Framing Joseph

[@morjulies]

While watching this video, I, for the first time felt tremendous grief for those who took part in polygamy, especially those who were abandoned by their spouse or willingly gave up their companion for some supposed higher calling and blessings. The passage from Brother Hill and His wife makes me especially sick. 🤢🤢🤢🤢 It is not pleasant to come to this understanding, but I know that God is bringing about this work through you. Thank you for doing what you know in your heart to be right and let the consequences follow!!! Your work and testimony have supported me tremendously. I've known about it for several years, but I am finally ready to listen, as heartbreaking it is. I sincerely thank you.

[@awakeandarise7238]

Any church should be fully transparent about all their dealings and let the people discern for themselves, Isaiah prophesies, that 'the Lord will reveal all our secret parts' - which wouldn't be necessary if we didn't have so many 'lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of SECRET abominations'. It's Lovely to see your well researched, passionate pursuit of truth once again! God bless you and your family. 💛

[@hal8683]

Yes, the cult does MORE HARM than GOOD... don't let it!! fraud and lies are not good!

[@paulgregersen3570]

Yes,Joseph Smith is proven to be in your Bible. God himself gave Joseph an exact timeline striking 1830 exactly when he restored the church. That means you are a victim of propaganda. A thousand Dallars reward if you can prove it's not in your Bible. Link UTube (BOA ep 16) by me.

[@paulgregersen3570]

Yes

[@greghymas7875]

Amen brother! Thanks for your faithful telling! I was disfellowshipped for my blog post about similar findings and scriptural evidence against polygamy. Shortly after I was moving my family to north Idaho and en route, I was sent your first polygamy video. I wept as I heard a faithful telling of the same things I had found. I could not be silent. Eventually I was excommunicated as well. Your faith bolstered mine as the devil attacked me relentlessly. That video was a nugget for me to hold on to. The Lord used you to extend an olive branch I desperately needed. Thank you for being true to God! God be praised for the gift of his Son, Jesus Christ.

[@noctissky794]

I read your blog and have watched some of your videos. I appreciate the things you've shared.

[@greghymas7875]

@@noctissky794 thank you. God is so good. He is shedding light on darkness. Thanks for your goodness. Hearing you makes it all worth it!

[@ironeagle9850]

I understand this was very painful for you. What I don’t understand is your implicit rejection of the church because of your rejection of its leaders, yet you continue to use language and terminology that was born in the church. What faith are you referring to? I’m curious to know your position on the truth claims of the church. If you don’t believe it, why does it matter? I say this with all due respect, no intention to cause any bad feelings.

[@badmoonhorizon98]

How can anyone still believe that the Mormon Church / LDS is TRUE....... When based on so many LIES & DECEPTIONS , and CoverUps...!!! And it all started by Joseph Smith...!! Just look at Polygamy / Polyandry ( ADULTRY) Black's & the Priesthood / Blood Atonement ,,,,,,Killings / the 9 different accounts of the So called First Vision..!! Mountain Meadows Massacre / Hahn Mill / the 3,800 changes in the Book of Mormon / the LDS Money Counterfitting $$ / also Joseph Scandals on starting a Bank , and their own money, and Scammed many people // The COUNSEL of the FIFTY, and them declaring of being the KINGS of the earth....!! The Book of Abraham B.S. ...!!! ALL made up...!!! Reformed Egyption B.S. ,,,,, The SCANDALS & EVIL DOINGS is Countless..!!! How much Evil crap needs to be done, for one to WAKE UP...??!! Just believe in GODS WORD The "BIBLE" ........And anyone who Adds to , or takes away from his WORD,,, Let them be Accursed...!!!! Joseph Smith got the Good former BIBLE THUMPING CHRISTIANS ( Mormon Peoples) to miss Trust the BIBLE, and brought them another gospel / B.O.M.....!!! The gospel of Joseph Smith,,, NOT the GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST....!!! You can run around in Circles Forever trying to make it all sound believable... But ,, even EMMA SMITH , and her Sons left the Church , after Joseph's death... Emma Smith also tried to Poison her Husband twice...!!! Open your eye's ....!!! It isn't that tough to see the SHAM,,, that began in 1820....!!!!

[@herbofallon965]

Those who reject the leaders of the Church are rejecting the Gospel.

[@ErindorEspeon]

Please, please continue seeking the truth and sharing your findings; as a member of the church, our faith was started with the question "which church should I join?" God wants us to search, to have a relationship with him, not to defer to men without seeking confirmation ourselves. You're bringing hope to a lot of disillusioned young adults who still love the gospel, but sense something is amiss. I wish you peace, clarity of mind, and inspiration as you continue your search for truth.

