DPD: Kids chose to sleep on porch, parents did everything they could

[@ChrisJobson313]

If they had access to the house and were willfully choosing to sleep on the porch, why did they jump at the opportunity to stay with the family friend?

[@charlesbrazell2136]

Probably because their story has now become public, thanks to Fox 2 News! 12-11-24.

[@Tonya-vq8if]

So they wouldn't be placed in foster care.

[@BlissHarmonyy]

Because they are kids who feel like they got away from having to listen to their parents

[@michaelleary9233]

Yeah, especially the older one, if he's getting attention for basketball, he may think he can get away with anything. Not an unusual story at all.

[@lastsecondshot5919]

The police removed them. It’s not a choice in the situation

[@Akira625]

This whole situation is utterly bizarre.

[@babybluepradas1]

Either The Parents Are Lying Or The Boys Are Lyin

[@shermrock345]

​@@babybluepradas1only works if bothe the parents and kids are. Think about it. Id say there was something mentally wrong with someone who chose to do that if they wasn't forced to do it. Or the situation inside the house was that bad. But mostly likely all are lying so no one gets in trouble I can believe doing it during the summer because it's hot. Especially if the house has no a/c. But he'll even tents in the backyard are better than just sleeping and living on a porch. Hell homeless people don't even do that 😂

[@groundhog-plays]

You don't remember being 15?

[@Monique215_]

@@groundhog-playsThese kids being coached to say this , in the summertime msybe in the winter hell naw

[@Musicball]

@@groundhog-plays I remember being 15, and if my mother told me to get my tail in the house, there wasn't a choice in the matter. Something is off when the parents claim they can't get their children to live inside the home and the children claim they want to live outside the home...on the porch. Not runaways, running wild. They would rather freeze than go inside. Either there is a b u s e going on or the house is haunted and the kids would rather sleep on the porch than deal with Casper.

[@abbiereynolds8016]

That title alone is bs. The only reason a child would "choose" to sleep on a porch is if the inside of the home is a bad option.

[@bobbyhendrix8536]

I totally agree!💯🙏💡

[@nickangelo16]

My dad put me to work every day at age twelve and he didn't pay me. It was his way of punishing me. I was always being punished throughout my entire teenage years. Customers would often remark about how young I was on the job. I worked for years for no money whatsoever. I was expelled from school twice and suspended more times than I can count, maybe fifty. I didn't hurt people, I just skipped a lot of school, smoked weed, drank beer, vandalized property, shoplifted, nothing that really hurt anyone else but me. I was punished for that. I had a cruddy time as a teenager. I worked a lot. There were times when I ran away instead of going to work. Dad would scream as I ran, "Don't come back!" I often stayed gone for days at random friend's houses. When I was fifteen, I skipped ninety days of school. I was sleeping in my dad's box truck outside in the driveway when I was supposed to be in school. I heard knocking on the door of the house and looked out the window of the truck. Two truant officers were at the door looking for me and entered my house without a warrant. I looked on through the window and I watched them enter the house. I exited the truck once they went inside the house. I crept along the siding and listened by my father's window, which was cracked open. The police entered his bedroom while he was sleeping and they woke him up. They mentioned something about all the empty beer cans surrounding him. He was very confused why the police were there. They had no right to enter like that. They said they were looking for me. Dad said I was at school. One of the officers said, "Well, he's not at school." I took off running between a building and a house. I ended up in a parking lot full of cars, maybe it was an impound lot. I wasn't certain. I was a kid. I stayed inside an unlocked SUV and slept in there. I made it my place and slept overnight in it five times. I was eventually caught and went to DH.

[@Yossarian921]

​@@nickangelo16is there more to that? And what does DH stand for? Thank you for sharing about your life.

[@X56th_SFS]

Why do you think you had so much trouble in school? Do you think it was because of home stuff? Can I ask if you got crippling anxiety on the way home, in anticipation of what you're going to "get in trouble" for that day? You sound like you got tough, my dad just made me scared of everyone and everything.

[@akbychoice]

@@nickangelo16you think what you did, didn’t hurt anybody? Boy are you clueless.

[@Mz2cute87]

What i don't understand is how people will call CPS on innocent people out of retaliation. But you see two kids staying on the porch for months but no one calls CPS about that. Make it make sense....

[@spreadloveandkindness]

That part!

[@privateconfidential4775]

Exactly: Frivolous calls to cps in brampton ontario yet in Detroit kids freeze for a pastors reputation: the kids can’t even finish high school now with all the Negative Police Shadow on the whole thing

[@dianabrown2258]

It’s because of intention of the caller wanting to get someone in trouble rather than try to spare people and help them instead

[@YahuahElohim]

What a blessing that the community is trying to help these children 🙏🏾🙌🏿

[@marionm5311]

Yes❤ and a Happy Report ❤😊 Adolescence and Growing up.🙏🏼

[@kialove76]

If a child chooses to sleep outside in the freezing cold, or in extreme heat, rather than to go inside with their parents, then what is happening in that house, behind closed doors, is so horrific and traumatizing, they'd rather die of hyperthermia or a heat stroke first, before they'd ever sleep in there again. There is a SERIOUS, problem here.

[@celebrityrog]

And if it was THAT serious why stay on the porch at all.

[@Lordoftheapes79]

That's a pretty presumptuous statement. More than likely it is only the older brother that wants to sleep outside. The younger is just following suit cause that's what little brothers tend to do at that age.

[@SugarMollyHazel]

They could be fearful of their parents. Like if they ere to tell, anyone the truth. They will get it worst then sleeping outside. Or they could be brainwashed. If you never been through abuse you wouldn’t understand. But not every abuse is the same either.

[@MJanovicable]

You're not a member of law enforcement and the courts, are you? By what authority do you speak, what actual knowledge?

[@sussybaca7256]

It said the older brother had charges pending an was a problem child. Could just be rebelous teens. But then again my mom wouldnt of let me sleep outside in freezing temps. She woulda smacked me or got my uncle or cousins to smack me to get inside.

[@trixdropd]

This doesn't pass the smell test

[@pohjiebarbosa]

Yes, it does.

[@llhll8264]

The “kid” has a charge for assault already. These kids are not victims. Except maybe from the epidemic of never telling your kids no.

[@damonwilks8799]

Doesn't excuse the ADULTS IN THE SITUATION from allowing them to live outside. These are still CHILDREN. Good God the inability to remain humane. ​@@llhll8264

[@MrCBeery]

No you just think kids are sooooo perfect these days don't you? Not everything in life is bullshit. Parents can't control a 15 year old big enough to kick their parents asses. So yeah not all cases like this bullshit. It's a fact of life you can not accept.

