Francisco Goya Understanding Modern Art

[@kevinlawrence2229]

What a great and comprehensive introduction to Goya! (And I love the Irish accent.)

[@theartshole311]

Thank you kindly!

[@MartinUToob]

.....yeah....that's why I hate the Irish too.

[@kevinlawrence2229]

@@MartinUToob, who/what hurt you in life to be so hateful? Get the therapy you need.

[@qwertuv8189]

I didn’t know it’s Irish accent. I just felt pronunciations like “diskusion” sound so cute.

[@theartshole311]

Here we go, another month another video! I'm happy I've been able to stick to a schedule so far, but this one was a bit of a rush so it might be even rougher around the edges than usual. Anything I messed up on let me know and I'll make corrections and all that. I'm a big fan of Goya so I enjoyed doing this one. Once again had to leave a lot of stuff out though. I Think I will do some sort of "extra" videos in the future with all of the leftover research. There's always a ton of stuff I have to leave out for time or as to not confuse the narrative. Next month I will be away from the office as it were for work so there may be a slight delay on the next video, rest assured we will keep going though. In the meantime I hope everyone's doing well out there

[@radioactivedetective6876]

U can later do Appendix vids with the left over research.

[@michaeljonathanhermawan293]

What is his painting style?

[@NightTimeDay]

You forgot the Black Paintings, my man :( otherwise, really good video.

[@etho86]

Best analysis of Goya on KZbin. I'm not an art aficiando by any means, but was captivated after seeing "Saturn devours his son". Never knew Goya's life story or his mental health disintegration that lead to that particularly frightening peice.

[@theartshole311]

Thanks , glad you liked it! That is a pretty disturbing piece alright, wanted to talk about it for ages so was great to get the chance

[@maggiewei2142]

This channel should have way more subscribers. You've just earned a new one, excellent video thank you!

[@theartshole311]

I'm very grateful for the audience I have, Thanks for the sub!

[@RaysonWilliams]

These videos have been incredible! You've been touching on every single artist I admire, and judging by the track record I have a feeling many more are to come. These are really well informed, put together and showcase not only some of the best, but some of the more obscure parts of an artists life and body of work. I can't stress this enough, these are an absolute joy to go through time and time again and are my first choice when it comes to showing artists friends that may be interested in these great painters.

[@theartshole311]

Thanks, really glad you enjoy them, I'll try to keep it up

[@bizzyb4564]

this is absolutely incredible!! and is helping me pick out my pieces for my comparative study for school. thank you for so much depth and information summarized in such a great way

[@theartshole311]

That's great, glad to hear it's helpful!

[@rubenacurio8736]

Great video of one of my favorite artists, but at 22:00 the House of the Deaf Man where he made his Black Paintings, was still in Spain, in the outskirts of Madrid. He exiled in Bourdeaux, France, shortly after this period.

[@theartshole311]

Whoops, my mistake! You're right, the House of the Deaf Man is indeed in Spain, I got that bit confused. Thanks for pointing that out!

[@TheAndaluna]

hi! i am a freshman at a small liberal arts college in north carolina and just wanted to say that this video was amazing! really useful for my research essay on goya.

[@theartshole311]

Glad it was helpful!

[@onlibertyjm]

Thanks

[@Cantwaittovote]

Always terrific!

[@lupovonvolpe3874]

16:57 - "Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition"

[@theartshole311]

Lol, had to do it once the inqusition was mentioned

[@erwinwoodedge4885]

monty python!

[@tomfreemanorourke1519]

You bring a new light and dark to the already shaded format of which I have 7 decades of experience, I must confess to finding your presentation an excellent work, worthy of a 'Robert Hughes' standard. Love always. P.s. more please

[@theartshole311]

Thank you for the kind words, I will be making more, have no PC at the minute, once I sort that I'll be back at it!

[@maclaram11]

Thank you so much for this video!! Goya is one of my favorite painters and I think you’ve made a great job approaching his life and work here.

[@theartshole311]

Thank you so much!

[@murraykriner9425]

References made to this Artist after reading the works of Poe as a youth have given me a far greater understanding of the ages of man. If all cower at the Black Paintings, I guess I must be an anathema of what society wishes never to see in the world around them, as I find Goya's work refreshing, and the folly what art has become as a blight, as did the Rococco taste must have seemed to this gifted fellow who lived through it, even if he never witnessed it himself. A brilliant if not tragic life wasted on the slavish taste of an entitled society that saw only defeat for those most deserving of our empathy, love, and even one's singular understanding.

[@austenl43]

I would sign up for an art history class taught by you in a heartbeat. These videos are so enriching!

