FRANCE vs ARGENTINA | FULL TIME HOT TAKES

[@zacspearman]

This Autumn series needed a France v SA showdown rematch in Paris.

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

We don't need to play against cheaters who would probably damage some of our key players just before 6 Nations competition.

[@sityhileloguma310]

​@@JoJo-vm8vk i would call them cheaters too with freaks like Kolbe and PSDT and Eben so maybe you're not wrong 😂😂

[@fabienjean5875]

​@@JoJo-vm8vk Jealousy makes you nasty.

[@ghostcrabman]

@@JoJo-vm8vkwhat?

[@neilshrekpurves4521]

Aah shame, hurt them you say 😂😂😂​@@JoJo-vm8vk

[@bradnaude2334]

As a bok fan , France make me most nervous , I think we have NZs number in this era , and irelands best season is behind them . France vs boks last year was one of the best games ever. and both teams rotate a lot of players , so its hard to really know their full potential when it all comes together

[@thomasVA9707]

@@bradnaude2334 yeah i feel the same, they also have crazy x factor players just like us and the fan rivalry is also crazy 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ethanmakulit238]

Take into account that France have just beaten Japan, N-Z and Argentina in a row with a pretty much "B" team. France's maximum potential is not available at the moment (N'Tamack, Penaud and Jellonch are very mostly missing)

[@christh7434]

No shit. Things would have been very different if SA didn’t buy the referee. Shameful display for this beautiful sport that the most corrupt nation ends up winning because of wrong calls on the referee side

[@Stephendenham]

Sorry Boks, but France's biggest challenger will be themselves

[@thomasVA9707]

@@Stephendenham 😂🤣😂🤣That's very very true

[@polarbearfelly]

France are looking seriously good going into the six nations!

[@chrismouton1985]

France were magnificent and the Argies did show some serious fight back! Contepomi is doing good work. The 6N be quite interesting!

[@gandigooglegandigoogle7202]

Bielle-Biarey is crazy fast my god !...a weapon pointed toward you !

[@marcdaniels9079]

Must be clearly the fastest man in world rugby

[@tinythroe3840]

@@marcdaniels9079 Clocked at 35 Km/h for his try against NZ! He remind me of Dominici

[@rileyfreeman9726]

​@@marcdaniels9079Definitely not. Will Jordan and Rieko for NZ would clock him. Grant Williams for SA would clock him.

[@plutoniumnitrate1201]

@@rileyfreeman9726 definitely have no idea so rather reserve your judgement for when they face each other on a sprint

[@MrKylljoy]

@@rileyfreeman9726 found the NZ

[@olivierarnaud-freaud6369]

I agree it was not as exciting as the AB game. I’m glad you are mentioning Villiere, he is such a fighter!

[@EggchasersRugby]

Class player

[@jean-michel.a]

Thank you Tim for your enthusiasm for rugby and your patience with people who don't know the laws of the game. True that they are complex and ever changing.

[@OCD-Gamer]

France looking gooood. Despite the loss i love how arg are gaining confidence at reaaly GOING for teams that have historically been above them. Cant wait to see where arg is next world cup!!!

[@wouterroos2359]

I think Argentina can take a lit from this game. They created scoring opportunities at will. They had every opportunity to win the game (it sounds ridiculous to say after a 14 point defeat but they squandered 5 scoring opportunities). If they improve on their accuracy and discipline they will consistently beat the best teams.

[@ludovicbostral]

For France, winning with a weak scrum, a very average lineout, a just good Antoine Dupont, some missing key elements (Ntamack, Penaud, Baille) and a pair of 12-13 in construction. A lot of talents at wings and flankers though. It should be great.

[@designmanagementconsultanc4143]

Tim, I always watch your podcast even for games I've no real interest in. You make everything more interesting

[@T2Lam10]

Same feeling as Tim We did not particularly play well Scrum and line outs are an issue that needs solving before we go to Twickenham Yet almost 40 points and a comfortable win vs a team ranked 5 in the world. Potential is there, depth is there and that’s a 3/3. The coaches have everything in their hands to deliver next 6 nations. No excuses, no more WC hangover.

[@randomlyfactual1943]

@@T2Lam10 I thought the match vs England was in Paris? Or do I have that wrong?

[@styx2470]

@@randomlyfactual1943 its in twickenham

[@migyman321]

Thomas Ramos is a baller!

[@robbiejones9340]

Agree he's the real deal!

[@designmanagementconsultanc4143]

I wish SA had played France and Ireland this tour.

[@mickser101]

Of course. All 3 Unions dropped the ball this November. Boks are best in SH, Ire and Fra best in NH. It should have happened

[@Peroriperora]

I agree on the analysis, a few flashes of brilliance like you pointed out (Ollivon, BB, Barre) but overall a bit chaotic, no consistant dominance all game long by the French team. Hence the score… :) Still a great performance though

[@daggaboom]

For all the Springbok praise going around. This French team has parity I recon. That quarter final was ridiculous and they are beating the AB's only just, similar to us. I love the French tears over the world cup but they are monsters waiting for us.

