Frame Saw 中国锯 - Traditional Chinese Woodworking Tool

中国传统木工木匠的锯。In this video I show you how to make a traditional Chinese woodworking hand saw / frame saw. This is the second in a planned 7 video-series focusing on Chinese woodworking tools that are both traditional and different from European and English tools. Project 29.
DIY frame saw plate ( • DIY Frame Saw Blade fr... )
Checkout the links below where I show you how to make a variety of traditional Chinese woodworking tools.
How to make 7 traditional Chinese woodworking Tools:
1. Chinese hand plane 刨子 ( • Hand Plane 刨子 - Tradit... )
2. Chinese frame saw 锯 ( • Frame Saw 中国锯 - Tradit... )
3. Chinese dovetail Plane 燕尾刨 ( • Adjustable Sliding Dov... )
4. Chinese Knife Saw 刀锯 ( • Knife Saw 刀锯 - Traditi... )
5. Chinese cutting gauge 勒刀子 ( • Cutting Gauge 勒刀子 - Tr... )
6. Chinese bevel gauge 活尺 ( • Bevel Gauge 活尺 - Tradi... )
7. Chinese styled half moon marking gauge 线勒子 ( • Half Moon Marking Gaug... )
7b. Offset plate for easy layout of mortise and tenon ( • Offset Plate - Angled ... )
7c. Foolproof Angled mortise and tenon with the half moon Chinese marking gauge and Offset Plate ( • Foolproof Angled Morti... )
Traditional Chinese frame saw by master Xing Quian Sheng (幸全生)
1of2 ( • 【传统手工木工教学--工具制作】框锯制作第一集 )
2of2( • 【传统手工木工教学--工具制作】框锯制作第二集 )
3of3( • 【传统手工木工教学--工具制作】框锯制作第三集 )
The next planned Chinese woodworking project (3of7) is a dovetail plane. Thank you for watching, I hope you enjoy it. Let me know if you have any questions.
John Z Zhu
@polywright
2017 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

[@schievel6047]

I really like your series about Chinese woodworking tools. They are little known in the west. Today I built this saw and I will also build some more Chinese tools. I watched your videos again and what you said about European frame saws isn’t quite correct. We also turn the blade to a somewhat 45 degree angle. Because you can not cut deep when the blade is in the same plane like the frame and you can not see you marking well. Also we usually don’t use the handle for holding the saw when sawing, we usually hold it like the Chinese saw but with the whole hand above the blade pin not with the pinky below. The handles are for rotating the blade and to rest them below your hand to give you extra control when beginning a cut I really like how the Chinese version is hold, because it feels like the blade is the continuation of my arm.

[@johnzzhu]

If you ever use a Chinese Frame saw you will understand the advantage. Also, I have not found a video of a European frame saw used at a 45 degree angle, that pre- dates this video.

[@schievel6047]

@@johnzzhu kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoXVq56Fjq2YrM0 @6:55 I understand the advantage, as I said is built the saw you show in the video. You can easily see where you’re cutting

[@S8tan7]

Very interesting to see how different cultures came to very similar solutions to the same problem, but with some very subtle differences

[@j.palomera690]

I like to observe how tools from different countries works. From this one I like that is small and light like tough work horse. Thanks for the video!.

[@raflifauzi2984]

I like it... traditional saw...

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you.

[@joshuachen7001]

很好的视频，你的中式框锯做的非常好。对于熟练使用者，中式框锯比欧式锯更高效率，但是对于新手，欧式锯更容易掌握。

[@johnzzhu]

谢了，说的好，但是在 youtube 上不能说中比洋锯好的实话。只能说欧美是最好。

[@thomasarussellsr]

Nice project. Thanks for sharing.

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks and you're welcome.

[@chadhoffman1102]

Great build!

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you.

[@RusticDavid]

Thank you John that is just what i was looking for great video!!

[@robertbrunston5406]

Looks good John! Thank you.

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks RB.

[@fritzkraemer1185]

Nice work! Thx

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you.