[@theartshole311]

Cheers, glad to hear that!

[@stephendowds8211]

Absolutely superb. I enjoyed this from start to finish and leant much. I had never come across the 'black paintings'. They say so much of what Jung called 'the shadow' within us; our animal nature full of violence, anger, energy and passion. And all painted without any hint of satisfying a patron.

[@maggs9737]

Amazing video, exactly what I was looking for - please continue to make more videos!

[@theartshole311]

Thanks, will do!

[@mox.kartal]

Magnificent video as always!

[@theartshole311]

Thanks!

[@Jimmy_Johns]

THANK YOU!! Amazing!!!

[@theartshole311]

You're very welcome!

[@felipemejiamedina1646]

Felicitaciones. ¡Maravilloso! Very informative. 🙂

[@theartshole311]

Thank you!

[@marieldowns5674]

You’re videos are made so well

[@mammatrampband9220]

Thank you for this brilliant analysis!!!

[@theartshole311]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@romacalor]

I think you do a great job of explaining the art. Great video!

[@theartshole311]

Thanks!

[@JamesOttoAllen]

A fantastic and informative video, thank you for all the work you've done here!

[@theartshole311]

No problem, thanks for the kind words!

[@angelajsacaartistaffiliatedwpl]

Awesome artist 🙌🙌🙌

[@gencofilmco]

Wonderful. Thank you.

[@theartshole311]

Our pleasure!

[@thechetjr]

Thank you for a great presentation.

[@theartshole311]

Glad you liked it!

[@raisa_cherry35]

Amazing video 😍💞💞👏✌️

[@theartshole311]

Thank you!

[@andrewfrost8866]

Interesting, informative and outstanding!

[@theartshole311]

Thanks!

[@jenniferfedorink4130]

excellent! thank you for sharing your insight. greatly appreciated!

[@theartshole311]

No problem, glad you liked it!

[@eeshat5117]

Revolutionary work

[@LornaLoria]

Fantastic!

[@AlejandroPRGH]

1:25 Portrait of Goya by Vicente López Portaña, NOT a self-portrait.

[@theartshole311]

My mistake, thank you for the correction!

[@hkeenan1000]

Thoughtful and thorough narrative - thank you The Arts Hole. Another new subscriber!

[@theartshole311]

That@s good to hear, thanks!

[@whathappenedtoqualityart]

Excellent! look forward to catching up on your other pieces - possibly a future one on G F Watts?

[@MyColcana]

Thanks for this informative video. Great work, it is very appreciated!

[@theartshole311]

Glad it was helpful!

[@lunes-1]

Great video,keep it up!🇪🇦🖼🇪🇦

[@theartshole311]

Thanks, will do!

[@AxmihaMeuSaco]

Great video, thank you. Just one correction - I don't know if it was mentioned in the comments already. The self-portrait at the beginning (1:28) is not a self-portrait, but a portrait of Goya painted by Francisco Lopez Peña. On the bottom left on the original you see written "Lopez a su amigo Goya".

[@theartshole311]

Yes someone else already pointed it out but thank you regardless! I really need to be more careful with that sort of thing, trying to give correct attributions of images but I still manage to somehow screw it up, I'll pop a note in the description to correct it

[@alfredflorin4419]

Your videos are a gift from the gods.

[@theartshole311]

That's some high praise, thanks!

[@nozecone]

Well, actually they're a gift from this Arts Hole fella ... !

[@max_lowtide]

great video, thank you very much!

[@theartshole311]

Glad you liked it!

[@HowTo-ck2lb]

This page is so underrated

[@theartshole311]

Cheers!

[@miladeskandari7]

That was very useful indeed

[@theartshole311]

Glad it was helpful!

[@radioactivedetective6876]

Ahhhh, new vid 😀😃 Will watch tonight 😊

[@cordeliac2201]

I love your videos, thank you so much for making them :) the way you explain stuff is so accessible and engaging. The only thing I'd add is a caption with the title & artist for the artworks you show; I don't know if that's hard to do though. That aside, they really are super vids & have helped me understand so much, thank you :)

[@theartshole311]

Thanks! I do include the titles and artists name in the bottom left hand corner, though only for pieces I don't directly name in the video as making all those title cards is very time consuming.

[@irenebecker4815]

Your reference to Michael Palin: "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" Well-done.

[@theartshole311]

Lol, couldn't pass up the opportunity

[@jocelynamtower1487]

thank you

[@theartshole311]

You're welcome!

[@sabrinanascimento1267]

He was awesome. Especially that movie about him.

[@theartshole311]

I actually haven't seen that one, I'll have to check it out

[@viola308]

good job! not like the other videos which ridiculously obsess over a certain one of his paintings

[@theartshole311]

Thanks!

