Danganronpa Never Commits

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SojournerKai

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@merkuree 11 ай бұрын

WAIT A MINUTE, THIS GUY HATES ANIME GET HIM

@SojournerKai 11 ай бұрын

SIR PLEASE NO IT WAS JUST A SILLY LITTLE OPINION FROM A SILLY LITTLE GUY

@missingat859 11 ай бұрын

@@SojournerKai I'm sorry sir but THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN!

@sliceninja4546 10 ай бұрын

@@SojournerKai GET THE FORKS MEN! CHARGE!

@Jolynesimpnumber4 8 ай бұрын

@@SojournerKaiI’m sorry we already set up the execution dock.

@Patodeagua213 3 ай бұрын

@@SojournerKai sorry, we already send goku

@Izzyisneon 11 ай бұрын

don't mess with us danganronpa fans we dont even like the series

@user-AADZ 3 ай бұрын

Then what's entire point of being fans? :crazypose:

@Rainydayz6478 3 ай бұрын

I agree with this cause it is so interesting but also so dumb like who doesn't know what an octagon

@ВикторияВоронова-ф3о 3 ай бұрын

@@Rainydayz6478omg explaining again nagito said octagon in english in japanese version, that’s why hajime didn’t understand (he doesn’t know english well)

@Rainydayz6478 3 ай бұрын

@@ВикторияВоронова-ф3о if they tried to make Nagito say octagon in a different language (in the English dub) I probably won't be making fun of it but they didn't so I'm still gonna make fun of it

@xozo1929 3 ай бұрын

@@Rainydayz6478 do you know what a 八角形 is?

@ThatMexicanGuy11037 2 ай бұрын

Criticizing Danganronpa? That's every Danganronpa fan's favorite hobby!

@normanclatcher 2 ай бұрын

Collective trauma processing.

@genericname2747 2 ай бұрын

I love the idea and story of Danganronpa. I have never played the games and also the story is inconsistent. But some of the characters have cool concepts behind them!

@rainylupin 2 ай бұрын

"I know she stabbed him with a knife-" "BUT CAN YOU SPELL THE WORD KNIFE?!" "...yeah?" "IN THIS FUN GAME?" (several letters floating about to dumb music) "I need a K." "MAKE SURE YOU PICK THE RIGHT LETTERS!" "I can't spell 'knife' without a K." "AND IF DIFFERENT LETTERS TOUCH, THEY EXPLODE!" "There's no K!" "YOU GET TO MAKE A COMIC BOOK AFTER THIS!"

@normanclatcher 2 ай бұрын

ProZD is the best for fandom spaces.

@loren5432 2 ай бұрын

You forgot the final rhythm game against the culprit where they are pretty much exposed and have no way of talking their way out of their situation, but if you lose everyone develops collective amnesia and votes the protagonist who 99% of the times isn't even remotely connected to the crime itself. I guess it's Japan's way of saying: you are either good at rhythm games, or you should unalive yourself.

@normanclatcher 2 ай бұрын

@@loren5432 Their legal system be like: "when in doubt, you're guilty; dance out."

@frozentanukii Ай бұрын

@@loren5432 Mate you can just say 'kill', John KZbin isn't going to descend upon your location and blow your house up if you don't censor every word you say.

@yaboiaxl1216 2 ай бұрын

I love how every danganronpa video essay is criticising it constantly, only to end on "though this game series is objectively bad, I still kinda love it"

@RoyalFusilier Ай бұрын

This goes well with the fanbase, who flood in like "Heard you were talking shit about my favorite franchise! Here, let us join in..."

@adenlarios Ай бұрын

As for me, I don't like the game at all. I had fun with it back then but looking back it isn't that good at all. The fandom especially is a disaster full of disgusting people.

@thewewguy8t88 Ай бұрын

That's actually how I feel.

@Yoyokuro Ай бұрын

I hate Danganronpa so much to the point I like it

@ZekromZeke 26 күн бұрын

Relatable

@Bro-ne5uu 3 ай бұрын

I feel like the original Distrust concept would've been cooler (Distrust the game's original name before it was changed). This version of the game would've had a Distrust meter which would go up and down depending on your actions and your interactions with the other students. This would influence how things would go in the class trials. There were also multiple different killers and victims that could happen depending on your decisions. I think the investigation was stricter as well.

@techy804 2 ай бұрын

I went into THH thinking it would be like this. I hope someone makes a mod that does this, but the mods that we currently have just replace the students with jpegs of John Cena.

@prncessy 2 ай бұрын

yeah my biggest wish as i saw the franchise grew was that they would make a noveltyish throwback to thh and produce distrust considering they probably have/had a big enough fanbase for the cost to be covered. as my all time favourite game is until dawn, if they went down that style of gameplay combined with the already pre-existing thh characters it couldve made an awesome game

@ondiiina 2 ай бұрын

Yes! Distrust had killers and victims be decided by your interactions. It was set to happen during 7 days, a short timeline, with the game paying attention to your actions. Darker and more adult, it'd be the perfect send-off to an iconic franchise and gift to fans. Kodaka might not want to make another DR, and thank God because his writing showed how much he hated it (NDRV3 being a direct call-out and DR3 being utter shit), but his first vision for THH, something that is so different could be up his alley. No big storyline, no world building Ultimate shit, just a dozen teens stuck in some kind of hangar/whatever the building was and slowly going crazy to the point of brutally murdering their would-be classmate if you're not careful enough. This is the kind of game, on a gameplay mechanic standpoint, that is insanely popular right now. It's feasible, it's easier to do than in the 2000s. People are also beginning to love darker games, think Fear&Hunger, and DR fans are old enough to enjoy it. It'd also be good for his new studio and prove that he can write something different from DR (which sorry but he still hasn't done, on top of keeping the same artist most of the time, his writing is very DR-like). This is the perfect time to bring Distrust back!

@bemiatto67 2 ай бұрын

I wish we got a one off spin off game that brought back that concept for the 10th Anniversary than the beach game

@ruzeon6125 2 ай бұрын

It would be incredibly difficult to make such mechanic. Also building plot around that would be near impossible, but the idea is super fascinating I agree.

@mahimeghan 11 ай бұрын

Okay, about ten minutes in, and the free time event thing. I think there’s one character who actively goes against her free time events in trial, and that’s Maki Harukawa. If you play her free time segments, she alludes to having another girl from her orphanage she was super close to, and that she became an assassin in order to protect her. Yet in Kaito’s trial, she says that he was the first person she wanted to protect…? Something along those lines, it’s been a minute. But playing her free times makes the conclusion of the fifth trial in that game feel worse because of it, like they were trying to invalidate the ties she had to her best friend. So bizarre to me.

@stardust62058 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, felt a bit strange. Would've felt better if it was something like "first time in a long time." Would've also made the free time event feel worthwhile.

@Nosretep 11 ай бұрын

This isn't the first time a FTE had some consistency errors look at Tetuteru.

@phrog5009 11 ай бұрын

Also, Ryoma's FTEs directly ruin his character! He tries to work and get better and appears to be healing from his depression but then Chapter 2 throws that all down the drain.

@stardust62058 11 ай бұрын

@phrog5009 I actually liked that. Ryoma was someone who was trying to get better, and not just in his FTEs. He even told Kaito he'd try to be better iirc. Chapter 2 was a tragedy because a character arc was expected, but then his life was cut short. In this case, Danganronpa did the whole free time thing right, because we did actually see another side of a character, and that side died with them.

@phrog5009 11 ай бұрын

@@stardust62058 Chapter 2 demonstrates that he saw his motive video and gave up, though?

@TheRealOne-cg8il 11 ай бұрын

Actually, have you ever heard of 'Your Turn To Die' (Kimi ga Shine)? It is also a Japanese game and, similar to Danganronpa, its a death game with multiple characters. Its genre is a visual novel, but that doesn't hold it back, rather it may actually amplify it. In my opinion, 'Your Turn To Die' is way better than Danganronpa in terms of story, character, and effective writing. This game will make you feel downright guilty and depressed by using gameplay and story. That's why this game requires gameplay. The story is masterful on its own, but the gameplay puts that intractability and uses it to its maximum effect. I highly recommend this game if you haven't played it. I'd love to see your thoughts and views on it.