[@aliceaubalmasque3645]

Not only young adults ... I have been a member of the church for more than 40 years and I am asking myself more and more questions 🤔

[@endlesseverfall3176]

@@aliceaubalmasque3645 Do you think the Gospel that we learned from The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, is false? If so...which doctrine are false? Just don't focus on the Church leaders sins/mistakes. Do you think Jesus will not call modern prophets in this last days? If so... which church is his really true church here on earth? Remember, even the very elect will be deceived. Remember, the Freemason got their ordinances in pieces from the ancient times during King Solomon times. If you follow Jesus Christ, The Holy Ghost and think about in great detail about The Parable Of The Ten Virgins, you will know, if you are qualified. Just worry about your own salvation first, before you worry about church leaders shenanigan's.

[@aliceaubalmasque3645]

@@endlesseverfall3176 In Solomon's temple, animals were sacrificed according to the Law of Moses, nothing to do with the Freemasonic ceremonies that emerged in Europe around the 16th and 17th centuries. You can find all this information from serious historians.

[@rickcromar826]

Thank God for the truth coming out that shows polygamy is a "damned fool doctrine." And thanks to you, Rob, for your work in putting together this and all of your other videos. The way you present the material is very clear and methodical, making it easier to understand an otherwise complex history. I have learned so much, and I greatly appreciate your commitment to truth and integrity. May God blessings be with you.

[@teinelaume]

yay! glad you're back.

[@drakelazerus]

You shake up the beehive you're gunna get stung! But you have proven my friend that truth is sweeter than honey and worth the consequences! You have brought me clarity and closer to my God with your videos than any FARM publication ever has. You are still part of the fold in my opinion. May you be blessed as you continue to seek for it and share it.

[@myoung1398]

Another fantastic summary of the historical record. Thank you for your efforts

[@rebekahgriffin567]

Thank you for your thorough research and clear presentation on these topics. Your videos are invaluable. I appreciate your courage to share truth despite the opposition.

[@rachellott4978]

We’ve missed you Rob!! Can’t tell you how excited we are to watch this! You are a genius! The world needs more people like you!!

[@herbofallon965]

A genius? Quite unlikely.

[@Edwin-un3px]

You’re solid with me and my peeps Rob. It’s always interesting the churches reactions to this type of extremely calm and even tempered content, since all of your commentary is just simply the churches own historical documents. But par for the course for them. Stay the course.

[@Rona904]

Thank you for sharing this work to expose the lies so that truth can prevail ..for those that have ‘eyes to see and ears to hear’…and to exonerate the names of Joseph and Hyrum. I’m so tired of their names, and Emma’s, being smeared and lied about. I stand with you. I found these truths a couple years ago and resigned my membership. I separated ‘the wheat from the chaff’. I have not left the truths. It has been sad to witness those who leave Him and His Word/scriptures because of corrupt men. Prayer/meditation is important and choosing to make that time happen everyday to spend with Him, asking Him any questions you have… a relationship with Him. Some have left it all…even, even when they have had or felt a prior witness of Joseph and/or the Book of Mormon because they never detangled the things of men and what is of Him. They simply and hastily ‘threw out the The Baby with the bath water’.

[@lisagrace6471]

Perfectly said. I think the greatest tragedy of all of this is how many people leave God for good because of this nasty spiritual abuse....but at the same time....I don't blame them....the brainwashing is so so strong. It would rock most people.

[@Rona904]

@@lisagrace6471 I agree, it is so strong. Many leave this life never knowing, sad. Only He can break through that. And you need to have a desire, first, to want to know and then, second, ask Him. He is the only way to truth.💜

[@1961Tuber]

Polygamy, started by whom, practiced by whom, lied about by whom, is enough to prove that THE LDS CHURCH IS A FALSE SECT. It was a Black Mark against The Church way back when...Its early practice is a disqualifying fact in 2023. To think that The Leadership came up with it...practiced it...damaged The Church with it... clearly proves that Church Leaders were not really in contact with Diety, nor represented Them.

[@masterbulgokov]

The thing I appreciate the most about Rob's videos is the careful attention to distinguish between proof and circumstantial evidence. The word "alleged" is refreshing to hear. Rob's efforts appeal to a truly skeptical mind because they are determined to weigh conflicting evidence, rather than jump to conclusions that MAY be as unsupported that the conclusions the Church has drawn for itself. I find most often that both the Church and those critical of it BOTH abandon Rob's clear carefulness and just take as fact whatever suits their bias.

[@herbofallon965]

The Church is true. Those who fight agaist it will condemn themselves.

