Framing a House - Is that ALL OSB?!?!

Jordan walks us through all of the different building materials used to frame this LP Whole Home Farmhouse.
Answers to Frequently Asked Questions:
Q. Isn't that just a cheap alternative to dimensional lumber?
A. No. Premium Engineered wood is a more dimensionally stable, straighter, longer wood product than dimensional lumber. It is usually more expensive than its solid lumber counterpart.
Q. Won't it decompose when exposed to water?
A. No. These products should not be confused with cheap commodity OSB. Even though two boards may look similar, there are big differences in the engineering and adhesives behind the premium products. We have tested these products in rain and weather over the course of several months. They are still structurally sound and show no signs of decomposition, unlike the dimensional lumber we are also testing which show checking and warping.
Q. Does the Engineered Lumber Off-Gas?
A. No. California CARB documentation lists these products as non-emitters.
Q. How did you attach the pile system to the LVL's?
A. We welded a cap plate on top of the piles, and screwed the cap plate to the LVL grid.
Q. How are you insulating the crawl space?
A. XPS foam board attached to the I joists.
Q. Where can I get stuff?
A. See Below
LP Building Solutions products : lpcorp.com/
Nailers : www.paslode.com
CutHub : cuthub.com
Miter Saw : amzn.to/2wjRKVj
Circular Saw: amzn.to/321CyIl

[@MrSaxojes]

Great video. Tetragrip looks interesting. Looking forward to that vid

[@AdamSmith-po5pd]

Their smart side is awesome stuff! Holds paint forever. Did a friends garage with it 15 years ago then later his house. Was there a week ago noticing how good the paint still looks.

[@robertrusso5525]

Jordan, LP and Sears should get together and Sears can start selling kit houses again and both companies can profit from it!

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Not a bad idea. I think a full house kit would be cool to design

[@giacalonebuilding4443]

Also to give credit where credit is due I’ve installed nothing but hardie for lap siding for the past 12 years but have moved to only using LP trim and soffit and probably 50-70% LP over hardie siding the past 2-3 years. The installers prices are about 10-15% less with LP not to mention no respirators from the silica dust is a big plus. Their siding products are awesome now we’ll just have to see if they last as long and hold paint like fiber cement

[@TrogdorBurnin8or]

I'm not sure why I love the bumper music, but I love the bumper music. Tetragrip needs some Project Farm style testing against other options.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Yeah it does, I'm going to start working on that!

[@rapfreak7797]

I was about to comment about potential for rebates would be compelling but they're already doing it. Awesome!

[@unglabooboo]

Love that Cut Hub work station!

[@r3d_ti3_guy]

The quality of materials and pride in workmanship shows in your work area and attention to detail. Very impressive. Love the WRB and expert finish siding.

[@kylebook5187]

Love the music at the end

[@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet]

lp Smart side has been my go to since it came out. And it's gotten much better. We route our ends to lap like the new expert finish stuff. I really like that they're offering that now. It's not in my area that ive seen but will save some time and money. 👍also we use green and rust red sheethings and advantech subfloor because it's what everyone stocks. I'd really like to use the 1 1/8" lp. I bet the deflection in that floor is ridiculously minimal. LP please push the new products in mid MO. Thanks! Thanks Jordan. Love the lp farmhouse build.

[@isleofgreg]

Why is everyone speaking in code? Just say Zip System Sheathing, in 7/16 and 1/2-5/8

[@gsneff]

The new slip joint is fantastic. I will certainly be looking at this product for future projects.

[@wileycoyotesr8623]

Super interesting. Always nice to see the future in building.

[@KJSvitko]

Zip R has insulation attached to the product that makes a thermal break around the building. Seems like a great product for a well insulated air sealed building. From ¼ or ½ or 1" insulation

[@wjthehomebuilder]

Actually up to 2" thick insulation.

[@allysonand]

Having worked in the rot repair business for a little bit I would only trust a high-end and high-quality builder with engineered studs. Those things will rot so quickly it's not even funny so if all the waterproofing and ventilation details are not taken care of perfectly then this house would be nothing but a ticking time bomb.

