Frank's Advice for a Father Struggling With His Son's Homosexuality

[@CrossExamined]

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[@pastorbri]

what about how to not be a homophobic?

[@Ferocious_Cat]

Pray for my struggle too. Thanks

[@goodvibezinChrist]

What is your struggle if you will?

[@Ferocious_Cat]

@@goodvibezinChrist thanks for your attention brother. Pray for my adultery struggle. So I can pass this exam. I need prayers too. Btw, I really appreciate your intention. Thnks James 5:16 (KJV) Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Ecclesiastes 4:9-10 (KJV) Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

[@brandonmohammed9092]

Prayed for family in Christ. In Jesus name, your desires will change as you submit yourself to Christ and the working of the Holy Spirit

[@Ferocious_Cat]

@@brandonmohammed9092 thanks bud.

[@elgindor]

You are not alone.

[@rayspeakmon2954]

This man is a personal friend of mine. He used to be an atheist. He has come VERY far in the short time he's been a Christian. So much so that he shares daily devotionals with a group of us. He has great spiritual insight.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

But he's wrong to worry about same-sex attractions.

[@HandledToaster2]

Which man you talking about?

[@festushaggen2563]

The only defense his son has is he feels like doing something he shouldn't. Don't we all at times. Restraint, self control and denial of self are messages that are rarely if ever taught anymore. Godless societies always indulge the flesh and normalize what is harmful and perverse for the sake of feelings.

[@dansaber5853]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@Gek1177]

What godless societies were more hedonistic than the clergy and nobility of medieval Christian Europe?

[@m.koenigskind6479]

​@@dansaber5853 If its your attraction, ok. BUT if your behaviour is homosexual...than No God bless

[@mccalltrader]

The difference is one doesn’t agree that their “love” is sinful, further, they also believe that their “love” is good. Anyone who sins and thinks they are doing good, is in real trouble In the example given, they are justifying their sin, and choosing to accept it and make a life around it…the situation you describe is nothing like the one being described in the video

[@dansaber5853]

@@m.koenigskind6479 God created everyone with a unique orientation. As unique as your God-Given fingerprints. No Two are the same. One of the letters is for you. You are included. No exceptions. Zero excuses.

[@upsetkidpanda1869]

I salute this gentleman for coming down to the session/conference to ask this question so that he can have an answer for his son - for his own good. Like how many parents do you know who would do that?

[@Moist._Robot]

Could be a plant?

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

But he did not get an answer.

[@1Andelina1]

@@pozitivnaperspektiva7260 how?

[@thejohnmarkproject]

@@pozitivnaperspektiva7260 But he did.

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

Deep inside it was his question.

[@multiwebinc]

There is a huge difference between someone who struggles with a sin and shows remorse over it and fights to escape it, even if they are sometimes unsuccessful - and someone who lives openly in a lifestyle of sin without any remorse and without trying to escape it.

[@pastorbri]

true but homophobics won't struggle with their lifestyle, they embrace it with pride.

[@shantor100]

​@@pastorbriseriously, homophobic is a made up word. Christians reject sin and don't struggle with trying to be righteous. Your argument is mute

[@pastorbri]

@@shantor100 I know u homophobics are a simple lot but ALL words are made up. The word homosexual was made up and used by u homophobics to help u condemn as many as u think you can get away with who are or might be LGBT.....us real Christians reject sin and don't love our sin as u homophobics do and don't struggle with trying to be righteous. Your argument is mute and void, but u knew this?

[@tzenophile]

@@shantor100 Which words are not made up, "dumbass"?

[@shantor100]

@@tzenophile yep. Show your true colors

[@brendastanton1924]

“You can’t help you fall in love with” is what I’ve always heard. Well, haven’t many of us been attracted to someone we shouldn’t? A friends spouse, a married coworker, etc etc. you just don’t entertain those thoughts. And start fasting. If you can’t say no to a cookie, how can you say no to something really important?

[@sids5002]

Cheating hurts other humans. Being gay doesn't. Big difference.

[@robertrenfrow8621]

​@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 flaming homos are attacking our children with filthy images and kids are being hurt everyday.

[@robertrenfrow8621]

​@@sids5002AIDS!!!!

[@maow9240]

​@@sids5002our actions influence others. You might not directly be hurting an individual but you actions can cause others to be hurt that's not even directly invloved with you.

[@maow9240]

@cthulhucrews6602 I use to think that too until I saw the impact its having on the world. Desmond is amazing and lactacia are the perfect examples of how the lifestyle has impacted the world. It didn't start with the LGBT community though it started when sex outside of marriage became the accepted norm. Immorality has a negative impact on society which is why God says something is immoral. To briefly explain the influence. Why get married and have sex when you can have it with anyone you want? (Removing a standard) since you don't have to get married to have sex why would you need to only have sex with the opposite gender?(removing another standard) and now people are confused about what gender they are because gender roles have been removed. We see how that is affecting the kids. Now we basically have porno in public schools so if kids are being encouraged to sexually explore how would it harm children when they are learning all about it. It just keeps going. Sin always takes us farther then we ever think it will take us. Its just a long game is all. Something doesn't have to have immediately results for it to be wrong.

[@Psalm1188]

It’s the sin that is actually the root to all evil…Pride. And Pride will take billions to hell.🙏🏼

[@andrewrivera190]

It is also intriguing that the LGBT movement uses that word as their calling card.

[@kdavis6722]

Aldo intriguing that that pride flag rainbow has 6 colors not 7. A distortion of God's creation, not to mention pride being the reason Satan fell. It's like Satan's logo

[@thierry860]

But following a criminal cult who condone slavery and incest is ok, right ?

[@cnault3244]

Sin is defined as a transgression against a divine law. Unless you can prove a deity exists, the word sin is meaningless.

[@albaraka7519]

@@kdavis6722 You haven't shown a god to exist.

[@aaronformella2869]

Great question to end the video: "Do you want grace or do you want justice in the after-life?"

[@pastorbri]

I think homophobics want hell

[@waxworse]

There are a few sins that I have not repented of but not because I don't want to or try to. What I WON'T do is openly say that those sins are now acceptable in God's eyes.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

How about inwardly say it’s acceptable before the One who died for your sins?

[@thierry860]

What you WON'T do, is grow up out of your cult.

[@cnault3244]

Sin is defined as a transgression against a divine law. Unless you can prove a deity exists, the word sin is meaningless.

[@buddy_132]

@@cnault3244 The proof of God is the insane complexity within all life. Just focusing on the human brain do you know the IBM Sequoia, one of the fastest super computers in the world used by The National Nuclear Security Administration of the U.S.A is vastly weaker than our brain? In fact, your brain is 30 times more powerful than the IBM Sequoia. Keep in mind this huge computer takes up 3000 square feet of space and cost 325 million dollars to make and still loses by miles from the 3 pound brain. It takes Japan’s K super computer 40 minutes to process the data our brain processes in 1 second! Many ask for proof of God, but the proof is inside of you and within all life. Question for yourself if the IBM Sequoia could come about by accident, then ask could something 30 times more powerful and even more complex also be an accident?

[@maow9240]

​@cnault3244 seeing as how science doesn't deal in proofs but simply evidence. Proof is evidence sure but evidence isnt necessarily proof. Nothing has to be proven but simply given a reason to believe that it's true or false. Evidence is merely a reason to believe something is true or not. Solely relying on proof is a dismissal of evidence because the evidence doesn't say what you want it to say as not all evidence is proof. Just because God hasn't been proven to you doesn't mean that sin is meaningless.

[@josephnebeker7976]

Good answer. Anytime you can skip answering the minutiae of a question and go straight to the root of it, you're several steps ahead of the person asking the question, whether they were trying to trip you up, or not.

[@pastorbri]

better answer is homophobia is a sin

[@gathercreatelivewithleslie8340]

Take every thought captive, refuse them and ask for God to remove them. Praying for you! Refocus and find a service you can focus on. Die to self, ask the Holy Spirit daily to take over and direct you. Asking the same every day for myself.

[@ericbadu3726]

Thanks Dr Turek, you always have very helpful answers. I never looked at it that way. While priests may struggle with pornography and it is a sin, they are not going to go around justifying it. It's one of many sins and we will be judged for all our sins.

[@pastorbri]

a better answer is homophobia is a sin, but they like to sin so won't.

[@Orwellwascorrect]

Lying cheating sex, etc are symptoms. The real sin is not putting God and scripture above your own thoughts and desires, not making him the ultimate authority. Because no matter what we will always sin. But the difference is we don’t want to sin when we belong to christ. We want to please and be obedient to the one who died on the cross for us and reconciled us with God.

[@swordtraining]

✝⚔

[@Me-hf4ii]

Amen. Sin is lawlessness.

[@buddy_132]

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. Romans 6:12 We have the power to stop sinning through the power and grace of God. Do not limit Gods power in your life by saying we cannot stop sin, is it any wonder a brother still struggle’s if he lacks faith in Gods power? Walk in the spirit and you shall not satisfy the lusts of the flesh.