[@masterbulgokov]

@@herbofallon965 "The Church is true." What do you mean by that? Was it true when Brigham taught blood atonement and Adam-God theory from the General Conference pulpit? Was it true when they excluded men from the priesthood based on the color of their skin, and then didn't? Was it true when they decided that children of same-sex couples couldn't be members, and then they changed their mind? Was it true both times? Was it true when the WoW was a "given neither by commandment nor constraint", and then evolved to become a test of faith to receive "vital" ordinances? Was it true when JS prophesied that Jesus would return by 1891 "in the name of the God of Israel"? Did folks who pointed out that black men were ordained to the priesthood under Joseph Smith "condemn themselves"? It's ironic that your message here illuminates my gripe in the first place: You just declare something with no foundation ("The Church is true"), and then throw out this judgment of condemnation without refuting anything in Rob's video. Weak sauce.

[@outlawedmedia4336]

@@herbofallon965 a ham sandwich is true. Those who fight agaist it will condemn themselves.

[@duncansh81]

Rob, I personally want to thank you for the work you have done and hopefully will continue to do. I know it has been hard on you and your family and I know that you've not published any new videos for quite some time. However, your desire for the truth has helped me in my effort to know the truth. My journey started about 2 yrs ago when I began making a concerted effort to feel and know God more in my life. That has led me on a journey of truth b/c I found that once my ultimate desire was to know God, He needed to purge many of the false ideas and beliefs I was holding. I now know more than I ever considered before but I know there is still much to learn. Thank you again. Blessings to you and your family.

[@akunz1002]

Perfect. Obvious His Spirit guides you. Grateful for these facts. God bless.

[@ajboyle]

Brilliant, as always! Thank you for your sacrifice to get the truth out. For those who defend Joseph, D&C 122 has this to say about Joseph and you, and also those who betray(ed) him: 1 The ends of the earth shall inquire after thy name, and fools shall have thee in derision, and hell shall rage against thee; 2 While the pure in heart, and the wise, and the noble, and the virtuous, shall seek counsel, and authority, and blessings constantly from under thy hand. 3 And thy people shall never be turned against thee by the testimony of traitors.

[@michaelsutherland5848]

Welcome back, Rob, it's good to see your work again. Yet another excellent essay.

[@hal8683]

Thanks to all who expose this Cult ! World of Fraud at all levels!

[@JLH1946]

I am so grateful for your work and your channel. I was really losing my testimony because of certain church history issues that were just really bothersome. I feel like this information will allow me to hold on to my testimony of the gospel and most importantly, of the prophet Joseph Smith. Thank you so much.

[@DMN96]

So glad to see you continue this! I don't know if you remember me but a few years ago I believe you and I used to work out with Seth at the COB gym. I wish I would have been able to pick your brain then! But I wasn't awake yet. Thank you for helping me wake up to the real truths and not just failing into the typical anti. I've always loved the BofM and what you've discussed about Joseph aligns with what the spirit has taught me about him over my lifetime. - Matt D

[@Telavian]

Thank you for your diligence and dedication. I was disfellowshipped about a year ago for simply sharing true verifiable things in church that were inconvenient to the leadership. It is a bit lonely at times and very sad to see people take over a church you love and then kick you out of it. However, my love and trust in God has only gotten deeper. There are certain shackles we have that need to be broken for us to fully come to God.

[@conniewaterman1673]

My husband was excommunicated for his blog puremormonism. He wrote posts about this very subject years ago. I left on my own, because the contradictions and deceit became too much to bear. This can be a lonely road. I hope you find joy and peace.

[@Telavian]

@@conniewaterman1673 Your husband has done a great work and I am thankful for his blog. It is a shame the LDS church is kicking out the best among us. However God wants to know whether we love him or the works of men more.

[@jennedge123]

Once they start to kick out the righteous, what does that mean? The church is who is in apostasy, not the righteous member who seeks truth.

[@Telavian]

@@jennedge123 That is a hard lesson to learn when you grow up in an institution. However it is totally true.

[@ak9657-n2w]

@@conniewaterman1673 I’ve heard more than one account that your husband’s blog was a genesis moment for people’s awakening. My own story includes Pure Mormonism as a watershed moment! I thank God that Rock has been an engaging and well researched scholar.

[@dynamicbree]

It’s very telling that people asking questions and seeking truth - come what may - are being cut off and kicked out of Brigham’s/Russell Nelson’s church. Thank you for this video! I appreciate your love of truth and am grateful you share it! I hope you’ll make the rest of your videos viewable again and keep making MORE!👏🏼👏🏼 4 And I know that the Lord God will consecrate my prayers for the gain of my people. And the words which I have written in weakness will be made strong unto them; for it persuadeth them to do good; it maketh known unto them of their fathers; and it speaketh of Jesus, and persuadeth them to believe in him, and to endure to the end, which is life eternal. 5 🔥And it speaketh harshly against sin, according to the plainness of the truth; wherefore, no man will be angry at the words which I have written save he shall be of the spirit of the devil.🔥 6 I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath redeemed my soul from hell. 2 Nephi 33

[@rhyde0731]

His other videos are available on the Hemlock Knots channel I believe.