[@chumps7974]

We live in crazy times and everything smells foul

[@DarraghGrier-eg7sl]

There’s no way a person who has ever experienced a Michigan winter would choose to sleep outside. Allowing a child to sleep outside and potentially die from hypothermia is child abuse.

[@llhll8264]

Good god! Have you ever been around 12 and 15 years olds?!

[@SneakySteaks-lz8zy]

​@@llhll8264Someone made them sleep out there. The boys were told to tell ppl something else. Who would want to sleep outside

[@γένεσις-ο9ψ]

@@llhll8264 Yes and LIVING on my parents porch for several months in high and low temperatures would never prevail.

[@llhll8264]

@@γένεσις-ο9ψ yes, it’s called parenting. You can’t wait until they’re a tween/teenager to teach them no. Parents want to be friends/ ride or die crap. Actual parenting is hard.

[@SugarMollyHazel]

And it’s not just the cold, anyone could come and kill/kidnap them while they’re sleeping. This is not normal and I can’t believe CPS and the cops is allowing it.

[@drdread9896]

I saw a news story about them the other day and it said that their parents were punishing them, now they “chose” to sleep outside in the Detroit winter.🤨

[@samaraisnt]

hmmmmm next week it’ll be even neater i bet

[@escapedgoat5865]

Ya now it's parents tried everything they could. As if that makes this ok but if they are capable of making them sleep outside what.... sleeping inside is out of their hands. And this city is just like idk we tried 😂🙃

[@H8Magnet]

So sad!!!

[@AKAM30]

I grew up in a very unhealthy abusive environment. It was all I knew. I was always "afraid" of being taken from the only family I had. Just because they say they "want to sleep outside" doesn't mean this isn't abusive and neglectful. So sad. These parents suck.

[@SlimWoods91]

Nothing in this world makes sense anymore …..

[@latoyialove9825]

Exactly

[@annelibashore4807]

You mean the world according to America!

[@trishhamilton2049]

Thank your "leaders" for telling us Men can BE woman, give birth breast feed. Telling us men where woman of the year. Telling kids criminals should be worshipped but good people put in prison for protecting. OF COURSE the kids are confused.

[@marcwells03]

When did things makes sense ?

[@sunshineb-d5006]

Nothing at all I agree.

[@mmcmann9539]

That is still a problem. If they feel safer on the porch than in the home, that is an issue. There is definitely more to this.

[@abigail7788]

I think the 15 year old is protecting the 12 year old the only way he knows how.

[@RDU-s5z]

Good point​@@abigail7788

[@charlotteboy6783]

Agree. The fact they had a toothbrush outside is really telling to me. They aren't having fun camping on the porch. They are avoiding the inside of the house. No kid would choose to brush their teeth and sleep outside in freezing temps.

[@depressedgamer1017]

​@charlotteboy6783 IF they are cursing and being disrespectful to their parents yesterday choose to sleep on the porch as kids thinking their grown and don't want to be respectful to their parents ,sorry but this is the age of social media and kids are disrespectful

[@charlotteboy6783]

@depressedgamer1017 i guess we'll see a nationwide spike in kids sleeping outside, then, since social media usage and disrespect in teens is ubiquitous.

[@ggcatbelladogantics2959]

This woman should find a new line of work if she truly believes this.

[@barbarahamm6245]

Exactly true!!!

[@debh5780]

Her solutions if she had any in my opinion were B.S. 😮😮😮

[@ryanhmm132]

she doesnt have to believe it. the victim always has the most control of the outcome

[@charlesbrazell2136]

Most of these news reporters I find are full of SH-T-why? Because they're paid to say these things and if they don't, they lose their jobs-straight up. 12-16-24.

[@MariePriss]

She’s an idiot.

[@eveleo5066]

They want to sleep Outside of the home, but sleeps inside the Home of RELATIVES 🤔

[@friyeamen9579]

🤯

[@RescueAlwaysOfficial]

Exactly!

[@Tortilla.Reform]

The police/government removed them by force, they didn’t have a choice

[@GojosMiddleFinger]

​@@Tortilla.Reformnot they didn't dumbass😂. Also what kid doesn't want to have a sleep over.

[@Hippitidippity]

Sounds like they are being difficult wanting to act like grown ups and their parents got fed up and said hey you want to stay on the path you're on Go ahead and keep sleeping outside on the street cuz that's exactly where the path is going to lead you so may as well get used to it

[@PeggyRabbit32]

No child decides to sleep on the porch! How does a child tell a parent what to do? If they wanted to sleep on the porch, why did they jump at living with a friend?

[@Joeangel70]

Yes they do. Me and my brother slept on the porch many occasions on cool nights.

[@mattmatt6572]

I can think of one good reason. If the parents were strict on curfue and the kids wanted to come and go as they please?

[@camronwillis7172]

Like them little Timmy's be telling their moms to shut up ..the same way..yt folks go thru this all the time

[@stevej9636]

wrong.... people sleep outside all the time, and they didn't jump at going to the family friends they were threatened with charges and jail and being put into the system for foster care.... they didn't go by choice they were threatened.

[@LadyIarConnacht]

These aren't exactly small children. One of them is over six feet tall with pending assault charges. Maybe mom and dad have a good reason for not wanting him to come in the house. Mom and Dad could end up like some of these victims murdered by their own kids and then everybody says, "Awww, they should have asked for help!"

[@tremurder2743]

That’s what they were TOLD TO SAY!!!!!!

[@Rosa_Maria_187]

Right

[@robinkennedy3380]

Thats not. Do you personally know the family, they should sue for slander. These are people lives. Didn't know u and people who liked this response have a crystal ball. That's why this world is f'd up. Got the truth from an investigation and still want to believe the negative. Hope never mistakenly happen to some of these people commenting. KARMA!!

[@γένεσις-ο9ψ]

@robinkennedy3380 Can your child tell you they're going to live on your porch for several months in high and low degrees weather? And do you believe it's legal that 12 and 15year olds should do so without police or CPS looking into? How would we decipher who are being abused and neglected if this behavioral is ok.

[@whostryingtokillme-sy6ng]

💯

[@SugarMollyHazel]

Have you ever had a cop or a social worker come to your house? If not they call and lets the parents know they’re coming sometimes. That gives the parents enough time to tell their kids WHAT to say. Trust me I know, it happened to me and it happened to a friend of mine who also was being abused.

[@Rockstar-hl9hb]

I don’t believe it! The kids are coerced to say that because the dad is a pastor. He looks to lose his position/status on members…

[@charlesbrazell2136]

Yeah, there's something definitely going on that we haven't been told-and hopefully we will all find out soon enough WTF is going on, with that family! 12-11-24.