[@justanoldsnufkin9747]

Great video! Learned a few new things. Thank you :)

[@theartshole311]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Cus27l]

Superb

[@emilyfarfadet9131]

My brain reading the title: (man pulls out a pointer stick) "now this... is a Rothko" (Goya struggles in his restraints) "No puedo escuchar, no entiendo!!"

[@tiktokuniverse4367]

thanks again :)

[@theartshole311]

You're welcome again!

[@reiniergamboa]

great job!

[@theartshole311]

Cheers!

[@allblockchaineverything9347]

Great video!

[@theartshole311]

Thanks!

[@petrolillos]

The so called self portrait in the beginning is actually a portrait of Goya by another Spanish master, Vicente Lopez.

[@theartshole311]

Bloody hell I really should have caught that! Thank you for the correction!

[@petrolillos]

@@theartshole311 You are welcome. Great video otherwise.

[@ceteris51]

Szeretem!

[@celiarodriguez2999]

Goya is the Founder and Prophet of Modern Art .

[@arts-facts79]

Goya didn´t pack and retire to Bordeaux. The "Quinta del sordo", the deaf´s man house where he retired was at the outskirts of Madrid, in Carabanchel.

[@theartshole311]

Yes, I got that bit wrong, but thanks for pointing it out!

[@NightTimeDay]

Wait... what about the black paintings done on the wallpaper of his final home?

[@theartshole311]

Think they were done directly on the plasterboard and were cut directly out of the wall following his death. Must be a nightmare for conservators

[@keixsy]

Wonderful video

[@theartshole311]

Thank you!

[@JEAGoodman]

Very well done. I really enjoyed this work. One suggestion. Could you possibly speak a little slower? Sometimes it takes yanks like me a few beats when listening to your gorgeous brogue.

[@Ayog06]

Your videos ❤

[@zwethk4847]

👏👏👏👏

[@liamfineron15]

16:52 Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition

[@radioactivedetective6876]

You know how often socio-cultural and artistic movements in England are part of and also somehow separate from their counterparts in Europe. For example, European Renaissance and English Renaissance - not only did the European Renaissance and English Renaissance not coincide chronologically, the preeminent art-forms that flourished were also different. Seems to me the same can be said of Romanticism. Whenever we speak of Romanticism in the context of English Literature it is primarily in terms of poetry, beginning very specifically in 1798, with the publication of the _Lyrical Ballads_ by Wordsworth and Coleridge. And the quintessential core of Romantic poetry is English literature is Nature. For Wordsworth it is the beauty of nature and the sublime in nature - beauty that can be found even in the most ordinary and mundane objects - in art I guess one can think of Millet’s _Primroses_ ; and the sublime in nature, that sort gives a sense of the eternal, arouse emotions of awe and wonder - think Friedrich’s _Wanderer above the Sea of Fog_ , and many of his other works. (In fact German Romanticism corresponds with English Romanticism more than Romantic Movements in other European nations). Coleridge explored the supernatural. And supernatural here doesn’t mean fairies and elves, ghosts, spirits, black magic or witches, etc. Super-natural is beyond the natural, or transcending the natural. Throughout the Scientific Revolution and Enlightenment science was called Natural Philosophy. And Galileo, Pascal, Newton and others theorized and proved “natural laws” that explained the workings of the universe. And the Enlightenment view of the universe was a rational, ordered universe that could be clearly understood with the help of “natural laws”. So exploring the supernatural, in the context of Romanticism, and Coleridge’s poetry specifically, refers to exploring those aspect of nature and the universe that are unknown, undiscovered, mysterious, beyond human knowledge, natural forces beyond human control… I will not go into the 2nd generation of English Romantic poets, Gothic fiction, Medievalism, etc in details, coz it is not a literature forum … Coming to my central thesis: If u consider and understand Romanticism in terms of English Romantic Literature, specifically poetry (coz during this period poetry was by far the preeminent and defining genre) then it is Casper David Friedrich’s paintings that are the closest parallels/counterparts, others being Constable and Turner’s landscapes. I do not understand why Goya’s paintings are connected with Romanticism… Presumably the definition of Romanticism in art is different from how we students of English literature understand it. However, I have looked for but not found any clear delineation of Romanticism in art anywhere - which may be because it was never a concurrent organized pan-European art movement, every nation having their own brand. And perhaps Romanticism in European art is not as much of a big deal as Romanticism in English literature. There really isn't much about it, except the individual artists like Friedrich, Goya and some individual works like _Liberty Leading the People_ and _The Raft of Medusa_ - all very disparate... It seems to me that Goya can be categorized as a “Romantic” painter in the sense that he was going against Neo-Classicism, focusing on a more spontaneous looking style and emotional expression - hence Romantic, solely as opposed to Neo-Classical, but more of a solo figure in a transitory period than part of a well-defined movement. His major works like _The Third of May_ , _Yard with Lunatics_ , the _Disasters of War_ prints, and of course, the _Black Paintings_ seem so very anticipatory of future movements in so many ways - they seem more like precursors of the Expressionist style, than being akin to Romanticism. The this whole body of major works - the works that he is known by - seem to be fueled by whatever inhuman horrors he perceived or experienced during war, and his personal afflictions, whatever hearing issues he had, fear of insanity, frailty, near-fatal experiences, all of that blended in his aging mind. Horrors of humanity + horrors in his mind = nightmarish visions expressed via paint I guess. Would love to know your thoughts.