[@bumstudios8817]

facts, but i don't understand why "most" not all but most Christians don't realize repent means "to change" to stop doing something. It doesn't mean to just confess it or feel sorry for it. This is where it gets deep, because sometimes you can't change, you can't stop. But Christ can do all things, he can heal you from addiction, he can mend our brokenness, it isn't always immediate but a relationship that matures over time. Pursue him is the best answer i can give because you can't really explain it to anyone who has not experienced his healing.

[@cnault3244]

"The real sin is not putting God and scripture above your own thoughts and desires, not making him the ultimate authority." Do you accept god as the ultimate authority and obey the Bible's ( god's) commandments? Yes or no?

[@rickytavilla4259]

The things people say to justify their own sins scares me to death. If I hear “I’m a good moral person “ one more time. None of us are good not one. Run to Christ for His sacrifice He made and beg Him for forgiveness and mercy

[@thierry860]

Because your criminal cult who condones slavery and incest is moral right ?

[@mattr.1887]

Why should any of these sins be excused merely because you say you're sorry?

[@cnault3244]

Sin is defined as a transgression against a divine law. Unless you can prove a deity exists, the word sin is meaningless.

[@rickytavilla4259]

@@cnault3244 well, that’s not a problem for me. I’ve been outside my physical body and no longer just a believer I am a complete knower. if you’re into history, you should take a minute to look up some biblical archaeology.

[@rickytavilla4259]

@@cnault3244 do you have a chance to to look up some NDE’s. In one of my groups I have been with men that have had glimpses of Hell and I don’t want my worst enemy to be a nano second there. If you’re interested in my story, I’d be glad to give you my cell number.

[@paulhudson4254]

Twisted thinking till I get what I want! None so blind as the self-deluded...Prayers 🙏✝️🙏

[@whitefaze13]

When I was still together with my Ex, we had this conversation made into a light argument about if we had a child together and when they got older and could make decisions for themselves, having a relationship with someone of the same sex and potentially marry. While she very much believed in a ‘live and let live mentality’ my answer was simple. Nothing would change my love for my children, but it didn’t necessarily mean I would accept their lifestyle choices. In the end, I do my best as their father trying to raise them as best I know how, but when they are eventually old enough, they are adults and I have to let them make adult decisions, no matter how much it may be against my wishes for them.

[@pastorbri]

but u would be ok with them choosing the homophobic lifestyle and siding with satan then as a christian parent?

[@Vero2yu]

To be gay is literally as natural as being straight and if you deny that that means you do not agree that straight is natural. Straight feelings, like feelings in general, comes from within right? Sooo, natural to have feelings, some have it for the same gender or both and others just have it for the opposite gender. Both are natural.

[@whitefaze13]

@@Vero2yu can two guys or two girls together have a baby? What is the general purpose of sex? It’s not to feel good if that’s your answer, but to procreate. Feelings aside, what if it came down to the survival of our species? I think there’s alot of things we can see as “natural” as long as we feel it to be so, when in reality it’s not. Live your life however you want by all means, but don’t try to tell me being gay is something natural, as it couldn’t be farther from the truth. I could make the claim that some older man (pedophiles) are just “naturally” attracted to younger boys or girls. Should we just accept that as long as they aren’t physically harming them? See here’s the problem with your argument, as it’s something that goes against the very word natural. Soon more and more people will begin to implement grotesque fetishes, sexual kinks as “natural”, as the door has now been opened to this sort of thing I could go a lot more detail into. I have no problem with gay people, as I’ve personally come to know and have at least 2 friends who are some of the nicest people I’ve ever known. Does this change how I feel about their lifestyle? Nope, but it doesn’t mean I can’t still be friends with them. While I believe in having feelings by all means, they are equally something that can lead you astray if you are blinded by them.

[@pastorbri]

@@Vero2yu This is true as after all, its homophobia that is not natural.

[@Vero2yu]

@@pastorbri Actually homophobia IS natural, more than natural in fact, natural to judge things and literally every one does. Even a baby inside the womb judges, like might kick if it dislikes the loud music around it or something like that, sooo. People also do not have to like gays, blacks and so on, naturally can dislike whatever a person just do not care for.

[@maggiegoossens1894]

I admire this guy tremendously! He always goes straight to the core of the issue! No beating about the bush, wham! This is the problem! This is the sin! Here’s what is wrong! And that is exactly what people don’t want to hear, it wakes up their conscience and makes them face their sin. AUCH........ Bless you Mr Turek! ❤

[@ogloc6308]

Well spoken. Glory to God.

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

He literally said nothing.

[@LiveForGodStudios]

@@pozitivnaperspektiva7260Maybe you should open your ears, you can’t hear with your ears closed 🤦‍♂️

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

​@@LiveForGodStudios So tell me what did he say? Whats the message?

[@LiveForGodStudios]

@@pozitivnaperspektiva7260 He made it a point that though ministers and other Christians fall to their desires and engage in unbiblical behaviour like watching porn etc No one would come in a Christian church and say “watching porn is ok”, but he does see a lot of alleged pastors in churches saying something like “one can follow Christ and still worship the self”; including the idea of ignoring some scripture especially that which wouldn’t approve of same sex relationships You’d know this if you bothered to watch, you don’t always have to react emotionally when it comes to God; I don’t know your life yet I know He loves you friend and you will find Him when you seek Him with all of your heart.

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

@@LiveForGodStudios So what is the answer to his son's question? He asked what if I find someone homosexual like me? The answer was, it does not matter, as we are all sinners anyway.

[@cheanlamazing]

Ur video editor and thumnail designer needs a raise.

[@BatMite19]

Going to heaven means knowing Jesus. Knowing Jesus means believing the Bible, repenting, and turning from your sin. If someone says "I repented and I know Jesus, but this sin is so much a part of my identity that I can't stop," then he hasn't repented, doesn't know Jesus, and isn't going to heaven. It really isn't that complicated.

[@pastorbri]

but homophobics hate Jesus

[@camillewilliams3185]

Dr. Turek answered the questions very well. Saving this for advice on ministering to someone who is struggling with same attraction or identifies as gay. It's a good video even just on the issue of sin in general

[@joanschutter5863]

Wow. Wish I could remember these good apologetics!

[@somerandom3247]

Good apologetics is an oxymoron. No such thing exists.

[@logicalatheist1065]

​@@somerandom3247beat me to it

[@thejohnmarkproject]

I wouldn't really bother with these kinds of apologetics. Just study the Bible. The Bible is the best for of "apologetics." Sometimes people say stuff trying to be safe, because they don't want to offend people, and they end up saying things that aren't really Biblical.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@thejohnmarkproject that's why there's hundreds of denominations of Christianity right? Just "reading the bible"

[@joanschutter5863]

@@thejohnmarkproject Hmm. I'm thinking about what you said. I agree that the Bible is to be my foundation. My best learning style seems to be by example, sort of kinesthetic. So, seeing the reasoning in action helps me put the Bible's teaching into real-life practice. You're way of learning may not need this "hands-on" approach.

[@redgoesface1671]

Master class of a response.

[@pastorbri]

for the uneducated homophobic maybe

[@alschirduan]

Yes Frank, of course grace and with grace comes the motivation to stop the sin. Difference between willful sinning and seriously struggling against sin. God can help a person to reemphasize the good and godly loving feelings they have for others. As they do this the impure desires will slowly diminish. They may or may not always remain something of a struggle but as Paul says "I keep my body under" so he can be more truly loving and share the freedom of Jesus. Same as a married person needs to focus on and emphasize the godly love he should have toward his wife and resist the attractions to porn or other women.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

I hate how that many males are addicted to porn. that is I hate sexual immorality.

[@pastorbri]

but homophgobics won't stop their sin no matter what

[@jimreed2604]

Please pray for a revival and/or A Great Awakening in the U.S.A. by the grace of God Almighty. Amen. This is our only hope. Amen again. Thank you for this great perspective on the concept of sin.

[@pastorbri]

yes pray for all homophobics to repent

[@burningheartsministriesmis1488]

Grace… Grace is the divine empowerment upon the human heart to change as Paul wrote to Titus 2:11-14 for the grace of God that bring salvation has appeared to all men teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lash loss we should live in this present world

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

"It has appeared to all men: If the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, why aren't all people aware of this grace or accepting it?" "Teaching us to reject ungodliness and worldly desires: How exactly does grace 'teach' people? Can an abstract concept like grace directly instruct?" "Living sensibly, righteously, and godly: What exactly does it mean to live in this manner? Can there be subjective differences in interpreting these principles among people?"

[@pastorbri]

@@pozitivnaperspektiva7260 if only homophobics rejected their sin eh

[@ProductBasement]

This is _really_ important for people to hear. Your attitude towards your own sin is really what separates true Christians from people who want the comfort of being a Christian without following Christ. We obviously all sin in moments where passion takes over, but in a cold, rational state of mind, we need to be able to repudiate those sins

[@pastorbri]

yes we need homophobics to repent

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

We don’t look at a church organization we look at God, Jesus is our moral standard not imperfect people. Luke 10:27💝

[@wiffleballer28]

Luke 12:46 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know and will cut him in pieces[a] and put him with the unfaithful. you sure you're okay with this book??