@roca7268 11 ай бұрын

I see a YTTD mention, I click like! I don't think YTTD is perfect by any means: after all, it's an indie visual novel made by just one person, with basically zero budget, that can even be played for free on browser. But there are things in YTTD that became very, very special to me, and those things are the reasons why I'm a fan.

@TheRealOne-cg8il 11 ай бұрын

@roca7268 absolutely agree 👏

@morningbell3690 10 ай бұрын

YTTD is better in almost every way besides OST (Although the Remixed patch sort of makes up for that)

@VividVirid 4 ай бұрын

I think I’ve heard of that one

@kindbear6910 4 ай бұрын

I played it, and it's a very fun game. I felt awful for killing the red haired student, our best friend, and the job hopping guy. The best part of it is that the protagonist, Sara I think, isn't one noted like the Danganronpa protagonists. P.S. I forgot the names because it's been so long since I played. Sorry.

@draconisP 4 ай бұрын

being hyperfixated on danganronpa and agreeing with every single thing in this video is like being the danganronpa story line. you contradict yourself

@Harukaluin19 3 ай бұрын

Humans are contradictory by nature. That aside honestly Danganronpa always feels like a template for something greater , but you can never be fully satisfied with the raw material you are given

@fayybeu 2 ай бұрын

@@Harukaluin19 pfp checks out

@flatwhitecanvas1658 Ай бұрын

Dare to contain multitudes

@KusukusuMonster Ай бұрын

So basically the video is "I hate anime" and also "I hate visual novels" and so "I hate danganronpa" Like, do I even need to watch the other hour of the video when you spend the first 10 minutes just going "I hate X thing" Ok, you hate it, whatever then.

@ThatguycalledJoe 11 ай бұрын

There's a difference between a player driven mystery and a character driven mystery and Danganronpa is 100% a character driven mystery. It's not up to you to figure out what happened, it's up to the protagonist to solve it and you're just along for the ride to drive their actions. I also just hate Junky as a character for turning into Sigma and posthumously warping the series around herself.

@sliceninja4546 11 ай бұрын

The whole point of a murder mystery is to allow the reader to predict who the killer is with the clues that are presented. Danganronpa fails at that with its bad writing and illogical conclusions. By saying that the reader is supposed to not figure out what is possibly happening. Is basically invaliding their intelligence.

@morningbell3690 10 ай бұрын

@@sliceninja4546some cases succeed at this, some don’t. If anything it makes character interactions more annoying.

@sliceninja4546 10 ай бұрын

@@morningbell3690 I disagree, almost all dr cases give you enough evidence that having a trial is worthless. Though I do agree, it does make the character conversations/discussions annoying since most of these cases can simply end in a couple of mins if the writers didn't obv wanted to stretch out the trials.

@Kobaaming090 5 ай бұрын

Isn't the whole point of a murder mystery the thrill of figuring it out

@ThatguycalledJoe 5 ай бұрын

@@Kobaaming090 Maybe.

@puff2813 2 ай бұрын

1:00:40 one critique i have is that junko doesnt like having way outs and 100% foolproof plans. she met kamakura because there was a possibility that her plan would fail and she would fall into a deeper sense of despair, which she craves desperately. everything she does is to satiate her boredom through trying to manufacture unpredictable events which could end in unparalleled levels of despair - whether for her peers, the world, or herself. thats the essence of her character and what makes her the ultimate despair.

@JDubs1464 3 ай бұрын

Something about the characters talents is that a lot of them are altered, some just in wording, some that can be seen as a different talent. Aoi Asahina from the first game is the SHSL Swimmer in Japan, but in localizations, she becomes the Ultimate Swimming Pro. It’s a slight change. Take Ibuki Mioda from the second game though, she goes from SHSL Light Music Club Member, which is a type of after school club that is the basis for shows like K-on!, compared to her English title as the very broad Ultimate Musician.

@gumbitoicic9977 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I hate how it they don't really make it clear that it's supposed to be a high school level talent, it's especially annoying to me in fan games

@starzeyqueyt4228 2 ай бұрын

Or junko going from the ultimate gyaru to the ultimate fashionista

@fablor9900 Ай бұрын

@@starzeyqueyt4228 apologies, but from what I know, are those not more or less the same? Gyaru's are normally very "American Urbanite", and American Urbanite girls are (from my knowledge), very much into streetwear and fashion in general.

@viaxxl Ай бұрын

@@starzeyqueyt4228I like Junko being only the Ult. Gyaru because she’s always in gyaru and not any other fashion

@hahahahahahahahahaahaaaa Ай бұрын

@@fablor9900No, they're not the same. Fashionista implies a very broad talent, like she's a model for brands or does all kinds of fashion + critiques all kinds of styles. But she isn't, she does 1 singular aesthetic and is really good at it. Gyaru.

@krazykillerhippo Ай бұрын

"I'm not exactly an anime guy. There are exceptions, notably these mainstream picks, but i just didn't find what i wanted out of these other shows that were tonally different and probably meant for a seperate audience. With this said, here is a video essay on a series which has a principle appeal in indulging and exaggerating tropes i don't find appealing". Hmm. No offense, but is there a factory out there that keeps producing you guys?