[@bradnaude2334]

100% Agree , as a bok Fan france make me the most nervous

[@TheBuildKingR]

Indeed they are very good, but I see them struggling in scrums and they also struggled a little bit tonight in the mauls

[@seano4214]

Their young guns looking good. Frances under 20’s team is awesome and with players like Du Pount playing round them they are a team to watch out for!

[@randomlyfactual1943]

Eh, don't be too nervous. They beat an Argentina side that we know struggle to put big games together. They did beat the All Blacks... But this was a side that faced England and Ireland in the previous weeks. Meanwhile, we beat them in their own backyard with a makeshift hooker on the bench and with Pollard that had very little game time. You bring the strongest possible French side to Johannesburg, Pretoria, Cape Town - and yes, to the world cup in the summer of 2027 in Australia - and they won't be anywhere near as formidable. France are flat track bullies.

[@randomlyfactual1943]

​@@TheBuildKingRexactly, and that wasn't Nche and Malherbe they were scrumming against. Plus, the second half their forwards were woeful. If Argentina had a Kwagga, RG and Marx coming off the bench with Koch and Steenekamp coming off the bench, they would have been slaughtered. Colour me very unimpressed.

[@jeanmas4197]

Dupont looked tired and slow and not precise with his kicks. Still a decent game for him. Looks like France is always gonna look for LBB with a deep kick on the left for at least a couple times per game. LBB is really an unique weapon. France, Ireland, England should be favorites for the 6 nations with maybe a little extra for France due to those results. I cannot wait.

[@SteveWarlee]

Stupid statement, there's only 6 teams

[@javierdeg]

I loved how arg no.9 took the chance to steel the ball from Dupont's hands 🙌🏼

[@puccaland]

Dupont had an average game. Let's be real. Which proves that he's just human.

[@jean-christophefouquet9553]

Even below average for his standards but it's still better than most of the 9 in the world. What he said after the game was interesting, he besically stated while not firing on all cylinders, including himself, the room of maneuver was extremely important, as stated by Eggchaser they were on 3rd gear not by the lack of will but because the room for improvement is huge especially with the incorporation of young blood.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

@@puccaland Adaptation goes both ways. In the last two matches, the opposite scrum-half and back row was so focused on him that it created space in their rear for Ramos kicks and Bip-Bip chases. And the 9s were replaced at the 50 th and 59 th minute, Dupont played the full time.

[@olivierarnaud-freaud6369]

Interesting that MOTM is different in UK and France. On French Tv, the MOTM was Ollivon.

[@EggchasersRugby]

No, I think I heard it wrong. Ollivon was ace, I thought he deserved it.

[@leandronicolasmedeot3135]

Following from Cordoba Argentina. Muchas gracias .

[@lawLess-fs1qx]

Biarrey must be the fastest rugby player currently. was never a contest. France have to play England & Ireland away in the 6n. They'll certainly deserve the title if they manage that.

[@ricardofox1497]

An Argie here: terrible exit kicks, blocked how many times? The Ref was excellent, if you know the Laws of the game.... Congrats France!

[@EggchasersRugby]

Fair play to you.

[@jameswyatt4443]

Absolutely not. Neither should have been yellows.

[@Peroriperora]

@@ricardofox1497 finally a word of reason!

[@rubengayoso7420]

@@jameswyatt4443I discuss the yellow card to Montoya. It was an involuntary action

[@TheRPMD]

'if you know the laws of the game.' Then why was the penalty try a debate between the two referees? How belittling. Thought the ref was atrocious. First one isn't a yellow, phrase is 'targeting the lower limbs' - he doesn't. Penalty try for deliberate knock on when there's no knock on. The player knows the momentum on the ball and that it wont go forward. If he had given the yellow for the tip tackle I wouldn't have agreed but I would have at least understood. Switched off after the penalty try. Ruined the game.

[@tilmanvondelft]

Why didn’t ref go to TMO first time Argentina when he couldn’t see yet still said “held up”?

[@MrPiou2]

French fan here. I wonder if France would have won so comfortably if Montoya did not get a yellow card so early.

[@MisterPoppy-sc1sj]

Ca n' aurait pas changé grand chose

[@BonuxCouleur]