[@quacktony]

Someone page Matt risinger, need this tested

[@TheZseries]

Exactly. Your waterproofing must be absolutly perfect or this will rot and turn into a wet sponge.

[@quacktony]

@@TheZseries flooding?

[@jagslion3]

Two thumbs up for the lady behind the camera!

[@johnmorgan1629]

Kyle doing the nail test, then shows Greg doing his best springboard impression. Talking of Kyle, having to wear a hardhat, poor fella. Like the shiplap, you don't have the problem of caulk/sealant drying out, mechanical or wear from sunlight, thus less maintenance. In my opinion it looks better, not like an after thought of prevention action, but like it is how it is supposed to be, with a intentional reveal line.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Yeah, he was a good sport for legal. But it felt dumb. I think that detail is smart too!

[@hellonoko]

Excellent video comrade, my favorite siding is structural masonry. 😀

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

In Soviet Russia you don't have to waterproof the building, the building waterproofs you! 😀

[@tl4633]

Great stuff Jordan.

[@matthewcrockett106]

I’m a huge fan of the Smart siding as well. It’s a far superior product compared to the fiber cement siding. Unfortunately many of the developers have restrictions for a masonry type of cladding to meet fire classifications. Looking forward to future episodes👍 ProBuilt Construction Caldwell, TX

[@dorsetengineering]

The rain screen weatherlogic would be a popular export product for use over here in the uk. We always batten out underneath siding/cladding and anything that makes that process easier/faster would be good

[@FredMcIntyre]

Seems like all great products! 😃👍🏻👊🏻

[@giacalonebuilding4443]

Check out bear skin flashing for joints. It’s basically a pad of post it note type material for joint flashing super simple not sharp it’s a little pricey ($65) for a 50 sheet book but is super convenient. Also “H” style clips for LP are pretty cool they flash the back and cover the front of siding with wood grain texture. House looks amazing! But don’t fool these people they’re building products are trash! They’re sheathing is junk not sure about the stuff he used on the roof never used but advantech and zip is leaps and bounds ahead not to mention the zip flashing products kill LP

[@T.E.P.]

superb vid .. great job

[@aaaaaaaaaa697]

That slip joint is a game changer

[@lorenrickey5481]

Just read up on the Paslode tetragrip fasteners, it states that you don’t have to use subfloor adhesive to have a no squeak floor.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Probably true. But I like the Belton suspenders approach.

[@meuass]

Amazing what you can build with alil saw dust & glue 👊😎

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

Guess you forgot to mention Huber sued LP for patent infringement over the WeatherLogic system and that Huber won a case last June against another 'Zip-like' competitor...expect LP to stop selling this soon...

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Huber is definitely going to protect their patents. I'm not educated on the state of the suit, but just like GP force field, a winning suit from Huber doesn't mean that the product will go off the market. It just might result in licensing fees. Again this is just my speculation, the suit is over a year old and they're still moving on with manufacturing and marketing, so I'm confident it won't be falling off the market anytime soon. Time will tell. Thanks for the comment!

[@ledebuhr1]

@@JordanSmithBuilds I believe that LP is paying Huber a licenses fee to make WeatherLogic. I'm assuming this is also true for Gp. It would be interesting to know if Gp or Lp plan on introducing an insulated version of the sheathing(ZipR). Or is that going to be exclusive to Huber?

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Rumor has it that LP is working on an insulated panel as well as an techshield WeatherLogic panel with insulation!

[@materialclassified]

I think I saw you this past Saturday standing on the roof filming. We were in a white Tundra. Mind if we stop in on our next drive?

[@joshsatterlee2078]

Jordan, did you mention in one video that you can send your plans to LP and they’ll engineer it? Also, will they send you a pre-cut package? If you could save the labor of not cutting each stud/beam/sheet, that would save lots of cost. Plus the quality would be off the charts... is this possible?

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Not LP, but Builders FirstSource. They will pre-cut all of the framing lumber, but not the sheathing.