[@groundhog-plays]

The "kid" is 6'5" with pending assault charges. Nobody is coercing that 15 year old.

[@roxybryant5076]

Wtf how can he have a church tho? Parents did what they can…..🤦🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️ so confused

[@bobroberts2371]

Any chance you can welcome the violent 15 YO into your home?

[@bobbyhendrix8536]

Ditto to all that!💯🔥😊

[@normacarson7138]

Bullshit.

[@bobbyhendrix8536]

Twice!😊🔥💯

[@StamperWendy]

Right?

[@angelicshiba2018]

Abuse is only evident to those who lived through it. While those who have done it completely brush the idea off as if that could never happen, like always.

[@charlesbrazell2136]

@@angelicshiba2018 I see I am the first and only one, to respond to your comments; well, I agree with you 100% and hope that the right people get involved with this situation and get help to WHOEVER is in need of it-and it looks like the WHOLE FAMILY are in need of some SERIOUS HELP! I kid you not! 12-13-24.

[@lizzy-wx4rx]

Reading between the lines, I think BOTH kids are extremely upset and angry that the parents called the cops on the older son. Trust has been broken, it's a sad situation for the family.

[@GhettoLivinginVegas]

I am a single mom, my son's listen to me. I have the upper hand. I'd never allow them to sleep on the porch in Detroit. Abusers lie and are good at it.

[@_dj_dubz_]

you don't know shit these kids have nothing to do with your sons mam

[@MeredithPutvin]

@@_dj_dubz_ The Kids chose to live on a porch for months? And not involve counseling or social services earlier? Something is clearly wrong here.

[@labelmeposh]

Girl please you're too old to not understand that children behave differently. They listen if they WANT TO especially at those ages and sizes. Thank God instead of yourself that they behave.

[@Dman-c5c]

@@_dj_dubz_fr eveyone different worry about your own mind your business and especially when you don’t know everything

[@dotdedo]

Oh so you think Detroit is all murders? Yeah don’t come here then

[@Blossoming-o6r]

I grew up in an unhappy home and being inside was still better than sleeping outside in the freezing cold!!

[@Bird-y8l]

True

[@GoogleAreEnemyCombatants]

Were you 6'5" tall and 220 lbs.?

[@Bleeeaaoop]

That's irrelevant​@@GoogleAreEnemyCombatants

[@lilmcgill2618]

We aren’t seriously believing this, right? Something is fishy.

[@Snickerdoodle4U-q2v]

I’m sure the police has more information than that shared with the public. The first thing that comes to mind for me is mental illness. They said the oldest has behavioral issues, sometimes those behavioral problems are driven by mental health issues.

[@Hippitidippity]

I'm sorry do you have teenagers because I do and they're difficult. Sounds like their teenagers are a lot difficult.

[@lilmcgill2618]

@ if you would let your kids sleep on the porch, shame on you too.

[@Mikehunthertz51]

Fishy af a fish market is less fishy than this

[@user-mp5cg8lt7i]

@@Snickerdoodle4U-q2vYeah….behavioral issues that don’t show up at school. He’s a good athlete and does well at school but is mentally ill and has behavior issues at home? Sounds like he’s got an environment problem and took steps to correct it.

[@AllGloryBelongstoGod-g7y]

Why are the parents not coming forward to speak up. Why are they being protected? If you're innocent speak up . Bring a lawyer if you must.

[@nancybrouse5070]

.I am suspecting the parents have some connections.

[@AllGloryBelongstoGod-g7y]

@nancybrouse5070 they must

[@Dc0sby]

​@@nancybrouse5070Not living in that house.

[@chelle4336]

The father is the pastor of the local church. I reckon he’s got police connections to immediately shut down all investigations. That’s why it took over 6 months of reporting by neighbours before anyone even investigated!! Because it became wide spread knowledge and they were then forced too. If they had access to the bathroom at all times then why did they have their toothbrushes on the front porch?? !! There’s so much BS in this story.

[@Msheatherwhatever]

It’s the parents. Kids don’t act like this out of nowhere.

[@tammyforbes2101]

Some do some don’t! Some kids are born so mentally unstable they have to wear a straight jacket so they don’t hurt themselves from jerking around I seen it! So yes some kids are just f’ed up! Not saying these kids are I don’t know anything about it but I do know kids this dumb and it crazy!

[@Truechildofgod]

What a joke. Y’all really won’t take anyone word for it. The boys could’ve fled. They chose to deny help and slept outside by choice told cps they are okay and you still think they are lying ?? I was a bad kid once and I can smell one from a mile away. They were disrespectful to their parents and possibly got violent which is why they knew they were in the wrong and didn’t go to the cops. No one was stopping them.

[@lucious890]

Yes not in all cases my 13 year old loves leaving when I won't buy him the things he breaks constantly he assumes I have unlimited money. Then he'll get aggressive or say harsh things he don't get beatens just talked to he is on SSI been getting help for years and teachers are tired too, the department gave me ideas but it's been tried already they won't even take him. They know he's lived and cared for but his history is what they themselves not willing to deal with.

[@Barny-26]

Not necessarily. If the kids are bad, they probably don’t WANT to follow their rules etc. and want to be able to come and go as they please , so they’d rather be outside like brats. It’s not always the parents fault when kids are bad.

[@DesignCultureINC]

thank you. I'm sick of this he's, 6 5 (the 15yr old), so he's hard to control. But he wasn't 6 5' as a baby? My brother is 6 6' but my mother didn't play, and she had family support if need be. I'm sure there's big grown and short that could check him and the 12yr old (who probably depends on his big brother). So, size isn't a good enough excuse. I truly believe that too many "believers " aren't mentally equipped to be taking part in religious practices (which many young are forced into), because they don't seem to know when to separate faith and its doctrine, so they can see a Dr. when needed (or whatever). I also believe because of that, many overly "religious " people should not have children. You have instincts when you're born, which is divine imo, so why would i neglect that, to look in a book or "pray" on something, which is already given me? Too many are quick to say I prayed and read my bible, so I've done my part? But one's mental issues have to be addressed property, which can include your faith, but not solely, imo. To be blunt, too many put "faith" over the reality of this world, so much that they ignore the obvious to the point of willful neglect. And in this case, unfortunately, they try to get by, by adultifying children. The parents of these children have 2 homes, if the children have "behavioral " issues, spend the money needed to place them where they're not in the streets and where you have access to their care. Not have them in the mean streets setting them up for jail or death. And other adults should not support it, like 1 lady in this vid. Children mimic their environment; it's not rocket science. The parents here lack (whatever), so the children "get to choose"...