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

@@wiffleballer28 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5 “But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness”

[@pastorbri]

and Jesus hated the homophobic lifestyle choice

[@gi169]

Awesome CE, thank you.

[@mattslater2603]

Gil is still choking on Frank's nuts....

[@pastorbri]

a bad answer, a better answer is homophobia is a sin

[@gi169]

@@pastorbri Who is afraid of people with same sex thoughts, or sexual thoughts outside of marriage? Does the Bible say sex outside of marriage is ok now? A homophobic is a person who is afraid of people who are attracted to the same sex. Biblical sexual immoraly is all Biblical sexual immorality: sexual relations outside of marriage. Christians are not afraid of "homosexuals". True Christians know sexually immoral people like themselves need Jesus Christ. Calling someone homophobic is very silly. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God the father. Praise God, he sent his son Jesus Christ to cover us with his precious blood. No, your comment on my comment is quite in error. Sexual deviency is just another sin that keeps us from the Father, but dwelling in our sin and not accepting Jesus is surly blasphmy of the Holy Spirit and will separate us from the Father for eternity. Please educate yourself in your comment before you say sillyness. Gods grace be upon you.

[@pastorbri]

@@gi169 A phobia is not a fear.....so no. Most homophobics do not fear LGBT they just feed on irrational hate and dislikes of LGBT folk. The bible says sex in marriage is ok so if LGBT marry issue sorted, or is sex in marriage a sin now in the bible? True christians are not afraid of LGBT true, but we do fear God and sin so if ur ok with the homophobic lifestyle choice then u must also hate God. Please educate yourself in your comment before you say sillyness. Gods grace be upon you.

[@billybob-ro6qf]

@@pastorbri a good answer for you is to STOP TROLLING EVERYONE & GET SAVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!

[@IbelongtoJesus.]

And no matter what kind of sin, there are always consequences

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Good thing I have never sinned, huh?

[@IbelongtoJesus.]

@@Theo_Skeptomai sure , and I never breathed🥴

[@thejohnmarkproject]

@Quint-ib4nf Not a sin.

[@pastorbri]

as we know in the homophobic sin

[@flowerpower3618]

This is the most heartbreaking thing as a parent. But you pray and leave it to the Lord .

[@GariSullivan]

It is ONLY heartbreaking because you have been told it is sinful. If you came from a family that was not religious, you wouldn't be heartbroken. What this shows us is that our morals come from our own views, experiences and what we have been taught - NOT from god! Turek's sad and tired argument that all morals come from god has no foundation or reason to be believed. Look at the different types of Christianity - each with their own view of what is and isn't good. There are 8 billion people on this planet and 8 billion versions of what is right and wrong. Maybe you live in a country that allows the state to kill people while your god says "Thou shalt not kill". I come from an atheist country that has banned death penalty. Is your country more moral than mine or is mine more moral than yours? You look to your god to tell you: the answer is "thou shalt not kill" and "any eye for an eye" The ONLY way to stop being heartbroken over a gay son or daughter is to stop thinking homosexuality is wrong. You do that by realising the ONLY reason you do think it is wrong is because you hang around people who tell you it's wrong. Hang around people who tell you it's ok, and you will start to believe it's ok. Morals don't come from god. They come from us.

[@DrezzyEFTP]

When The Father looks at us, He doesn't see us, He sees Jesus standing in front of us.

[@Me-hf4ii]

Unless we continue to rebel after learning the truth. There is no sacrifice for willful sin. Not even the cross. God will not save those who, with their actions, show they don’t actually want to be saved. Sure they want the free ticket to heaven, but they don’t want to act like a citizen of heaven would. And so therefore there’s no place for them.

[@DrezzyEFTP]

@Me-hf4ii are you saying that a thief who have done nothing but bad things throughout their life, can't be saved? What about Jeffery Dahmer?

[@CristOportunidad]

Everyone has the opportunity in their lives to accept Jesus, but repentance is required. You can't accept Jesus's Sacrifice and continue in iniquity, Matthew 7:21-23 says how Jesus will respond to those who practice iniquity. Hebrews 10:26-31 shows what happens when people deliberately sin after knowing about Jesus

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

Unless you step away from Jesus’s light.

[@thierry860]

You guys need to grow up. Cults are bad for you.

[@Pandacous]

I pray for that dad

[@logicalatheist1065]

Why? There's nothing wrong with him

[@mattslater2603]

Prayer does nothing

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@mattslater2603 at least you get to talk to yourself

[@mattslater2603]

​@@logicalatheist1065that's true

[@thejohnmarkproject]

@@logicalatheist1065 There is.

[@ryanrockstarsessom768]

Thank you

[@thumbob]

Good point. Lots of things are sinful, evil. God offers his grace. His unmerited favor. It's not about what you do, it's about how much he loves you in spite of what you do. If you care about him and his love you stop doing what he doesn't approve of.

[@asgaiyawaya3973]

You know what I never thought of the moral argument that way before but it is brilliant. You are essentially moving the microscope back from the painting in a sense and looking at the bigger picture. Kinda like saying if you think being straight gets me off the hook think again I am in the same boat as you if not worse.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

What is this moral argument - can you present it?

[@pastorbri]

well homophobics are still on the hook

[@asgaiyawaya3973]

@@pastorbri But the point of the argument is that's irrelevant. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." that's the point. Everyone in some way shape or form is still a rebel in God's eyes. That extends to both believers and non alike. So if lefties think being a believer is like getting a free pass. Wrong, don't care how many Christians you think you know or have met it's still wrong. The actual difference is that believers are more aware of this fact then lefties realize and nonbelievers can't even see the hook they are stuck to. It also reduces why we choose to do things God's way. It's because we CHOOSE to. It's just like following the law. Yeah the police and everything are intimidating but that's not why we follow the law. It's a conscious choice we make. That's just how it should be.

[@pastorbri]

@@asgaiyawaya3973 yes as homophobia is a chosen lifestyle choice so why do the righties think this gets them a safe passage to heaven when its a 1 way ticket to hell!

[@StardustSnowdrops]

The church of England was made to fight rules off because divorce used to be a sin.

[@StardustSnowdrops]

Well it wasn’t even legal.

[@riks9546]

I think this has to do with the continuality of the sin. For instance: when you steal or lie, it is a one-time moment, and therefore you can have regret and ask for forgiveness. Homosexuality is a relationship and endures continually. How can you ask for forgiveness or be forgiven if you are sinning at the moment you ask for forgiveness? It's like stealing while asking God at that moment to be forgiven for stealing. Hope this cleares some things up. Blessing to all🙏

[@pastorbri]

what u should have said was Homophobia endures continually as they won't repent. How can you ask for forgiveness or be forgiven if you are sinning at the moment you ask for forgiveness? It's like stealing while asking God at that moment to be forgiven for stealing.

[@VoVina111]

​​@@pastorbribeing against the act of homosexuality is not homophobia. Homophobia is the hatred of gay people and Christians don't hate gay people we are against the act (the sin) itself. Not the person commiting it. And if someone shows hatred towards a gay person they are not a true Christian in the eyes of God and will be punished for it. We are to love everyone but call out sin (lovingly)

[@billybob-ro6qf]

@@VoVina111 NEVER speak to this TROLL pastorbri been repeating the same lies like a broken record for years now. I hope he truly does get saved

[@KingDavid071]

Yeah I was answering questions a few days ago at my high school, and a guy asked me if im homophobic. I ofc said no, I love all people, but it is a sin that needs to be repented just like any other sin. He didnt argue with it, after all it is clear and sound innit? Trust in Jesus and let Him transform you to love rightousness. ❤✝️

[@dansaber4427]

God created everyone with a unique orientation. As unique as your god-given fingerprints. No two are the same. One of the letters is for you. You're included. No exceptions zero excuses.

[@BibleAndFriends]

We all need Jesus!

[@Mavors1099]

I don´t.

[@dominicmoras4283]

​@@Mavors1099Neither do I

[@billybob-ro6qf]

@@Mavors1099 those who reject Jesus will be cast into hell for eternity. Many in hell today wishing they had just one more chance to accept Jesus & get saved.

[@Mavors1099]

@@billybob-ro6qf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@billybob-ro6qf]

@@Mavors1099 all that laughing will stop in hell I guarantee it. Not even satan be laughing in hell.

[@MrKingsley16]

Thank you...

[@chadkarka4300]

Not all pastors go to heaven either. The difference is whether we run from sin or willingly engage in it.

[@pastorbri]

and homophobics do engage in it

[@billybob-ro6qf]

@@pastorbri clearly pastorbri here is headed to hell quickly unless HE REPENTS & GETS SAVED!

[@pastorbri]

@@billybob-ro6qf yes all homophobics are headed to hell quickly unless HE REPENTS & GETS SAVED!

[@ericwhittington91]

The issue is, who leads who ... are you lead by your body or do you lead your body. Who is making your decisions.

[@Me-hf4ii]

I would say: both the pastor and the practicing gay man are damned if they go on committing sin after knowing it is a sin. Unless they stop and repent, there is no sacrifice for their willful act, not even the cross. There are many passages to this effect, but the most concise is: “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” Hebrews 10:26

[@Stoneington]

Do you sin? If you do, how many of those sins are willful acts of sin that are repetitious of the same sin you’ve already asked forgiveness for previously?