Ollivon is pure class and the all time highest try scorer of all French forwards, with 16 tries. This is an interesting debate for France considering Alldritt and Ollivon are two completely different profiles at 8. One is a contact player / enforcer / line breaker (not lately but when he is on form and has not played 200 games without rest...) the other is a line breaker / off-loader / jumper. I have always preferred Ollivon's profile because it is a rare profile at 8 we do not see very often in World Rugby. Kieran Read was that type of pure class number 8, excellent reader of the game, opportunistic, efficient and immensely collective so considering the shortage of French enforcers at 8, I wonder if Galthie should not keep it between these two. Not that other options do not exist, Marko Gazzotti is definitely one in the making, very interesting prospect probably at 8 even though he plays mostly at 7 for Bordeaux, he seems to be a Picamoles style of player. Jordan Joseph and Selevasio Tolofua seem to have disappeared entirely from the radar. Nouchi is definitely another great prospect only at 6, not at 8 and if Galthie watches his first 4 years in charge again, he would know by now that Jelonch is NOT to be used at 8 either, unless he has a permanent bed fixture to the nearest hospital. Cros at 8 like Jelonch is a ridiculous idea to me, you just cannot ask these players to break the defensive line from the back of the scrum, that's not what they are made for, that's not what they are good at. I hate that Galthie is not seeing it (or is he?) but Ollivon has been probably THE most consistent player in the blue jersey and he is also a natural leader and les bleus need his leadership and experience, especially when it gets harder. He is also a true utility player. It is at least a good sign that Galthie decided to rest Alldritt because it was becoming downright painful to watch. The guy cannot be everywhere non stop all the time. He will come back fresher and stronger when he is ready.

[@jeremielambin8690]

Wait until Boudehent gets nr8!

[@holowness304]

I would also consider Castro-Ferreira in the upcoming years. Maybe even this summer in NZ?

[@edouardmontfort7816]

6:29 An Englishman pronouncing an argentinian name in a french way. Lovely.

[@sakabula2357]

Top dogs at the moment..SA..NZ..France...

[@hanoitripper1809]

Wallabies

[@changrcaterham5784]

@@hanoitripper1809give the Aussies a chance to bed in a bit first, I agree they look good, but that’s good against the (sadly) worst ever Wales team 3 times, Argentina by 1 point, Georgia and a narrow win against “the worst ever England team” If they beat Scotland and Ireland then they’ll start properly looking like a top team before the lions tour.

[@hanoitripper1809]

tongue in cheek for the Wallabies but they look promising. I don’t thnk Engalnd is ‘ worst ever’ as they are in positions to win most of their tests this year ( inc in New Zealand) but seem to screw up their last 10-15 mins

[@rugbymandan]

3, 2, 1 in the order you gave them

[@antoncoetser1885]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Sello-u9z]

Bielle-Biarey is crazy, crazy good

[@hanoitripper1809]

France living Ireland’s november dream

[@johnmc3862]

Hardly, when France are playing the likes of Japan. Ireland are also playing an extra game.

[@hanoitripper1809]

France beat nz and thumped argie..

[@zeroconnection]

Fair play to France. Much respect from Ireland.

[@briansalter7310]

We do Movember in SA too, but I am more excited for Fannyuary

[@MrPiou2]

Gabin Villiere is back !

[@patrickblanchard4575]

Cette équipe de France avec tous ces jeunes talents va devenir encore plus redoutable!!

[@bigscaryman7421]

France, 6 day turnaround, missing lots of players, half the team playing were infected with a virus. 14 point win…

[@EggchasersRugby]

This 100%!

[@Peroriperora]

Ahaha spot on! 😂

[@kropotkine9640]

while also having a bunch of players with few caps: Meafou 5, Colombe 7, Guillard 5, Gailleton 6, Barré 6, Le Garrec 7, Roumat 7 and first one for Gazzoti

[@johnmc3862]

France have a huge player pool in fairness.

[@bradnaude2334]

World number 1 might be between France and Springboks , they both often field a lot of second string players and still do well

[@olivierarnaud-freaud6369]

Movember is definitely on in France. It is for all matters related to men’s health.

[@EggchasersRugby]

Thank you. We only have a week left of Galthie's tasche :(

[@shacow1284]

Ollivon won the man of the man award, not Bielle-Biarrey ? Movember is a thing in France, however the moustache is a fashion style that regularly comes back in French rugby, I guess from Galthié it's really a fashion thing to highlight the start of the next 4 years with the team. Great video anyway Tim, thanks

[@LittleBigMediaCo]

FYI, Movember is an Aussie invention. Odd obsession with hair, the Aussies. However, Rob Valetini should never see a yellow for red for head contact, because he's done everything possible to protect himself and others from injury. Now if World Rugby could get everyone to have a Valetini 'Fro, we could just get on with the game.

[@EggchasersRugby]

Haha. Safety first!

[@marcmcdonald48]

😂

[@christopheb.6121]

We're here 🇫🇷 can't wait to play against our brothers : English, Irish, Scottish, Black, SA and Australians.

[@llewellynlamb9545]

Where in France????

[@mikestoop9561]

You do not bother to send your top players on tour, so you will only compete on home soil? Slightly attogant?

[@natecoet3291]

It's fun many thought france would not win. I think they've been hot unlike Ireland during this autumn series and very entertaining to watch.