[@rosegold3623]

Abuse comes in many forms

[@leannaerickson9745]

In the early 1960s, my dad made my brother sleep on our enclosed but unheated back porch all year round. This was in St. Paul, MN, which is certainly as cold as Detroit. Maybe my dad, an ex-Marine thought my brother was tougher than my sister and I, who had more comfortable accommodations in the house. We didn't know my brother was suffering, and nobody said anything. My brother grew up to be a very disturbed person, with a mean streak inside a normal man. I'm not sure to what degree sleeping in freezing cold affected my brother's problems later in his life, but I'm sure it contributed to his very unstable adulthood. I'm glad people in Detroit are aware of what is happening and are willing to help.🌬/

[@krystingrant6292]

That's freaking horrible not one person's did a thing is shameful

[@LesleyMVA]

You didn’t know he was suffering?

[@leannaerickson9745]

@@LesleyMVA By the time this happened, I was 13 y.o., my brother was 12, and my sister was 8. What we now consider child abuse was often considered discipline. My brother was a taciturn boy, as many pre-adolescent boys are. I don't excuse myself, but this seemed normal family life. Looking back, much has changed in family relationships and what is normal child development. My perspective has changed, and I wish I had helped my brother more. Thank you for your comment.

[@peztopher7297]

To what degree did it affect him? That's torturous abuse, that's what. First you say he was tough, then you say it was discipline. Which was it? Some gaps in the story.

[@VintageVegans]

Did you tell an outside adult about your brother sleeping outside? Horribly abusive. I’m sure you didn’t have it great either.

[@ClarissaRobinsonSpeaks]

Even if the 15 yr old decided to sleep on the porch for 5 MONTHS…The parents had no control or say so in the 12 yr olds life either? Not even a teenager yet. 2 parent household. Something is not adding up.

[@bh4396]

Gentle parenting.. did you not listen to the interview?

[@viv4843]

She actually said it with a straight face. So sad. All the adults in this story continue to fail these children. There are laws in which you can't leave your dog outside in cold or extreme heat. However, children can sleep outside because they want to. If you are sitting in a pew listening to this pastor, you need your head examined. The parents don't know right from wrong.

[@kishachenee6279]

I literally was about to say this. And the woman in the studio is smiling! This story does not sound right, but apparently everyone in the comments are much wiser than these folks.

[@charlesbrazell2136]

@@kishachenee6279 It don't sound right! And that's why the authorities need to do some serious investigating and punish those who may be guilty of abuse and neglect and help the others in this family who are in serious need of help! 12-13-24.

[@Truechildofgod]

Your comment is Nauseating

[@meganwynn372]

But if they will not talk about it, you can't force them to. It's their own fault if they won't take help. If they investigated, and won't say what it is, what can you do?

[@tomarasmith4459]

It sounds to me like the children are a danger to the family. The Parents and other siblings should be able to sleep not worried about being assaulted by a 6"5 mentally unstable person.

Whoever believes that is delusional. Nobody in their right mind would choose to sleep outside in below freezing temperatures. And the boys were happy to accept staying at a friend's house where it's warm. The only reason they're claiming it's their choice is because they love their parents regardless of how they've been treating them, and don't want them ending up in jail. It's as simple as that.

[@nancybrouse5070]

Or maybe if they tell the truth there would be hell to pay. Parents appear to have friends in important places.

[@GojosMiddleFinger]

People litterly sleep in below zero all the time and it their choice. Just because your smoothbrain ass didn't like the outcome. You automatically assume fool play.

[@GojosMiddleFinger]

​@@nancybrouse5070smoothbrain if they were important figure their face and name would have been plaster all over the place before the story even came out

[@GhettoLivinginVegas]

Agreed 💯

[@chillwill6157]

Dont want to listen, get out, i aint mad at the parents at all.

[@ashleamelton3780]

Not suprised how this was flipped back on the kids , This world is unreal

[@stephaniejacksonloeffler2021]

They are clearly don’t feel safe at home

[@leejustice2985]

This is extremely hard to believe that the parents have nothing to do with their 15 year old and 12 year old living on their porch 😳 it is totally appalling. How can the parents lay their heads down in a warm bed when they're babies are living outside in the snow in the cold???

[@DagNeb_It]

I use to do this all the time as a kid. Background, I have autism and behavioral issues. I just could not sleep inside my house my mind would run wild, so I would go outside by myself and find a place to sleep on my parent property. Having parents understand me, have my back, and not having society question my decisions turned me into a nearly functional adult.

[@pohjiebarbosa]

@@DagNeb_ItThis

[@Violet316]

@@DagNeb_It What state did you live in? No one has autism, you are autistic. It is not like having a cold or have the flu, you get over them. My 17 grandson is autistic, he is at a first grade learning level, where we live there are coyotes and occasionally bears. There is no way we would allow him to sleep outside.

[@olorin1710]

Baby huey acting out.

[@smellfartlie]

Both offspring are biological adults-BABY means infant-you AMERICANs are soft

[@loveshangover5062]

Sleeping in that cold weather is child endangerment and the children are covering for the parents

[@Xx-po1fu]

Prove it

[@DavidWalls-sr1pg]

​@@Xx-po1fucongrats on defending child abuse.

[@BlissHarmonyy]

I’m sure their are police reports to back this up

[@user-mp5cg8lt7i]

@@Xx-po1fu Can’t without the kids not being terrified of being taken away by CPS. These kids are smart enough to know they can’t go home and that the state is a terrible parent. Fortunately for these kids, DCFS is eager to get this swept under the rug hence why these kids get to stay elsewhere rather than getting split up in foster care.

[@γένεσις-ο9ψ]

STOCKHOLM SYNDROME

[@WilmaAllen-t6p]

Everything is wrong with this case!!!!

[@annafiorentin7120]

The one lady is going to say this is the most challenging case she's worked on she didn't do anything. Even the news people are blaming the kids. Some parents should not have kids.

[@cynthialowery1063]

As a former DSS worker I called bull on his story and from what I saw briefly of that young man, he is no 225 pounds more like 150 that preacher got something on somebody high up in the community

[@patrickmarz8227]

Yup DSS worker you go on your feelings instead of facts

[@Diana734]

No. There is no way the kids wanted to be on the porch.

[@babybluepradas1]

U bttr speak a damn true word i dont think he attacked another member i think he attacked tht father and they put his ass out on tht porch

[@llhll8264]

You people are part of the problem.

[@shermrock345]

​@@babybluepradas1yep 👍 me of those my roof my rules and put them out then the parents may have changed their mind and said they can come back but by then the kids had to much pride. But they still lied because they don't wanna get their parents in trouble. All of them got their story straight so they didn't get in trouble. Child abuse or neglect is serious crime that can come with some years. Then you have to think about ok if they wanted to be there then why? What or who was so bad in that house that they didn't wanna stay in it? The obvious answer is probably the one that makes the most sense and that's that the parents at some point put the out. I've seen and heard of parents doing some crazy abusive stuff to their kids so if they did make them live on the porch it would not surprise me one but because of all the things I've seen for neglect and stuff.