@buttercupghost 11 ай бұрын

Hey, long time Danganronpa fan here. Probably since 2014/2015? I've written 319 fanfiction on the series (why yes, I am autistic, why do you ask?), and am certifiably obsessed. That being said, I tried to go into this with an open mind. I have a LOT of criticism of Danganronpa (no one hates Danganronpa more than the people who love it), and so I was definitely interested in what you had to say. First, regarding consequences of the game - I admit I never felt the stakes were low, but that's because I have a crippling fear of failure and tend to be a perfectionist - even failing trival things, like Danganronpa, can send me spiralling. This is something I'm trying to work on, because it's not healthy. But it does mean for me, personally, the stakes never felt that low. Looking at it objectively they definitely were, but I don't really see it as a negative personally (even if it's totally valid to do so). I'm not good at video games despite being very interested in them, so I don't mind being spoonfed (to a degree, though I agree that some of the game play is just not very good in some cases-plus I also agree that the dialogue can get. Pretty freaking repetitive). That being said, something that drove me wild about Danganronpa is how uninspired and repetitive the bad endings you get for failing are. Makoto is always voted as the blackened, even if it doesn't make sense for the trial. It made sense for the first case, as he was framed, but Celestia's, where she framed Yasuhiro? Why would anyone vote for Makoto? I understand Danganronpa is a long game, but I would love to see more creative, varied, and in depth bad endings from them. For example, something that stood out to me regarding Ultra Despair Girls/Another Episode is that it had a very interesting bad ending, something that felt rare for the series - it's definitely my favorite of the one's I've seen. Komaru blowing up all the Monokids heads is so haunting, and her narration is unsettling too and I think very good at envoking that horror - well, at least for Danganronpa. I really wish there was more endings like this one, though it's short it packed a punch. I really like visual novels. I'd call myself a fan of the medium. Specifically games that let you make choices that led to different outcomes/endings. Again, I'm not good at game play, but I have a love for what games are - "choose your own adventure" type stories. There's a lot of different ways to do a game, too - games where exploration affects the story are really, really cool at least in theory, but I find myself frustrated when I can't uncover everything (or at least most of what) a game has to offer, so I do tend to like somewhat limited narratives versus personalized experiences. Games where no two lets plays are the same are again, really cool in concept, and I have a lot of repsect for them, I just tend to prefer more linear stories. That being said, I do adore being given dialogue options that change how things end up - I really like multiple endings & feeling like what I say matter. Which is why it drove me nuts when Danganronpa had almost no dialogue or action choices, and one of the notable times it does in the first game, it doesn't let you pick the "wrong" option of telling Kyouko about Sakura! If you didn't want me to tell her, don't have it be an option to! I hate the illusion of choice more than if they didn't prompt me to make a choice in the first place. I disagree with you about FTEs. I think there's something really valuable to get from them, especially in SDR2 (and before the DR3 anime's retcons). I think FTEs walk a fine line as optional content; they have to add to the character, while not necessarily being needed to understand the gist of a character. Which is very hard to do! All things considered, I think they did pretty well with most of them. I LIKE learning more things about these character, even if some of what I learn is a little trival. I agree that some FTEs lean too far into "meaningless fluff", but there's also FTEs like Mahiru, where she talks about her mom and dad & in my opinion provide extra context to why she would have joined Junko in addition to twilight syndrome murder case (before the dreaded DR3 anime retcons). Akane, too, had really good FTEs in my opinion; I'd argue her FTEs are better than the content she gets in the main game (I'm salty how they treated her and Ibuki outside of their FTEs, tbh). Other stand out FTEs include Hiyoko's, Nekomaru's, Ibuki's, and Sonia's (though less so with her imo). And then, we get FTEs like Mikan Tsumiki's, which I'd argue are VITIAL to understanding her to the point where they SHOULD NOT BE OPTIONAL. I'd argue they leaned too far in the other direction for her-they made her FTEs contain too much valuable information that the main game doesn't. In my opinion, you can't fully understand chapter three of the game without doing all of her FTEs (with maybe the exception of the last one). It is so crucial and I definitely think they leaned too much into the other direction with her. It leads to a lot of people misinterpreting her. I also disagree about Salmon/Island/School Mode. Again, I've talked about how I don't share your views on FTEs, and that extends to this. I think its a nice reward for doinh the game, and a great way to finish all the FTEs you missed, as well as learn more about the characters on the dates you go on; specifically how they may react in a non despair (or pre despair, which is interesting to consider because we don’t see their school life outside of the DR3 anime, and even then we only see the SDR2 cast-I suppose we can gain some insight to the DR1 cast with DR0, but that only really gives insight to Junko, Mukuro, and a little bit Makoto). Plus, I think dating sims are fun! Especially when you're already invested in the characters. It's nice to think of a universe where they got to be normal (ish) teens. I don't consider it "me" dating the characters, but the protagonists of their respective games; since they're pretty much all fully fledged characters themselves. I was a teen myself when I played it though, so maybe it was less weird because of that. Plus, at least in SDR2, the characters are technically adults. Not the best argument since they think they're teens, look like teens, and act like teens, plus it doesn't apply to V3 (I don't think? The ending kind of makes everything questionable, tbh), but that's media for you, I guess. I would say "that's anime for you", but to be honest I think sexualization of teens and "gotcha! They're not technically teens because blah blah blah!" is unfortunately apparent in media all across the world. Hmmmm. To be completely honest, Danganronpa 1 is my least favorite game, with Super Danganronpa 2 being my favorite! I do agree that the atmosphere of DR1 is more eerie, but I liked the world building, plot including plot twists (well... for the most part; I still don't really like Mechamaru or chapter a lot of chapter 4, despite it arguably having one of the more horrifying motives provided by Monokuma), and characters a lot more in SDR2 than in DR1. But of course, that's only counting the games; my favorite installment has to be Danganronpa 0, a light novel that unfortunately never got an official localization (my icon is the POV character from the novel, actually!), and my least favorite HAS to be the Danganronpa 3 anime. So much potential in that anime that is just frustratingly not fulfilled. I've gotten a lot of flack online for saying that, but it's what I think. Still, even DR3 I don't HATE. I think it had potential, which makes how it squanders it even more disappointing. I tend to write that off as due to time constraints. I agree with you about the tone. Sometimes its really jarring how unaffected by things they are. I think it's most jarring with Ibuki. She's supposed to be a very sweet girl, but she only acts as comic relief even when theres a deadbody on the floor. It makes her look calloused. I think its supposed to read as her trying to keep the mood up with humor and cheer up her friends, but honestly, it just makes it look like she doesn't care about her friends dying. Yeah, "Tell them, Naegi!" Is a meme for a reason. No need to say more. I'd argue that Makoto isn't characterless. It's just that ironically he's a lot less interesting when you're in his POV. He has a very clear moral philosophy in SDR2, he has principles, he makes somewhat morally gray choices in the cause of what he thinks is right. He believes in redeeming the remnants, even if he has to betray Future Foundation to do it... Which I'd argue is SUPER interesting. He is essentially arguing for redeemtion and restorative justice, which is a real position real people have. He is infinitely more interesting when you view him from the outside. I also want to say, the fact that he is a mostly normal guy also isn't just to insert the player-it serves to illustrate the series themes that talent DOESN'T equal hope. It's important that Makoto is normal AND the Ultimate Hope. Him being so proves Hope's Peak and people like Nagito Komaeda wrong, which is very important for the message of the series. Hope is found in the peopke around you, the bonds you have, and kindness. That's what Danganronpa says with Makoto Naegi. I went over the character limit, so continued comment in the replies!

@buttercupghost 11 ай бұрын

Alter Ego is pretty different of a personality than Chihiro, in my opiniom. I wouldn't say Chihiro comes back as an AI-Alter Ego is much more methodical and logic-driven. I also think Alter Ego coming back makes sense; they connected to the internet & uploaded a backup of themselves there. It also highlights how Junko was defeated; she let Alter Ego be at first because she thought it was funny to raise their hopes and crush them, but that bit her in the butt. She also let Alter Ego be with the hope that it could possibly led to her defeat, showing how self defeating Junko & her ideology is. I think it's... fine, that Alter Ego comes back. I consider them a completely seperate entity from Chihiro. But I do understand how it could feel cheap. (Danganronpa 3 feels cheap in this exact same way, how it makes you think Hina or Kyouko died, only for it to be a fake out - they constantly dangle the chance of one of the DR1 survivors dying and then never commit to it. Infuriating. If you're going to fake out a death in such a way, at least only do it ONCE.) I do think they, uhm, over use the AI thing after a while. I feel like people are creating AIs so carelessly and easily. I think the moment it crossed a line for me, where I was just thinking, "And why are we making MORE AI's???" was in the Danganronpa 3 anime OVA, Super Danganronpa 2.5: Nagito Komaeda and the Destroyer of Worlds. I liked the OVA, one of the best parts of DR3 on a whole, but I was also sort of like... why though? Why did it have to be an AI doing this? Why are we making AIs so blasé now? Yeah. The "fanservice" in SDR2 is bad. I really, really don't like it, even when I was young I hated it. I feel really bad for Mikan being used in such a way considering her backstory, too, and indignate on Akane's behalf that most of her characterization in the main game is just jokes about her body or stupidity. Yeah, the minigames are trash. Except the logic dive. I love logic dive. Hehe. Yeah. Nagito is a prick. I hate him

