Franchises - The Pro Crastinators Podcast, Episode 108

[@tomasroque3338]

I can finally listen to the PCP in 60fps

[@dojee8993]

Tomas Roque the amount of pixels has nothing to do with the volume

[@tomasroque3338]

Dojee fps means frames per second, it also has nothing to do with pixels

[@dojee8993]

Tomas Roque I think you got your terms mixed up here a little bit. The quality of the sound stands in no correlation to the size of the screen

[@braveheart6816]

Dojee Pixels is a movie, it has nothing to do with the pcp

[@tomasroque3338]

Dojee That was the joke. The thumbnail says the "new" PCP sequel is in 60fps. I thought the joke was obvious since the entire video is literally just a still image.

[@PowerfulSkeleton]

I bet Nate was that kid who wave-dashed to school.

[@biggerman4720]

This episode only exists to justify the existence of that kratos drawing that hippo made for Jesse's video

[@nicholisesmithbobjunior1889]

Hippocrit is based. I started ignoring "graphics dont matter" comments cuz its kind of a stale point, but the fact that anyone would think such things shows how people dont understand art. The exact same as saying an old painting's canvas looks too old to appreciate the painting.

[@cris931609]

Bleeps are funnier THANK YOU!

[@eskimobob117]

Nate describing his weird counting to 8 thing and then being SUPER CONFUSED by Mage's counting down from 6 thing is one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've heard on the PCP.

[@omnitaneous128]

He referenced being super strong in dark souls 3 as I was slowrolling through the swamp in the cathedral and being slaughtered by two little thrall guys with no clothes

[@Slimcognito2012]

A brief reminder that the problem of franchising is nothing new. The oldest cinematic universe had jumped the shark over 60 years ago. There were a trio of universal monster movie/abbott and costello crossovers. I'd like to submit "Abbott and Costello meet the Mummy", "...meet the Invisible Man", and "... meet Frankenstein" as evidence before this court of public opinion.

[@ernestotorelli1209]

Hyppo, I feel you so much. Slick movements and little optimizations are the way to live.

[@zainou6689]

Teen Titans Go didn't ruin the franchise because: 1.) It's good. 2.) The comics are still being made and are (currently) pretty great.

[@Pontif11]

Last of us style PCP remake when?

[@McDudes]

Watching all the 1st episodes of all new anime is the best thing each anime season

[@ShiniSaba]

I do the same fluid movement thing Gib does and everytime I just do it in around friends they call me retarded, its nice to know that Im not the only one.

[@yeahahaha8102]

Regarding Devil May Cry 2, Hideaki Itsuno was brought on to the project with 5 months of development time remaining replacing an unidentified director. Obviously the end product is what we have but without Itsuno it could have been much worse.

[@hdkd5135]

Kamiya for some reason wasn't even informed of the sequel until DMC 1 was localized in english.

[@mysticmarbles]

"Not everyone has the capacity to build a castle some people will just have to be the vassal." Thought Tom was going to bust into a Linkin Park style rap.

[@SaberStash]

this is the best combination

[@g021900]

There is an uncomfortable tension between Nate and Mage in this episode

[@MugenHeadNinja]

Glad I wasn't the only one, it was frankly off-putting.

[@Dunekun]

It's because Nate hates women

[@leogir1518]

What, she broke the flow of the conversation multiple times. He was proabbly frustrated

[@thehero998savior3]

Leo gir mage is a pure angel, Nate is a narcissistic egomaniac

[@judeffr]

Thehero998 Savior massage hates being put on a pedestal and being called an angle see likes ty be edgy

[@ninto55ssequesterrecording8]

So just to expand a bit on the Shin Megami Tensei talk from Mage, there are definitely a lot of fans that think the series has been "ruined" by recent games. It mainly has to do with story and characters from SMT4A. SMT4A has a much larger focus on the side characters (who have much more dialogue now, but the writing isn't great) and it kind of messes with the classic alignment ending system by focusing on two different neutral endings and the law and chaos endings being treated as early bad endings. I won't go into it because of spoilers, but there is a plot point that basically says the series long law and chaos wars were completely manufactured, which changes the earlier games in the series going back to Megami Tensei 2 from 1990. The upside is that most of the games in the megaten series are standalone. So you can just ignore SMT4A when you play earlier games since it goes against the original developer's intentions. Anyway, I know the "Mage making a gaming channel" thing was a joke, but I would really enjoy hearing her passionately talk about whatever games she's getting into, like she did here with megaten, or ranting about ones she doesn't like, like again in this video with Harvest Moon. I know it won't happen, but it'd be fun to have occasional vlogs like that whenever she feels like talking about a game.