[@smellfartlie]

Kid means Goat Lamb Sheep

[@γένεσις-ο9ψ]

@@babybluepradas1 And so what if he did!!!!! Doesn't give you the right to put a child on the porch in high and low temperatures for several months. How would we decipher those who abuse and neglect ANYBODY for that matter. Should the larger/tall 8yr old bully who assaults be on the porch too?

[@oedhelsetren]

We need to investigate the police department for such a crappy investigation. How many obvious signs of abuse do you need to see before you do something? What child feels safer and more comfortable sleeping outside, in winter, just feet from a public street where anyone could walk by than in their own room?

[@SugarMollyHazel]

Plus I heard the dad is a pastor. So maybe some of the cops go to their church. And that’s why the wont do anything to help those boys. Thinking they’re a great family, when they’re not behind closed doors.

[@Minksy81]

God bless you two that you've been lucky enough to have never met a stubborn teen 🙄

[@angelicshiba2018]

The sheer amount of teens ive met here that are/were being abused by their pastors or pastor father is staggering...

[@angelicshiba2018]

​@@Minksy81 Damn, your really out here flexing the fact youve never been abused, lucky you i guess??

[@oedhelsetren]

@@Minksy81 I was a nanny who cared for kids all over the behavior spectrum. "Bad" children are generally a reflection of their parents poor communication skills and potential abuse.

[@stacyjpoliticscommunityfai359]

I still don’t understand how they can pastor a church when their own house is completely out of order. They need to be signed into a group home because sleeping outdoors is a no. Coming in late at night when they want to is also a no.

[@Chris-z9e]

Religion can twist....

[@lucy9698]

Just because someone is religious, or claims to be, doesn't automatically make them a good person or even a decent human being. Surely I don't have to mention church and children here to make a point.

[@lizziedanse8335]

I wonder why they haven't convinced the kids to sleep at the church at least.

[@D-Reality]

For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church? 1tim3v5

[@kishataylor6194]

​@@D-Realityalright get them some help then since you so scared of them

[@Backwoodz207]

I’d be suing every news station that walked on my porch and spread false information.

[@debh5780]

What’s false about it ? Kids are sleeping in the freezing cold.

[@Backwoodz207]

@ news and neighborhood saying the parents made them sleep out there 🤦🏻‍♂️😂. Facts are, the kids were and have chosen to sleep out there even with their parents trying to get them inside. Not to mention the news crews coming on their private property recording all their belongings without consent. It’s one thing to get a video from the road or sidewalk but they straight up trespassing while recording windows, doors and sleeping area for children.

[@r8chlletters]

Something was wrong with this family. The kids were initially punished, then refused to go inside.

[@tremurder2743]

No child wants to SLEEP outside in the COLD??🤔🤔 COME ON????

[@spiritualcosmeticss]

Mental health?!

[@monie2514]

When you get a chance to actually know who the parents are they are they are phony liars and they've been like that for years. When you get a chance to deal with them and know how they operate and how they family operates in the last 30 years it makes perfectly good sense. The father has threatened if they tell anybody and he goes to jail what he's going to do and the boys are afraid to tell but it's going to come out.

[@allthingsharbor]

If the 15 year old is already into criminal behavior then who knows what he is doing while out of the house at night. He might want the easy access for his crimes.

[@MorganTakatch]

Have you ever met a stubborn teen? They'd stay in a crap situation if it meant they got their way

[@StamperWendy]

Right?

[@emmiewilson5024]

Praying for the whole family ❤

[@tf8187]

Some details are missing

[@charlesbrazell2136]

F-ckin' right some details are DEFINITELY missing! 12-11-24.

[@angelicshiba2018]

All of them, police covering up for dad for sure

[@Snickerdoodle4U-q2v]

I’m sure there are many details not shared with the public. I also don’t believe it is a cover up to spare the dad but to spare the child/children. The details we’ve gained here is there is a 6’ 2 I think 12 year old weighing at 250lbs, who has a history of being violent and declared that he will sleep on the porch. Mental illness would be my guess.

[@charlesbrazell2136]

@@Snickerdoodle4U-q2v I believe the child in question is about 6'2" tall, but is the age of 15 years old(the other boy is 12), and weighs about 225; well, that's as best as I can tell you about it at this point in time. 12-14-24.

[@debstimesmith]

Parents have the responsibility to keep their minor kids safe. Kids should not have to lie to protect parents from criminal charges.

[@tiffanymarie9750]

BS. Those parents are abusing those children, either by making them sleep outside as a punishment or by making the inside of the home so inhospitable that outside is a better option. The kids won't say anything about abuse, because abused kids learn pretty why they can't trust the system to help them and speaking out can lead to retaliation by the parents. This entire situation is outrageous.

[@Inher_peacefulplace]

The crazy thing is, as a person who currently work with unhoused teens, you’ll be surprised how many of them choose to be unhoused, even when being offered a warm place to stay. I see it everyday. I had a teen, that was pregnant, choosing to stay with her abusive partner, in a tent in the dead of winter, even though she could go home, or go into a shelter, because she didn’t want to follow “rules”. It’s hard for some people to fathom, but some unhoused people choose their circumstances.

[@bonsaidouglas9180]

They're not HOMELESS . The word is homeless not unhoused. Quit destroying our language

[@ashleywatkins1380]

​. Right? I hate that word "unhoused" 😂

[@Inher_peacefulplace]

@@bonsaidouglas9180 I’m not sure how, I’m destroying a whole language by using the word unhoused. However in this context the reason I used it, is because 1. I agree that the teens are not HOMELESS, especially if they chose the circumstances. 2. they are sleeping outside, so that makes them not inside a house so I used the term unhoused. My bad if that triggered you, but whatever problem, you have with the word, take that up within. I pray you have an amazing day.

[@iamautumnfoxx]

I could definitely see that

[@moosky7344]

Bad things happen in those shelter's that's why,also their freedom is taken what little they have left,so the streets are better away from abusive strangers in those shelter's who do alsorts and catch thing's,from sick all cooped up together,now offer them a nice hotel room and they'd be ok with that like what happpened in the pandemic

[@v.v.6551]

You don't let your kids tell you what they are going to do, parents don't want to parent any more.

[@lisahughes6313]

Agree 💯 . So sick of hearing parents say they afraid of their children. Just too lazy to parent & would be the 1st to cuz out everyone else but your "scared" of your kid. Pathetic

[@denisewilliams9806]

How do you make a 6'2 200lb kid with aggressive tendencies do anything?

