Francis Bacon and the Occult World of the Scientific Revolution

[@ForbiddenHistories]

Sorry for the typos in Bacon's lifespan! Obviously, the correct years are 1561-1626, not 1617-1621, lol!

[@hominidaetheodosia]

I’m sure my ancestor would have appreciated you’re efforts!∴ As for all occult practices methodology is key. Your knowledge seems deep, most accurate! Bleeding corpse comment, is alchemical, like very much of what Bacon wrote, should not be taken solely at face value! Fascination etymologically indicates the masculine generative creative principle.

[@SpacemanID]

Great video, thanks! I'd recommend the book Eros and Magic in the renaissance by Ioan Petru Culianu. Would love to hear your take on Culianu's work.

[@traceyolsen308]

According to other accounts of his close friends, his death was faked, he went to live on the continent , first in France and finally in Germany , he wrote with Andreae (?) some Rosicrucian texts and died at 106.

[@stevedempsey5098]

I think you're a bit harsh on Bacon. He could only go so far in recommending the experimental method, especially in matters that concerned the Church, such as the soul. Any divergence from Scripture could have been fatal. Also he experimented to such an extent that it caused his death, try to freeze a chicken in the snow to see it would preserve it. He caught a chill and died. The ghost of the chicken still haunts Highgate it is said (but not by scientists).

[@bominkim5864]

I think it's the best explanation about Francis Bacon I've ever heard. On the one hand, your explanation reminds me of Emanuel Swedenborg, the next generation of Bacon. He was also a scientist and philosopher(or natural philosopher), and a very interesting figure known as a mystic. Historical figures exist in historical flow. It would also be meaningful to evaluate a person in a continuity that influences future generations. Bacon's and Swedenborg's (esoteric) topics may also be identified within the flow of continuity to early modern times. Thanks for your efforts and great job!

[@ForbiddenHistories]

You're too kind, Bomin! Bacon and Swedenborg were very different in many regards, but the link you make is an interesting one. I don't think one can understand the Enlightenment unless one engages with responses to Swedenborg by leading intellectuals like Kant in Germany and Joseph Priestley in England. I'm sure you've seen this already, but others who may read this comment might find this interesting: aeon.co/ideas/ghosts-visions-and-near-death-experiences-can-be-therapeutic. Anyway, you probably guessed it already: there will be at least one episode dedicated to the Swedenborg discourse during and after the Enlightenment.

[@PlatosPodcasts]

I wonder what you think of the thesis that the lasting significance of Bacon, aside from the empiricism, is his stress on analytical reason. This could lead him to conclude that machine functioning should be the model for human thinking. “The mind must not be left to take its own course, but must be guided at every step, and the business be done as if by machinery,” in the Novum Organum preface. This seeded the idea that machines would exceed humans, and began a gradual losing touch with the cosmos as organism, and hence in time the occult became the superstitious as well.

[@ForbiddenHistories]

I'd say any thesis is only as good as the concrete evidence supporting it, and you have to deal with a lot of messy local contexts and complexities when researching history. I'm not sure if I understand what you mean when you say Bacon "seeded" ideas (in whose mind/s?). But when Bacon speaks of guidance of the mind, he typically means religion and scripture. Also, the obsession with machines and clockworks that was so typical of Bacon's time was certainly not motivated by any kind of reductionistic let alone materialistic impulse (I recommend Shapin's "The Scientific Revolution" for the wider context). Cartesian mechanism was explicitly aimed at driving the spirit out of nature, as Descartes, Bacon, and later Boyle abhorred hylozoism as pagan nature worship. But rather than eliminating spirit altogether, figureheads of the Scientific Revolution sought to separate it from creation to put it on a pedestal according to their theistic priorities. I hope to address this in future videos, but the conflation of the occult with the supernatural (Hume, etc.) during the Enlightenment can't be understood without looking at ongoing political upheavals, which again were inseparable from fundamental religious disputes. Does that make any sense? I hope I didn't misunderstand you!

[@PlatosPodcasts]

@@ForbiddenHistories Thanks. The split, if that's the right word, between creator and created does make sense (if that's the theistic priorities), and how that comes with the Reformation (I think participation of nature in the divine is a good characterisation of the medieval world.) Similarly, reason/ratio becomes uncouple from intellectus or contemplation because the reforners were wary of the human mind. So reason becomes a law unto itself, in part to preserve divine revelation as above human reason. Notwithstanding historical detail, I wonder if that broadly makes sense?

[@ForbiddenHistories]

@@PlatosPodcasts Yes, though claims of divine revelation would become an even bigger bone of contention than before. I’ll address this in a video on “Enthusiasm”, the pejorative label early moderns used to attack any type of revelation that bypassed scripture and God-given reason (the Enthusiasm controversy is also very important for an appreciation of Enlightenment responses to trance and other altered states of consciousness). And I certainly think it makes sense to speak of a “Cartesian cut”. Once you neatly segregate spirit from nature, it’s much easier to deny the former and then pretend “materialism” was the supposed default metaphysics of science all along, though it wasn’t before the early twentieth century that this became more or less a mainstream university culture in the West. Not at all what Descartes, Boyle, etc. had in mind!