[@sketchapp3783]

How are you closing the gap between the ground and bottom of the house? I'm trying wrap my head around that detail and how it would work on sloped lots. thanks

[@AnthonyGriffin23]

Jordan can you do a more in-depth video if the piling system and metal connections you used. I'm a builder in MS and all we have is clay soil. I'm leaning heavily towards a conventional foundation instead of a post tension slab for my next home. Thanks.

[@matthewbuchanan3460]

Anthony Griffin try Ewing and Ray Foundation Services or Ram Jack Mississippi. They both install helical piers for repair or new builds. It’s very cost effective. They have it monetized to a per pier installation.

[@jacksprat7087]

You said you wanted air flow under the house. But did you show how you insulated under the floor??? I couldn’t find it if you did. Would really like to know.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

We did close cell spray foam

[@jacksprat7087]

@@JordanSmithBuilds On this house or a different house?

[@bendaniel6245]

Love the LP content- do they have videos on torture testing these products? I’ve seen some tests from competitors in sheething and videos from door and window manufacturers that show them putting their stuff through hell- made me believe in them more and I imagine it’d do the same here

[@jhonnycifuentes6638]

It’s a great product to work with but you can match it to James Hardie siding

[@DeDraconis]

How do those osb studs handle getting wet?

[@bluenadas]

About as well as gelatin

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Great! Go check my Instagram feed where I show these things getting soaked. There's absolutely no structural degradation at all. I've had a test sample sitting out in a pasture for 4 months now beside a standard 2 x 4 dimensional lumber. The LSL looks brand new, and the two-by-four is warped, cracked and graying. I'm as surprised as anybody. I grew up using cheap OSB for applications where it never was intended to be used, and called it vertical mulch. This stuff isn't even in the same universe.

[@andiarrohnds5163]

i think OSB has untapped potential. the binding agent may be improved in the future to add better structural integrity and/or better fire protection and/or lower cost of and/or better water protection

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

I'm sure the resins and binders will get better with time, but they're super robust in the current state on high-end OSB products. I have had board of smartside and solid start sitting out in the pasture for 8 months with nearly no degradation. Amazing!

[@andiarrohnds5163]

@@JordanSmithBuilds yeah? which brand names are high end? hard to find names for wood on the internet, haha

[@guytech7310]

Did you just drive pilings into the ground with no vapor barrier to protect the bottom floor from rot? No exterior continuous insulation?

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Spray foam insulation and a ventilated crawlspace

[@guytech7310]

@@JordanSmithBuilds That's one heck of a delayed reply :)

[@vtboy51]

Can I request color samples of the LP Smart siding with the Expert Finish?

[@xoxo2008oxox]

Was renovating my kitchen (1949 built cape) and the exterior walls were tongue-groove in diagonal pattern. Won't see that anymore...

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Made from old growth trees I'm sure. ❤️ I love the old craftsmanship. In the 1940s, I'm sure there is no air conditioning in that house either. things get tricky when us humans want to keep our interior environment drastically different than the exterior.

[@vansage2691]

when are they going to marry the tech shield and weather logic and make a mutant radiant-wrb product? I remember in the late 80's early 90's the Re-Max radiant foam board was used in a lot of track homes. seems like it was headed in the right direction with radiant barrier on the walls just not structurally.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

I think they are working on an insulated panel now. The roofing version may have insulation and radiant barrier comes. You would see less/no benefit in the walls, because there's less radiant energy beating down on them. Also you want as much insulation in your cavity as possible, and as soon as you have anything physically touching your radiant barrier, you've defeated the purpose, as your heat is now conducting rather than radiating.

[@vansage2691]

@@JordanSmithBuilds With Radiant barrier board how are you building a conditioned attic? Do you leave a air gap between insulation and radiant board?

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

@@vansage2691 yes. I'm using a cathedral ceiling batt that leaves an air gap between the insulation and radiant barrier. My air sealing is done from the roof deck.

[@nedunonnyp704]

These Wood Panelings Have Odor Especially the OSB. I Am Highly Sensitive to Odors. It Makes Me terribly Sick. I've Spent a Better part Of the past Weeks Browsing the Internet for Alternative to Wood Framing Panels. But Everything seems to be some type of Wood or Engineered wood. I would ideally like something with PVC or FRP that would have the Strength and Rigidity of Wood but without Odor. Do you have any ideas/suggestions??