[@Grunkaa1]

This is actually one of the best episodes in awhile. Four people should be the limit and munchy needs to stay off the main podcast leave the DUDE YELLING ALL MY WORDS LMAO for the smaller podcasts

[@chrisopheradler3412]

i miss jesse

[@ShiniSaba]

feels like someome comments this every episode, and everytime I miss him a little more

[@legendaryvvizard4388]

He’s busy writing sad god of war “raps”

[@AsterElysia]

Someone PLEASE find the picture of Best Guy's Vincent cosplay

[@keii0n]

Yung Tetsuo I’m gonna drop a comment here just Incase a link is put up and I get notified. Thanks

[@MrCactuar13]

First off: Nate wtf Second off: Related to Nate's obsession with 8 I've been obsessed with multiples of 3 ever since 4th grade. I've learned that the sum of all digits of any given number that add up to 3 is a multiple of 3 and I obsessively look for multiples of 3s in any number: telephone numbers, addresses, IDs, etc. Literally everything.

[@felixvids7238]

To Mage: I don't know where you got the notion that SMT is still the way it was back then, but apocalypse, with its strong focus on character interaction and colorful cast has much more in common with Persona than with old SMT. Your choices have no consequences (bar one heavily telegraphed one at the end of the game) and everybody loves you, no matter how you treat them. When I play SMT, I want my bleak worldview confirmed by watching all my friends die and getting raped by a giant penis-demon. Sorry to be a grumpy old man, but Apocalypse made me legitimately throw up.

[@felixvids7238]

Btw, I do like Persona, but that's because all it's elements feed into each other to create something that is just good fun. If you infuse some of its elements into SMT, to make it more appealing to a larger audience, it muddies the water and creates a weird hybrid that is neither one nor the other.

[@risingbob5230]

I do a thing similar to what Nate describes at 1:22:40 Always thought I was crazy, glad to hear I'm not the only one.

[@twilftw]

i dunno franchising a restraunt can be alot bettter for you than making your own. after all it gives you reconisability but it comes at the disadvantage of needing to keep with in the guidlines sey up or you will leave the franchise. but you wont need to have any creativity for your restraunt in things like coming up with new ideas for the menu and you wont need to hier a graphich desinger to desing stuff for your restraunt.

[@kirikei]

I guess I missed the part about the star wars franchise... or is it that you are not interested in this one maybe? (genuine question)

[@Spyderist]

I feel like this, the ending for last of us was great--one of the best endings to a game ever, and now that there's a sequel, that ending will mean shit now.

[@zander8347]

I am very worried about the 2 new flcl seasons....

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Plenty of Franchises I'm into are better now then they ever were.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

The only thing that can kill a franchise is no new installments to bring in new fans. It can be easy to say it's impossible for something like Star Wars to just die. But I know of the things that were in the 1900s as big as Star Wars is that eventually died from no new stuff being made.

[@iamalittleboat]

Pretty sure J.R.R. Tolkien made it explicitly clear as well, that no one should ever adapt his books into movies. That's what I've been told anyway, who knows if it's true!(?)

[@iamalittleboat]

Yes, every quote ever is misrepresented and taken out of context, just like I suspected all along. Which means it's probably not true that the Tolkien estate vehemently despises...and so on, but I agree with the sentiment. Bombadil was ROBBED.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

You guys do realize that Friendship is Magic was not the original iteration of My Little Pony right? I'll bet there is a community of retro MLP fans who feel the same way about FIM that you feel about Advent Children.

[@ElFritatta]

the powerpuff girl self-insert is voiced by the guy though, so at least that part checks out.

[@cdshop1301]

I want to see a Hippo video on Bionicles. I feel like it went downhill, but I don't really remember the how and when, and I think people who are still fond of Bionicles to this day don't know either. I think there's click potential in having a video about "Bionicle got way worse, and here's why"

[@Jmannorway]

Honestly, I just want to wait for death right now

[@ace2203]

Craig Furgeson's late show did that swearing censorship thing and it was great

[@ianbowden2524]

Franchises are a necessary evil. Everyone says they shouldn't exist, but without them we wouldn't have silent hill 2, Nate's favorite game kingdom hearts 2, and my favorite game devil may cry 3.

[@ianbowden2524]

Not to mention any zelda or Mario sequels.

[@knightofapple3350]

Hey Mage if you're interested in SMT I would suggest a KZbin channel called Fither, if you haven't already heard of him

[@TheKnownPersona]

Not actually 8k, disappointed!