[@thierry860]

Real question for you : A is a child molester christian, he raped dozens of kids, he repents at the end of his life and dies. B is one of his victim, he's not a christian, he's traumatized by the things A did to him and commits suicide. Who goes to heaven ? A ? B ? None ? Both ?

[@cnault3244]

Sin is defined as a transgression against a divine law. Unless you can prove a deity exists, the word sin is meaningless.

[@mattr.1887]

If true repentance is what saves you, then Jesus died for nothing.

[@cnault3244]

@@mattr.1887 If you finish the story, Jesus gets better. He gave up his weekend for our sins.

[@TAdler-ex8px]

The problem is a divided mind can block true repentance. Honest confession is required. Not manufactured words for the sake of trying to appear righteous.

[@GD-tn3ez]

whose fate is destruction, whose god is their belly [their worldly appetite, their sensuality, their vanity], and whose glory is in their shame-who focus their mind on earthly and temporal things. Phillipians 3:19

[@goodnews559]

Do we want grace or justice in the afterlife? Maybe the most profound question I have heard in ages.

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

WE WANT IT NOW. AS THE ✝IS HAVING IT NOW AND MAKES US BELIEVE OURS AWAITS.

[@somerandom3247]

Any evidence of this supposed afterlife?

[@thejohnmarkproject]

@@somerandom3247 yeah. Jesus resurrecting along with hundreds of other people.

[@somerandom3247]

@@thejohnmarkproject Any evidence for anyone resurrecting?

[@nikke36]

​@@thejohnmarkprojectwhy doesn't god make his existence obvious? If there is any definitive evidence the bible is true, then faith isn't needed. Then why doesn't god just tell everyone he is here in a way nobody could say to be anything else than God?

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Where does the moral standard come from? Exactly 🤔🙏

[@katamas832]

Humans. Feel free to prove otherwise 🤷‍♂️

[@pastorbri]

not from homophobics

[@lancedooley7558]

All sin separates us from God but there are sins that are listed as abominations. Sodom was specifically destroyed for a reason. Jesus is can save. Repent and trust in him.

[@CrinkledPankerSociety]

Where are "sins" defined int the bible? Are you talking about the Ten Commandments or something else?

[@droe2570]

The word "abomination" means "unnatural". ALL sins are unnatural, because we were engineered to walk with God. In the context to which you are referring, the scripture is saying that men and women have natural sexual functions, but some have replaced that natural function with homosexual or beastial (sex with animals) activity which is unnatural. Let's not be extra condemny of a sin just because it is specifically described as unnatural.

[@droe2570]

@@CrinkledPankerSociety Different sins are discussed in various places. There is no one place that lists all sins. Homosexuality falls under the heading of sexual sins, which are discussed in several places. Sexual sins are things like homosexuality, adultery, multiple sex partners/promiscuity, beastiality, etc.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Sodom was "destroyed" because the elite hoarded the earth's bounty and refused to share with the needy (whose labor made them rich). This story is taken from Ovid's Metamorphoses where Zeus and Hermes visited Philemon and Baucis.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@CrinkledPankerSociety Sin, in the bible, is the Sun's declination below the equator. This "sin" is cleansed at the spring equinox when light overtakes darkness. Biblical Sin lasts from the autumn equinox to the spring equinox. To walk uprightly = spring equinox - autumn equinox. This is the period when Snake walks on his tail.

[@sol-hunter2332]

Ive struggled with homosexuality and wrestled with scripture, but found that truth doesnt change just because of what I feel. Not all love is equal. We arent condemned for being tempted, sin enters in with our response to such temptation. I would rather be celibate and follow Jesus, then indulge my desires for however many years and die. How can I reject that which I know to be true and good...

[@fl9667]

Christ crucified his flesh. The same for us we must crucify our flesh so that we may partake in Christ resurrection

[@thejohnmarkproject]

God put us before Himself, and yet we think we deserve better when we aren't willing to put Him before us. . We are spoiled brats.

[@fl9667]

@@thejohnmarkproject oh the wretched person that I am

[@hhh-et2vi]

It's amazing, Christians need to rely on others to guide them through a thought process that they can't do on their own.

[@dilbertfish]

@hhh-et2vi It's just asking for advice, which everybody does at some point.

[@hhh-et2vi]

@@dilbertfish You are right asking for advice is sometimes necessary, but definitely go to other sources than just Frank

[@coqui1550]

As a spiritually born-again believer that doesn't WANT to engage in that sinful lifestyle anymore, I always knew it was a sin against God. ✝

[@Moist._Robot]

What is your testimony? I love hearing born again testimonies.

[@coqui1550]

@@Moist._Robot: Well, I ran from God most of my life, but I knew the Truth since very young. Like I implied in my comment, I was a homosexual and I thought it was impossible for me to change. I became an alcoholic, smoked marijuana and cigarettes for more than 40 years. I started very young, I'm 55. I tried to commit suicide, I dabbled in witchcraft, I was homeless at one time. I was jailed as a minor for selling drugs. I committed a lot of gross sins. God never let me fit in anywhere and He rescued me many times from myself and others. This is just a brief summary of my sinful life, because there is so much more. But I finally understand the mercy and grace of God and what He did for me on the cross. I'm free! ✝

[@Mavors1099]

Spiritually born again believer... what the heck is that?

[@Moist._Robot]

@@Mavors1099 It’s fascinating. This is the blueprint they are taught to fit to become saved. So what better way of feeling that you’re spiritually born again than inventing a fake former life that was really bad and sinful. Notice how his former traits fit in with what the Bible considers as sinful. It’s completely fabricated.

[@astrogate1]

@@coqui1550 Amen brother!

[@RenewalCreations]

Love is not rude, it does not interrupt. Even if you do have an answer, let the man finish his point and question. He is not coming from a proud position...you are. It is not about whether or not homosexuality is wrong, but being patient enough to listen. Slow to speak, quick to listen.

[@YophiSmith]

You added, “love does not interrupt.” By beginning with scripture, you exalted a thought that Paul was not communicating to the church. Love definitely doesn’t do that. Would you agree?

[@bkt6025]

I didn't see that as rude at all, neither did the father guy, Was Jesus rude when he called out the religious leaders,,vipers, , no He was speaking the truth, that perhaps would snap them into repentance (after He was lifted up, resurrected, would draw all men to Himself),, same thing going on in Rom 9 I've learned to lighten up , Frank doing that to help us see , remember that point

[@pastorbri]

@@YophiSmith Homophobic love is also not love

[@pastorbri]

yes and Jesus knew being born LGBT is ok @@bkt6025

[@YophiSmith]

@@pastorbri I don't identify as homophobic.

[@barryp9463]

totally agree

[@pastorbri]

never agree with homophobia

[@Bob-gn8ph]

Luke 21,36 KJV ❤

[@Armuandist]

*God sets the standard of morality and spirituality, humans don't!*

[@logicalatheist1065]

Can you demonstrate the existence of said "god" character

[@thejohnmarkproject]

@@logicalatheist1065 It's been done. Time to grow up.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@thejohnmarkproject it has not been done, all theists end in failure. 0 gods have been demonstrated to exist. Try again?

[@Armuandist]

@@logicalatheist1065 It's in The Bible, it's not you who decide. It's God's word that decides. Whether you believe or not it's your choice. You're old enough. You just wait until you die it's for you to find out.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@Armuandist religious nonsense. It's man's word claiming to be a god's word... everytime you ask a Christian to demonstrate it's a god's word they all fail

[@oldol12]

There is a christian youtuber called Becket Cook, he has a whole channel on those topics.

[@pastorbri]

yes he lies too

[@oldol12]

@@pastorbri My information about this utuber was not a question. Therefore your statement doesn't make sense.

[@pastorbri]

@@oldol12 U support an uneducated homophobic like Becket then what I said stands.

[@stevenrod7]

I believe we all have weaknesses, each is different for everyone, some its greed, other lust, envy, pride, hatred anger, idolatry etc. there usually one that has the strongest hold on your flesh, that it likes to keep going back to. Watching a movie committing a crime like murder is not the same sin as committing it, or the example of sex verse watching sex, both are sinful, but the degree is not. Yes, Christ said even if you look at a woman to lust after her you've committed adultery in your heart! He was speaking that sin starts with a heart condition, your eyes and mind and heart is where it starts. Only Christ can clean us from our sin his words sanctified and empowers us with strength to overcome sin in our lives. It's not necessary a onetime event for others it's a lifelong transformation. We all have our burdens to carry and help each other carry. Scripture gives examples for people who struggle with same sex attraction. They are reference as Eunuchs, one naturally incapacitated, an emasculated man, Matthew 19:12 one who voluntarily abstains from marriage, for there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

[@pastorbri]

and homophobia is a weakness for sin

[@stevenrod7]

@pastorbri We are all Sinners regardless of the Sin.

[@pastorbri]

@@stevenrod7 but homophobics chose their sin! LGBT did not, God created LGBT folk so how is that a sin old bean?