[@theartshole311]

Don't worry about this not being a literature forum, i'm very interested to hear more about Romanticism in other fields and I'm sure others reading the comments will be as well. As for Goya's romanticism, he really is more of a forerunner to it than any sort of "official" romantic painter. I included the few bits that link him to the movement such as his more expressive handling of paint and his humanistic focus in the Third of May as a way to introduce the style and to show how Goya moved through many styles in his career, from the Rococo decorations and court portraits of his early days to the expressionistic black paintings of his old age. While he is often considered a Romantic I think Goya is a bit more of a special case, he moves though movements at such a pace that its hard to consider him as part of any of them really, he passes though them on his way elsewhere. Romanticism is an enormous subject and it does vary a lot country to country so I will be covering it by talking about a few different artists that illustrate the various aspects of it, nature and the Sublime, the supernatural, and the tension between rationalism and the romantic. Many of the aspects you point out in literature do apply in the visual arts as well. Turner, Fredrick, Blake and Delacroix are some that of my favorites that will hopefully illustrate the movements ideas as well as the variation between different countries takes on them which can be quite distinct from one another. I think this is where the disparate quality you mention comes from. I often find myself saying "European" art when in reality Spanish art is distinct from German art, and the English are of course always doing things their own way as well. Romanticism should give us a much clearer picture of the differences between these cultures and a fuller picture of the style itself. By splitting the discussion of these topics across a few videos on different artists I'm hoping to get at the topic in a bit more depth, then we can do a "what is Romanticism" video to consolidate afterwards.

[@radioactivedetective6876]

@@theartshole311 Yes - indeed it is natural that Goya will move through many styles in his career - artists who live long lives do. every person changes and grows, as does the artists mind. Not to mention the world changes too. We see the same thing with many poets too. Artists with very easily recognizable "signature style" are generally ones who have short careers, mostly because they die early - which is kind of sad when u think of it. The ones who live long enough to see old age generally have multiple signature styles for various phases of their career. I was looking at Goya's Third of May, and the choice of brown for the face of the central figure seems to be use of colour non-naturalistically, coz one wouldn't expect the skin tone of Spanish rebel to be quite so brown. a) the brown makes more of a striking contrast with the white shirt and yellow trousers than some lighter tone of skin (like that of the surrounding figures) would have done b) marks him out from the surrounding figures c)perhaps makes his expression more striking, coz due to the contrast with white it seems brighter and more pronounced - the light is really on him, and the whole face has very little and gradual tonal variation & the eyes and eyebrows strike out, in contrast to the other faces on the left which have a lot of highlights/accents going on which somehow makes their expression, especially their eyes, more muted. so, I have been trying to look at paintings and notice stuff for myself. Would be great if u could tell me if I am on the right track and point out my mistakes.

[@nozecone]

@@radioactivedetective6876 While your general point is valid, no doubt - are not many Spaniards dark-complected? I've never been to Spain, but that's my impression ... ?

[@nidaljabarin4743]

The screen is blurry and we can't see anything that's too bad, unfortunately.

[@kabitabudhathoki8423]

😳😲

[@freddelameilleure2969]

Why why so fast always???

[@Juliana-Bub]

I wouldn't say Goya was born in the "late" eighteenth century. 1746 is more mid-eighteenth century.

[@theartshole311]

True enough, my mistake, thanks for the correction!

[@Juliana-Bub]

@@theartshole311 it's an easy mistake to make. We've all been there. :)

[@user-jv9qz2bu1r]

what would Goya think of lockdowns and mandates ??? i think I know

[@theartshole311]

God only knows, he saw more than his share of death and disease though

[@jayartstudios]

The Spanish had the right to defend their country from invasion.