[@PlatosPodcasts]

@@ForbiddenHistories Thank you. I will be listening to more!

[@Danster82]

Bacon is still way ahead of his time even today. For we should be applying science to the study of the mind/consciousness which has largely been ignored because it doesn't fit ideologys of the current materialistic scientific establishment.

[@schmuckpuppet4842]

Magic represents two sides of the same coin: the manipulation of the mind on the one hand, and material world on the other. They have been practised side by side throughout the last few centuries. You can see the bitter fruits of these labors in the current "pandemic".

[@richardpaschal2218]

Exactly what Dean Radin, Gary Schwartz, Marjorie Wollacott and other professors/scientists are doing. The Academy for Postmaterialist Sciences.

[@terrantsang1016]

Highly underrated Channel!

[@jameshowells]

New to the channel, very interesting. Are you looking to create a video on Newton and his alchemical history?

[@ForbiddenHistories]

Welcome and thanks! Newton's alchemy will certainly be mentioned a few times, but for the time being I'd rather focus on stuff that's not as widely known as this. Even Newton's Wikipedia entry isn't terribly off in this regard, which says something. :) But please feel free to continue making suggestions!

[@josemiguel4837]

Do you plan to cover Steiner's body of work at some point? You're content is great, I hope to see the channerl grow!

[@ForbiddenHistories]

Thank you! I'm no expert on Steiner and have plenty of material on folks who were more directly linked with modern science than he was. So for the time being, a Steiner video is not in the cards, though I will certainly mention him more than once!

[@josemiguel4837]

@@ForbiddenHistories Whatever you're putting out I'm in, keep up the good work

[@ForbiddenHistories]

@@josemiguel4837 Many thanks!

[@ElliotBrownJingles]

Brilliant stuff! Very glad I discovered this channel and I get the feeling this will become very popular.

[@northamericandarkskies5210]

okay who was Francis Father. One of my grandfathers, was brother to one my grandfathers. Might be interested to know our branch ended up in Salem and led Bacon Rebellion. You might want to reach out.

[@koenvanvlaenderen5568]

O well, Carl Sagan, not exactly a source for clear philosophical analysis. What I would like to understand better is Bacon's notion of 'inductive reasoning' and why this notion was an improvement with respect to Aristotle's deductive reasoning. What was Bacon's innovative influence on the modern method of scientific research? If I understand correctly, Bacon's inductive reasoning is not to reason from A to B, but to decide if A is a more fundamental principle/property of 'natural philosophy' than B, and how to find 'true' principles that are fundamental premises that cannot be deduced from even more fundamental premises. The method of scientific research 'evolved' out of more archaic ideas about 'natural philosophy'. Ockham's razor is a good one, and the requirement of a repeatable and reproducible (by others) experimental procedure is another one. A scientific publication must satisfy a set of requirements, such as originality, and how did Bacon contribute to this? The art of drawing conclusions from experimental results, the art of putting into words a certain testable hypothesis, the art of understanding the artificial aspects of whatever exact theory and to remain unbiased, it could all be improved by being aware of Bacon's ideas and his contributions to natural philosophy.

[@ElliottHall]

Of fencing experts he remarked that they were masters of a science or art which when they needed it they did not know how to employ, adding that there was something presumptuous in their seeking to reduce to infallible mathematical formulas the angry thoughts and impulses of their adversaries. - Cervantes, El licenciado vidriera. 1613. The epigraph from Peter Dear's, "A Mechanical Microcosm: bodily passions, good manners, and cartesian mechanism", chapter 2 in Science Incarnate: Historical embodiments of natural knowledge. edited by christopher lawrence and steven shapin. 1998.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Watched all of it 22:54

[@arthurriechert6473]

Can you imagine if he had known about quantum physics and the holographic universe theory? He really would have embraced "magical thinking."

[@margaretkiernan9957]

I think he did he knew about. spritual awaking

[@HeavyMetalRuinedMyLife1971a]

Earth is observably level contained and motionless AND space doesn't exist 😎

[@luisfbjunqueira5837]

Wonderful video. Thanks Andreas!

[@hotepyatusabes285]

Keep making these and thank you in advance YaTuSabes 🙌🏾

[@Ratnoseterry]

I can tell already I'm going to thoroughly enjoy your channel

[@darkerlaugh7325]

I have a book " The Age Of Enlightenment" Francis Bacon speaks to through and makes sense with words for .....idk people like me

[@Rico-Suave_]

Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched twice 22:25

[@kyoung21b]

Nice video though just to nitpick since I have nothing better to do, I thought Whewell was pronounced “Who-ell” - and speaking of Whewell he apparently thought of himself as spreading the Baconian gospel (though via his rather idiosyncratic mix of induction/deduction)

[@franciscamarin6676]

Such interesting videos, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge! I am a bit confused about the relationship between alchemy and magic, and how the modern science erase them both, if you can go in deeper details! thanks again!