[@huntervanheerden5774]

Movember is a thing in SA as well

[@EggchasersRugby]

Thank you. Good to hear

[@BonuxCouleur]

This is why I would not waste too much time commenting about France from an NZRU viewpoint for the end of the year tour. Sure, Dupont won't be there but let's be honest that's the only French player Kiwi journos can name anyway and Fabien Galthie should still be able to assemble a reasonably competitive team to build towards 2027 like they did in Australia in 2021. Players that are almost guaranteed to be in New Zealand will be found among Gailleton, Tatafu, Tuilagi, Nouchi, Vincent, Barre, Guillard, Berdeu, Couilloud, Attissogbe, Segonds, Barlot, Montagne, Laclayat, Beria, Auradou, Gabrillagues, Macalou, Abadie, Dumortier, Joseph, Erdocio. Players that are likely to be in New Zealand are: Ollivon, Priso, Serin, Laclayat, Fickou, Le Garrec, Frisch, Villiere, Taofifenua, Woki, Kolingar, Jaminet. 1 Priso/ Kolingar / Beria 2 Barlot 3 Tatafu/Montagne 4 Taofifenua/Guillard 5 Tuilagi/Auradou/Woki 6 Nouchi/Abadie 7 Macalou/Woki 8 Ollivon (C) / Joseph 9 Le Garrec/Couilloud/Serin 10 Berdeu/Segonds 11 Villiere/Dumortier 12 Fickou (VC) /Vincent 13 Gailleton/Frisch 14 Attissogbe/Gailleton 15 Barre/Jaminet / Attissogbe These are players who will and who can make it to 2027, they are all First XV, U-20 and Top 14 tested and for some of them, well you have to start somewhere that's what TEST matches are for.

[@EggchasersRugby]

Really good post. The talent in France is crazy at the minute. They will be far more competitive than people think.

[@Essa.hejdkehhzhzjz-y1h]

Jaminet really ? Auradou ? I really don’t think they are on the list for the next summer tests... Galthié won’t risk any contreversy. Doesn’t need to !

[@QuentinLenoir]

Can't undersand why so many people are complaining about the ref today. Argentina loses by 21 pts the first half, and what a disaster to read all those comments talking about the ref. However, super video as always ! Thanks mate for your job ;)

[@EggchasersRugby]

Surprised how much the penalty try is being questioned.

[@jameswyatt4443]

Nonsense, the yellows had a major effect on the score. 17 points during that time.

[@Peroriperora]

@@QuentinLenoir they’re trolls

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

Well you would say that. There would be communes in Paris & burning barricades had those decisions gone against France. The Montoya card was farcical. The player was pushed onto him. Montoya didn't grab his leg to pull. And no replay of Meafou's head on head with Matera when Argentina were attacking.

[@yeayou1221]

@@EggchasersRugbyCrazy how different we see it. To me Luke pierce said that the palm was facing toward the French try line but my eyes were telling me that the palm was clearly facing more toward the Argentinian try line. Maybe I’m blind.

[@gerhardmeyer8891]

Just maybe SA final game should have been against France....in Paris!

[@randomlyfactual1943]

@@gerhardmeyer8891 Ons sou hulle geëet het

[@mouackitomouackito1651]

@@randomlyfactual1943 Surement pas, cet arbitre-là sanctionne les joueurs faisant un en avant pour empêcher un essai !

[@wouterroos2359]

​@@mouackitomouackito1651 Don't feel bad, you cannot beat South Africa. They are just levels ahead of the French.

[@davers1610]

I was there for the last two games. Awesome atmosphere. French defence is looking great. I thought it was Olliven that got MOM though.

[@andremaube5069]

We need a Autumn nation Series FINAL between France and the Bokks !

[@wouterroos2359]

I would have liked it to take on France at home again. Would have been a massive game. In fact it would have been great to see SA play ireland, france and england. Scotland and Wales are great teams but there was always gonna be just one winner (I say this before playing wales and might eat my words). England was the only side that gave us any problems.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

The Boks win with dominance, currently the Bleus win despite being dominated (posession and territory), this is not the way to win a RWC.

[@andremaube5069]

@ last game between SA and France was extremely close. I'm not sure that the Bokks victory is assured tbh

[@javierdeg]

I think we all miss a massive head contact for Petti while he was attacking. Julián Montoya claimed that but wasn't addressed by the ref nor the TMO. I would also like to understand if French no.8 was onside when stopped the kick that few phases after ended up with the French last try. TIA

[@EggchasersRugby]

Pretty certain is was checked behind the scenes. Didn't think there was head contact - if we are talking about the same incident

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

For your 2nd question, Olivon was in contact with the ruck for the two successive counters, so off line, but the ref was focused on the Pumas scrum half time limit for the kick.

[@fretillou]

Yes, Movember has been imported in France too !

[@niconamibia2456]

With the ave young age of this group theyre going to be huge at next wcup. Bog forwards fast backs excellent decission making by Ramos at flyhalf. Ntamack will also be good when he returns at 10.

[@robertwood6297]

congrats France

[@lonwabiso1]

French were fair winners. Officiating was interesting. Pumas have beaten France this year though.

[@kurtz7221]

They beat a France C team though

[@EggchasersRugby]

Yep. The France development team drew the series 1-1.