[@stevenrod7]

@@pastorbri You still miss the point we all are Sinner, sold to Sin, our nature is to Sin apart from God we would choose sin because we are sold to it. Now one has to make the choice to recognize and accept that our Sin nature rules us, and we need a redeemer to free us from it, if we do not have God spirit, grace and mercy to help us live for him instead of self, Pharaoh was a god to himself and God created him, to serve his plans. If you fail to recognize and accept your sin, then you fall under the design of Pharaohs, you only exist to serve God plans. Yet God says he wants all to come to knowledge of Truth and be saved. Yet many really don't want to be.

[@pastorbri]

@@stevenrod7 I think u miss the point, a sin is something we choose to do against God.....being homophobic is a choice and a sin..... one has to make the choice to recognize and accept that our Sin nature rules us, and we need a redeemer to free us from it, if we do not have God spirit, grace and mercy to help us live for him instead of self, Homophobics are like a god to themself and God created him, to serve his plans. If you fail to recognize and accept your homophobic sin, then you fall under the design of Pharaohs, you only exist to serve God plans. Yet God says he wants all to come to knowledge of Truth and be saved. Yet many really don't want to be.

[@teelin7746]

I want Grace! If you accept Jesus but keep on sinning on purpose you never truly turned around, period.

[@pastorbri]

so homophobics are all stuffed then

[@godsremnant1115]

1:22 They should STOP and REPENT.*

[@mattslater2603]

Nope.

[@gi169]

​@@mattslater2603 From the moronic matslappy

[@thejohnmarkproject]

@@mattslater2603 And you'll get exactly what you want.

[@pastorbri]

wish homophobics would repent@@thejohnmarkproject

[@johnboehmer6683]

A+ response

[@pastorbri]

except its homophobia thats the sin

[@johnboehmer6683]

@@pastorbri This is just a trollbot, right? No "pastor", seeing sin for what it is, for what God calls it, is neither fearful nor sinful, but thanks for the visit...

[@pastorbri]

@@johnboehmer6683 yes homophobia is a sin so why do u support it or are u a troll for satan support?

[@TrailToughTrailers]

More often than not.... the sinner (includes ME) does not want to repent, BUT still wants to be told they will make it in heaven because God STILL loves us, accepts us, and that is what grace does. That is pure nonsense... we are called to REPENT, learn and apply self-control while in our life here on the spinning mudball. Nowhere does the bible say, or allow us to have our cake and eat it too. Following Jesus' COMMANDS isn't easy, BUT it is worthwhile and I don't think anyone is getting into heaven because they "claim" to be a Christ follower without doing HIS will, rather than their own. But oh how I wish I could have my cake and eat it too many times, but... BUT that is NOT how God designs things here on earth.

[@garygloska7396]

You loose rewards not salvation

[@TrailToughTrailers]

And how does that work? I lose one for every sin I do? Or is it a two for one? Or I fail I lose all? Sorry but I just don't understand it that way...

[@garygloska7396]

Sounds like you're trying to get to heaven with your own strength

[@garygloska7396]

You sound like the Pharisee with the tax collector I don't think the tax collector went home and quit his job but he was more Justified than you

[@pastorbri]

yes as most homophobics do not want to repent

[@clbrans1]

I do not argue that I am more righteous than a man who stumbles, for I stumble too. I object to breaking down the distinction between good and bad to accommodate carnal desire.

[@pastorbri]

homophobia is the real sin

[@clbrans1]

@@pastorbri I do not believe that having an aversion to kink is a sin.

[@pastorbri]

@@clbrans1 but to choose the homophobic lifestyle is a sin.

[@clbrans1]

@@pastorbri To choose to transgress on another because they are sinful is a sin.

[@pastorbri]

@@clbrans1 yes as homophobia is a sin so they need to repent of doing satans will as the father in this video needs to do

[@StEpHeNno22]

Glad this man brought up that statistic about 1/3 of pastors struggling with pornography. I wonder if Frank would consider homosexuality as a reason why someone couldn’t call themselves a Christian, or a reason why someone couldn’t qualify to be a pastor, as opposed to a pastor who “only” struggles with pornography. 🤔 Personally, I would say both are forgivable, because someone can be a great pastor, in the sense of providing care and direction to an assembly of Christians, even while having a particular sin battle. Worst case scenario, someone in their congregation comes to them for guidance to overcome that sin, and the pastor has to say “I’m struggling with that, too, let’s find out together how to overcome this.” 🤷 People make a big deal over other peoples’ problems more often than their own, imo.

[@mr1bienvenu1]

Too many people look past repentance. I know I did for a very long time.

[@mbfrommb3699]

What do you mean by repentance? Please define it.

[@FlyTour69]

@@mbfrommb3699deliberately turning away from a life of sin. Walking in obedience to God.

[@pastorbri]

wish homophobics tried this @@FlyTour69

[@gregariousguru]

When puberty hit, I dont ever remember having to make the conscious decision on whether I wanted to get with Michelle or Mike. I just always desired the female species. Not sure why it would be any different for gay people. I'm betting Dr. Turek never had this dilemma either. It's just woven in who we are.

[@bunny_0288]

Having the attraction isn't the sin. We all have temptations and fleshly desires that don't align with the way God has asked us to live. Acting upon those desires is sinful. And it's the same with wanting to have sex outside of marriage. Having the desire for a sexual relationship is not the sin (as long as a person isn't actively lusting after another person) But acting on it outside of marriage is the sin. There have been many people who have overcome their homosexual desires with the help of the Holy Spirit. There are others who still struggle and choose to live a life of singleness in order to honor the Lord. The New Testament says that choosing to be single allows people to devote themselves to God in a very special way.

[@BrianBadondeBo]

@@bunny_0288 I don't think any of it is "sin". But according to biblical logic, it is a sin to want certain things. It's a sin, for example, to even hate someone.You're stuck in this conundrum of being more empathetic than the text.

[@bunny_0288]

@@BrianBadondeBo Yes to hate in your heart and to lust after someone is sinful. But having a temptation is not sinful and we know this because Jesus was tempted, yet did not sin. We all struggle with fleshly desires. Even after being saved. The difference is, we now have the Holy Spirit and feel convicted and we also should WANT to please God. But the Bible describes it as a spiritual battle between our new identity in Christ and our flesh. Over time, God will change your desires through the process of Sanctification. Certain things I struggled with several years ago, for example, I no longer am even tempted by. But I still have things I'm working on. Being attracted to someone is not sinful. Lusting after them is. So a person being attracted to someone of the same sex is not sinning unless they take it to the next level and either lust after them in their hearts or act upon that attraction and engage in homosexual behavior. Beckett Cook is someone who was living as a gay man when he was saved. He shares his own personal experience along with what the Bible says about it all. I highly recommend checking out his channel for more in depth information on this subject. Also his story of how he got saved is WILD!

[@BrianBadondeBo]

@@bunny_0288 I feel like you're missing that "lust" IS being attracted to someone physically, people don't choose who makes them lust, they simply see someone and the feeling of lust either arises or it doesn't, we don't have any control over it. You can't choose who you find physically attractive or unphysical attractive.

[@bunny_0288]

@@BrianBadondeBo Attraction is not lust. Attraction is looking at someone and thinking they are handsome. Lust is imagining yourself having sex with them. It's picturing them naked. It's fantasizing about being with them. All things that are controllable. Being attracted to someone is not sinful, otherwise no one could ever date or get married without sinning.

[@williamrutledge2588]

Homosexuality is not an identity, it’s a behavior. That behavior isn’t inherited, it is selected.

[@entity5678]

Everyone sins everyday but the real problem seems to be the condition of the heart One person sins and he/she knew that it is sin and admits it, doesn't support that kind of sinful activity infront of others also and genuinely wants to get out of it but finding it difficult. Another sins and wants to justify their actions irrespective of what God says because they don't wanna leave this. The second type is a problematic one.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Jesus aka the Sun, belongs to all and favors none. Jesus is now leading us into Hell aka the winter season of hardship (Rev 9.5.). He will take us to the bottom of Hell (winter solstice) and we will celebrate his turn-about on December 25, whereupon he will lead us to Heaven aka the summer seasons of warmth and a full belly. At the next summer solstice, Jesus will make another turnabout and take us back to Hell.

[@entity5678]

@@harveywabbit9541 It seems you have some sort of mental disorder.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

@@harveywabbit9541😂😂😂😂😂 Yea, suuuuure. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@cnault3244]

Sin is defined as a transgression against a divine law. Unless you can prove a deity exists, the word sin is meaningless.

[@mattr.1887]

So you save yourself by getting your heart right?

[@merbear76]

Frankly the fact that the Dad struggles to answer the question tells me he is likely also living in willful sin and is not a strong leader in the house.

[@dansaber4427]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@merbear76]

@@dansaber4427 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [c]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

[@davidmann2988]

We all struggle with sin. Being gay is no different. Scripture is clear about that lifestyle, as well as so many other things.

[@germanwulf40]

Frank is absolutely right. No pastor with a porn addiction is going to proudly put his problem on public display while telling you that there's nothing wrong with it. Homosexual couples seem to do this all the time. Granted, neither sin is justified, but both are forgivable, should we sincerely seek forgiveness from our Lord.