@buttercupghost 11 ай бұрын

I really like a lot about Side:Future. I don't mind the suicide video as I think they actually did it in the best way they could. I like how they furthered Makoto and Kyouko's arcs, mirroring and contrasting with Danganronpa 1. I like most of the new characters (at least the ones we get to know), but... Side:Despair just detracts from it all with that brainwashing video. Just imagine if Chisa was revealed as the mastermind and Ryota as a sort of traitor type character. I love that idea, that there were remnants Makoto missed and thats why this is happening. Keep the suicide and hope videos; have Ryota meeting Junko through the Imposter introducing them (or maybe Mikan if you want to keep her in the know about Imposter & Ryota). Either axe the brainwashing video entirely, or only use it on the reserve course. And if you really want to use it on the remnants? You can't resist robbing them of agency and culpability and making Makoto's choice to save them less morally grey? You want to soften SDR2's message about redemption? Then at least strengthen your other message about how despair lies, how despair isn't inevitable - have Junko try to pull the class into despair like it was said she did in SDR2 & have her FAIL and resort to brainwashing afterwards. It characterizes Junko beautifully too, especially considering how she lied in SDR2 about it. And human Chiaki? You can keep her, too, even without the brainwashing used on the remnants. She's a threat to Junko. She gives hope to the remnants, and they're torn between Junko and her. Junko proposes a test between the two of them; if Chiaki can make it through this maze, she will bow out and let Chiaki's hope win. Nagito agrees first; he's all about testing hope. Mikan agrees after; she's devoted to Junko, as the only person who pointed out how people treated her was wrong & "forgave" her existence. There's multiple escape doors in the maze and Junko claims one of them is the real one instead of leading to spiked death-she's lying. Isn't it so much worse, the idea that her friends put her into this situation of their own free will, caused her death, essentially killed her? And maybe that's why Izuru is so callous towards them dying in SDR2; he doesn't like how fickle and unloyal they are, that they betrayed Chiaki. In SDR2, his choice to put Junko AI into a simulation with also Chiaki AI gets recontextualized as him pitting Chiaki and Junko against each other for a rematch; torn between Chiaki's hope, her dying message to her, and Junko's despair. He's testing to see if Chiaki or Junko was right. There's also another possibility for human Chiaki, but it would require tweaking Super Danganronpa 2 too. Having her be a regular remnant of despair who then later betrays the group & turns them into Makoto (to be rehabilitated probably works best with her character) would be super interesting. That's how she would be a "traitor". You'd have to tweak a lot of SDR2 (how Monokuma knows theres a traitor, the fact that the Remnants of Despair all knew about Junko being uploaded) but I think that could have potentially been interesting too. There was so much they could have done. I have so many ideas on how to improve DR3's story. I have literally written so much fanfiction tweeking the canon of it! I love love love love Danganronpa. But... Augh. Sometimes I am just so frustrated with it, too! Also, why not have the Imposter or Mikan (or a combination of the two) talk down Ryota in Side:Hope? Doesn't that make more sense for Ryota's character than Hajime? I know Side:Despair focused a lot on Hajime, but... This is a Ryota-focused moment and it makes more sense to have the people he actually interacts with to talk him down. Also, why reopen Hope's Peak? Doesn't that fly in the face of the games messages about talent not being hope, and it being dangerous to put too much emphasis on it? Was the downfall of society jot because of this very school? Why couldn't Makoto open a different school that had nothing to do with Ultimates, or just become a regular teacher even? I like the idea of Makoto as an educator (its even mentioned in Ishimaru's FTEs and just honestly fits really well) but why did it have to be Hope's Peak specifically? Also, also! Why is Twilight Syndrome Murder Case given so little weight once its over? I like what they did with Natsumi (mostly) and especially her relationship with Hajime, but even that felt rushed; I wish we got more time with it. And the only impact the case had was motivating Hajime to join the Izuru project in her memory (which I did like), but it impacts literally nothing else. It makes it feel like it was something they felt tehy had to do & wanted to rush through. And I don't like that Mahiru was retconned to have no idea about the murder! It weakens case 2 in SDR2, and it makes Mahiru less interesting & softens her culpability and moral ambiguity! I don't like it!! I like morally ambiguous characters!!! Plus, Fuyuhiko killing Sato had NO weight whatsoever, shouldn't tensions be high between him and Mahiru because of that? We move on so quickly, and instead start focusing on Nagito for some reason! I love Nagito, but I don't want him right now! Give me Mahiru!!! Also, I don't think Nagito is in character for most of despair arc. The only way I can justify his behavior is with the idea that Chiaki changed his philosophy on hope (sort of like how Hajime does in island mode) but we don't actually see that happen & it's not stated that thats the case, so that's more of a headcanon. And I didn't like how they did Mikan & specifically her relationship with Junko. It seemed so interesting in SDR2, but its so simple seeming here - and I can't fathom how Junko is actually set apart from anyone else who abused Mikan in her life, and why she regarded her as different in SDR2. I liked her, Imposter, and Ryota's relationship, but that was about the only thing I liked about how they handled Mikan. I feel like Mikan being jealous of Chiaki was like, alluded to breifly but not explored in depth, which is a shame because its really interesting! Chiaki is socially inupt at first and yet forgiven & beloved by the class, unlike Mikan... the envy and bitterness that can arise from that, seeing yourself in someone and yet them being infinitely more loved than you are, its so, so interesting! Add bitterness at her never stopping Hiyoko (which probably extends to all of Mikan's classmates in her head-after all, "in the end, you're all just a bunch of bullies!") and that could be real motive to help kill her even without the brainwashing video. Mikan was already deeply messed up even before she got the remembering disease in SDR2 as evidenced by her FTEs, so it's not so far fetched. Also. I think having it be brainwashing also greatly detracts from the Hajime/Junko foil the game had going on. In Mikan's last FTE, she directly states that Hajime is the one whose "forgiven" her, directly paralleling Junko. To me, it implied that Junko did something very similar to Hajime does in these FTEs, get to know the cast, but with malicious intent instead of Hajime's (bumbling) kindness. Yet that all gets thrown out with the brainwashing video... Hajime also parallels/foils Junko in their alter ego's/alternate identities, Izuru for Hajime and Ryouko for Junko. They're almost inverses of each other in that respect. I would have liked to see more Yasuke Matsuda, too. That's not strictly necessary, I just love him. Okay, I've said way too much. I'm not even done with the video, but, yeah. Those are my thoughts. Sorry for ranting!

@buttercupghost 11 ай бұрын

Got to the point where you talk about Chisa being the killer. You're right, actually. That's a good idea too! I actually used it in a fanfic! (Specifically one of my despair!Chiaki fanfics. Now that I think about it, I also didn’t mention another option for Chisa; have her be foster siblings or something like that with Junko before she got adopted by a loving couple with her taking their last name and then meeting Juzo and Kyosuke with them none the wiser of her connection with Junko. Or something like that? Have her been corrupted way before she even teaches, with her helping pull the remnants down & her reason for teaching in the first place being doing so. Eehh, that ideas more rough, but it is a idea I had and used in a fanfic too. Another despair!Chiaki fanfic, actually, different from the one mentioned previously. In this situation, Chisa would be like Yasuke Matsuda or Mukuro Ikusaba.) I totally forgot to mention it as an option, though. Honestly Chisa is big missed potential, tbh. Also don't even talk to me about Monaka. Either redeem her, make her neutral, or make her a villain, PLEASE. You could even keep her being so bored she even got bored of despair as a plot point as long as you don't contradict it at other!! Points!!! Just! Commit! To something! You're totally right that DR3 doesn't. Commit! As a Monaka fan I'm so frustrated at the potential the anime had with her character & how they didn't completely follow through. They wanted to have their cake and eat it too. This is definitely going in my liked videos. I disagreed at some points, but you very much articulated a lot of what frustrates me about this series! I very much enjoyed this video

@acanine8526 11 ай бұрын

the fact this titanic well-worded analysis didn't at least get a like whereas "sus among us booba" right beneath it did is making my hair turn white from stress

@cry602 11 ай бұрын

OH MY GOSH OH MY GOSH OH MY GOSH ARE YOU Buttercup_ghost ON AO3??? OH MY GOSH???

@bees.and.crackers 3 ай бұрын

haha yeah danganronpa never commits anything except for homicide

@annsh.6487 10 ай бұрын

Amazing video, KZbin desperately needs more danganronpa content. Just one thing. The more canon translation to the Ultimate titles is Super High School Level. So these kids are not THE best on the planet, they're just extremely advanced compared to their peers. Just like Chihiro isn't programmer №1 in the world but someone who earned a collaboration with AI researchers at age 16/18(don't remember), The SHSL Nurse is also just that. The most notable talent in this age group. She's still not a professional medic, so there might have been a very valid reason for Ryota to leave the room and bump into Junko.

@dahliam5397 2 ай бұрын

I feel like you may just like... not have the themes right. If you find so many counters to the permanence of death idea, maybe it's not a theme the writers were intending on readers taking? Like I never felt like DR was ever about the permanence of Death considering, in just the first game alone, everything with Chihiro and Alter Ego, Kyondo Ishida, Junko Fucking Enoshima being the mastermind despite being supposedly dead the whole time, hifumi faking his death, Mukuro's corpse being "killed again", Celeste's monologue about being reborn to be executed. If anything it's not ever about the permanence of death but the way death can happen at anytime to anyone. Or at least the tragedy of lost youth, or something, but death in DR has almost never been permanent, like even once...

@Harukaluin19 3 ай бұрын

Yk what? Danganronpa is best in written novel form like in Danganronpa zero (junko is a much more compelling villian here.) and Danganronpa kirigiri. Its dog water in anime form. And somewhat alright in visual novel form (the killing game ), it's biggest flaw is the repetitiveness and useless fillar dialogue it has, so i think if it was just a novel alot of those issues would've been fixed.

@Harukaluin19 3 ай бұрын

22:18 yeah that's quite a problem really, just like the octagon question in dr2 for example. It's mostly a Japanese to English thing

@RoyalFusilier Ай бұрын

Even the little extra Danganronpa:IF novel thing about an alternate ending to the first game wound up being surprisingly good, maybe this format was made for print or sth.

@catboymonstrosity Ай бұрын

There are better ways it could've been tackled in visual novel form tbh I think being a visual novel without gameplay would've served it.

@strugglingproficiently7947 Күн бұрын

Story-wise, I agree. But I would miss the character designs way too much!