[@MurrayLeckie]

Cant wait for that French team to play here next(NZ) season . They will go home with some fearful hidings!!!!

[@polarbearfelly]

​@@MurrayLeckieevidence??

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

@@kurtz7221 Hardly. It was a France B with several full internationals & Argentina had just gathered their players together with barely any time together.

[@AxelDejean1]

Seemed like Pearce was giving the 3 second timer (to speed the game up) a bit faster when Dupont was going to exit than for other players 🤔

[@marcdaniels9079]

Come on !

[@lolepandolfi]

France was the better team … still I thought the ref was tougher on Argentina … France doesn’t need that

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

Yes, the Pumas discipline record may have influenced the officials.

[@lolepandolfi]

@ you are probably right, but Ref should rule just what happens in that game not in the last 5 years … I believe there’s an effort by the entire team to improve discipline, I hope we see it

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

@@lolepandolfi I was meaning only Rugby Championship and previous matches in this Autumn Series. In fairness, it is difficult for the Pumas as almost all are playing in different countries, so 10 of them are used to the Top 14 interpretation of rules, others to the Premiership one, and others to the URC one, even one is playing in Super Rugby Pacific competition. So difficult to put everyone on the same page.

[@dixvorster-vg4kv]

France was good enough to win, they did not need Luke Pearce's 80 minutes attempt to earn French citizenship. He is coupled on the tote with Nick Berry.

[@enriquenelson4516]

@@dixvorster-vg4kv Great way to put it. Haha. Pearce was terrible

[@monsieurlapinot2549]

pearce is very good but he made mistakes like everyone else : barnes, reynal, pepper etc none of the referees are perfect. they are human. yet world rugby asks referees to see more and more things o'keaffe made mistakes during world cup too. french team suffered it 🥲

[@jaygeeist]

Definitely would have been a great finale to end with a match between the world's best team and the team who seem to think they're the best - yet seem afraid to take their top players to play outside of France.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

Yeah they are affraid of flying. Will go to London by train, to Dublin by bus.

[@ralphsearing7892]

Movember has been mentioned on french tv.

[@glentweedie602]

Tim, it seems like only NZ, SA & France have serious depth to select from. Do they just have a better grassroots program than the rest? Or is it that they are managing to keep the players in the system between finishing school & getting a club contract?

[@vonkicks5190]

About France players depth, it's more about the very high level of the domestic championship combined with a strong rugby school culture, from villages to towns.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

France has some similarities with both NZ and SA: -second generation players (even with foreign fathers); - Pacific isladers, both French and foreign born; good grassroot program, but concentrated in the South-West, 2 very competitive nationanal leagues to give experience to U20 players. The main difference is player's salaries, higher in France, so players compete against current and former ABs and Springboks.

[@davidadshade2927]

France should win 6N next year.

[@johnmc3862]

It’s early yet. France are playing England and Ireland away.

[@davidadshade2927]

@@johnmc3862 Much like the two recent AB away games.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

Depends who the players are, lots of wounded in the Top 14. Even with full complement, playing Ireland in Dublin is going to be a huge struggle, like Leinster vs Toulouse this year.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

@@Opitoukisskiss Oui, c'est sur le côté hyper serré du match que je faisais la comparaison.

[@wouterroos2359]

Personally I rate France as the best NH team. France perhaps has some problems with their pack. They are clinical and do not waste a single opportunity. But their pack does not look like one who will win a massive 80 minute grind. Nothing that cannot be fixed before 2027 though.

[@owielentz]

Arg first yellow was harsh, how did the ref not look at the French 5 on arg 4 tackle that looked like head on head in real time. Not sure about that penalty try either, what was it for ? Hitting forward ? That’s a deliberate action during a pass, this was a kick? I understand you can’t intentionally hit a ball directly out in to touch from a kick, but I just don’t understand this ruling .

[@Emjaygee1950]

'Movember' started in Australia, never was a British initiative .

[@monsieurlapinot2549]

when you see "little" men with red helmet and blue shirt in rugby ground you must have good legs and heart

[@thomasVA9707]

france need to come play in SA, we've done the brutal booing crowd, now its their turn here

[@robinlambert3917]

All teams are rebuilding England it's half hearted and only injury based 😊changed

[@cedricpicard9016]

The ref was a bit annoying trying to get the game sped up in the 2nd half, but i get it, it was mighty cold... Both teams were shattered and needed a breather. The cards skewed the game, but were the right calls. Wardi also managed to beat Colombe's record for time on the pitch as a prop.

[@metchoumetch3176]

On the penalty try, also you are not allowed to take the ball out of the field by hand.

[@olivierarnaud-freaud6369]

Is Bielle Biarrey close the the speed and level of S.A. wingers ?

[@EggchasersRugby]

I think he's faster

[@hanoitripper1809]

Biele Barry is almost as fast as Kellaway

[@jameswyatt4443]

He’s not on their level yet.

