Israel: What’s left of the utopian ideal of the kibbutz?

In 1909, Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe, fueled by Zionist and socialist ideas, founded the first kibbutz on the shores of Lake Tiberias in Palestine. Few would have imagined that 40 years later more than 70,000 people would have joined their community-based movement of mutual aid and unity. Today, the kibbutz forms a central part of the Jewish settlements and the State of Israel but its nature has changed over the years. With some kibbutzes privatised, converted into holiday centres or start-up incubators, FRANCE 24 looks at what remains of the original ideal.
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[@godandsarah1306]

"Being a socialist is great when you have money" - - a kibbutz member

[@dfdg1859]

the same applies to a capitalist in capitalism

[@et734]

In their case, it's more like grassroots socialism made them wealthy and successful

[@Commander034]

The overwhelming majority of them gave up socialism because it caused massive economic issues. The wealth and success came with giving up the socialism.

[@yunusemresahin6430]

@@Commander034 That wealth and success grew from the socialism they practiced, then they sold it.

[@extropiantranshuman]

the socialism took away their wealth.

[@yankee2666]

...Wealthy? ...Successful?

[@memenadekhanh3992]

@@Commander034 So far, it's only applicable to homogenous (ethnically and culturally) society which require some particular "right-wing" policies to maintain.

[@user-vh3fr3lb8w]

This is what makes arabs so jelousy of jews

[@vidananovazelandia]

The only things some Islamic societies can create are misery and suffering.

[@460mas]

“House near the beach” points to the wife

[@theimproooooooover]

Oy vey

[@memenadekhanh3992]

based sigma male.

[@richardpalmer8478]

Wow, Oded Ganani was born in 1940. Looks way young and still fit and healthy.

[@Eden1907]

It was not originally associated with communism. The principles were anarchist.

[@marvinbrando722]

Pure comunism

[@marclangsam191]

Human nature thrives on adversity. Without it, technology would stagnate. Necessity is the mother of invention. To have all things given means no one has skin in the game. Human nature is such that there will always be people who think community leaders are wrong and they think they have been disrespected. I volunteered to work on a kibbutz after the Yom Kippur War in 1973. Farmers were needed to fight on the front lines and workers were needed to maintain the kibbutz...from the metal factory to the fields to the packing factory to the milking cow stalls. I saw it first hand. I was never involved in the legislative part of the kibbutz but I loved it.

[@user-ci7xz5vt1d]

Human nature does not, but it does give rise to it. Adversity is in our external environments, but we try to not be.

[@TheFalser]

What a national homeland

[@_robustus_]

With as expensive as it is to live in Israel, I would think collectives would be quite appealing still.

[@extropiantranshuman]

israel's likely expensive to pay for what the collectives have taken.

[@yankee2666]

Appealing, as long as they have the might of the Israeli military to protect them.

[@_robustus_]

I wasn’t gonna go there but yeah. Zionists are cvnts.

[@nonyafkinbznes1420]

@@yankee2666 And the wealth of the American taxpayer to fund that military.

[@CroElectroStile]

6200 Euros a month is a lot of money, even in Switzerland where you need to pay for high rents paychecks are not that high.

[@extropiantranshuman]

it's like these people did anything to have a better life and so created something - but that something isn't perfect - just better than before - so they leave the idea for bette.r

[@nicholaslandolina]

So its a communitt

[@kristine6996]

❤️

[@muklisardiansyah5146]

is it base of Israel illegal settlement project?

[@verryarvianalghiffary597]

Typical

[@babatundipunjabi4499]

No

[@babatundipunjabi4499]

Also, not illegal. Stop echoing Bias UN resolutions lmao.

[@louisdewit4429]

@@babatundipunjabi4499 - Bias ? UN = total Corruption.

[@louisdewit4429]

Illegal ? Where ? Arabs are there illegal. Since 637AD.

[@safayassin2189]

yeah sure, while native people, Palestinians inside Israel, also have been living with a similar (less organized) socialist system, called rural independent villages since ever.... then Europeans come, utilize power and with the support of capitalism and imperialism impone this system of socialist villages (which most of them are built on displaced Palestinian villages/lands taken by power), seems fair to you? What is more Ironic is that the Palestinian people left inside Israel still live in the same exact restricted villages with constant restriction of building, house demolitions and lack of development. *and please don't say, this is our historical land, saved for us since ancient times and given to us by God, just give me some historic/scientific/plausible argument where this seems fair/heroic?

[@extropiantranshuman]

well when you feel the europeans aren't native to the land - you're creating confusion - so I'm not sure what you're asking. Was it fair that Romans, crusaders, and muslims took over these lands with their imperialism? Is it fair to go from capitalism to socialism? Was it fair of palestinians to claim land? What're you asking and what facts do you have and what're you trying to get at and want an answer to?

[@hoffmankipkurgat5949]

Some Kibbutz were established before independence on land bought from the Palestinians.

[@HolahkuTaigiTWFormosanDiplomat]

HI

[@thechubbypuertorican917]

They simply did what civilizations have been doing since the beginning of time: fighting for their own piece of earth to call their own. What you dislike is that they not only conquered, but that they thrived.

[@blaizesibande6634]

There were Jews in Israel as far as King David chap 🙄…. The caucasions didn’t steal the land. Relax Also, when antisemitism was raging in Europe before hitler what where the caucasions saying to the Jews? They said go back to Palestine. So yes…. There absolutely were Jews living in Palestine when King David was Alive, when Jesus Ascended and most definitely before Israel became a state.