[@germanwulf40]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Wow. You have quite a colorful imagination.

[@germanwulf40]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Hey, if that's what you think, then more power to ya! I'm not refuting anything you say because there's no point. You, like everyone else, are more than likely emboldened by the fact that we're having this debate online, rather than face to face. In the end, however, you're as much a stranger to me as I am to you; therefore, I have no real reason to either care what you believe, nor attempt to justify myself to you.

[@somerandom3247]

There is nothing wrong with being gay. Regardless of what your fairytale says.

[@germanwulf40]

@@somerandom3247 Wow, you're really determined to get under my skin, aren't you? I'm sure you've realized by now what a pointless endeavor that is, yet you continue to lash out at me--a total stranger--with a passion usually reserved for someone against whom one holds a grudge. It makes me wonder: who hurt you? You obviously have a major lack of inner peace when it comes to this particular topic; it has obviously gotten under YOUR skin. In any case, I mean you no ill will. AFter all, I don't even know you. However, depsite that this will probably mean less than nothing to you, I'll pray for you anyway, in hopes that you'll find the peace you're lacking. Maybe one day you'll be able to feel content rather than resentment, despite a person's differing belief or opinion.

[@somerandom3247]

@@germanwulf40 Lol, nice deflection. Just like the rest of the christians that think being gay is inherently bad, you don't have anything to back it up.

[@sridharrao6864]

Amen..

[@pastorbri]

amen homophobia is a sin?

[@SoldierofJesus_John316]

Deny your flesh and take up your cross!!

[@pastorbri]

if only homophobics would

[@jeffmiller2396]

Exactly.

[@Gek1177]

"Where do you get this moral standard from" is a thought terminating cliché that Frank has trained his audience to use to avoid actually engaging with the substance of ideas by acting a as though a moral precept has no meaning unless it's backed by some objective thing.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Jesus aka the Sun, belongs to all and favors none. Jesus is now leading us into Hell aka the winter season of hardship (Rev 9.5.). He will take us to the bottom of Hell (winter solstice) and we will celebrate his turn-about on December 25 whereupon he will lead us to Heaven aka the summer seasons of warmth and a full belly.

[@tr889]

where did you get the standard from that we need to engage? if you have a moral precept that is subjective and not objective why is anyone beholden to it? where does the moral precept go when you die?

[@Gek1177]

@@tr889 nobody says that you need to engage but it says a lot about you as an individual that you'd rather inoculate yourself against ideas rather than engage in discussing them.

[@sidwhiting665]

​@@Gek1177 how is that statement "thought terminating?" It seems like the most thought PROVOKING question one could ask. . I'll give an example: typically when you ask an atheist or progressive, "Where does this moral standard come from?" they will respond with an answer that goes like this: "The good of society" or "to reduce human suffering." . Then you follow up with: "How do you know that to be true?" . And the answer is typically, "We all just know it" or "someone told me." . That is not a well-thought-out position to take. . The bottom line is many people have a system of morality that is based on "What's in it for me?" or "I saw this TikTok influencers whom I like." A careful, rational, thoughtful approach will always be asking, "How do I know this to be true?" and will constantly be seeking for truth. Society can't provide truth because society changes constantly, and truth doesn't change. Real truth, that is, not a mistake that people accept as truth.

[@tr889]

@@Gek1177 it is not inoculating, the goal is to establish what the TRUE worldview is. If you do not START with the correct worldview, how you look at the answers to the questions will be vastly different, hence the question, by what standard? christian, muslim, athiest, hindu, buddist, new age, satanist, which worldview and standard of morality are we going to use?

[@JiraiyaSama86]

Definitely have to start with the definitions and origin. For all they know, their definitions are different, and that could be the real reason they fight. That last part about grace or justice seems overlooked by many. I don't know if certain people really understand what it means.

[@cnault3244]

Sin is defined as a transgression against a divine law. Unless you can prove a deity exists, the word sin is meaningless.

[@JiraiyaSama86]

@@cnault3244 Again, what do you mean by "prove"¿ Let's have that conversation that I asked for first.

[@mattslater2603]

​@@JiraiyaSama86Prove means to demonstrate... show. But you want to dodge anyway soooooooo......

[@mattslater2603]

​@@JiraiyaSama86has left the chat 🏃‍♂️

[@mattslater2603]

​@@JiraiyaSama86See you next time!

[@somerandom3247]

Here is some better advice, realize that there is nothing wrong with being gay, and let your son live his life.

[@logicalatheist1065]

That would be the best option, unfortunately he's Christian

[@thejohnmarkproject]

No one is gay. It's not an identity. It's a sex act. And yes there is something wrong with being gay. Sex is for reproduction - if you're having sex with the same sex then you're doing it wrong, and you've got some issues.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@thejohnmarkproject sex isn't just for reproduction... lots of women can't even get pregnant, should they not have sex?

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@thejohnmarkproject nothing wrong with homosexuality just because it makes YOU feel sour, don't be gay then, don't tell others how to live their lives... that's one of the traits that make Christians very annoying and disliked (hate is a strong word)

[@somerandom3247]

@@thejohnmarkproject Regardless of your ridiculous claims, there are in fact a lot of gay people........ Did you know that sex is also a bit of fun, and people do it for that reason also. Wild, I know. But there are often more than one reasons to do things. Also, your view that it is only for reproduction should rule out anyone too old, or sterile as well. But I'm sure you make some special exemptions to your rule for them right?

[@nottelling4828]

Frank nailed it. The difference is that the sex addict knows that he's a sinner and should desire to stop, whereas the homosexual is looking for an excuse to continue in his sin. The first is struggling, the latter is in licentious apostasy. God is either God or He isn't. He either knows everything or He doesn't. It's up to us to decide, and if so, then homosexuals need to accept that fact, come to Jesus for repentance, and then walk in newness of life - just like the sex addict.

[@pastorbri]

Homophobics need to face the fact they follow satan as a god

[@NullHypatheist]

If there really is a God, and he wants to be our moral standard, he should show up and present himself to us directly in such a way that leaves no doubt. No perfect deity would rely on flawed human beings to spread his moral laws via the telephone game; that's nonsensical. Frank's "moral standard" isn't God... it's what a bunch of humans wrote down over a millennium ago.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-His eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1

[@thejohnmarkproject]

Ah yes, trying to tell God what God should be doing. Good luck with that. 🤣

[@NullHypatheist]

@@thejohnmarkproject If God is "perfect", then it's definitely not YHWH, because using imperfect beings to achieve its goals would by extension be imperfect. Come back when you have a God that's not a logical contradiction.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

_"As soon as he brings up a moral standard, you need to say 'where are you getting this moral standard from?...'"_ How to deflect every conversation, apologetics style. Don't do this, unless your goal is to exasperate people. When most people say "good moral people", they usually just mean that they generally try to help people, and not hurt people. That's all. They probably aren't looking to get into a rigorous debate about the nature of morality.

[@inzamammohammed]

I hear your point but what Frank is trying to say is that unless you subscribe to God or something outside yourself your 'moral standard' is meaningless. It's not objective. It's just your feelings which in the end mean nothing.

[@joshuakohlmann9731]

To be honest, I'm surprised anyone still clings to this feeble argument. "Without the moral compass of a god who orders slavery, genocide and death by stoning, how can you determine what is and isn't moral?" It's pathetic.

[@festushaggen2563]

I'll actually agree with you on this about the video. But for every other time when you make moral judgements against God and the Bible, you're going to be required to explain and defend what your moral standard is and prove why it's superior. There's no reason for anyone to give you that position and acquiesce to your demands. In my experience, atheists refuse to defend their positions as they prefer to stay on offense and demand explanations from Christians for our beliefs instead. Conversation is a 2 way street.

[@1wasavi]

You can say what you can, but that's an actual issue though, because if your standard of morally good comes from the bible then you're not being morally good by being gay. If your standard of morally good comes from "Helping people" why is that morally good? Why isn't morally good killing and torturing the poor? Because they're weak and innocent? Who taught you that we need to protect the weak and the innocent? You have to understand, the origin of these things is important because if they're based on the human standard the human standard can and will change. In a span of 300 years we went from enslaving black people, to allowing women to vote and work as they see fit. But there's nothing that's stopping us from going back to those terrible times and China/Russia/NK are great examples of it. If there is no all superior standard of goodness. That's above us to tell us what to not do, humans will move the standard of goodness as they see fit because it is convenient to them.

[@incredulouspasta3304]

@@festushaggen2563 _"But for every other time when you make moral judgements against God and the Bible, you're going to be required to explain and defend what your moral standard is and prove why it's superior."_ Do you know what an internal critique is?

[@ironman2326]

Dude looks just like Adam Sandler from that movie that came out a few yrs ago.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Homosexuality is part of God's Intelligent Design. Otherwise God would remove it from the human genome.

[@johnharrison6745]

Homosexuality is part of man's Fallen nature. God's left it that way for His purposes. Have you found the 'homosexual gene(s)' yet? 😏

[@Mavors1099]

It's not in human genome. If it were, natural selection, not God, would have removed it.