[@LordToast]

God of War does everything that Devil May Cry does, but better and for free.

[@dalhar20]

What?

[@Greenmachine117]

The bionicle section hit too close to home. later bionicles were shit. I still have some bionicles in my attic I think. Good shit.

[@triplesocks]

Mage plays SMT, awesome. Though it's arguable that Persona did ruin it to some degree, but hopefully SMTV will finally be a proper mainline game. She should play Nocturne and Strange Journey to get a better grasp on the decline of the franchise and how Persona has been obviously prioritized.

[@saragos1216]

The PCP went to shit when it got bought by Disney

[@sealedpaladin]

serious question guys.... whats your favourite animes? *Kappa*

[@ekortsec]

You should ALWAYS have at most 4 people on the podcast

[@AlexSeibel]

Cestroke no you gotta have AT LEAST 8 people on every episode

[@ekortsec]

AND have everyone talking at the same time

[@benwatford3068]

43:32 this

[@kokirikid817]

I want to make sweet, sensual love to Gib's accent

[@Kuudere-Kun]

TTG did the Terra storytelling better.

[@kokirikid817]

You're not the demographic, so your critique is moot is a terrible defense. Also, Citizen Kane is a meme and actually the Dark Souls of movies. Just name dropping it in an argument, regardless of your expertise therein, is cringy as fuck.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Final Fantasy VII was never good. Advent Children is at least a fun movie. I hate video games with ambiguous endings like that. If I spend hours working my @$$ off to save this fictional world, I don't want to be told it may have bee for nothing no matter good I did.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

I'm glad FFX was explicitly rejecting that kind of attitude.

[@MonkeyShinesu]

Mage sucks

[@MonkeyShinesu]

There's no getting better there. Constructive? Okay, stop stuttering, stop interrupting people, stop saying you have a point to make and then going on a long tangent and not making points, etc.

[@PacifistBetaFish]

She is kind of timid and even when she does have something to say she usually doesnt have anything enlightening or that stimulating to the conversation. It's usually Nate or digi who drive the conversation. While Mage and Hippo are on cruise control and piggyback off of everyone else's points.

[@RemKoshmar]

I'm going to continue my existence just to spite you. >:3c

[@MonkeyShinesu]

Or because you make money and the other guys are too beta to kick you out lol

[@PacifistBetaFish]

MonkeyShinesu Or because the PCP members dont feel like losing another member and go through all the drama a la Jesse or mumkey.

[@arbelcohen8280]

Firsttt!!!! XDDDD

[@ThePeetzerGuy]

Dark Souls II is better than Bloodborne.

[@ThePeetzerGuy]

If I'm to die for preferring a game with better multiplayer, more engaging characters, fairer bosses, fuller-realized themes, and the best DLC in the entire series, than so be it.

[@ThePeetzerGuy]

Never said "best" (except with regard to the dlc, which I stand by). I said better. Bloodborne's characters either start out dispassionate and become insane, or start out insane and get even crazier. There's absolutely no one worth caring about, beside Eileen and maybe Gascoine for his meme value. At least DS2 has some interesting folks like Vendrick, Aldia, Nashandra (really all of the children of Manus), Lucatiel, Velstadt, Raime, and the Emerald Herald. As for themes, DS2 introduced concepts that came to define the series, such as the repeating cycle of fallen kingdoms, the emphasis on lords and thrones, and the gradual loss of memory/self as it relates to the undead curse. Bloodborne's themes? They're actually pretty decent to start out, what with the whole blood and beasts thing, but by the time they hamfistedly drop in the """""Lovecraftian"""""" elements, the carefully crafted Jekyll/Hyde dynamic you have with your character goes right out the fucking window.

[@ThePeetzerGuy]

Why the fuck did you buy a game that marketed itself as gothic horror when you wanted a game about motherfucking space aliens? Did you ever think that maybe the reason some people bought Bloodborne was because they liked what was advertised, and didn't expect or want some dumb asspull baby's-first-eldritch-horror that can't even get the tone right?

[@AlexSeibel]

havent played bloodborne but dark souls 2 is really good

[@umor9014]

The worst thing is when sequels still get acclaim and give people a slightly skewed, perverted view of the heart of the series like with Dark Souls 2 or the Legend of Korra.

[@oahtobar1355]

Dark souls 2 was perfectly fine bitch (in terms of artistic integrity)

[@oahtobar1355]

I would like to retract this comment, it was made in ignorance and no longer represents my views. though the ignorant part still stands.