@RoseRelisnot 3 ай бұрын

At least Your Turn to Die fixes (more or less) the problem of having a hilariously linear plot where you absolutely will eventually take the right route, in YTTD you are forced to choose who dies sometimes and can kill characters on accident. I mean, that game even did right having an AI based off of a now dead companion with the emotional impact on characters that it should have.

@Cosmicdaydreamer 2 ай бұрын

Me killing Anzu off dozens of times and refusing to simply go on cuz I loved her just for her to inevitably die at the end of the chapter is my canon event

@DJSilly9 2 ай бұрын

What makes yttd so great is that sometimes it gives you the illusion you CAN save characters at points, so when the game inevitably kills them off you're filled with a sense of dread. It's fantastic

@RainIsVibin 2 ай бұрын

@@Cosmicdaydreamerthis guy gets it

@backupschmliff1156 2 ай бұрын

6:06 Ironically, this is a very common way of speaking in Japan. Repeating a certain part of a sentence for clarification is something everyone does. This is not the unrealistic part about anime at all.

@assiaelmabrouki5552 Ай бұрын

Still extremely annoying and repetitive.

@backupschmliff1156 Ай бұрын

@@assiaelmabrouki5552 Maybe if you have ADHD

@PhantomOfficial07 Ай бұрын

Maybe that's a fault of localization then, because it's certainly not normal in the west

@backupschmliff1156 Ай бұрын

@@PhantomOfficial07 People around me talk like that all the time. Besides he annoying braindead people who just spout "duh what?" and you have to spend 10 seconds finding out what they are confused about.

@ebonyobrien5895 3 ай бұрын

As a diehard Jojo fan, that Jojo criticism is literally so real and valid and I wish more people called out the issues in the series

@arij8704 2 ай бұрын

How do you get through the torture dance 😭

@uglymarigold 2 ай бұрын

i agree so much😭🙏🏽 i also feel like people dont ever talk about anything other than p3-p5 when p6-p7 are like the best of the series (IMO)

@the-postal-dude 2 ай бұрын

@@uglymarigold part 7 is heralded as the best part of the series, wdym

@uglymarigold 2 ай бұрын

@@the-postal-dude in modern day yeah, back when I was big in the fandom in 2018-2021 p3 and p4 were considered godtier and not liking them meant you weren't a real fan

@kingkrow7060 2 ай бұрын

@@uglymarigoldif we are going that far back i do think it was the surplus of new fans who only watched anime, but even back then jojo 7 was getting praised by some of the manga readers obviously not all. Still good that seven is the best

@udonge1043 2 ай бұрын

nagito is like the best and most well written character from the series im surprised you dont like him. the “nagito doesnt reveal this information because hes a prick” is weird because the entire reason why is justified from his perspective? would you reveal/help/be friendly to people who you realize are the remnants of despair (necrophile murderers)? hes the only redeeming part of the series…

@assiaelmabrouki5552 Ай бұрын

To be fair, way before the reveal of the Remnants of despair, his behaviour is extremely annoying and strange which is an easy explanation for why most people don't like him. And what do you guys actually mean by "well-written"? He's just such a strange yet intriguing character, with a convoluted way of thinking. I don't think he's THAT good of a character. He also indirectly caused the first murder and looked down on some of his classmates even before he learned about their true identities. If you like him you should acknowledge that he acts in a questionable manner and is kind of an arrogant jerk. Not "Nagito is so misunderstood and everyone else is bad".

@catboymonstrosity Ай бұрын

@@assiaelmabrouki5552 I love Nagito but I like him *because* he sucks, idk how people can like him while denying that he's a terrible person. That said, I do think he is the most well-written character in Danganronpa (if we *only* take DR2 and DR2.5 into account... the majority of DR3 dramatically flubs his writing). His convoluted way of thinking is interesting, he's multifaceted, they actually bothered to give him a character arc, the character arc is internally consistent, he is fundamentally tied to the themes DR2 is trying to explore, he serves his purpose beautifully, and he has a strong effect on people, he steals the show whenever he does something new to shake up the plot whether you're thrilled or angry to see him. Nagito has a core you can dig to, and it even reflects the axis on which he orchestrates his downfall. I love that about him, and I love his initially incomprehensible morals becoming more and more clear especially if you read the Free Time Events. In Chapter 1 I do think he only meant for two people to die (himself and Teruteru), but he still killed Teruteru and Imposter Byakuya as collateral. He did want to give Teruteru a fighting chance but I don't think he was intent on him surviving the class trial (imo he partly tried to orchestrate a situation where he had someone kinda stupid to manipulate into murder). It's like yes he sucks badly but that makes him interesting, he doesn't even suck in a straightforward way he sucks in a bizarre way.

@olivialulle7336 3 ай бұрын

I always find it interesting how can someone like SDR2 without at least appreciating Komaeda as a character when he was the one making the plot interesting not to mention 2-4 and 2-5 are the best chapters of the franchise thanks to him

@assiaelmabrouki5552 Ай бұрын

It's about people's tastes. Yes he made SDR2 special but people still have the right to dislike him as a character. I mean, it would be lying not to say that he was kinda annoying.

@Inam-798 3 ай бұрын

Of course I am a fan of Danganronpa and of course I hate Danganronpa

@normanclatcher 2 ай бұрын

See also: _Touhou._

@BucketIHead Ай бұрын

Great way of putting it

@NintendoCapriSun 9 ай бұрын

I can definitely relate to the mind-numbingness of the editing process! I just put this video on while cooking earlier and you got a very smooth style. Looking forward to binging some more when I have more time.

@mememaster6748 6 ай бұрын

9:31 well they don’t really do much with that the characters that die or get executed yet maybe one or two mentions things never get talked about again

@krok2112 11 ай бұрын

IT’S REAL! THE DANGANROPA VIDEO IS REAL!

@lexirosereese6951 2 ай бұрын

it doesn’t have to make sense i can’t even tell you why i love danganronpa so much, you make extremely valid points and i agree with all of it but still love this gameeee

@AlexanderLeset Ай бұрын

The one thing I disagree with you on is the "resurrection" of the DR2 classmates. If they just suddenly appeared in the anime then it would certainly feel like an asspull to show how great Izuru was, but the last scene of DR2 is about how Hajime and the others decided not to choose Junko's path, which would have had their friends brought back with Junko's personality, or Makoto's path, which would have had them accepting their friend's deaths. They instead chose to believe that their friends could still be saved even though they died in the simulation and they were using the emergency shutdown protocol. In the context of DR2, I think it's a fantastic ending, but the message of holding out hope for an uncertain future is incredibly diminished when the anime just goes "yup, they're alive again."

@AlexanderLeset Ай бұрын

In a lot of ways, DR2 is like Metal Gear Solid 2, and a lot of my problems with DR3 and MGS4 is how they both continue to expand on stories that are infinitely better when the endings were ambiguous. MGS4 eventually led to Revengeance though, and Danganronpa doesn't have a character action game where you fight with Truth Blades

@PramkLuna 11 ай бұрын

30:32 Even as a Dangraronpa fan, DR2 and DR3's fanservice wasvery jarring compared to DR1, but anime's got to anime

@TtheRbt 2 ай бұрын

You're making me want to recommend Shu Takumi games Like Ace Attorney and Ghost Trick Ace Attorney is a murder mystery visual novel And Ghost Trick is a puzzle game mystery novel I love these games dearly! And they scratch my brain with how shocking or silly the plot twists are!!

@SmashTheAdam 2 ай бұрын

I LOVE both of these games, I don't exactly remember how I found out about Ghost Trick, but I'm glad I did because it's amazing, i actually decided to play it again (and it's rare for me to replay a game I already finished) a few months ago, and even after finishing it again I still didn't wanna drop it yet, something about it just keeps pulling me back

@TtheRbt Ай бұрын

@@SmashTheAdam IT'S SUCH A GOOD GAME, it shockingly has good replay value!! shu takumi's works are wonderful!!!

@thenamelessnpc1000 Ай бұрын

I was just thinking that I'd love to hear this guy's thoughts on Ace Attorney!