[@lisa143justin]

Amen. ❤️ "The guilty taketh the truth to be hard."

[@Cali-is-top10]

Brother, this is an amazing video. Thanks so much. Those were some wild and crazy days back then. Just wow.

[@americanmanstan2381]

Regarding the last few minutes, seems to me humble followers of Christ and seekers of truth who share in a public way ultimately get removed from the church. The LDS anonymous true servants who publish similar great[er] works, will go down as their names become known. Even as the simpler members learn more in this information age and follow their conscience, this is the eventual outcome. Just a matter of time it comes for me. As the vessel fills, the love of the Lord grows, and the two-edged sword of truth will find its way to set a man at variance against family members, loved ones, and even your supposed love for the church. See Matthew 10 and decide what is important to YOU!

[@houseofwool]

Thank you Rob. The immature actions of the church are unfortunate. You’re doing a great work shining the light on the truth. You’re work has been an important part of my awakening. -Jesse

[@avoiceinsupportoftruth5]

Thank you again for all that you have done to bring these important things to light.

[@DavidN831]

Rob I am proud of you for standing up for the things that you believe in. I really appreciate all your wonderful research. Your brave actions are heroic. I agree your excommunication is unjust and does not affect your standing before God. I appreciate you.

[@meridentoombs3840]

Thank you for this video. I can't help but feel for the women who were coerced into this lifestyle (I'm sure not all were coerced, but many who were). How awful to be led away from your husband to be married to another man. I can't even imagine it. I'm sure the heavens wept when this happened and when women were treated almost like slaves. I'm grateful for people who are sacrificing so much to share the truth.

[@RBD582]

And the men who had their whole family taken away from them! 😢

[@vhhughes]

Outstanding presentation. Fantastic pivot to focus on these men (HCK, BY, and others) and *their* actions, disingenuousness, and deceptions. All those who desperately need Joseph Smith to have been a polygamist (i.e., both anti-Mormons and L-dS Church apologists alike) do everything possible to keep the focus on Joseph and what others *later* said about him, while deemphasizing what Joseph & Hyrum publicly vehemently taught & said while still alive. By changing the focus to look at BY and HCK, in particular, the picture changes pretty dramatically. Means, motive, opportunity, and the documentary evidence for how the framing was done are all there. Beautifully done.

[@jacquelyn9018]

This is amazing work! Thank you for sharing what you have discovered. We are so grateful for your courage to share the truth. God bless you!

[@j.s.ramirez4670]

Thank you, Rob.

[@heatherholmen6639]

So glad to hear from you again Rob!! Thank you for your work in bringing forth the truth, God bless!

[@outlawedmedia4336]

"truth"? these are theories. He brings forth some evidence but it requires a fair bit on contextualizing and conjecture. I for one am not convinced by Rob's claims.

[@ajaxs7888]

​@@outlawedmedia4336what parts are you skeptical of?

[@mauler1]

Thank Rob for having the courage to speak and share what you have found. The Truth will prevail.

[@MrFishwalker]

Rob, thank you for striving for the truth. I never thought the largest latter-day church would be cause for defamation against the reformation prophet.

[@paulgregersen3570]

Let's look at the real reason polygamy was a mark of the restoration of true Israel that demolishes all the tabloid gossip being spread. See why the Bible itself described a complete restoration which Joseph Smith had no choice but to fulfill Bible prophecy with a polygamous bride of Christ. For even Christ the son of David was born from Israel's polygamist family. The son of David! Like it or not, the entire house of Israel came from polygamy. Watch your Bible reveals many things that you were never directed to see that will confirm these facts. Link UTube video titled (Book of Abraham part 7) You may have to access this video by writing in Paul Gregersen to get there

[@MrFishwalker]

@@paulgregersen3570 Haha, that's funny right there. If anything, the Lord called a few dispensational heads. What Brigham and his cohorts did was a pure abomination.

[@paulgregersen3570]

@@MrFishwalker Then why is Brigham in the Bible? And so is Joseph? Here is mathematical proof. Link UTube video "Book of Abraham part 10." The Bible's timeline comes straight from God and cannot be manipulated.

[@paulgregersen3570]

@@MrFishwalker Then after you watch the short version get your best mathematicians and go step by step through this video. ( BOA EP 16) by Gregersen

[@MrFishwalker]

@@paulgregersen3570 Brigham isn't in the Bible.

[@smithjones111]

Great to see you posting videos. You work is very well researched and logically presented. Thank you for what you do.