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

I’m sorry to hear about your sensitivity. However, I don’t think the answer is more plastic and chemicals in PVC or FRP. There are wood-based products that are low to no VOC like Timber HP. You might also look at something like hemp Crete

[@wjthehomebuilder]

Yeah... But they make you wear hard hats while installing siding! LOL!

[@ddellwo]

SmartSide products are not a hardboard product - they are based on a high-resin content OSB that performs at a level that is far superior to the old hardboard-based products from eras past.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Yeah. It did feel kind of dumb...

[@72strand]

Go 24 on center for studs to save a lot of money.

[@andreycham4797]

is strength of smart siding not enough to prevent rocking ? In my opinion using smart siding with osb sheathing is waste of money

[@andreycham4797]

since you listen Russian song and you are a fan of pile foundation as well you could learn from them how to make concrete screws for foundation

[@loganpatterson4674]

Andrey Cham bad idea to expose structural members to the weather

[@luisibarra7132]

What saw table is that? The Milwaukee one I have is super clumsy. Love the saw though!

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Cut Hub! It's legitimate

[@scorpio6587]

Hilarious!

[@johnchung3949]

Did I win a free puppy?

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Sorry. Veronica won't let me give away free puppies. DM me your address, and when our first order of hats come in I'll make sure I shoot you one!

[@mattdaddy_888]

Another example of just how shitty modern lumber is! OSB 2x4 what else is new.

[@markshaw2207]

Google "Masonite or hardboard siding" before choosing LP SmartSide.

[@markshaw2207]

@Corey Lambrecht That's what LP SmartSide is.

[@nomen_meus]

@@markshaw2207 LP SmartSide is not a hardboard-type product. It is an engineered strand product (essentially OSB). It uses an exterior-grade binder and is treated with a preservative to prevent rot.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Not Masonite at all. Huge difference. Go to the local lumber yard and ask for a piece of LP smartside and prove it to yourself. It's legitimate.

[@markshaw2207]

@@nomen_meus Sorry, but we got burnt in my part of the country and it isn't happening again. Be wary when a marketing department calls anything "Smart." Just look at some of the KZbin videos of failures... kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqOVpHiHfbZ9qMk

[@markshaw2207]

@@JordanSmithBuilds Water exposure is the failure mechanism, not impact strength, etc.

[@gojoeyr]

funny you poor people believe that scraps glued together make a real piece of lumber. 'tsk Tsk

[@heknows5418]

gojoeyr it's is stronger according to the test I have seen, always thought it wasn't but now I've been convinced .it is denser

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

@@heknows5418 It's stronger than regular lumber but far less tolerant of moisture. Unless you get your wrb details perfect, think twice about using engineered studs in exterior walls or wet areas like showers.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

I'm curious where you're getting your data from? I'm not being defensive or trying to be a jerk I would just really like to see some testing that shows the decay rate in high moisture environment of engineered lumber vs. Dimensional lumber. my non-scientific LSL out in the field next to dimensional lumber is showing otherwise. The dimensional lumber is cracking and warping, and the LSL looks nearly brand-new four months in.

[@JordanSmithBuilds]

Unfortunately, nobody in our generation has bought a "real" piece of lumber from a lumber yard. The old growth forests have been claimed and all of our wood is coming from plantation grown forests at this point. New growth just doesn't have the density or strength that an old growth tree has. These LS cells perform much better than any new growth lumber you will buy off the shelf.

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

@@JordanSmithBuilds Not a jerk question at all. It's just my experience with engineered lumber vs conventional lumber shows much higher decay/loss of structural integrity when subjected to similar wet conditions. Engineered lumber expands and falls apart as the glue bonds delaminate, leaving a pile of chips that have lost almost all structural strength. Doug Fir is common around here and it takes years of wetting to see similar damage. I imagine it's worse in hot/humid climates. Engineered lumber seems slower to absorb water but takes much longer to dry - and it's the longer time to dry that seems to cause the accelerated damage