[@TheWoodYogi]

Really enjoying this series John :) Thank you ॐ

[@johnzzhu]

You're welcome. Five more to go.

[@bless6952]

Belíssimo trabalho!!! John Zhu você é um génio!!! muito obrigado! !!.

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you.

[@SeahorseWorkshop]

Great video. How long is the blade? How tall (width, not thickness) is the blade? I am going to make this saw. Thanks for the video! WESOME work!

[@helioswong9619]

我爸我爺爺都會使用這種弓子鋸，我就不會，一鋸就跑偏。我以爲日本人不使用這種鋸，所以都是那種直柄的，我買來，用起來感覺還可以。但是後來我翻找老照片，發現他們的人間國寶黑木辰秋也用這種弓子鋸。從效率上來説，弓子鋸真的很快就能鋸斷，但是我真的沒覺得弓子鋸的鋸片特別在哪，可能是持握的方式上有一個整體鋸身的重力我猜。 做的真棒。

[@johnzzhu]

我以前都用洋人的锯；一个多年前开始用中国锯 ，现在我很少用洋人（English）锯。这中国锯真是好用。

[@shuyangzhang7401]

日本锯的效率不低的，需要手法得当。以前我也以为框锯的效率高过日本锯，后来使用经验多了，发现并不是这样的。

[@claudiosoares3540]

ola, eu preciso encontrar uma lamina maior que 40 " para fazer um serrote como esse e eu nao encontro aqui no brasil. voce pode me passar algum link de onde comprar?

[@amezcuaist]

I adapted a large fretsaw to make it balance in the hand . I wired (wound and twisted ) a right angle bracket to the wooden handle . Holding the fretsaw with blade horizontal and frame upwards ,the bracket end comes down below the wrist . At the bottom end I fixed a blob of lead so the frame and lead balanced at my middle finger . The lead was closed in with tape to make it safe . Now turning the blade vertical the balance is still perfect. Sideways it also balances.. The whole feel is like the saw is floating in the air. The weight is double what it was to start with. But it floats and balances . Ideal for finer cuts with much less stress on the forearm. These wide frame saw blades are cheaper than I expected . About £6 . is a very nice price . I like this saw design without handles sticking out . The cross piece has no metal stubs to hold the 2 short ends in position . Make a few "out of sight "stubs . Or shape the cross piece ends inside the cut out as a curve and match that curve on the 2 ends . Afterthought You "Could "add a right angle Bracket with some Lead to this frame saw to make it balance perfectly but maybe it would be a bit too heavy . I need a smiley here .

[@johnzzhu]

Thoughtful comment. Sorry for the late reply, took a long break. Making stubby tenons is something that's common, I wanted to showcase a different way. The weight of the saw helps with the cut, it's end loaded; it just glides once you find a good balance point.

[@russell3421]

You can lay the wood horizontally and lower when you use the Chinese saw.

[@petehalsted1622]

Another question relating to the pins. You used pins for both ends of this saw, but in one of your other videos, I believe it was one of the half-moons or perhaps, the angled mortise and tenon, we see you using a frame saw, but it looks like the non-handle side of that saw the blade is fixed with some kind of plate and screw instead of a pin, was this a later improvement to the design or just a commercial saw?

[@johnzzhu]

The absence of a horn allows me to saw deep into a flat surface.

[@aaronjermain]

Do you take the tension out of the blade when not in use? If not, have you seen it lose the set over time?

[@johnzzhu]

I do not. The reason one would loosen the strings is because the strings stretch over time, not the blade. That is the advantage of a metal tension rod. The only stretch is possibly from the holes I pierced on the blade.

[@aaronjermain]

Thanks for the reply. I've had bow saws, the kind for cutting branches and logs, lose their set rather quickly when left under tension. Since those blades are impulse hardened, I wasn't able to correct the problem myself. I supposed if a frame saw like you have here was to lose it's set, it would be a simple matter of going back to the saw vise. I'm excited to take a stab at making one soon.

[@green_building]

that was awesome bro 🤘😎

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks.