[@Dynaboy1]

Hello sir, I'm studying Alchemy and they say that each element/object has a spirit. They have discovered this with alchemy, it's basically transmutation from impure to pure. Example you have a water and if you boil it, air will become moist and you will have pure destilates water. Same can happen with any stone, herbs and everything around us. Some of the Alchemists started to do wicked ways to play with blood, bones, hair and even alchemists don't want to discuss what might happen as a result. Alchemy is art of nature and they play with 4 basic elements, water, fire, air and earth.

[@AshleyYakeley]

Pretty sure his lifespan was not "1617-1621".

[@ForbiddenHistories]

oops... thanks for spotting!

[@troytice8354]

You're on fire, Andreas!

[@ForbiddenHistories]

More like running on fumes, lol...

[@theinfohoarder]

really amazing presentation tqvm

[@ihavenoname5940]

Nice video thanks for that 🙏

[@thomasslone1964]

back then they knew something until it was disproven, today we dont know things until they are proven, the difference is we have to tools to make actual measurements

[@bominkim5864]

Dear Andreas, Your channel seems to be monetized now. Glad to know that!

[@ForbiddenHistories]

Not yet! 😅

[@bominkim5864]

@@ForbiddenHistories Hope it will be monetized soon!

[@robbalink]

His birth & date death in this vid makes me wonder hmm?

[@xmaseveeve5259]

The specky shill in the ad is an FTM CIA Agent who also played a 'Mormon' with multiple 'wives'. Time's too vast for 'aliens'. Watch the full 3hr+ movie: 'Ancient Aliens Debunked'. It's a masterpiece.

[@Kenneth_H_Olsen]

But there should be a differenciation about lets say a murder scene and someone can "feel" the incident, like as if emotionally identify with the horror of the victim, and sense the electric tension, stored upon the perimeter, as a capacitor stores electrical information. Is different than asking a demon that if summoned into presence or into the body itself. Speakin echoes of the deluded mind, where rational does not interfere . The Emotional electric idenfication, that the killer imprinted on the atmospheric molecules, is a charged nature, and can be read by interpreters of the arts . Of Electrical Displacement stored onto matter in atomic form . And when so happens Call upon the Lord, Jesus save us from unholyness . And be our shield from chaos ! Like the 7th sense of a cats fur, it can charge electricity on its fur, and sense atmospheric pressure, as it moves from one area, into another .

[@timeWaster76]

And bacon goes on to say about dead reanimating ... ... "be it natural than it must be refereed to imagination.

[@richardpaschal2218]

Richard the Lionheart in 1187 won the war against his Father Henry II. The final battle was at Le Mans. Henry retreated to the Angevin Castle at Chinon and passed on. His body was taken to the Abbaye du Fontrevault. Richard went to see his Father's body. It was reported Richard stood by Henry's feet and blood then came out of Henry's nose.

[@guitaoist]

יהוה π7π^7 π7 / π^7 = 0.00728 = Fine Structure Constant π^7 / π7 = 137.3

[@SamFootballnG]

Brilliant work a side to bacon I was only vauge with

[@peapod8]

Not a scientist but a philosopher on science...

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

Bacon was more than this Auslane/ Absolom MWM

[@oobrocks]

I wonder if this host believes in god(s)

[@ducdejoyeuse]

Well one thing is certain, you have never read Bacon, you reveal this be your ignorance of his total works.

[@SP-ny1fk]

Any light coming into the world comes out of the darkness.

[@timeWaster76]

Oh brother ! Using a quot from bacon to support your cognitive bias.

[@skysharksingh]

King James Bible author ✍️

[@Liam-nf1dp]

Yup

[@RLW91]

Nope, most definitely not 😑 could you explain?

[@oobrocks]

Bacon invented inductive reasoning the Backbone of the scientific method. Sagan wouldn't argee he was perfect, unlike this dude. Not did Francis know everything, unlike this genius. Maybe this perfect man ought to revolutionize the world.

[@timeWaster76]

@Adolf Stalin You're the one with a problem.....

[@timeWaster76]

At the heart of deductive reasoning is inductive reasoning... the ancients missed that .. "All men are mortal ".... is a conclusion of inductive reasoning" Mostly I found the idea the Bacon has something to offer as a a justification for believing nonsense. Newton spent most of his life on nonsense.

[@Thutmosis7]

He got it from the moors who were african people

[@MikeHunt-fo3ow]

moors were white though..........as were alot oh pharohs......70percent of uk men got king tut dna

[@Thutmosis7]

@@MikeHunt-fo3ow that cocaine got you mess up. None of the pharaohs were white.

[@MikeHunt-fo3ow]

@@Thutmosis7 yea blonde and red hair.....so was ghengis kahn....in fact they found some very tall red hair folks out there......checkout robert sepehr channel if youre interested

[@unatwomey7112]

Moors meant Black in Bacon's time. See Othello written by Shakespeare at the same time Bacon was alive. We all have the same ancestors, Bacon would have liked the science. See Dr Adam Rutherford. Wouldn't have meant Moors were white, but that we've mixed ancestry in Europe. White's a misnomer.

[@YourBoyJohnny94]

@@unatwomey7112 moors was a generic term that Spaniards used for Muslims. most moors were Arabs/Berbers, there were black moors who were eunuchs in the service of Muslim leaders.