[@Peroriperora]

Faster runner, not yet at the level of SA wingers though… but he’ll get there eventually. Only 21 years old… A star in the making no doubt

[@kropotkine9640]

Last RWC while facing Namibia Bielle Biarey has been recorded at 37 km/h

[@mikestoop9561]

Wrong. For a ball to be called forward it actually has to travel forward. Your English ref got it wrong. However, you cannot deliberately slap a ball into touch. He accidentally made the right call.

[@ThomasBarthoulot]

Ollivon or Ramos should have won Player of the match imo

[@chocurly]

No. No particular french moustach in November :)

[@christianrossard4523]

I don t understand why Galthie changed 6 players pratically at the same time the french team was disorganised

[@wouterroos2359]

This is one of those games where the better team lost but the more accurate team won!

[@Oxirius_]

Argentina is not better

[@jlsimonable]

once we solve the scrum deficiency ( hope Baille comes back fast) France should be a pretty awesome team. Ramos was so good in the series that the coming back of Ntmak will create some debates

[@wouterroos2359]

Ramos is pure class. I really really dislike the french. But Ramos is the one guy in that team I like. Man is pure class!

[@CamusAl]

About knock on, I am still confused (maybe as many) : do we need to consider the ball travelling relative to the ground, or relative to the player who passes/pushes the ball and who moves/runs towards a certain direction?

[@wouterroos2359]

If you apply law 11.3 directly it is relative to the ground. Tim gave an interesting interpretation that I can live with. He said the ball travels forward relative to the orginal trajectory. While I disagree with that interpretation it is certainly clear, logical and easy to apply.

[@Zaxxman224]

Movember is a thing in France, but not quite as big of a thing as it is in the UK

[@Ar5404]

MOTM award went to Ollivon, not Louis Bielle-Biarrey.

[@ala-hc4rx]

As a kiwi,bloody game was ruined by ref and damn tmo.the neck roll was crap.too many decisions went frances way,didnt flow ,understatement.

[@wouterroos2359]

I agree with you. The TMO should stay the hell out of the referee's ear. They should only intervene if explicitly asked by the on field referee.

[@quentinadkins432]

The French 🇿🇦

[@jamesfleming-bg9oe]

I just hope they send the top team to austrailia in 1997 that would be nice

[@randomlyfactual1943]

1997 🤣 PLEASE don't correct the error!

[@superdetartrant]

We all know what movember is, even in France. 😊

[@fernandodimenna483]

Argentina jugó contra 16!!, la primera amarilla solo se la ponen a Los Pumas y el ultimo try de Francia, es penal para Argentina, se desprende de moll en fuera de juego....una vergüenza!! Contra Irlanda el arbitro se invento una falta que no la vio ni Dios.....por favor que nos ganes jugando!!

[@Brucemcleod2345]

France must be favourites for 6nations this year. Argentina is not far off the pace of beating any team.

[@jean-michel.a]

Argentina has beaten South Africa, NZ, and France this very year 2024.

[@RossoVerdeNero]

If France win the 6N in '25 they'll have done it the hard way, with away matches in Dublin and London.

[@Brucemcleod2345]

@ Good point. Who’s got the easy draw

[@paulcavanagh9370]

You simply cannot beat raw pace. I must admit after 3 minutes I almost turned it off due to the TMO interference. What is foul play and what is an accident during the rough and tumble of a hard sport? This is a hard sport for hard men yet the governing body appears to have forgotten this!

[@nickysebastianmiller]

Movember is still a thing.

[@RondeeScherman]

Helped by useless officiating. Very easy if you have officials against you. Luke Pearce pulling another Rassie last night. Interesting France never play anything outside of Europe.

[@Alornell]

Yeah ofc Uruguay, Argentina and Australia are known to be part of Europe. Speaking about the ref, maybe you can understand his calls by learning the rules. Unsafe tackle leading to injury = yellow card Deliberate knock on on try line to avoid a try being the last defender = yellow + penalty try Nothing outrageous here.

[@richardfincham7744]

France look good in France, outside of France I'm not so sure. What is Frances win record away from home?

[@enriquenelson4516]

@@richardfincham7744 They don't want to send top players down south anymore can't be the best if you only play in your comfort zone. I mean the are sending a second string to NZ. I don't care about the schedule that is a disservice to rugby

[@Alornell]

@@enriquenelson4516 Please stop talking without knowing.... During summer tours, France cannot send its top players because they are still in competition for the Top14 national championship title. This is a calendar problem. Top 14 being the most long tournament + the Championscup + 6 nations + Autumn series, French international players are already playing around 30/35 matchs per year. They need to rest, that's also a matter of health. Taking all of that into account. The French send their best players available during the summer tours (not competing in top 14 playoffs) and also use this tour to bring new talents into the national team. They come to sharpen themself and to win. As they did in Australia in 2021 As they did in Argentina this year Ad they will in NZ in 2025

[@enriquenelson4516]

@@Alornell then fix the schedule

[@Alornell]

​@@enriquenelson4516 It's not a unilateral decision regarding the summer tour. No hard to guess. If you talk about the top 14 schedule : it's a 10 months championship. The longest and most demanding rugby championships at this level, both in terms of the number of matches and the total duration as mentioned. Clubs are already having quite a challenge in management for their players' schedules. If a schedule has to change, it'll be the summer tour one.