[@孙富睿-p5y]

锯没掰锯齿，要掰锯路的

[@umpacha]

how rotate saw?

[@johnzzhu]

Rotate pins.

[@DotaBillfuc]

Great video! I also tried to make the frame saw myself. Unfortunately, I did not find any suitable material for the saw blade until I saw your video. On the side note, I noticed that Mr. Xin quansheng uses a softwood or lighter wood for the middle beam or drilling holes in the middle beam. Maybe you can try that to reduce the weight. Again, thank you for the video!

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks. Glad the saw blade video can help. I can't tell or he didn't say the specie of the wood. I find the heavier the saw the better.

[@dfu1685]

Thank you so much! I had a number of questions in my head and as the video played, you seem to answer them one after another. Also, that saw is gorgeous. Beautiful beautiful! What wood did you use? If you don’t mind me asking.

[@johnzzhu]

Yes. That's the way I planned it. It is walnut.

[@stuartosborne6263]

Great video John, thankyou for sharing. Very interesting comparing your Chinese frame saw build with Paul Seller’s European frame saw.

[@QuacGiaNgoVietCongHoa]

please drill the bar before sawing out the gap.

[@ClintRoseCarving]

Brilliant video John, I love how the Western and Chinese saws have some differences but are generally very similar and achieve the same job. Just goes to show that there's so many ways to achieve one goal. Really well made and explained, think I'm gonna put that on my list! - Clint

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks Clint. The subtle differences is night and day. I prefer plate/back saws over Western frame saws, but I have to say, the Chinese frame saw has climbed quickly to the top. I think you're going to really enjoy it.

[@Moostery]

Why did you choose a threaded rod instead of cord and a winding stick?

[@QuacGiaNgoVietCongHoa]

just because it is easy. this desigh came from indusdrial revolution in north china and i don't like it because it is come from enemis area, i still use cord.

[@parapilotalex]

Я Вам посоветовал бы полотно пилы крепить к болтам с 6 гранной шляпкой с обоих сторон, и эти шляпки болтов утапливать в массив стоек и с помощью этих 6 граней шляпок болтов, можно позиционировать направления полотна, отностительно стоек пилы под разными углами. И по моему если уж у вас натяжителем является резьбовая шпилька, рекомендуется на среднюю часть шпильку одеть полимерную трубочку.

[@boozoochavis7506]

I have to say the reason behind melting the wax with a heat gun - the wax gets way down in to the pores and grain of the wood. Is a great quick and inexpensive finish that feels very good to the touch. That finish is not super durable but can be redone when needed, and is more than enough to keep moisture and gunge (sweat and dirt) off the saw itself. Keep up the good work!

[@jime1471]

Plans for John Zhu portable workbench and Chinese Framesaw?

[@LittlePetieWheat]

What is the Chinese characters name for the pliers you hammer into the bench to stop the wood moving when planing`?

[@yiyongleng7157]

非常非常好，我一直在想框锯的优势，其中一条就是能用很薄的锯条。日本锯因为拉动切割，锯片承受的是张力而不是挤压，锯片能做到0.5mm厚（Z牌双刃）、0.3mm厚（Z牌超细目夹背）这么薄，而框锯是推锯，但通过本身自带的张紧，也能装配很薄的锯片，还能更换锯条，锯条由于窄，切割阻力小，锯偏离后还能容易回正，这些优点都得益于这简简单单的结构，我觉得很了不起

[@johnzzhu]

说的好。我有日本锯但我不喜欢用，一直用西洋的锯。造两中国锯后真佩服传统木匠。

[@josephKEOarthur]

so its a push as american blade but not a pull as a traditional pull as a Traditional Japanese pull saw?

[@a0flj0]

Just an observation: the European version has handles not for holding - the reason the frame sides have rounded edges is because it's held the same way as the Chinese one. The handles are there to allow for easier and more precise tilting of the blade. You almost never use it with the blade straight, but you also tilt the blade at very different angles. In fact, you always adjust the angle before each cut, depending on the position in which you need to cut. It's almost impossible to get a straight cut with the blade aligned with the frame - when you cut slightly bent downwards, as is very often the case, the frame would hit your shoulder. But then again, specifically because you continuously adjust the tilt of the blade, you don't want to be forced to de-tension and then re-tension the frame for each adjustment. The handles allow you to change the tilt of the blade even when the blade is tensioned.