[@tls9382]

I’m so grateful for your work on shining a light on the dishonesty of the church’s history. It’s heartbreaking to hear that the church still bares fruit of Brigham’s tyranny by doing the exact same thing to members who are only seeking historical honesty as he did to husband’s of the wives he wanted in plural marriage. It’s wrong! “Do what is RIGHT let the consequence follow.” Amen!

[@benjaminchoate]

Amazing video, Rob. Thank you for all of your efforts and sacrifice.

[@iteasdal]

Rob, may God bless you! I am saddened, but not surprised, that you were excommunicated. Proclaim truth from the rooftops until the end of your days!

[@ShivaVakuro]

Was he excommunicated for the polygamy stuff only?

[@brendakoyle6914]

Thank you for your hard work and sacrifice. You are a Truth teller. Thank you for not being afraid.

[@jsmalone]

This is great work Rob... Be aware ... at the 34:25 you said Brigham and Joseph took more wives... meaning BY and HCK. It is clear you meant HCK. Just an FYI.

[@SidJane10]

Thank you Rob. You are amazing!!! The time and effort you have put into revealing the truth in your videos is astounding. Matt 10:26-28 "Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

[@ebonwraith2518]

Rob thank you for you faith and your willingness to stand for the truth, even when it costs you a membership with those who are not willing to face that truth. Those who fight against these truths will only find more sorrow. I stand ready to help them understand this deception and see that God has not forgotten them. We must have eyes to see and ears to hear! Thank you! Thank you Rob!

[@joannabriscoe7694]

Thank you Rob for bringing to light truth and for your sacrifice to do so and your testimony!

[@prezp00nage24]

Rob, May God bless you for your courage and diligence. May God bless us as we discern how to call our church unto repentance and exonerate the Lord’s prophet, Joseph Smith.

[@mattenger7064]

It’s unfortunate that the follows of the LDS faith will not and cannot open their eyes. The “follow the brethren” slogan has torn their eyes out and stopped their ears from hearing. They want to be lead by the precepts of men without any need to awake and arise. Your Stake President will follow the brethren right to the telestial kingdom……. For these are they who are of Paul, and of Apollos, and of Cephas. These are they who say they are some of one and some of another: some of Christ, and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch, and some of Brigham Young, and some of Russell Nelson…but received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenants.

[@sharonfila7293]

Amen, brother!

[@loisdanes176]

History is not exactly transparent. We all have to walk in faith.

[@herbofallon965]

You're an apostate member?

[@bmo5082]

I’m basically out of the church, but still enjoy the fellowship. The bad things that went on with early leaders makes me think they weren’t so inspired.

[@4lLaughingOut20]

Sounds just like another religious narcissist.

[@jessicalong2293]

So exciting that you are back at it - thanks for a thorough and detailed presentation!

[@brucehubbard159]

Thanks Rob for your inspired efforts and diligent research. You have been God's servant in helping to reveal truth and helping many of us find an understanding of where things went wrong. The Saviors path has never been easy and it is heart breaking to see people rejected by friends and family because of this. We have learned what the Lepers must have felt like to be shunned by those who profess to be to be God's servants. This will be a time of becoming more reacquainted with the Lord. He will not abandon us and truth will prevail.

[@lauradaybell5292]

Thank you Rob! So glad to see your other videos are available again too.

[@kimberlymaycock9706]

Have missed your videos, so grateful to see you back on!

[@KyleWKDUB]

I have truly appreciated your videos and your take on these things. I also enjoyed your interview with HemlockKnots. It is sad to hear the justification that your Stake President use was that he is supposed to help people follow the brethren. No, we are followers of Jesus Christ, not "the bretheren" or even the prophet. So sad to see The Church destroying itself. I guess all we can do is pray.

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

Are the digital images of Clayton's journals available yet?? I want to know what's been crossed out... the fact that their journals have been edited, doctored, and withheld speaks VOLUMES.

[@Telavian]

I don't think so. Even the journals of Wilford Woodruff are still redacted in some cases today.

[@lisacollier9179]

Thank you! This is an important thing you are doing. God's truth and evidences must be presented so his children have the opportunity to fully choose! So grateful you are doing this.

[@benjaminsickles9088]

Good work. God bless you. All they can do is cut you off from the judgment that will descend upon them.

[@jennedge123]

EXACTLY

[@angelahobbs7062]

Thank you for your courage to speak the truth. Everyone needs to see this.

[@lorenpedro]

Thank you Rob! The chart with the wives of BY says it all!

[@jonbystrom9410]

YES!

[@lisagrace6471]

Do you remember around which minute that is?

[@lorenpedro]

@@lisagrace6471 31:30

[@randyjordan5521]

I don't suppose you're aware that a lot of the women who were sealed to Young and Kimball shortly after Joseph's and Hyrum's murders had been plural wives of Joseph and Hyrum.

[@desreedancefitness]

thank you for your research and courage to share the truth

[@maryturton579]

Thank you, Rob, for sharing this information.