@hickorydaisy4117 3 ай бұрын

1:00:58 so I wanted to say that on some level the anime retcons Danganronpa:Zero, a light novel that also explores Hopes Peak prior to the events of the first game. …I like DR0 better

@whilhelmcream7352 2 ай бұрын

Me when i don't understand danganronpa, it's continuity and plot Me when i play a genre i don't like and then whine about not liking the game Me when i'm a genwunner

@TheAzulmagia Ай бұрын

I find it kinda funny that you say that not much can be said about Sayaka when a Danganronpa fan wrote a 400 page manifesto about how deep her character is. I wish I was joking!

@SuperMandibleclaw 2 ай бұрын

Jesus Christ, this might be the single worst danganronpa video i've ever seen

@monke3075 2 ай бұрын

How?

@godzyllaa 2 ай бұрын

@@monke3075 Well, given how we're literaly told "actually I decided not to play everything/get the full context and wiki pages have too many words" after over an hour of video + a decent chunk of the first part being "visual novel bad" I can kinda get what they mean.

@monke3075 2 ай бұрын

@@godzyllaa fair,but I don't think trying to understand the story will help either because of how messy and complicated it is,I think it would've just let him be more confused(like me when I actually tried to understand the whole thing)it was semi-understandable before danganronpa3,and then the anime added so much random bullshit and ruined the well established themes or ideas that I might as well not consider the whole thing canon,I think the guy does make a good point on 'danganronpa never commits to it's ideas or try to think of how it makes sense' which would be a good critique for the D3 anime,but for the games,while it's still true, it's not that bad because even the game doesn't take itself that seriously

@rh7474 Ай бұрын

@@monke3075The story isn't mess and complicated at all lol. It's pretty straightforward. This is a video about a game series made by someone who didn't actually play them all. And it's clear he has misunderstood a lot about the games and is flat out wrong about some things.

@SILENTSORA-cw9mj Ай бұрын

@@rh7474 wait he didn't play the games, what?

@shannonreed822 2 ай бұрын

As a big fan of the original continuity: God you are so big-brained. Like. I've been trying so hard to explain my issues with the series outside of "The brainwashing cheapened everything about the original games" and "Why does this series only get me invested in a character right before they die? This is bad writing when it happens more than once or twice" but you managed to put a lot of it to words. There's a lot I disagree with, some of it being because I initially engaged with the series via a fan-translation which got across certain aspects more faithfully to the intent, but there's a lot MORE I agree with. I'm actually a big fan of anime, and I have a *lot* of tolerance for Anime Bullshit. The series in general is also right up my alley because I love morbidity and cartoon gore (I'm really, REALLY weak wrt realistic gore though, to the point I start crying and leave the room) and I just love the *fun* anime bullshit. (Read as: the stuff that *isn't* sexualising the characters.) And yet I am one of those fans who, for all the love I have for the series, *hates* it so much because of all the failed potential. One thing I do enjoy is that the SDR2 cast do live - it was in fact foreshadowed in the end of the gameI actually feel their survival *adds* to things, that their survival aids the 'hope' theme, because it was an act of trying to make the world a better place, against the desires of those who wanted them to die for their crimes instead of being rehabilitated, that gave them the second chance. Their survival doesn't cheapen the game imo... What cheapens the game is how they seem ultimately unaffected by basically anything that happened in the game. I hate how they all look so healthy and totally not like they'd spent most of the last couple of years as Superbosses roaming the deadlands of the world, like nothing that happened between the first game and their showing back up happened. I hate how none of them seems incredibly traumatised. I hate how they're buddy-buddy in that "I have never experienced anything awful in my life" way. I hate how they look and act like there was never an apocalypse, let alone how they act like they never had any part in it, outside of being all "hey bestie come to the island with us so we can live apart from the terror we helped cause". The fact that they are so *unbothered* by everything, that they are not in any way devoted to undoing as much of the harms they did as possible, content to just live life on an island away from everything awful... It cheapens everything, *including* the fact that they're alive - which would be perfectly in line with the changing themes had their continued existence been portrayed in any meaningful way.

@shannonreed822 2 ай бұрын

Also, as a fan of Yukizome: You're so freaking right. I admit that I loved her dying in the first episode, and it being revealed she was a massive player in this. Hell, I actually *like* the idea that the killers are the victims themselves. It was something I didn't see coming, and if they'd actually *done the work* to make it feel well done, it could have been properly novel. It would have subverted the expectations set up by the games, that it's an actual killer at play, and if done right would have been *great* if you ask me... But it was hamfistedly handled at best. If they *had* to take the route of this all being some cheap brainwashing plot, they *should* have had yukizome being behind all the deaths. If they'd kept with the story told by the games (that Junko *lured* people into ultimate despair) and had where the brainwashing thing involved physical action (like with Yukizome's brainwashing), I feel that they could have finagled something still worth watching. Say Yukizome has been working with Mitarai this whole time to make the video that causes people to end themselves, and that at some point she *physically* brainwashed the elderly headmaster guy, because she was taught how. THEN I feel they could have gone with the "there is no killer, lol" twist. But they didn't EARN it? If they were going to go with the "everyone was brainwashed Lol" idea they should have had her be the mastermind, possibly working with the headmaster. Instead they did basically everything to make the whole anime as disappointing as possible? As for Monaka: Honestly I would have loved how she was handled in the anime if everything else had been written well. Her just. Being so very bored with existing and just going where her whims took her would have been pretty in line with how bonkers things could get without detracting from the series had, you know, the rest of the anime not been what it was. Anyway, tl;dr - I actually agree on most things. The few things I disagree on I disagree on due mostly to a different reading of the material available and the themes. But the thing I agree on the most is that the anime is a hot garbage heap that removed any and all teeth from what came before it.

@OneManCast 2 ай бұрын

You don't watch enough anime.

@assiaelmabrouki5552 Ай бұрын

People have the right to dislike it, after all it might just not be everyone's cup of tea with how weird it can get

@lovkarts 11 ай бұрын

It's funny how Umineko manages to be a way better (and longer) Danganronpa despite being a kinetic Visual Novel (that means it has absolutely no gameplay, you only read the text and enjoy the amazing music u.u)

@StrawberryCocoaPowder 3 ай бұрын

Tbf umineko and danganronpa are different stories

@lovkarts 3 ай бұрын

@@StrawberryCocoaPowder I actually think this comment of mine is kinda cringe now idk how it got 63 likes u.u

@MiloKuroshiro 3 ай бұрын

Umineko and Danganronpa couldn't be tackling more different themes if they tried wtf

@k0w0res 2 ай бұрын

This is why I hate people calling visual novels a genre. They're not. They're a MEDIUM in which stories are told. It'd be like saying oh I hate books, they're my least favorite genre Umineko and Danganronpa are two different genres OF visual novel

@3am790 2 ай бұрын

Could you lay down some examples on how they're similar other than them basically being a murder mystery?

@doofs 11 ай бұрын

i was gonna watch only a few minutes of the video and then get some breakfast, but unfortunately i couldn't commit to that, and i ended up watching the whole essay instead. as to be expected of a video from the ultimate anime hater sojournerkai.

@aokyoutsuki7744 2 ай бұрын

The moment it turned to the ol' classic "brainwashing", i just couldnt be bothered with it anymore, i dunno for others but it places itself in my list of "dumbo plot points" that im biased to dislike, hate it

@GeorgeGwiazda 2 ай бұрын

This video is so Reddit.

@usuallyangry 11 ай бұрын

If I had the time, resources, and team, I would make Danganronpa: Brotherhood. Danganronpa is frustrating because there’s good to be found, but it's quite literally held together with duct tape and hope. GamingMagic13 gave the writing a more thorough thrashing than I have the cognitive ability to, but I have my own grievances and it is KILLING me that my own fixes will never be made canon. I mean, look. What was the latest addition to this franchise, and possibly the LAST one? A goddamn gacha game with the thinnest story possible. Ugh. Edit 7/3/24: Ok so me and Gamingmagic...kiiiinda aren't on good terms anymore lmfao, so I'm running a retraction on that part of my comment. I still really want a Danganronpa Brotherhood, though. For Kirumi. FOR KIRUUUUMMIIIIIII!

@sliceninja4546 10 ай бұрын

It's not just GamingMagic13. I recommend Ce53 and his analysis of danganronpa. Though warning there is strong language. He does make some good points if you look past it.