[@FalconsGirl1]

Exactly! My mama would’ve knocked me silly talking about sleeping on a damn porch

[@nca4794]

​@@denisewilliams9806thinking practically, the moment something physical happens, the cops will be called, then what?! Either one or both parents end up with law enforcement or one or both of the kids. One child is already in the system. Maybe they are trying not to make things worse? This is crazy though.

[@tituslowman5957]

I agree, how ever have you seen some of the videos on line of some of these crazy obnoxious kids? Part is the parents messing up, part is the school interfering with their views and values, watching videos online of others acting like jackasses.

[@jermelpurse3018]

WTH no no no you’re telling me the kids said no we wanted to sleep outside in the cold we chose to do that. Mom dad I’m going to sleep on the porch. I realized that the police are saying when we questioned the children they said they wanted to sleep on the porch. My question is why did the parents not tell them get your ass in this house? Do you know when it’s freezing cold outside? Your parents typically tell you that you cannot sleep on the porch. Then you have to ask yourself let’s assume one child wanted to do it. Why would another child want to sleep on the porch brush their teeth outside damn near live outside. Why would you choose to do this and I don’t wanna hear well they said they wanted to because there’s more to it. Most normal kids don’t just choose to do that and even if they did a normal parent would say no you don’t have that option.

[@daniellereid7576]

Ryte they act like they was brain washed to want to sleep outside and parents couldn’t beat them to make them stay inside warm home cool air In summer time so they saying the kids wanted to live like that yeah right something up with that family they need to keep a eye on them forever it’s more to it these kids not telling

[@charlesbrazell2136]

I agree, like maybe there might've been some kind of abuse going on, coming from the parents, and after so long the boy(s) became too big to handle, but didn't have any place else to go-and no one in that family would tell anyone else about what was really going on in that family, that led to this bizzare incident. And I believe like you said, there's more going on with this situation, than has been told! 12-11-24.

[@pohjiebarbosa]

As an autistic, I’m guessing they have autism which explains the strange sleep arrangements.

[@laurenj.5312]

​@pohjiebarbosa even you will feel cold with Temps near the teens. In less than a month Detroit will be below 0F for most nights. Do you live in a child climate like that? Frost bite hurts and it will take limbs. A star basketball player should be aware of how important his fingers are.

[@PinkHeart89]

@@daniellereid7576why not turn to spell and how to form a sentence instead of just one big sentence 🤦‍♀️🤣 wonder why our society is f**ked up.

[@pjt3887]

Did you all see that toothbrush That looks like a toothbrush I've used to scrub grout with for the last 5 years. Sometimes neglect isn't hitting a child. Hope these boys get a better home life.

[@carolinewade7943]

I talked to my children about the sad situation with the children sleeping out on the freezing weather and I definitely remember the dirty toothbrush outside with their belongings 💔 😢

[@MrHappyGoLucky]

NO. A child does not choose to sleep outside on the hard, cold floor in the winter instead of inside a warm home with a bed. And a fit parent would never allow them to be exposed to that danger. This is child abuse no matter which way you look at it.

[@mrsdraper171]

I don't believe this story.

[@barbarajean6377]

What don't you believe? I live in Detroit. The boys started sleeping on the porch in July. Believe it!

[@Onemorgantolove]

Who believe a 12 and 15 years old rather to sleep outside than inside?

[@samaraisnt]

👩‍🦯👨‍🦯🧑‍🦯

[@debh5780]

Not me ! Maybe 1/2 a night that’s it ! 😮

[@christinajones93]

Please, this is BS they are trying to use the sons behavior to say they didn't do anything wrong

[@debh5780]

Correct ! Hands thrown up “we can’t control him” Sorry not an option ! The jobs for life. 😮

[@Shaniqua63]

Meanwhile - a young mom was arrested because her 10 or 11 yr old snuck off and walked 1 mile to a store.

[@sweetcherry7759]

Did anyone consider asking the _kids themselves_ why they’d prefer sleeping out in the cold vs their nice warm beds inside?

[@rn2787]

I love how all these people are so naive. I've been in the system and if they did choose the porch, it's much worse than the parents forcing them to. Something is very, very wrong and if people don't pay attention and figure out what is happening to those kids, it will be disastrous.

[@angelicshiba2018]

I can guarantee the people praising the parents are just as bad as the parents

[@FalconsGirl1]

Naiveeeeeeee

[@rn2787]

@angelicshiba2018 of course, they are. Unfortunately, some congregations are just mini cults. They don't get the same amount of attention, but honestly, that's worse. They don't get caught until something horrible happens. Mega cult churches have hundreds of thousands of people scrutinizing everything they do so they are much better at hiding it.

[@samaraisnt]

dad a pastor, nuff said.

[@chillwill6157]

Stop making excuses for these so called kids, its obvious they bad as hell.

[@grititandgetit]

2 kids who choose by their own free will to sleep outdoors ..this is the Commander biggest challenge ever faced in her career...What a soft job she has

[@groundhog-plays]

Yeah normally it's really easy for her to take the children away from the parents but not this time... suppppeeerrr challenging.

[@grititandgetit]

@groundhog-plays the children don't necessarily need to be removed from the home as stated kids have access to a home all they have to do is walk through the front door...this is completely the kids choice.s.these kids today are on some different frequency the parents are providing all resources

[@user-mp5cg8lt7i]

@@grititandgetit And yet something about the parents has these kids choosing to do without those resources during a Michigan winter. Nah, these parents might not be criminally negligent, but they’re definitely never seeing their kids again as soon as they turn 18.

[@smellfartlie]

Child means Parental offspring of any age

[@smellfartlie]

Kid means Goat Lamb Sheep

[@shannonmccord8981]

The condition of the tooth brush says it all.

[@110311DONTWANTCHANNE]

of course kids will say they chose it, that is what abused kids do. if they will stay inside with family friends, that indicates there is a problem in this home.

[@traceygrant3386]

Ain’t no way a child would want to stay outside in the freezing cold or extreme heat rather than being in a warm house in the winter. There has to be a reason. Why did they decide to stay with friends. Something doesn’t sound right.

[@Pigeon6666]

The parents should not permit them to do this. Child endangerment.

[@nancybrouse5070]

Parents should be charged with child abuse.

[@corunmila1]

The parents probably told them “ as long as youre living in my house, youll live by my rules” so the boys moved out onto the porch.

[@jessicakruger7]

Amen. Totally agree.

[@aprilstone31]

Sounds about right! These kids are not the same 15 year olds as 20 years ago. Who knows what’s been going on, really.