[@janetcox4873]

Absolutely --- Wikipedia's list of 'Joseph's wives' shows that they're all women (almost all?) who later married church leaders in Utah, where they could have been manipulated to sign any 'affidavit', Inquisition-style. None of them were women who stayed out in Illinois --- 'Joseph was a polygamist' is a shabby snow-job, imo.

[@MommaCrissa]

They are also listed on Family Search as JS wives.

[@janetcox4873]

@@MommaCrissa Wow. Just on the word of a few, manipulated women. That's taking the lies way too far. The women who executed affidavits swearing they were the wives of JS were all women under the influence of Utah leaders. Less than half of Mormons left Illinois for Utah, but allllll of JS wives were only women who left Illinois? No. It's only the leaders in Utah who made up lies about JS. Same with the Inquisition -- people signed affidavits to avoid punishment themselves to target specific individuals with lies --- same thing.

[@janetcox4873]

@@MommaCrissa That's an odd place to list the same lies. Just on affidavits of women who migrated to Utah and 'marrier' Utah leaders. Less than half of 'Mormons' left Illinois to live in Utah, but all women who signed affidavits that they married JS were women who left Illinois for Utah, living under Utah leadership. Looking at documents from the Inquisitions have affidavits like the ones the Utah women signed -- made up stuff to avoid punishment themselves to target lies on a specific individual. Kinna sick.

[@randallwall2745]

So powerful! I especially love the ending. Michael Quinn said the same thing. That his being "de-churched" was not of God and not sealed by the spirit.

[@jeydangosman699]

KZbin never notified me that you posted new videos. Can't wait to watch them!

[@savagenation01]

This is an INCREDIBLE presentation. Thank you so much for sharing this. I have so many questions…

[@magnificentyouvideos8090]

I love the way you share this information. Discerning people can sense your sincerity. This is the time to shine light in the darkness. You are doing it very well. I am praying to know my part in the continuing marvelous work yet to come. My good friend and mentor, Max Skousen, had experiences where he experienced the church shifting from the only true church to the only true love. We are in that process now. Thank you!😇

[@FollowChristOnRumble]

Thanks for being the OG of telling the truth about the great and abominable church! Appreciate you!

[@sisknothinbutruth2684]

The sacrifice you have made in losing your church membership (although a tremendous blessing in the grand scheme of things) is worth it. You are leading people back to God, and I very much appreciate you.❤

[@ejs7721]

Thank you Rob

[@TrailingCloudsofGlory]

So very grateful for your videos! They are scholarly, well researched, and a window into my ancestors lives and convoluted history. Thank you so much! 💝🙏💝

[@ajadamsv9208]

Extremely thought provoking and well presented! Thank you for your presentation. I’m not a believer as you are however I’ve always felt that the deaths of JS & HS followed by SS days later was suspicious at best. Willard Richards story at Carthage is also and then he’s in charge of the history of the church? I’ve always said to myself just follow the money and you’ll find the truth 99% of the time. The benefactors of their deaths received power, sex and money. That’s undisputed in my opinion.

[@3thingsfishing427]

If you follow the money, you will find that JS was worth at least $12 million dollars in today's money. See article published in Times and Seasons referencing JS's real estate portfolio. Not sure you want to go down the, "follow the money" road my friend.

[@danconcompany9285]

Great work! Thanks for your great effort to redeem Joseph's name.

[@marenmacmichael6988]

I miss your other videos. I loved the truth that you shared in them. I'm really grateful to see you back and glad you made this video. Brigham and Heber were very wicked men.

[@rhyde0731]

I believe his other videos are available on the Hemlock Knots channel, hopefully they will be added here again too.

[@cameronsmith5786]

Why did God honor Heber and Brigham Young? Why did other men and their church who rose up in opposition to Brigham Young and polygamy all fail while the Saints under the ordained leadership of Brigham Young fulfilled multiple prophecies? How come you and I have inherited a multi-generational heritage of faith and devotion? Joseph Smith prophesied that Brigham Young's name would be had for good and evil like his own. He said that the wicked would hate Brigham and the righteous would love him. I think we are starting to see the fulfillment of this prophecy. It is a great sifting tool for sure.

[@omahaarealoya6067]

@@cameronsmith5786 There is a sifting indeed.

[@Telavian]

@@cameronsmith5786 How did God honor Brigham and Heber?

[@brandiw752]

@@cameronsmith5786 why were the apostles of Christ's time all murdered while the Roman Catholic Church thrived and became huge?

[@merrellnet]

Rob, I'm so sorry these truth's have brought you so much pain. Eventually, the church (and it's entire membership) is going to have to reconcile all these inconsistencies, and I believe your countless hours of work has brought that day much closer. And when you are brought before the judgement seat, He will understand your pain. God be with you brother!