[@johnzzhu]

Pay attention to how the saw is held in the hand.

[@johnzzhu]

Also watch how Roy Underhill holds his frame saws w/ handle. Also watch how Paul Sellers holds his frame saw, and pay attention to the fixed angle of the frame saw that Paul Sellers makes.

[@Becisz]

​@@johnzzhu british and american woodworking tradicions are a litlle bit different than in continental Europe. The handle is primarily used to rotate the saw blade (the angle can be set as needed). You can hold it while sawing, but holding it by the frame is much easier. When rip-cutting long boards, the saw was held vertically with both hands with the blade rotated 90 degrees: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r17TpqNjedR0e5o

[@18roselover]

Thanks for posting john I purchased 2 very similar saws from woodwell in china mujingfang, brand .They are made from Indonesian redwood and are heavy , the blades are some type of carbon steel1in bandsaw blade with many TPI. I also made 1 chinese type frame saw from softwoods for rip cutting , and it has a repurposed 1/2in blade that came from a yard sale . I also purchased and made 5 euro type frame saws from woodcraft and hartville. Great job , on your saw hope it gives you a lot of good use!

[@johnzzhu]

I've seen those saws, they don't particularly impress me. The ones I've made have become my go to saw. Trying to pare down all my plate saws.

[@QuacGiaNgoVietCongHoa]

mujingfang is rubbish

[@The95Genni]

Here in Germany the blade of the frame saw almost always was at an angle too ;)

[@johnzzhu]

woodworking is a great example of convergent evolution.

[@theeddorian]

It is good to see more information about traditional Chinese woodworking and tools. One point, if you check out the historical ways European frame saws were used, the angle of the blade was varied depending upon the goal and size of the stock. Ripping longer pieces requires that the blade be angled to the frame in order to cut past the stretcher. The two turned grips are not often used to push the saw. Instead they are commonly are employed to set the angle of the saw blade to the frame. It might depend a little on the size of the saw as well.

[@tooljunkie555]

That looks and cuts AWESOME John! Is there any particular reason the blade is at a 45? And like the way the wax is applied I have never used a heat gun after wiping wax on the piece of wood gonna have to try that looks like it works in turns out very well looking forward to the next one

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks Joe. I think 45 degrees is a really good balance angle, it's a natural position for the hand. So the frame saw, hand, wrist, elbow are in alignment.

[@tooljunkie555]

John Zhu OK I can see how that Works now..And always bro! LOVE THE content and detail u bring

[@thomasarussellsr]

Plus, On cutting off an end, you can cut a deeper kerf without hitting the cross bar? Or even install a ripping blade as well. You just have to design the saw arms to be deep enough for the width of the rip you do most commonly. Of course, I am guessing here, but sounds logical to me.

[@johnzzhu]

It is common in Chinese woodworking to use a mortise/tenon joint for a fixed size frame saw. I just showed the bridle joint for a movable one, like the one the Chinese master showed. My smaller (prototype) Chinese frame saw is a M/T, you can see it in the handle design part of this video.

[@tooljunkie555]

John Zhu cool bro..gonna def chk that out

[@karolskakes388]

Just found your video - well done and easy to fallow. I had not seen this construction for a frame saw before. I will bookmark and return to rewatch, before making my own. Thank You for sharing!

[@johnzzhu]

@@karolskakes388 anytime.

[@jparra4766]

Love the series. You are a master my friend.

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you. Five more to go.

[@wizardbrown7588]

Great looking saw. That said, I don't think that "traditional" is the right description as I don't believe they used wingnuts and threaded metal stock back in the day. Still, a great looking saw.

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks for the info.