[@EmpressofChrist]

🎉

[@TheMoparsrule]

I call BS if the parents are so concerned they would have made provisions for them to stay somewhere warm. When I was younger and almost 18 I did not want to follow all the rules. My parents found a place with an older family friend and they helped me get a room in his house that was a block away. I loved it I could have my freedom I could go home to visit anytime. Mr Jones told me all the old stories and we watched all the old westerns. Best decision my parents could have made.

[@KharlBlackmore]

You were lucky because if you can't follow rules it's not a parent duty to find somewhere for you to stay .

[@CocoChanel-r2b]

It definitely is! Ur children are UR RESPONSIBILITY UNTIL THEY BECOME ADULTS THEMSELVES!

[@BlissHarmonyy]

How about don’t be a bratty kid who has to have their way. Your parents were enablers

[@jslack8973]

@@CocoChanel-r2boh really?…

[@pohjiebarbosa]

Thats very cool and you were very lucky. Being autistic and a bizarre sleeper myself, I’m guessing this is behavioral caused by sensory issues.

[@watchwoman4christ379]

So they want to sleep on the porch but now lives with family???

[@simoneHaritos]

What were those kids doing outside without an adult person to look over them? Thats crazy. 😢

[@reggked-i3k]

We do not have enough resources for our kids in Detroit

[@Lamar-ok5sl]

Bingo!

[@DavidWalls-sr1pg]

What does this mean exactly?

[@γένεσις-ο9ψ]

@@DavidWalls-sr1pg That they take care of dogs/cats better.

[@greatwhite3676]

thank democrats you keep voting for

[@Protek2ndamndmnt]

Maybe the house was infested with fleas or its filthy or maybe the parents are strict, or super religious because the children are inside with family friends, why do they prefer to be inside someone elses home other than their own?..something isnt right...just saying.

[@Sarahalwaysright]

Something totally isn't right

[@fatonyalmitchell3281]

Odd Story but I believe kids doing whatever they need for whatever reason ❤

[@ravenc4912]

Super religious? lol

[@nca4794]

It's not illegal to be religious or strict. If the children feel it's in their best interest to be outside instead of listen to their parents, what options are left? If they force them to be inside, that's a 911 call waiting to happen.

[@scrapjack6714]

@@nca4794 it’s not illegal to be religious, it’s also not illegal to acknowledge that stricter religions/denominations tend to attract abusive POS’s that use religion as an excuse to harm their kids.

[@Balletcalvero]

Never heard of ANY parent being ok with their children deciding to sleep outside in 5° weather. A normal parent would get their kids asses inside the house immediately.

[@Starz_wicc]

Sleeping on the porch cause you wanna act like your grown and don’t wanna listen to your parents is crazy work

[@ihavenoass1126]

2:36 Just for that toothbrush those boys need to be 51 50’ed . There’s definitely an unaddressed mental heath crisis going on there and the parents are doing nothing. It’s unacceptable to be sleeping in the freezing cold. That is your child do something.

[@lynncollver6067]

Kids are not going to tell on parents .. something is very wrong here. 😢 Jesus Christ, please convict the one who needs it and remove what is not of You in every way. Amen

[@Goldieslaxx9]

Amen

[@User_U571]

Your comment comes off as one of those people who use Jesus Christ as a replacement for a curse word that’s what I thought it was at first…. I personally just don’t get the whole praying in a comment section anyways it’s always been weird to me, like pray in the real world sorry no offense just saying and the internet isn’t God Sorry, not wanting to be a jerk just how I see it. Prayer is still always a really good thing, if I ever do it right myself is another matter. 😅

[@sdjames2580]

SMH. What is so bad that they would rather sleep outside in the cold, instead of in the comforts of their own home? Someone is Physically, Mentally and Emotionally hurting those boy!!

[@darlenemc3586]

The son is 6'5 220 lbs and only 15 yrs. old and has behaviour issues. The parents are afraid of having a confrontation with him and I don't blame them. I pray everything works out!

[@ceceprincess4758]

That skinny kid

[@samaraisnt]

bruh you’re victim blaming a child who is sleeping out of doors…evaluate yourself. doesn’t matter if he’s damn jolly green giant, he is a BOY and still needs parents protection and love. Obviously he’s not getting it. but don’t blame his physique that’s twisted. Children can’t help how fast they grow sheesh

[@darlenemc3586]

@@samaraisnt The kids chose to sleep outside and the son is larger than the parents and they were afraid of him. He chose to be outside. How does a smaller parent deal with an autistic child like that? This is why they are not charged with child endangerment or abandonment. These are not my thoughts or feelings! This is the essence of the story!

[@s.rogers5773]

"has behavior issues"...lol. As if he went and picked those issues up from the grocery store. 9/10 if a child has behavioral issues it's because something in that house caused it. Show me a child that's out of hand and I'll show you a parent who most likely made them that way. The kids are the only victims.

[@darlenemc3586]

@@s.rogers5773 behavior issues probably means he has autism. I have autism and I'm 68 yrs old. Kids are killing parents these days and I cannot fault the parents for letting him have his way. It's hard to force a 15 year old to do anything.

[@lionfish-j2m]

I don't believe it , those boys wouldn't volunteer to sleep in Freezing snowy weather !!! . Something is wrong with this story 😮.

[@daledimidome5519]

Such a sad story. I really hope these kids and their families have a wonderful life. I’m sorry they’re going through this it’s been so cold recently.

[@ChanelleBailey]

I sadly believe it. I had a uncle who was told come in as a teen by 10 and not he would be sleeping outside, he willingly chose to sleep outside at times to come and leave as he wanted in the night.Thay was better than a curfew to him.Every parent isnt abusive but lets face it these kids try to kill their parents, dont want to come home on time,want to live there but not clean. They in fact chose that porch. Now that its winter they regret it.

[@livingstreams4677]

It's sad but true. In order for both parent and kids not to hurt each other, they come to some agreement. Some parents are literally afraid of their kids because they know the kid will seriously injure or harm them.

[@flaggov6949]

​@@livingstreams4677 And this 6'5" 229lb kid already has assault charges.

[@soniagalindo7589]

So if they chose to sleep there, how about enclosing the porch and at least adding some heating system and roll out mattress?

[@daniellereid7576]

Ryte I don’t believe that those kids seem brain washed what teen want to sleep outside even homeless teens want a nice warm bed n meal

[@soniagalindo7589]

@@daniellereid7576 For sure

[@Sarahalwaysright]

When they asked the boy on camera why he was sleep on porch he said abuse.

[@propainaccessories]

This follow up don't even sound right.