[@hans_____]

The graph at 31:25 was extremely helpful. I'd love to see more visual aids such as a timeline of events and quotes. Thank you for putting these videos together.

[@vakama76]

Rob thank you for fighting the good fight

[@jonathanfelt2529]

As a direct descendant of one of HCK's and BY's most useful servants and a timeline student initially for the glorification of my family history, I concur with you. BY and HCK were deadly liars. Note: I apologized a few years back to a gathering of RLDS saints who were still historically heartbroken by Brigham Young and those who put their trust in him. I represented many by my ancestors. Since then, I have had to reconcile why it happened the way it did and what can be done now and in the run-up to Zion. Isn't it fascinating how God can use any of us for His purpose whether we have done goodly or even when we have done evilly?

[@freethinker1026]

What a wonderful thing you did to validate those who had been injured.

[@aliceaubalmasque3645]

Most of the brothers in the church are absolutely convinced that they will have several wives in heaven! Personally I don't believe a word of it and I often think of that touching apostle who never remarried and thought only of his dear Jeanine. No doubt he had understood many things !

[@michaelgiles7844]

Rob, Thank you for your videos. More importantly, thank you for faithfulness to the truth and to our Savior Jesus Christ.

[@freethinker1026]

While I am sad that the church would excommunicate you instead of denouncing Brigham and his polygamy I am glad you are free to continue posting videos. The more people proclaiming truth about this subject the better. Joseph will be exhonerated, even if only in the hearts of the honest seekers of truth.

[@randyjordan5521]

So what you're saying is, you didn't learn a damn thing about this issue from the mountain of historical documentation which shows that Joseph Smith started and practiced polygamy that I posted on Michelle Stone's KZbin channel.

[@randyjordan5521]

And now here we are five days after I responded to your post, and you haven't acknowledged it. This tells readers here that you are in denial of historical facts, and that you are not honest enough to admit that you're hopelessly wrong.

[@caseyhstuver]

@@randyjordan5521 dude what is wrong with you? Chill out. Why is someone else’s beliefs so difficult for you? How does it affect your life? Get over yourself

[@randyjordan5521]

@@caseyhstuver Do you believe that Leah Remini and Mike Rinder shouldn't have the right to speak out about the evils of the church of Scientology? Do you agree with Joseph Smith's "plural marriage" practice?

[@edwarddiviney5226]

​@@randyjordan5521 Wow, it's amazing, in this day and age, that people can have such a limited ability to read and comprehend both Rob and Michele's presentations on this and other subjects. The only mountain of evidence is the one proving, NO documented evidence that Joseph did or said anything that supports, practicing or allowing polygamy. Rob and Michele both do their due diligence researching the available records to support their claims. They provide the info to verify their findings. The statement that there's a mountain of evidence proving Joseph was the founder and practiced polygamy isn't even close to reality. The shifting of Wheat from the Tares has begun. The number of people awakening to their awful situation, has vastly increased in the last few years. A careful slow reading of Mormon 8, started my awakening. I have since found so much obvious error, false doctrine and Priestcraft that has entered the restoration churches.

[@katherinescott1331]

Excellent, as always! Your video's opened my eyes for the first time about the LDS church and all the hidden lles that I never had supposed. The truth definitely set me free! I continue to believe in Jesus Christ, the Book of Mormon, and Joseph Smith and look forward to further light and truth!

[@fancynancy4380]

What great research, thank you! Very eye opening.

[@Vahn421]

This was mind-blowing. Please continue to do research.

[@BadA_patriot]

God bless you. I see you and the others as I see the early Christian reformers who sacrificed everything to bring the truths of God forward and made it possible for us to know the word of of God for ourselves. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@xovaqiin4844]

Thank you for sharing this important information, Rob Fotheringham. I've been inactive for a while, but I have been digging into church history pretty heavily for the past few years. There is so much out there that just doesn't make sense to me. Your videos made everything click for me. I believe the church has the authority to baptize but does not have the authority to judge your truthfulness or connection to God. I will eagerly look forward to your next video, should you choose to do more.

[@bbbarham6264]

Great to have you back Rob! Member of the church or not, you are an instrument in God’s hands that in the last days “all things which are hid must be revealed upon the house-tops” (Moroni 5:8)

[@josemonogamiaopoligamia7220]

God bless you and your family very much. The truth triumphs no matter the time. Good Job. From Peru.

[@charityendureth]

So awesome research and presentation!!