[@feizhang6966]

我在国内时相当于2美元买的一个中国锯子，我居然把它带到国外了。真舍不得放弃它。

[@DannyB-cs9vx]

I just found your channel and I am impressed. The first video I seen was this one. I may make one tomorrow. I made a Western frame saw just yesterday but I like some things of your design much better like the cross bar. I like the idea of not weakening the upright pieces with a Mortice or V notches.

[@johnzzhu]

I am glad you are going to try it. Let me know how it turns out. To be clear, this is NOT my design by any means, it is a traditional Chinese style.

[@DannyB-cs9vx]

@@johnzzhu few things are completely original. It is good that we share with each other ideas and refine them to suit our purpose.

[@MRrwmac]

It’s a good feeling to make your own tools. Every time you see it and use it, it reminds you of the experience building it yourself. What was the pin made from that you finally used? Just curious: Doesn’t the application of beeswax prevent the linseed oil from penetrating and creating a permanent finish? Thanks for building and producing this series!

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks Mac. I use a nail couple mm in diameter. Bee wax is semi-permanent. Very difficult to get the stuff off, and it would prevent linseed oil application. You can do linseed oil before wax.

[@js8039]

Fantastic John . The saw is an awesome piece and I will make one someday. However your instructions on making the pin solved an immediate problem I have at this moment. So thanks for both projects.

[@johnzzhu]

Glad to hear Shannon. When the Chinese master made his frame saw, he had some sort of ready made pin, I wasn't sure what it was so I decided to use the nails.

[@flashwashington2735]

Mr. Ergo Nomics approves, His sister Eco does too.

[@Painless61]

Hi John ... it‘s not true... you can adjust the european Handsaw to 45 degrees too ... Grab the end of the Handels und twist the blade... that’s all ... after you twistet the blade, you have to tighten up the Frame and the saw Is ready to work with ... nice Video ... thx for sharing 👍🏽

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks, never said one couldn't adjust a European blade angle.

[@scottbrown3444]

beautiful. I will make one. thanks

[@fixbuild4618]

全部都是自己做的，真棒。向你学习。

[@Mr86clair]

Hi John Could you please give us some idea as to the thickness of the side pieces and the stretcher. You say the saw should be about twice the length of the ?arm. That would be roughly 24”. Would that be approximately correct and secondly the side pieces should be roughly half the length of the stretcher? I am wondering if the dimensions would make it easier to use the saw for example too long a saw would be harder to control as opposed to a saw that’s too short is compromised in the length of the stroke. I believe I am making it pretty clear that I never built a frame saw before. Thanks for a great video but it is generating some questions.

[@johnzzhu]

The side pieces are ~3/4" thick, the stretchers ~1/2" thicker than the side pieces. The actual size does really matter, it's the blade size that matters, the longest blade I have made ~30", shortest ~10"; a 16" blade should be a good starting point for an all around saw. The ratio of side:stretcher depends on how much leverage you want to have on the tensioner. I suggest you make one and you should see all the fine points. Chinese woodworking is very very flexible, there aren't a rigid set of rules, the tools are highly personalized by the user.

[@Mr86clair]

@@johnzzhu Great I am off to the races now I mean saw building my first frame saw Thank you so much

[@dstrindevall]

G'day, John. Really nice saw you made there. I'm hyped to see the rest of your tool builds!

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks Daz.

[@mattewiegand9896]

Where you at John? I'm missing your videos!

[@johnzzhu]

I'm back. Life happens. New video today.

[@juanyakimenco7890]

Exelente!!! Simple, práctica y muy portable. Le regaló un licke. Saludos

[@vaccavo]

Much better than a Japaneses saw.

[@wg3617]

手艺很好，我也是辛老爷子的云徒弟。哈哈，

[@paulanderson1915]

Just found your channel, liked and subscribed

[@johnzzhu]

Welcome aboard.

[@petehalsted1622]

A well-done project! I just found your channel as I am planning a couple of frame saw builds. And one of the questions I have been trying to determine is if the blade pins need to be fixed at 45, or if the tension is enough to keep them at the angle desired. I didn't see anywhere in your video where you fixed the pins (nails), so I am guessing that technically they could turn and it is the tension that keeps them at the desired angle?