[@logicalatheist1065]

​@@johnharrison6745your god is too weak and pathetic to do anything, lol 😆

[@muppetonmeds]

Then cancer and mental illness would have to be put on the list of God's intelligent design.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@muppetonmeds intelligent design aka creationism is one big failure of a belief

[@hyper-lethal-sigma3]

People to often confuse love for something feeling good as right just cause it feels good to the body doesn't mean its ok and feeling passionate about something doesn't make it true....hell as a recovering alcoholic i love alcohol and at times made pretty good arguments for why its right for me to be a drunk..but inside what it was doing to me was murder of my soul but yet my body was pleased by it

[@pastorbri]

yes as homophobia feels right but it is evil.....

[@via2552]

​@@pastorbricalling out sin is not homophobia. Sorry facts scare you. But keep looking to play the victim I guess.

[@pastorbri]

But making up sins to fit your hate is a sin....sorry the bible is a book you hate as it condemns you. But keep pretending to be a victim and I hope hell is everything you hoped it would be .....@@via2552

[@thierry860]

Accept your son as he is, don't follow the guidelines of a criminal cult, grow up !

[@EdwardRomanOficial]

“Criminal cult”? It’s like you’re saying Christianity should be illegal, correct me if I’m wrong.

[@thierry860]

@@EdwardRomanOficial Do you think a cult condoning slavery and incest should be legal ?

[@EdwardRomanOficial]

@@thierry860 Well the slavery and incest part, I can’t explain or answer that; I’ll just say I don’t know. I do know that I don’t regret my position, this position has done such good to me that I would wish that for everybody. If I may ask, what is your end goal here in the comments? What are you hoping to achieve with this (making certain statements or engaging in arguments in the comments)?

[@thierry860]

@@EdwardRomanOficial So, you wish it for everybody escept the slaves in your holy book right ? What I'm trying to do is expose you for what you are. But you would need some self awareness to get it I guess. For me, if I was in a cult thinking it's OK to own people as property, I would leave it. It's called being a decent person.

[@EdwardRomanOficial]

@@thierry860 You would “expose” us… Then what? Though respectfully, no Christians (that are real genuine in the faith) would have any bad intentions in the heart.

[@raffymcfee9846]

I don't know but if I were in that situation I would suggest seek Jesus. Accept him and pray for the truth. The Holy Spirit will guide him and show the answer

[@thejohnmarkproject]

@NickGagnon942 Accept the person. Not the sin.

[@jameshanks5400]

Repentance is key which was not mentioned. Which means do away with the sinful acts through the Holy Spirit guiding us.

[@logicalatheist1065]

I thought your skinny white Jesus died for everyone's sin? Guess his little ordeal was completely useless, just a dead cult leader

[@pastorbri]

if only homophobics would repent

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@pastorbri people afraid / hate / dislike of gay people?

[@dansaber5853]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@slemonman]

f around and find out i guess , oh wait theres sodom and gomorrah

[@robertwarner1160]

In Hell sure

[@averywisefool83]

I'm a Trump supporter that's not racist

[@kayhamilton3947]

Dan speaking nonsense still. I knew you’d be here commenting before I even looked at the comments. You have been debunked so many times and yet you still persist with this lie.

[@dansaber5853]

@@slemonman God created everyone with a unique orientation. As unique as your God-Given fingerprints. No Two are the same. One of the letters is for you. You are included. No exceptions. Zero excuses.

[@ronkebarber6238]

To actually understand who the runner in Mark 14, verse 51...is, one has to take the whole chapter into consideration. 1) Jesus had just got done with the last supper, he had just declared that one of His own would be betraying Him. What does the word "betray" mean? 2) He had just left in the middle of the night to go to the Mount of Olives, and went alone further with 3 of His desciples- to pray, and it is written that He began to be " sore amazed...and very heavy". What could trouble His soul to such an extent as to have to even ask His desciples to- a, sit here- close to Him, while He prays; b, letting them know the extent of and reason for the sorrow in his SOUL!, and to still " tarry and watch" c, what could have made Him to plead with His Father to try and take away this cup- filled with wrath of God, especially for the impending trap that has been prepared for Him?, d, why was it important for Him that His desciples "watch and pray?", and what could be so bad to make His and their flesh weak? Verses 32-38? Why would there have to be present, tge priests, scribes, elders and a great multitude? Verse 43? What must they witness that would be so outrageous and abominable, that would demand immediate arrest and subsequent insult, maltreatment of Jesus Christ, that even His desciples wouldn't want to be associated with him? And suddenly, there appeared a "certain naked young man, simply clad with a linen cloth, left and fled naked? What was his role in the set up of Jesus Christ, in a remote place, in the middle of the night? What did they want to show concerning Jesus Christ? Why would even their witnesses not agree? Wasn't it because they didn't understand the depth of their satanic mind? This man claimed to be the Son of God, and the descendant of King David, and was now found in a blatantly staged compromising situation? Verse 61, why was it important for them to ask about His status as " the Christ, the Son of the Most BLESSED? Implying he was cursed? Funny, that was the only question He answered, because it was the Truth! The Truth they were not willing to accept, instead smeared His reputation for the who world to see, since Jerusalem was teeming with people from all over for the feast of passover! The most admirable and regal thing about this is that Jesus Christ kept quiet, even when they condemned Him to death according to Leviticus 20:13, with all the false witnesses to corroborate their false accusations of blasphemous conduct and speech, spitting on and making fun of Him verses 55-65! Wow! He actually preferred to be condemned to death, rather than say anything that would condemn even the man that fled naked from the scene! He would have made them look for him and arrest him for lewed conduct and immoral act. But, didn't Jesus Christ come to seek and save the lost- even those who are called immoral and who commit abomination? This just proved how Jesus Christ paid for the punishment of every one, especially those who the scriptures condemned as committing abomination, they were the most beneficial of His condemnation and subsequent punishment and eventual cursed death on the cross of Calvary. Any one who still tramples on His shed blood, after seeing what He did for them, by continuing in their pernicious ways, would have no more plea for sin. They will be looking forward to a fiery judgment on that day, but God will be Just and Righteous in judgment! He put the most needful for the last, He never overlooked anyone, no matter who they are or the nature of their sins, He paid for them all! Thus, the naked man clad with linen cloth in verses 51 and 52, was the bait, set up to implicate Jesus Christ and anyone associated with Him. I believe that Judas was blindsided with the appearance of this young man, and this made him regret ever colluding with these people, because that wasn't part of the agreement, and this got him to kill himself! Let us remember that these people will do anything in order to get their way. They actually went to catch a woman committing adultery in the very act, John 8: 3-11 so that they can have something to trap Jesus. They have been looking for ways to get rid of Him, and this naked young guy was it! That would be the reason why Peter vehemently denying knowing Jesus Christ 3 times! one.

[@jonyivre4541]

The Prodigal Son.

[@richardgraham5314]

Run from lust. It will burn you...and it's addictive...run!

[@pastorbri]

as most heterosexuals know more than most

[@SubLuminary]

Can you guys please do subtitles for these videos

[@pozitivnaperspektiva7260]

He basically said it does not matter. He said nothing.

[@pastorbri]

homophobia is the real sin is why @@pozitivnaperspektiva7260

[@ronkebarber6238]