[@conniewaterman1673]

My husband Rock Waterman was excommunicated for his blog "puremormonism." Through a near death experience, the Lord literally guided me out of the church. We have never felt closer to the Lord and we have been mightily blessed. My prayer is the same for you Rob. The church promoting U.N. agenda 2030, the one world religion and more have taught me that the LDS church has lost its way. Now we have the spiritual freedom that we never had, to tell the truth! Have hope and find peace Brother!♥️🕊️

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

Thanks for the kind words Connie. Alma fled for his life when he went against the leadership of the church under King Noah. Yes they are moving all faiths to the one world religion and government before our eyes. Again thanks to you both

[@conniewaterman1673]

​@@FleeingBabylon-Now thank you so much.

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

@@conniewaterman1673 No problem at all. Least I can say. One day all will be made right though not possible yet.

[@raydeanh]

@@FleeingBabylon-Now It’s interesting to see the patterns between BY and King Noah - they are basically the same person!

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

@@raydeanh I think we do not look at the Book of Mormon enough as a guidebook of what we face. Thanks for commenting

[@sandrasmith5191]

Thank you for your courageous work in sharing the truth. 🙏🏻

[@sharlasherman4720]

Rob thank you SO MUCH! You have been so helpful in so many ways. I am on a similar journey to finding the real truth below the lies. Years ago as I was reading the Saints book, there were parts that the spirit of the Lord told me weren't true. Something was just off. I had no 'shelf' it was just a knowing. My spiritual eyes began to open and finding your videos were such a gift. Thank you for your sacrifice. I feel honored to stand with you and other in seeking TRUTH. 😌😇🎁

[@lauraparkes6591]

Love love love your work!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@UVJ_Scott]

My Great, Great Grandfather, John Scott was a personal friend and bodyguard to Joseph, John testified in a tribunal for William Law that the Prophet had personally taught him regarding the principle of polygamy. John was sealed to two additional wives while living in Nauvoo and two more after emigrating to Utah. Four of my Great Great Grandfathers lived in Nauvoo and personally knew the Prophet, each of them practiced polygamy.

[@Blisstew]

That's an interesting and divergent comment from the thread of this conversation. I had ancestors who were polygamists as well. They too lived contemporary with Joseph Smitt in Nauvoo. Yet, I don't know what they knew about whether Joseph Smith was a believer in Polygamy as a principle to be followed or not.

[@UVJ_Scott]

@@Blisstew William Law conspired to have Joseph killed because he believed Joseph was a fallen Prophet associated with polygamy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJWkl2ScpZ2qrbs

[@Hala-ataa]

The sign of hands on shoulders to grant plurality of wives, depicted on Egyptian vignettes in the Coptic era, proves how old some of these ideas are. And now all I can think of is this verse: And behold, I am Giddianhi; and I am the governor of this the secret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be good; and they are of ancient date and they have been handed down unto us.

[@lisatreelove9278]

Thank you for doing what is right. You are helping so many. That graph of Brigham’s marriages is so telling! Wow.

[@2BFree911]

Hey Rob...appreciate all your work on this. Can you provide references for the quotes i.e. the quote of BY at Mt. Pisgah IA and the other quotes so we can check your sources? Thanks...

[@StompMom5]

So heartbreaking!!! Can't believe those men could just decide to break up marriages like that😔. I get that them cowboy days was full of perversion but that takes it to a whole new level. I'm sure they had much waiting for them on the other side and not in a good way

[@littleredhen3218]

50:37 😅😅😅😅 for reference... 😅😅😅😅 I'm sorry, but that is funny!!

[@stevedavis1316]

While it’s difficult to disavow the “Traditions of your Fathers”, you do a great job of laying out the evidence of the great lie of the polygamous past. It did not originate from Joseph! The truth can come at great cost, I’m sorry you lost your membership. While the Church considers ex-communication as their way to silence you and truth, I believe you’ll find a path to greater understanding and enlightenment! May Knowledge and Wisdom be beside you as you continue your journey for truth! Well done!

[@calineilson4764]

I have a question about the Sarah Peak Noon and Heber C Kimball marriage and the child that was born "in 1842". Is it possible that this child was actually the child of Sarah's first husband? How do we know HCK and Sarah had sex to conceive the child and that it wasn't Sarah and her first husband that conceived and that the child was attributed to HCK later since they were married?

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

Thank you for the truth!!

[@patrickmo7137]

The Lord is gathering the wheat and bounding the tares I pray others will open their eyes and hearts and know that we have been led astray

[@thedailydump7407]

I feel heart ache for the millions of faithful members of the church who lived their entire lives having been denied accurate church history information. I think of my grandmother specifically and our spiritual conversations. She had such strong faith, but never knew her own religion. What a disservice to a wonderful, powerful person!

[@robinpauleota4773]

I am stunned you have been excommunicated!!! The men who took that action will eternally regret their action!

[@elizabethsadowski9423]

Thank you for your work. I am sorry to hear about your church status. That’s very upsetting but not surprising I guess.