[@chrisallen2773]

Pity the ref had such an impact on the game but France probably just shaded it.

[@btcdunks8476]

Good win for France, Luke Pearce is not a top referee, a lot of dodgy calls and arbitrary decisions. Sometimes he chooses to review the play, other times he chooses to ignore it. Just inconsistent.

[@pimgrim1]

essai de pénalité : je pense qu'une interception avec une seule main devrait être sanctionnée, car le joueur a la volonté de tuer l'attaque adverse sans pouvoir se saisr de la balle, même si la balle va à l'arrière : il faudrait faire évoluer la règle car c'est contre l'esprit du jeu.

[@ainohaste]

For the ball tap into touch, the ball is going backward, but sadly bounce forward

[@EggchasersRugby]

He knocks it forward deliberately - forward *relative to where the ball was travelling. 100% correct call in my opinion.

[@wouterroos2359]

​@@EggchasersRugby This is an interesting interpretation and the most logical one I have heard yet. I fundamentally disagree with Luke's on field explanation. But this one makes sense. To the letter of the law I believe there is no infringement. However, if the referee also interprets it this way I absolutely agree.

[@arkaghosh-l6m]

Argentina did not turn up well today

[@henk_iii]

The double standards of Luke Pierce in the first half was ridiculous, Argentina got screwed over and over...

[@nesquik8214]

The people not understanding the delibarate knock on are the same people being obsessed over every single referee decision instead of watching the game

[@EggchasersRugby]

I'm surprised how many are questioning that call.

[@polarbearfelly]

Precisely! Well said!!

[@peasant5612]

I'm in a FB rugby group and there's an Argentinian there who's pretty upset about the ref. Wasn't sure what exactly but I'm guessing the deliberate knock on among other things 😂

[@rubengayoso7420]

I don´t discuss that. I discuss why the referee adviced 6(six) times to a french player, instead of whistle the penalty when he adviced 3 times at least. And this action finally had no consequences to France.

[@Thudsrayz]

I'm not questioning the ref. I'm questioning the law. If the ball goes backwards, it shouldn't be a knock on, regardless of the direction his hand is facing or what the ref believes his intentions were

[@hugomarx1324]

Terrible tmo kept on interrupting the game. Pumas had no chance to get any momentum. Atrocious decision to give Montoya a yellow.

[@Alornell]

Sure, maybe too much engagement from the Pumas from the beginning don't you think? Getting a yellow for an unsafe tackle is not what I call "an atrocious decision".

[@ColmOCallaghan-i6b]

Ref was shocking I'm first half.

[@michaelcollier6250]

Remember law 7.7.b - a player must not intentionally knock the ball from the playing area. This is foul play which has prevented a probable try. I also tend to agree with the referee that the Argentinian player seemed to have knocked the ball forward, but regardless it is still illegal as he has knocked it from the playing area and prevented a probable try.

[@wouterroos2359]

Yes, except there is no law 7.7 -b. Law 7 deals with advantage. The applicable law is 11.3. Which to me implies that there is no infringement. " A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with band or arm. " It was intentional now we have to decide whether or not it was forward. Luke's palm explanation is atrocious for an international referee and completely misses the point. The ball clearlt travelled backwards so to the letter of the law it was legal. In saying that Tim gave an interesting perspective on another comment. He said that the ball travels forward relative to its original trajectory. Wile I disagree with that interpretation of the law it is both logical and fits the law. I will have no problem if referees consistently interprets it this way. But again, if you apply the law directly no infringement has been committed.

[@petergreen8101]

That was NOT why the ref awarded a penalty try,

[@michaelcollier6250]

@@wouterroos2359 apologies for the typo, it's law 9.7.b - under Foul Play. I agree that the reasoning given by the referee wasn't good, and the first law I thought of when watching was 9.7.b - a player must not intentionally knock the ball from the playing area. In my humble opinion, that was the action of the player and warranted a penalty try, as it prevented a probable try. I agree with your thoughts on Tim's comment about the ball travelling forward relative to its original trajectory. That is consistent with the way forward passes are ruled - backward or forward out the hand, rather than where the ball lands up.

[@michaelcollier6250]

@@petergreen8101 Indeed it was not, but was what came to mind when I first watched the incident, and so although I think the referees reasoning was incorrect, I think the correct decision was ultimately made.