@nordinreecendo512 3 ай бұрын

2:11 "It's basically Among Us the visual novel." Gnosia:

@Mother_boards Ай бұрын

Okay, this really bothered me, and for a second I thought I was going insane, so I had to look it up. The reveal that the DR2 characters that died in the simulation is not from the anime, but from DR2's epilogue. Makoto, Byakuya, and Kirigiri are talking about how the ones who survived are staying behind on the island, in order to try and wake up their sleeping friends, and Makoto all but says that they're going to succeed. So that copout lies entirely on DR2, not the anime. The anime is still dogshit though.

@bsm_pnglololol 2 ай бұрын

Jjba being called bad worldbuilding and bashed down 19 seconds in is WILDDD

@assiaelmabrouki5552 Ай бұрын

He was only talking about Stardust Crusaders, don't get triggered

@Shabowdiadlo 11 ай бұрын

ITS HERE! THE LONG AWAITED DANGANRONPA VIDEO IS HERE! And after dead meat doing a kill count of Danganronpa, coincidence? I think not! Love the video kai! And can't wait for the next episode

@-vp6kj Ай бұрын

How can people even like JoJo? B-b-but the slow narratives and detailed worldbuilding? How people are even allowed to have fun and not edge over ''clever'' and ''well-written'' stories and not build their entire personality around watching ''clever'' shows? That is just not possible!

@driguesbarcellos Ай бұрын

please youtube, no mere shitty video essays PLEASE

@TheSirManGuy Ай бұрын

At least attempt to explain why you think that bro this comment is worthless

@TanneSnow 2 ай бұрын

i already feel very negative about like the first minute of the video. actually i probably dislike this whole video, but just wanted to say even tho i hate it you put a lot of effort into it probably and you are surly a nice guy. so keep doing videos [im probably not even the target audience in this case anyway]

@TanneSnow 2 ай бұрын

also danganronpa ultra despair girls plays in between danganronpa 1 and 2, not 2 and 3 [3 being the anime]

@TanneSnow 2 ай бұрын

i basically finished the video now, i do not agree with most in the video [i did find a few jokes funny tho] the only thing i dislike about danganronpa is the anime and its tentency to retcon certain things [the light novels explain a lot of things better]

@YouCanCallMeIz Ай бұрын

This video does Visual Novel's so dirty. I've only played a few (FSN is my favorite so that probably says a lot) but even I know that most Visual Novels have wide, sweeping choices that can affect the outcome of the plot without necessarily leading to a bad or early end. I mean, in Tsukihime even little things like how much time you spend with a character can change all sorts of things. And in other visual novels, like Mahoyo, they're completely linear and moreso akin to just straight up a novel, and therefore also don't really bear the criticism he levies.

@nancybeltran8601 2 ай бұрын

"I hate anime", nah man. I think you just hate shounen anime. Anime is a medium, shounen is the genre that caters to teenage boys who like fights and weird sexualization of girls. Seinen and josei tend to be a bit better because they're actually catering for adult audiences who want real stories. I hate the current culture that predominately puts shounen on this pedestal of greatness. Please, I beg all of these people to grow up and stop watching shows for teenagers.

@ash8244 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like you shouldn't be consuming Japanese media lmao

@LeniPeni 3 ай бұрын

Literally HOWWW can you hate nagito he’s the best character by far

@redballoon9007 3 ай бұрын

I have mixed feelings about him to. As a character, he does fascinate me but I don’t blame anyone for thinking he’s annoying af. My greatest issue with him is his constant self depreciation. Bro makes it his MISSION to hammer it in that he thinks very little of himself.

@LeniPeni 3 ай бұрын

@@redballoon9007 yeah I honestly understand cause he is annoying as hell but I love him so much. Like every time he’s on screen you know he’s about to say something crazy. I love the way he thinks and how he (spoiler) completely switches on everyone in chapter 4. Like it was funny as hell how he started talking down to hajime and everyone else. He’s so delusional that he thinks he can be called the ultimate hope after attempting to kill everyone except chiaki. He’s clearly insane and I love that

@the-postal-dude 2 ай бұрын

@@redballoon9007 he has an interesting concept but lacks subtlety. which seems to be a throughline in the series in general

@normanclatcher 2 ай бұрын

Him being the "left-hand man" of the Despair crew makes perfect sense. Man's trapped.

@BucketIHead Ай бұрын

Personally, He's a little annoying

@BurBurGerHamCotCotCybercotleta 2 ай бұрын

I am curious about your statement, that visual novels are your least favorite game genre and am curious to know how would you feel about the title "Slay the Princess", since I believe it to be a quite breathtaking experience

@WithASock 11 ай бұрын

yuppp yup. if i tried to write down all the ways danganronpa doesnt commit to itself, i could be here for weeks. some language notes! -i hope someone else has already mentioned, but the official english translation of danganronpa kinda obscures some terminology. ex: "Ultimate [blank]" are more accurately called "super high school level [blank]" and talents like the ultimate "moral compass" are more literally translated as the ultimate "public morals committee member"- which in a school setting is like a hall monitor. This means that while character's talents can seem downright supernatural, the intended implication is that they're the best of the best possible for highschoolers. this ties into them being hope for the future yada yada themes. and that if a character's talent seems confusing for their actions or skill set, its probably worth reviewing the literal translation, just in case that elucidates the WAY their character is taken to absurdity. -anime speech is unrealistic in many ways, but the repeating things is actually more realistic than other stuff (like exaggerated cadences, accepted levels of politeness, etc). In japanese, repeating phrases is a fairly natural part of conversation for the sake of showing attentiveness and engagement. There are times in anime and especially in danganronpa where i think this too is exaggerated (UNDER THE TABLE YOU SAY), but its a little less about spoon-feeding information to your audience and more about having the characters take the mystery theyre solving seriously. Japanese in general has a much higher tolerance for repetition than english that i think is often difficult to make sound as initially intended when translated. silly story nitpicks -yeah the characters being/understanding themselves to be highschoolers really chafes against fanservice and fanservice gags. Regarding hiyoko as pedobait i think the idea is that she gets a special mention on account of Looking younger than everyone else, not simply being young. which is still pretty fucked up even though it applies if she were of-age in every way and yeah i care even less for this idea as i finish typing this -"izuru kamukura was unaware he would be caught by the power of the neo world program" no he knew. he did it intentionally. there's not even precedent to think he wouldn't know that

@V1G4M1 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for this! Especially the language notes!

@fablor9900 Ай бұрын

Something else to note: it's helpful to be able to pick the game back up at any time, and almost immediately be caught up on where you are in the game (Who died again? What chapter is this? am I in court right now?) , what plot has or hasn't happened (Did I actually figure out who did it, or am I still on x thing), and other minute things that just don't come across because these games were originally made in the mid to late 2000's, for the PSP/PSVita.

@Wallie33. 4 ай бұрын

Am sorry but most of your criticism goes out the window when you hate both anime and visual novels. Danganronpa specially is extremely anime on purpose since it basically parodies a lot of the tropes for anime and is very much self aware. The series is clearly not something made to appeal to you.

@angelinaxtriana 3 ай бұрын

did you listen to what he actually said or just hear "i don't like anime" and tune out? he says he doesn't like anime with a lack of worldbuilding and complex narratives, and he explored danganronpa because it had those things. and he's barely critiquing the tropes, just the franchise's foundational issues. danganronpa plays with tropes sometimes but you can tell while playing it that it wants to be taken seriously as a game and franchise. you can't just sweep the varying quality of gameplay and storytelling under the umbrella of "parody"

@Wallie33. 3 ай бұрын

@@angelinaxtriana Just saying that not enjoying visual novels and anime would hurt the enjoyment of anyone by a huge amount trying to get into Danganronpa cause those aspects are a huge part of the appeal of Danganronpa. And sure their is plenty of moments where the game wants you to take it seriously but their is a lot of parodying and silly stuff in Danganronpa as well that are clearly not meant to be taking to seriously too. But anyway, I wrote this comment half way in the video. When I finished the video later I actually end it up thinking he had better points then I expected, didn’t agree with everything but is a decent review, no hate to the guy.