The beginning of sin, the mystery of iniquity began in Eden, Genesis 4:8-15-24. (Actually it began with Lucifer, but since he would never receive forgiveness, God began to impute His righteosness as soon as man sinned, and made a way out for him by the blood of the sinless Lamb slain before the foundation of the world, but that lives, sitted on the throne of God in the heavenly places. Ezekiel 28:16, and promptly judged verses 17-19, John 16:11, while man got a 1000 years deferred punishment, which was paid for by the sinless blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, and the complete man, on the cross of Calvary. ) This sin couldn't readily be judged simply because there was no preceding law about being one's brother's keeper that was broken. (Thus, the whole system was destroyed by the flood, and the laws started with that Genesis 9:5-6, until finally judged and finished on the cross John 19:30) And in verse 15, a precedent was laid down for the time it would take to judge sin, 70x7 or 490 years. That generation was wiped out by the flood, but the precept remained: sin shall be avenged seventy and seven fold. (Matthew 18:21-23). This was the standard by which Israel also judged, as they also had to spend 70 sabbath years ( or 70x7= 490 years), in exile, outside of the promised land. When it was the 69th week year Daniel prayed to God, and fasted to remind Him of the imminent due date of the return of God's people to their promised land; but the sin of the Amorite was not yet full, Genesis 15:16, also, Israel was still in rebellion towards God, and the land cannot sustain rebellion- it was Holy! So, the Messiah had to come and make a way for grace and justification, and righteousness of God to be imputed, so Israel can get back their monarchy, through the house of David, and back to the kingdom of God, by grace through faith in Christ Jesus, as the Son of God, and the Son of man -the promised Son of David, the king of Israel to order His Kingdom Isaiah 9:6; who would ascend His throne as God had promised him. Romans 1:3; Acts 2:30, and come to bring them back to God, Jeremiah 16:16a; Luke 19:10; Matthew 10:5. Instead, they rejected and killed Him. Thus, from then onwards, the way to God was opened to whosoever would come to Him by grace through the shedding of His blood, by grace through faith in His sacrificial death, burial and resurrection. They were given the adoption of sons and daughters into the kingdom, which hitherto, they were not permitted Ephesians 2:13; John 1:11-14, becoming heirs and joint heirs of God and the Abrahamic covenanted promises an blessing (Genesis 25:6- the representatives of his other children by Hagar and Keturah, the Kings of the East, could now access and partake of the blessing, and they showed their allegiance and faith, by worshipping Jesus Christ, as a Child!) Jesus Christ gave His life for all who would simply believe in Him as Lord and Savior, in order to keep them from the wrath of God that will be unleashed upon the Amorite, until the end. Isaiah 63:18; Daniel 8:13; Zechariah 12:3; Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2. And eventually, they will be rescued at the second coming of Christ Luke 21:13; Zechariah 14. He finished the work of salvation of the soul of man John 19:30 and this continues the "acceptable year of the Lord" which began as He took the sealed book of Daniel, 12:4, from God, as the Lamb of God, who alone is Worthy, and opened the seals Revelation 5, and fulfilled the first of the three part of Isaiah 61:2, in Luke 4:16-21, and He SHUT it again. This will run through this dispensation of preaching of the gospel of grace, (which ended the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom, which ended with the stoning of Stephen) by faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and He will return to gather His saints from the world, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15; and present them faultless before the presence of God the Father, with exceeding joy, Jude 24; with victory over sin, devil, death, hell and eternal damnation in the lake of fire and brimstone Isaiah 66:24. The second dispensation is nearly upon us, at this time Isaiah 63:4, which will usher in the tribulation period when the 70th and last year will be ushered in to finish all transgressions! Daniel 9:24. ( As the Messiah has become the sacrifice for sin, and was dead, buried and rose again from the dead! His shed blood sprinkled on the heavenly mercy seat for propitiation for sins for all who would go to God by and through Him, simply by faith! Ephesians 2:8). Then, the Lord will return the second time, complete with His body, as a new Creature resting upon the Mount of Olives Zechariah 14, to make a way of escape for the remnants of Israel Matthew 24:31. Then the battle of armageddon will ensue, and it will end up in total obliteration of this earth. Isaiah 24; Joel chapters 2 and 3, Jeremiah chapters 1-11...; 1 Peter 3 etc. This is the fullness and end, and judgment of the sin of the Amorite! Matthew 18:21-22; Psalm 75:8; 73:3-17. Then the new heaven and earth will be created after the conclusion of the millennium- to mark the expiration date of sin and death, like it was back in Eden. Now man will live out the 1000 year curse of death Isaiah 65, (Genesis 5). Then history will repeat itself when everything reaches full circle- the serpent will be released once again, Revelation 20:1-6, to tempt man as he did with Adam and Eve, those who follow him will get totally judged and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, together with hell, death, the antichrist, false prophets and all whose portion is with them Isaiah 66:24. Revelation chapters 19-22. God has perfected the end from the beginning. But as it is written-"My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge " Hosea 4:6, so, "With all thine getting, get understanding " Proverbs 4:7; Luke 24:45. Be filled with and led by the Holy Spirit, and abide in the fold, John 10, until He returns as promised, to take up His purchased possession! John 14:26; Ephesians chapters 1-2! Then He will set up His kingdom! Isaiah 9:6! Be encouraged!

[@МунирАСС]

The first Commandment says: "I am your Lord God, may you have no other gods besides me"! This is in tune with the first part of the Shahada in Islam: "there is no one and nothing worthy of worship except the Only God"! The essence of these foundations of faith is the same, it is the acceptance and testimony of the Only God and at the same time the same God! For Muslims, there is only One God and this is the God of Abraham peace be upon him, this is the God with whom Moses spoke peace be upon him on Mount Sinai and this is the God whom Jesus worshipped peace be upon him kneeling and seasoning his face to the Ground and it was about this God that Muhammad brought the news peace be upon him and the blessing of the Almighty! The Shahada and the First Commandment are also in tune with the words of Jesus peace be upon him: "Worship the Lord God Alone and serve Him Alone," and "The Lord your God, the Lord is One"! What does One God, the Only God, mean? God in the Messages of the Prophets is the Creator, the Source of All Things, the one who is worshipped and if He is One, then he Alone should be worshipped! Tell me who said I in the 1st Commandment? Jesus peace be upon him or the Holy Spirit? In addition to Pleading to the Messiah, peace be upon him and the Holy Spirit, today many are asking and hoping for Saints, illuminated objects, etc. Worship, prayer, supplication, service, repentance, vow, hope, all these are types of worship and should be directed to the Only God! Otherwise, regardless of who you turn to, be it Idols, Prophets or Saints, you automatically commit an act of worship to these objects, violating the 1st Commandment! If you ask them, then you hope for them, for those who are Created by God and who are not even able to help themselves and are completely dependent on God! Jesus peace be upon him prophesied about the Comforter and about the one who will talk about him and will not speak from himself! There is not a single person in History who came with a Revelation from God, announced the future and confirmed the Messiahship of Jesus peace be upon him, except Muhammad peace be upon him and the blessing of Allah! The name of the Prophet may God bless him and Greet him is mentioned in the Gospel and the "Old Testament", in the Song of Songs 5:16 and in the Prophecy about the Spirit of Truth from John 16-13 and the Comforter, where the Greek word "periklitos" corresponds to the word "Ahmad" in the meaning of "praised", it is also said about who will come After the Messiah, peace be upon him and he will talk about the Messiah, peace be upon him! He will announce the future and the Spirit of Truth will come! Interestingly, the Quran itself is called the Spirit and elsewhere Al Furqan or Discernment! About the Future that will announce: The prophecies of the Koran are fulfilled like the capture of Constantinople or the events taking place before the Day of Judgment, it describes scientific phenomena discovered in the 21st century, such as the development of the embryo, the functions of mountains, the extraterrestrial origin of iron, the main theses of the Big Bang theory, etc

[@Mavors1099]

What a lot of bs.

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

The First Commandment says "I am your Lord God, may you have no other gods besides me". Do you want legislate that? If so then what happens to freedom of religion? Do you want to penalize those who worship other gods or other faiths? Do you want to penalize who wants to leave Christianity, too? How do we do? What do you want to do?

[@МунирАСС]

​@@tTtt-ho3tqI want people to believe and follow what is written in the Revelations! If it says One God, it means One God and not Three in One! A person is created free and believes in what is closer to him, no one can force someone to Believe in a Certain God, but He is obliged to call for Faith in the Creator if He believes that He knows the right way!

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

@@МунирАСС Thank you. But not three in one? You believe in God but not Trinity? Are a Muslim?

[@Ezekiel336-16]

The justice that the Lord's grace requires is turning away from our sinful desires and behaviors, which is called repentance, and turning towards His holy and righteous love by committing ourselves to live the same (a holy and righteous life). That's the way His grace manifests itself in those who truly love Him and live for Him. We don't love Him when we keep on sinning without any remorse or repentance. So, the justice the Lord desires is our salvation and sanctification. Not a Lord, Lord that doesn't do what He says! In Christ, Andrew

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'Lord'?

[@Ezekiel336-16]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Yes, I have more than once. What about you?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Ezekiel336-16 No. I have not. With which sensory receptor(s) did you directly observe this 'Lord'?

[@Ezekiel336-16]

@@Theo_Skeptomai My mind, heart, soul, and strength. Life changing!

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@Ezekiel336-16 _None_ of those are sensory receptors. Do you understand that observation requires at least one sensory receptor, be the modality natural (eg, hearing) or artificial (eg, sonar)? Yes or no.

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

01:30 amen CE

[@poleviatia5372]

There is no difference in sin when you consider the punishment is the same.

[@pastorbri]

and homophobia is a sin

[@jerrycoronado6887]

At the end of the day there has to be an absolute standard of conduct. Sadly, today’s society is steeped in a “feelings” oriented world view. At its simplest it is situational. When there is a standard for conduct (the Bible God’s Word) regardless of “feelings” it destroys all alternatives.

[@logicalatheist1065]

You can use the bible as a standard, my standards are much higher... Better off without the bible (man's word claiming to be a god's word)

[@ArizonaGunsDave]

I'm certainly not gonna judge anyone.

[@StageWatcher]

But God will. If you love people, you will warn them about that and tell them how to get right with Him.

[@ArizonaGunsDave]

Yup, I will let God do his job@@StageWatcher

[@thejohnmarkproject]

We can't judge anyone. But we can warn people of their impending judgement.

[@ArizonaGunsDave]

@@thejohnmarkproject Nope I don’t do that, if people started preaching to me that’s when I tune them out

[@yaddystanley5980]

In Biblical times, ( think of Abraham sending his servant for a wife for Isaac, and other cases like that), the couple did not even know each other, had not seen each other, but they trusted GOD, and left it to God, to decide that they would love each other and be happy together. God put that love in their hearts for their future partner. I imagine in those days the husbands were Godfearing men and obeyed God as to how to treat their wives...which is something that does not happen so much today, even with Christian couples...Not saying it never happens, because it does, and I have witnessed a few couples who waited for God to show them their partners for life.