[@johnzzhu]

The pins are not fixed. The tension from the blade is more than enough to hold them in place.

[@petehalsted1622]

@@johnzzhu Wow thanks for the quick reply, that helps a lot. I do a lot of mortise and tenon work, but Arts and Craft style, not the challenging angled stuff you do, and I am planning to build a frame saw for the purpose instead of investing in a high $$ modern tenon saw. And I am hoping it will also be useful for resawing some smaller boards, as I don't have a bandsaw.

[@Gigglezzz]

Whats up!!! Were are you man. Missing Ya on the tube

[@johnzzhu]

Still here. Just been busy with a new born, life happens. I am about to get back to it.

[@Lemongrasspicker]

Pretty cool! I like the grip method for it, makes alot of sense for extended use

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks. It really is a great grip, I can't say enough good things about the saw design.

[@MRrwmac]

All my best to you and your loved ones for a Joyful and Merry Christmas. Hope you have a Wonderful Year in 2018!

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks Mac. A, delayed, merry Christmas and happy new year to you as well.

[@boozoochavis7506]

VERY COOL VIDEO - THANKS, it's hard to come by much information on the more traditional hand tools used in China for woodworking. Any more info we can get here in the west is helpful, keep posting these as I'll watch them all!

[@stephenemerson9890]

Well done

[@chutomagh9946]

Wow! Just discovered your channel and I am so impressed with traditional Chinese tools and techniques. I also really appreciate your editing. Your videos seem so quick for the all the great teaching they contain. I guess that's why I've watched 5 hours worth already.

[@HeavyTone66]

Hi John, really good tutorial on making a frame saw, thanks for publishing it, my question, what species is the frame?

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks Tony. The frame is walnut.

[@felipehernandez2504]

Megusto su video tiene su chiste aser esta herramienta voy aser una igual megusto,saludos de mexico y tequedo chingona tu herramienta.

[@williamlott7612]

Nice job John. By the way, the threaded rod is properly called “all-thread.” Darlington, South Carolina

[@shuyangzhang7401]

中国木工工具的发展历史不是一开始就有框锯的，框锯的出现大约是南北朝的后期，中国的框锯是由刀锯-弓形锯-框锯这样发展而来，但是不得不说，日本人在刀锯这方面，把锯齿齿形的研究发展的更好，而中式锯有了框锯这个结构以后，已经能够满足木作需求了，在锯齿这方面的理论不如日本和欧美。 继 框锯 以 后 , 特 殊形 式的框锯 也随之 出现 , 如挖锯等 , 可 以在板仿 上加 工 出 曲线状 的边缘 , 从 而再次提 高加 工效率 。 唐代的建筑 遗物 中 , 常有 硕大 的驼峰 , 并 用掐瓣式 。 从 这 种构件的形 式来看 , 应 是用框锯 配合曲凿加 工 的 , 比用 凿类 斧类砍研刻制 , 效率更高 。 框锯 的 出现 , 还 改变 了木 工工具的配套组合关 系 , 促使 了平 木工具 的重 大变革 。 南 北 朝 以前 , 木作加工 工序从粗至 细大 概地 有斤 、 斧 -撕 、 削-奢等 ; 唐代 以 后 , 除用 于粗加工有 斤 斧外 , 细 平木工 具 出现 了多种 探索 , 见 诸文 献者 , 有 撕 (馁 ) 、 铲 ( 捻 ) 、饱 、 锉 、 嫉 、 锄等 。 特 别是 , 饱及平 推饱的发 明 、 演化 , 直接促进 了小 木作等 的进 一步 发展 , 并 逐步代替 了其 它平 木工具 , 与框锯 长期 地 配套使 用 , 成为 迄今仍在 使用 的最重 要 的平木 工具。

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks for your input. Not sure why this is relevant to the video. Since the primary focus of the video is to make a Chinese frame saw. Not to discuss the nuances and history, the second of which I can admit to know very little. I don't have access to history museums that feature tools. If you like Japanese saw so much you should then use it. From my use of English, Japanese, European, and Chinese saw I have grown to prefer the Chinese frame saw over all others. And history is written by the winners. I can only do comparative analysis between the different tools I have used, and propose hypothesis that are testable. Chinese history is spotty at best since the cultural revolution destroyed so much of it. You appear to be knowledgeable in this field, this reminds me of an old Chinese saying "to discuss military strategy on paper." You should put it on youtube and share your insight.