[@markcrossman3356]

Real question. Does France ever play outside of France? Feels like they have played the last 50 games in Paris

[@migyman321]

Played a series in Argentina last year if I’m not mistaken

[@kropotkine9640]

You perhaps don't know it but 6 nations fixtures aren't all played in Paris France humiliated England in 2023 at Twickenham (53 -10) It was French biggest victory over England and England's biggest lost on home soil Game available on YT you should watch it

[@kropotkine9640]

@@migyman321 and with a b or c team they managed to beat Argentina 28 -13 and lost the 2nd game 25-33

[@kenrehill8775]

They’re away 3 times in the 6N next year and have a tour in NZ in July next year.

[@nathannweyer4741]

we do mo-vember in NZ but its for mens metal health awareness like suicides and what not

[@hanoitripper1809]

Does it help at all?

[@nathannweyer4741]

@hanoitripper1809 any money raised is good money raised so sure it does.

[@Thudsrayz]

France in second gear can chuck it into fifth in an instant. They're an incredibly dangerous side. Thought Ramos was showing a lot at 10 even tho the game wasn't that spectacular. Completely disagree with you on the penalty try yellow card. I started playing rugby in 1985, reffed (amateur) for couple of seasons. I have always hated the backward out of the hand law, and todays knock on even tho the ball traveled backwards is just ridiculous. Consider it this way: instead of judging whether a ball went fwds or backwards by the markings on the field etc, we have to watch the hands of the players. There's 31 ppl on the field and it's very difficult to see every pass out of the hand. Impossible unless you've got a tmo

[@EggchasersRugby]

I have to say I'm a bit baffled by the confusion over the clear yellow card and penalty try. I can imagine the outcry if your interpretation were taken on and in a world cup final a player prevented someone scoring a try by hitting the ball with a forwards motion and it not being given a deliberate knock on. There are some deliberate knock ons I don't like - like when a player tries to catch it but fails to. I'd use THIS incident as a textbook example of why the deliberate knock on rule was introduced. But hey, if we all agreed we'd have nothing to talk about :)

[@Thudsrayz]

@EggchasersRugby thanks for the response (love your work). Yes, I'd like to think I politely disagree so as to discuss with yourself and others. Fwiw, I don't disagree with the ref. I disagree with the law. My pov is based on my own experience. For fwd passes, if i couldn't see what players hands were doing for a pass, i had to rule on point of release to point of receiver. Backwards out of the hand is redundant if the ref cannot see the hands. Personally, I think the game is too difficult to referee now and we should be simplifying it for refs, players and fans. In that respect, refs shouldn't need to worry about what the intentions of players are, nor the positioning of their hands. Did the ball go forward? No. Cannot be a knock on. Of course, it might open another can of worms, but it's only my opinion, and I don't expect others to agree

[@enriquenelson4516]

Luke Pearce was terrible couldnt spot a knock on if he tried. Well done to France. You guys have too much class. (Fyi not talking about the pen try here)

[@ritchiebirnie6124]

I thought France were scary

[@erhardtjoubert3455]

It just really irritates me that they talk about a mini grand slam... beating 3 teams at home... only 1 ranked above you... really. Do you know what a grand slam is???

[@EggchasersRugby]

I've never heard anyone call a joke November series a Grand Slam. Australia are using that phrase it because they play.Eng, Ire, Sco, Wal

[@erhardtjoubert3455]

@EggchasersRugby Tim, Im not calling you out, the commentators were refering to this November series as a "mini grand slam" and it irritated me. To win a grand slam (i.e. beating the nations that compose the Lions in a November tour or during the six nations) is neigh on impossible. Using the phrase "grand slam" (all be it in minature form) when winning 3 home games in a row against Japan, the ABs and Argentina, just seems rediculous. Hence my comment.

[@erhardtjoubert3455]

@@EggchasersRugby You never refered to it as a mini grand slam (i.e. the French November Series outcomes), the commentators and French media kept saying that. The French were brilliant in the last 3, they crushed Japan, played exciting and tempo driven rugby against the ABs and choked the life out of Argentina last night. I dont have anything but praise for an adaptable, exciting and wonderfully variable brand of rugby. The men in blue were brilliant. I think that the French media and commentators are doing the other NH rugby nations a disservice. I dont know why I chose your video to rant about this. But I would never refer to a grand slam as a joke... it is a properly brilliant achievement should Australia manage it.

[@vincentl8057]

joubert having a go at the french.... a bit "déjà vu"... 😂

[@jamesfleming-bg9oe]

mayve they get air sick lol

[@axxey]

TMO just gets worse and worse. 2 absolute rubbish cards against Argentina and multiple completely utterly intentional professional fouls in points scoring opportunities by France they get nothing. Calling the ball held up when it hasn't even crossed the french line with french tacklers completely killing it. Dupont pulling power, he gets taken out in the offload, stands up, appeals to the ref and "yes sir, yes sir!" the ref instantly blows it up for a late hit.

[@MrGil212]

movember is not a thing in France!! which is sad but it's not in the use here there's nothing trully dedicated to it, I experienced this as a french guy in England London fot 8 years but there's nothing right here and I think it's for prostate cancer but i may be wrong, anyhow grear commentaries from you as usual ❤❤😘😘