[@jackbenson8228]

16.55 L M A OOOOOOOO well done bro

[@theartshole311]

Lol, had to put that in there somewhere

[@toddaulner5393]

Arrrrt.

[@theartshole311]

I'll get it right one of these days!

[@orange1599-u1n]

A very conventional look at Goya, that ignores the Elephant in the room

[@theartshole311]

Cant please all the folks all of the time I suppose, though I am interested in this Elephant, what did I not cover that you feel is relevant? If there is something vital or interesting I have no qualms about making a follow up to address any errors

[@orange1599-u1n]

@@theartshole311 Watch my video on Goya for the truth. kzbin.info/www/bejne/noOlfJyPbtOhiMk

[@theartshole311]

Sorry for the late reply, bit busy these days. Interesting video, I see what you were getting at now. I'm not going to tell you this stuff isn't there, secret societies were pretty popular at the time and painters have always put in little knowing nods to their beliefs in their works. I do think it's a bit more of a stretch to go to Goya "revealing" the satanic agenda, that sort of thing is a lot more amorphous and hard to pin down, as are so many things when it comes to secret societies, hence the rampant speculation surrounding them. My intention with this video was to make an overview that will explain Goya and the significance of his work in a broadly understandable fashion, if I were to spend the whole thing going off about secret occult meanings it would, while no doubt be entertaining, go somewhat against my purposes of making it understandable and useful for art students and the general public. I ended up cutting a whole section at the end drawing parallels between Saturn devouring his children and Ginsberg's use of Moloch in Howl for this very reason. I may in the future make videos addressing this topic, I find it as interesting as you do but this particular video might not be the time or the place for it

[@orange1599-u1n]

@@theartshole311 Thanks for watching , i did not think you would watch it. Good to see you have a open mind. I enjoyed your video, and fully understand your position. Keep up the good work.

[@lunavoc]

I enjoy your videos. You tried to pronounce Munch's name correctly on another video, but here you absolutely butchered Spanish. Ouch! The painting of the dog originally included birds flying overhead. That explains the dog's fixed gaze. It's not all symbolism. MB

[@benallan1752]

8:04 This guy's curls look like he's wearing a miniature top hat on his forehead.

[@bzxshor67mpts]

I am not sure how you can connect Goya with Modern Art. Modern Art always tries to ride on the great masters for credibility. Grand Master Artists and Modern art are very different. Master Art takes a life time to learn.Modern art is something everyone can do without much skill..

[@theartshole311]

I dunno, maybe it's a stretch but I think it's interesting to findthese connections. Skill is quite an amorphous topic too, lots of different kinds of skills in art, even seemingly "skillless" abstract works often rely on a painters nearly alchemical knowledge of their paints and mediums. Sure it is what it is, I understand if you don't like that part but at least we can enjoy Goya's fantastic paintings for their own merits

[@bzxshor67mpts]

@@theartshole311 Maybe you could have a look at this presenter by a Norwegian Artist who has a huge following by artists wanting to continue to rebuild the traditions of Art masters.It may challenge the view that Goya has roots for modern art.Very different philosophical approach .Odd Nerdrum abrilliant Artist whose works will outlive Modern Art kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5TNh4t4jdNqmJY

[@self4341]

There is no such thing as "master art". Neo-classicalism might be what you're pertaining to, the idea of following the great renaissance/baroque masters but in the 21st century.. i'm quite afraid we might've left that part of elitist art history in the past, mainly because of artists such as goya who had quite a pair of cahones to make his own path in art even at the risk of facing the spanish inquisition. This man might've been the grandfather of modern art, not manet nor monet like everyone believes. Most art that you consume is contemporary modern art (anime, illustrations, digital art, manga/manhwas/comics etc) which require knowledge of different mediums and mastery of a particular set of skills (see, kim junggi). This is quite an ignorant perspective on goya and modern art, a terrible miss.

[@bzxshor67mpts]

@@self4341 Sorry mate Modern art is destroying aesthetics and creating people with a consciousness which is very troubled in today. Have a look at what they put up on childrens cartoon entertainemt.The figures are unrecognizable compared to childrens art in the 50,s. IChildren and futuer generations will never understand beauty which is being destroyed by todays disney land art. Most modern day artists have a very poor skill base. They are lucky to hold an audience in any Art museum. Takes me 20 minutes to go through an contemporary Art museum

[@jmromero6381]

This is like chewing glass.

[@theartshole311]

Sorry to hear that :(

[@bobsbigboy_]

ERRtist

[@gild2604]

Talk slower

[@theartshole311]

I'll try!

[@ekoleko2086]

I can't believe how many liberals were back in this era . Wow bravo job