[@Tugmun11]

John great project, excellent vedio, I enjoy all your stuff

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks RK.

[@ricowolany4078]

Wow 😮😀 sehr schöne Arbeit . 👍

[@KazimirArdekanian]

Excellent craftsmanship. It would be good to use a string instead of a metal rod.

[@JeepTherapy]

I like it! One question comes to mind. It’s just the pressure holding the beam in place. Why didn’t they use a little joinery to keep it in one spot like the English style? And the 45 degree angle of the blade makes it so much easier to follow lines. I do that all the time. Cool vid. Thank you.

[@johnzzhu]

There are ones w/ mortise and tenons, in this style you can slide the beam up to make more room. The hand position is going to make it even easier.

[@QuacGiaNgoVietCongHoa]

long joinery is not necessary, chinese joinery is a bolt with a mushroom head.

[@ralph40]

Thank you John, impressive skills. Idle curiosity, the wood that you used appeared to be walnut. Is that correct? It's been a while for me, but walnut is a joy to work.

[@johnzzhu]

Yes, it is walnut.

[@a0flj0]

​@@johnzzhu Most European frame saws I held in my hands - it was the saw of choice for larger cuts for all sorts of wood workers, from cabinet makers to wooden house builders, when I grew up, and as a child I'd rather be in a workshop than in a candy shop - were made of lighter wood. Is hardwood specific for Chinese frame saws?

[@Jay2525Jay]

John, one question please you said the reflection helped you keeps the cut true. I do understand could explain this to me. Thank you.

[@johnzzhu]

If the reflection of the cut is at 90 degrees then the cut is at 90 degrees. You can make a right angle on a piece of wood and place a saw on it and observe the refection.

[@Jay2525Jay]

John Zhu I understand, thank you so much. Jared

[@teresapoudrier494]

If one uses sand paper then a cabinet scraper, the grit from the paper is left in the wood and the scraper finds it.

[@acuzamendoza]

Gracias por esa gran lección, excelente vídeo, muy didáctico, con el paso a paso no necesite entender tu idioma, hablaste el idioma universal cuando los vídeos son formativos, educativos, para el aprendizaje de técnicas, con el método hacer aciendo y viéndolo y un paso a paso secuencial en la construcción del conocimiento en imágenes, eso es ser excelente, aprendí y a preste el conocimiento a través de tu vídeo, gracias por permitir aprender técnicas milenarias constructivas para hacer arte, eres un artista y estas forjando artistas.

[@thoperSought]

that's great! I'm really enjoying this series! I changed this after I saw you'd answered my question in another comment.

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks TS. Glad you read some of the comments.

[@thoperSought]

well, I feel like an idiot for not reading a bit first to see if you'd answered my question already. this was esp. interesting to me, because the round handle on trad. European frame saws always seemed like it would be horribly awkward. anyway, thanks for making this. I'm going to give the Chinese vid a watch. I wish I were able to understand Chinese, but I'm sure it'll still be interesting.

[@QuacGiaNgoVietCongHoa]

并不一定是永遠45度，往往小於45度

[@antoniogonzaganeto958]

Muito legal, obrigado por compartilhar conosco um abraço de Manaus Amazonas Brasil.

[@enriquin58]

Buen trabajo, me encantan las sierras antiguas y tradicionales. Gracias y un saludo desde Spain 🇪🇸

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you. Someday I'd like to visit Spain.

[@QuacGiaNgoVietCongHoa]

the ordinary chinese saw have a pine frame in the center and two hard wood handle on the side , the pine is light.