@angelinaxtriana 3 ай бұрын

⁠you do have a good point about that even if the video doesn't touch much on it, a lot of my appreciation for dr comes from watching others play it. playing it myself was so tedious bc of the visual novel style so it definitely can impact enjoyment of an otherwise interesting series. i disagree with him saying danganronpa seemed better as an anime just because it's story focused, that definitely comes from a bias against visual novels

@Harukaluin19 3 ай бұрын

Not at all, his criticisms are extremely fair to the game

@MsMvsc 3 ай бұрын

It is not a parody, it literally plays a lot of the clichés straight

@standreamcatcher2371 2 ай бұрын

I mean, I like Danganronpa, but I know (as any Danganronpa fan does) that is flawed and has SO MANY THINGS you can criticise... still, I disagree with many of your points (most of the ones tide to the fact this is a visual novel... the format of most visual novels are more about you witnessing the events oppose to being part of the world. I understand is not a format everyone will enjoy, but if you are playing a game of this type you should expect this type of feeling, at least in my opinion. Either way, I think theres other points that can be made about Danganronpas gameplay apart from the one-sided experience, but whatevs), but the only thing I actually wanted to underline is in terms of Chiakis character. It is made clear from the end of the game that the Chiaki we interacted with was simply not the Chiaki of the anime, its just a program with her face to help the rehabilitation process for the remnants. Her character, from the start, was dead (infact, when I watched the anime, I was dissapointed in the fact Chiaki was actually a real person, someone that had excisted and interacted with the cast. I never really liked Chiaki, so, I was just annoyed I was gonna have to see her more lol. Its clear it was a change they wanted to made because of Chiakis popularity as character, and tbh theres truly nothing wrong with said decision, Im just a hater). So yeah, I dont think her being the "only one that isnt saved by the power of Kamakura" can be actually pointed as another time Danganronpa didnt commit, on the contrary, killing her was the only way they COULD commit, still being faithful to the fact in the game is stated Chiaki DOESNT exist (considering Nagito didnt see her picture in the yearbook, reason why he though she was a remnant at the start), but also letting her fans have more content about her (and, I guess on a certain extent, also kinda making sense of why she had that appereance (?), like, giving her look a purpose, I dont know if that makes sense).

@cgcurctct8ccottccricorc8rc86 3 ай бұрын

You are a valorant fan

@porygon-z8270 3 ай бұрын

You are an anime fan

@cgcurctct8ccottccricorc8rc86 3 ай бұрын

@@porygon-z8270 no need for compliments

@kanyakinanti 2 ай бұрын

Man, I love internet conversations

@velconx15 11 ай бұрын

Holy shit, it's just like Detective Pikachu Returns. I watched RTGame's stream of it and it was like playing a downgrade of Dora the Explorer.

@snicksnacksnick 11 ай бұрын

except the dora the explorer video games are more enjoyable

@AldinRamic 11 ай бұрын

@snicksnacksnick The both of you made me remember a memory that I haven't recalled in a long time And that was playing an Adora the Explorer game I would like to play it again But unfortunately the computer it was on doesn't work anymore. Oh well It's in the past now. I should focus on my future.

@snicksnacksnick 11 ай бұрын

@@AldinRamic i finally found out the one i played (somehow hooked it up to a tv from the 1990s) was likely on that thing called vsmile (it was from like 2005, so it was older than i am) but it was really entertaining. we may have it in some attic somewhere actually

@AldinRamic 11 ай бұрын

@@snicksnacksnick that's cool

@LeniPeni 3 ай бұрын

The anime was really bad but nagito was alive in the end so I’ll forgive it 👍

@HomeByMidnight 3 ай бұрын

heavily underrated video, dang also FINALLY someone gives koichi more spotlight excellent video, hope it picks up more people!

@-salmather 2 ай бұрын

I'm about 35 mins in, but it sounds like what you wanted was Ace Attorney. That game has a lot of what you liked about Danganronpa 2, and doesn't have a lot of what you hated

@thewewguy8t88 Ай бұрын

honestly i feel like the games are 2 things a jack in the box with the overall stories and magic trick you get to figure out/confrim how it was done. and i feel like both elements work fine but they work only once. because after you see what the jack in the box is(the games overall ending for example) and see/figure out the magic trick(the murders) i feel like there is not much of value. plus like you said you forcefed all the information you need nothing more nothing less to slove all the murders and therefore can not really fail and even if you "fail" you are given a second chance everytime. i mean dont game me wrong i do think the games endings are on par with endings like the sixth sense which completely changes the narative of the game. and the murders are entertaining to try figure out but again they are like magic tricks and there is no challenge to figuring it out you are just froced to go through the motions. rather then trying to figure things out on your own and taking the risk of failing by gathering not enough information or too much information on your own and coming to the wrong conculsion.

@Dontfollowplease 4 ай бұрын

You can't really say failure is inconsequential when you get a graded score based on your performance. Like isn't the point of video games to get the highest score and therefore the highest grade?

@NekePle Ай бұрын

*breath in* . . . MEAT ON THE BONE

@sodakuwun0707 Ай бұрын

insulting anime in general as well as fan favorite characters is so fucking bold and while i have different opinions, i admire your bravery

@timetribe 7 ай бұрын

0:23 i was so relieved here because most of the time i refuse to watch danganronpa videos because i know at some point there'll probably be a grossly sexual comment made about one of the teen characters.. but thats what i get for playing the game series where a sexual pose is the key to solving a murder in the second game

@noblesol 11 ай бұрын

Sus among us booba

@SojournerKai 11 ай бұрын

So true

@normanclatcher 2 ай бұрын

True and brave

@genericname2747 2 ай бұрын

I'd like to clarify something about them all being high schoolers. Yasuhiro is a grown man. I don't blame you for forgetting. The game forgets this too.

@mahimeghan 11 ай бұрын

Oh holy shit this is so well edited and so smooth and i am only two minutes in. Can’t begin to fathom how long this took. I need to set aside some time to sink my teeth into this video properly…

@SojournerKai 11 ай бұрын

If you really wanna know: I first played DR1 and 2 in the spring of 2021, watched 3 over the summer, and then played V3 in the fall. In between those time periods, I wrote the first script, which was later canned (but I uploaded it as a commentary track to my other channel, A Shiny Sylveon). Took a break from it until I revised and amended the script in March of this year. Then, I recorded all of the audio and camera segments in May and was intermittently editing (moved houses once) until I finished the videos earlier this month. It didn't need to take that long, but the iteration you see now is some six to seven months of irregular work because YT isn't my job.

@RoyalFusilier Ай бұрын

I found your hostile affect in this video extremely alienating, and normally I'd just move on and not bother to actually say that in a comment, but while wrapping up around 1:16:00 you more or less cop to this. Yet the fact that I got through this movie-length critique of something that I love indicates, yeah. Lot of good points made. It probably helps that I'm over it now for a number of years and have only faint desires to maybe get back into Danganronpa some day, but like a lot of others said, it's just fun to remember those times when I was hyperfixated on it. Your critiques are largely things I either agree with or understand and think you explained well, cue the jokes from other Danganronpa fans about how we hate the series too. Anyhow, I wasn't going to click this video, I thought I'd click back off it quickly, especially as you explained your dislike for anime, I was aggravated by small things throughout and your generally hostile logic-bro angry-reviewer tonality which reminded me of a part of the internet I've been trying to move away from... and I still watched the whole video and found it compelling, and will be checking out the sequel about V3. Also, as a wannabe fellow creative, the sheer energy of "please don't go back and watch my old stuff" is crushingly relatable, but hey, it's all part of our process.

@drago3036 11 ай бұрын

Tell 'em, Kai!

@DeathAlchemist 3 ай бұрын

Dunno why this showed up in my reccs, but honestly plentybof anime have what you are looking for. Both Jojo and akame ga kill are shonen (run in magazines for teenage boys). While there are plenty if great series from shonen magazines, try looking into some seinen (demographic of adult men), shojo (teen girls), or josei (adult women).

@Serocco 3 ай бұрын

Hell, he'll enjoy Frieren, the original FMA, Apothecary Diaries, and Nana at least if he ever gave them a chance

@Minto8384 Ай бұрын

I think nothing will ever live up to the moment when my boyfriend (who used to be a Danganronpa fan) discovered why there was a controversy over Kokichi having a Fanta can in that one piece of art

@morhjort 2 ай бұрын

I'm writing this at the start of the video so i don't know if he talks more about this or not but i like manga way more than anime. The reason why i like manga more is because they can usally spend more time on worldbuilding since they don't have to work with budgets and making episodes that last for 30minutes or less. Many mangas that i loved has gotten animes adaptations that ruin a lot of the worldbuilding of the manga.