started 7 and as liam was talking one died is how i understood it
@kayleighgilbert2441
@kayleighgilbert2441 7 ай бұрын
The amount of goosebumps I got throughout your Battle Brief 🥲💓
@EmStoev
@EmStoev 11 ай бұрын
Eragon movie is also with a true Dragon :P
@ashleygant4298
@ashleygant4298 11 ай бұрын
I just finished and I think I missed the eulogy?? Can someone tell me how far into the podcast it is? I've got to get some headphones to focus lol
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 11 ай бұрын
The Eulogy is at 01:12:36 :)
@ashleygant4298
@ashleygant4298 11 ай бұрын
Rewatched from the beginning and definitely cried 😅😢
@missladylegend
@missladylegend Күн бұрын
The fact tht we saw wyvern in game of thrones and Harry Potter is so surreal😂also toothless being the real type of dragon is so cool. Also the dragon showed in Damsel(of milli bobby Brown) also had 4 legs. Just saying😂
@mfvick92
@mfvick92 11 ай бұрын
Liam says 7-6 because one died as he said it.
@IAmPyrofan
@IAmPyrofan 11 ай бұрын
I don't think Andarnas signet will be time, I do think it'll be super speed. Just how much she needs to be faster to get to someone. In the future she won't be able to save anyone else by being fast
@dianapersiana
@dianapersiana 10 ай бұрын
i read the seven-six gryphon thing as in one of them just died while liam was reporting to xaden
@fantasyfangirls
@fantasyfangirls 10 ай бұрын
I think you are indeed right 😬
@dianapersiana
@dianapersiana 10 ай бұрын
@@fantasyfangirls I'm really enjoying your podcast and think you're doing a great job! I love that you put so much passion and effort in these videos, they're amazingg
@IAmPyrofan
@IAmPyrofan 11 ай бұрын
If the belongings of someone can bring someone back. What if the stuff in the chest the vennin wanted was a belonging of someone passed that they want back
@leanngoeken7144
@leanngoeken7144 Ай бұрын
It's ok not to read too far ahead, sometimes the author wants you to think the wrong thing so you can be surprised
@jbeastly96
@jbeastly96 11 ай бұрын
I read the 7… 6 was Liam watching one of the griffon riders die
@littlemzrainbowz98
@littlemzrainbowz98 8 ай бұрын
I will not take this dragon from shrek slander. She is a beautiful dragon with four legs. The OG dragon queen
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