[@nedrishkrat2995]

ГУУД

[@fernandolobaoemoficnadeapt9197]

Idéia espectacular , parabéns pelo trabalho e apresentação !

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you, glad you liked it.

[@dpmeyer4867]

I like the leather-wrapped handle

[@johnzzhu]

It works well.

[@OpekiskaWood]

That is a great project! Thanks so much for sharing with us.

[@johnzzhu]

Thanks and you're welcome.

[@GOLDSMITHEXILE]

Great build! LOL I once built a frame saw with a twist rope tension and section of bandsaw blade. I cranked it up, and it was working fine, then, the ROPE snapped and the handle whipped round and smacked me on the side of the head, right between my left ear and left eye.

[@johnzzhu]

I snapped the original brass pin I used to hold the saw. Thank God no injuries.

[@woodbineshark]

Hi John stumbled upon your channel when looking on tips on cutting and lying out beveled legs for a stool. Really enjoy your video they are excellent. Thank you Marc from Calgary Alberta Canada

[@johnzzhu]

Glad you are here. I lived in the Calgary area in the early 90s.

[@andrewdesrosiers5396]

“I replaced the weak pin with a very strong pin” - could you elaborate? I, too have attempted to use finish nails for pins on a homemade bow saw blade in the past, with similar results ;) What did you ultimately use for the pins?

[@johnzzhu]

I used a steel/iron nail of the proper size and strength for my application.

[@valerianochaves1635]

Show, show, show, parabéns pela criatividade...

[@kaiwenhe5518]

John , where did you get those blades ?

[@johnzzhu]

I made it, see link in description.

[@vicvic7678]

I would be interested in what you do for sale ?

[@fernandolobaoemoficnadeapt9197]

Pode passar as medidas que foram usadas? Obrigado!

[@GeoManTips]

Nice tutorial

[@s7nf]

Hey man, love the video and your work, but I have to disagree on the comment about european saws. They were always used at an angle. Hence the handles for adjusting the blade angle. It could be that one of the reasons that some people use it straight is that they copied the Paul Sellers design.

[@johnzzhu]

You're allowed to disagree in an open society. I've never seen them used consistently at an angle. Nor is it comfortable for me to try and use them at any angle except 90 degrees. There was woodworking before Paul Sellers; he is popular but that doesn't make him "good." There are plenty of people orders of magnitude better than PS.

[@RobCardIV]

does this saw do something unique or well ? why bother with such a big setup. does it have some advantage ? oh maybe the tension pulling on the blade helps keep it from binding ? i dont know

[@johnzzhu]

The saw just saws wood, it doesn't do anything special. I don't understand the "big setup" it is simpler than Western frame saw in the making. All bow/frame saws require some method of creating tension. This Chinese frame saw's advantage is accuracy and ease of use in the right hand.

[@baimingwang5922]

锯拐还可以做鹅头 鹰嘴等更有特色的样式嘿嘿😁

[@johnzzhu]

是可以但没比要，画蛇(不可)添足。

[@baimingwang5922]

确实，好用就行没必要再复杂了

[@chebbahdjamel9459]

Encore du beau travail soigné.

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you.

[@Photostudioww]

Great video 👍

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you.

[@zhenyundu4169]

亲爱的朋友，我有用匡锯且比较喜欢，好奇的是为什么你要用螺杆不用绳子来拉，重心太高我个人觉得会消耗更多的力气在保持稳定上！

[@johnzzhu]

The threaded rod doesn't stretch compared to ropes.

[@jrgenfriborg3508]

Hej. The euro. You just twist the blade if you need longer cut. Therfor the handel. Lusen the string and twist.

[@johnzzhu]

It is possible. Many saws don't rotate. After using the Chinese frame saw, I wouldn't go back to the European frame saw. Even though I learn to use a frame saw on a european one.

[@carlopieracci2828]

thank you for this inspirational video..i'm following the Whole series about chinese hand tools and find them efficient and much more simpler than western counterparts. could you share with us dimensions of this frame saw?

[@johnzzhu]

Thank you. The saw is about twice as long as it is wide. It should be make to suit your needs.