[@VeeAmericanEagle]

@@Sarahalwaysrightdamn that’s sad and make sense. Because if they were to be inside, they probably would get beat or yell and they don’t want now of that? 😢😢

[@lynncollver6067]

There's a reason . God , You know. Please reveal the truth of this situation. Thank You. Amen

[@Goldieslaxx9]

Amen

[@marvellaharbin877]

Amen

[@leelafuturama9198]

So ... They get themselves to school They are good students One excels in sports They dont have a problem anywhere else And yet no one thinks its odd or that something is wrong with them sleeping on the porch in freezing weather, for months?!? Was that family member being inappropriate to him and the parents didnt defend them or stop it...like with Oprah, and so many others who tell and no one does anything about it. What happened in that house that those CHILDREN don't feel safe?

[@jovonpierce7610]

There's something going on that hasn't been discovered or is being covered up. No one would sleep outside, on a porch, in a Michigan winter. And, if it was by choice, why are they sleeping, inside, at relatives' houses?

[@ShaShaLuva414]

These boys really need to talk to someone that maybe they trust to tell what and why this happened to them. Anyone in their RIGHT mind will not sleep out in the cold nor the heat just because they want to. We need to dig deep.

[@debh5780]

And with someone better qualified !!! 😮

[@cherylmysliwczyk5716]

I liked sleeping in my closet because it felt safe. There were reasons.

[@checle4499]

As a teen, I would sneak out a window in the dead of night to walk several blocks in the brutal cold Ohio winters to meet up with friends, snow hip deep and crazy dark. Kids are stupid, no concept of their own mortality. They probably think they are "safe" on the porch because teens "know" more than adults do, right? Older brother holds more sway over the younger one than the parents. Hoping they can find some sort of resolution before the older one gets in more trouble, taking his brother with him. I had a daughter who would do this kind of nonsense. She grew up, is a mom with kids of her own but still no reasoning with her.

[@scrapjack6714]

They were taken in by family when they found out what was happening.

[@YepItsYouSorry]

Then why did they go to the family members house when offered? Critical thinking is missing

[@TessBoze]

Time for you to mind your own bees wax rather than still trying to control a gown woman’s life

[@charlesbrazell2136]

This now says to me one of 2 things: 1) that something horrible took place within that house-and I don't think the mother was responsible for what that horrible thing was, or: 2) the 15 year-old, who is 6'5" and 225 pounds, had presented himself with such a threat to the safety of the parents that it was agreed upon by all of the family members, that the boys would sleep out on the porch(but why would the 12 year-old join him)? Somehow, all of this still doesn't set right with me, and I'm looking to hear some more about exactly why those boys-both a 12 and 15 year-old-would sleep out in this kind of cold that we've been having lately, rather than go somewhere else, even if it's another family member or friend, where it's safe and warm? 12-16-24.

[@Emmadaniels100]

It is child neglect to let the children sleep on the porch. The children should not be allowed to make such a decision. The parents sound foolish to say the children chose to sleep on the porch.

[@SheliaRPierre]

So glad the young men is safe inside with other family members. The parents may not be legally charged, but this story won't be forgotten. Wishing the young men the best!🙏

[@lollipopmissfit]

They are children. They can't choose to sleep outside and parents do nothing. Not even mental health help.

[@brown_eyed_girl]

I 100% do NOT believe these children are telling the truth…These children need some mental help health counseling!!

[@kellycuckoo3143]

This is beyond incomprehensible. Obviously there is so much more going on. Somebody help these kids. If they’re choosing this clearly they need mental evaluations.

[@mhermit]

I have a feeling if we met the 15 year old this would make a lot more sense.

[@kikiandkids]

Even our children suffer from mental illness so sad

[@TheWBWoman]

That’s BS! Those parents lied. Teens don’t live voluntarily on a porch. Period.

[@lyricistdean]

Even if the kids wanted to sleep outside it’s the parent’s job to make sure they are safe. The neighbors say the boys were going to the bathroom outside.

[@bmac6841]

A good supper; a clean, safe home; help with homework if needed; a warm shower; clean and comfortable pajamas...I’ll sleep inside if those things are provided, thank you very much.

[@lisazappala4381]

Children should sleep in their beds in the house unless their parents are doing bad things. Children need to do what their told

[@PoppyLewis-q9q]

It is crazy if children can make choices like that they can do what they want anytime. So how do you make sure you're keeping your kids safe if they're sleeping outside on the porch

[@hugdablok6162]

My mama would have never went for this BS

[@tonyafannings9602]

I believe that the parents is lieing i believe something else is going that the parents are not saying

[@ladywed2699]

That older father must fight him and the little brother wants to protect his brother. There are secrets here.

[@Truechildofgod]

A bunch of people who don’t even know what their OWN children are for dinner have the nerve to harass this family. Dishonor and shame on all of you

[@araeshkigal]

Wish more people with a background in psych would get on here.... 1. Sometimes, it really isn't "the parents are abusive." Sometimes the problem *starts* with the *child.* We don't *know* what causes a brain to become psychotic. Yes it travels in family lines, but it's just not that simple. We also don't know how some psychotics (1/1000 people you know is fully psychotic according to most study models) to manage to be relatively normal and productive non-criminal members of society, vs. the ones who go utterly bonkers or become dangerous (it's never been as simple as age, race, gender, religious background, socioeconomic group etc.) 2. A psychotic child who has gone "bonkers" for whatever reason WILL harm themselves if it serves their warped purpose to do so. I've watched kids with oppositional defiance disorder refuse *water* to the point of having to be made inpatients and be given IV fluids. Do you know how hard it is to truly shut down the thirst urge? Try going without ANY water for more than a few hours. Most people can't make it past the very first stages of dehydration without a strong distraction...but they do, and it's *dangerous*. Children will also engage in anorexic behavior to the point of critical health risk. Sleeping on the porch sounds more like a narcissistic disorder...the narcissistic child doing something that causes the parents (who are possibly the abuse *victims* in this case) serious upset, while not *really* being a huge danger (male teen kids sleeping on the porch isn't going to being too many criminals out of the woodwork to mess with them, and they can just go t.f. inside as the weather gets colder). My biggest concern is that it seems the older brother with the issues has roped in the younger brother as an ally. 3. Some of you have never done survival camping and it shows. Properly layered in the number of blankets I saw on that porch, there'd be *very* little danger of any sort of frostbite or hypothermia unless the temperature drops a good bit below freezing (I haven't paid any attention to Detroit weather). Even at around 29F with no heavy wind, these kids would likely be just shy of *fine* physically on a raised porch wrapped in those bunches of blankets. 4. Having said all that, YES this needs to be heavily investigated. The key to what is really going on in that house will *probably* be that 12 year old. If the parents (or some other adult(s) with authority in that home) are up to something heinous, it's most likely the 12 year old who will be best able to reveal it.