Free LSAT Prep Hour: Improving Your Speed in Logic Games

[@Lova2989]

thank you for this free video. As a low income future "LSAT taker", I really appreciate this guidance!

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

So glad it was helpful!

[@Wallflowerzizme]

Thank you SO much for this. I really can’t afford a $2,000 class. This is super helpful!! 🎉

[@rachelromanvillalobos2882]

I was able to do the first game because I had seen it on Mike Kim's book lol. The first time I saw it I freaked out and confused all the numbers, making my codes with 1,2,3,4 and 5. I had to review it for like 1 hour. Thanks for these resources!!

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

You're very welcome 🙂

[@MB-gd6be]

yea I saw Kim's Diagram as well. He had 6 solutions... you were able to visually see. Only thing is, trying to figure out that diagram on your own is a Beast !! he put the 1,2,3,4 game in Frames....hard to think of.

[@modernpostsoul]

That numbers game was a great example of writing out the permutations, IMO. You burn through the answers after you're done. Anyone else agree?

[@Chauntecleer]

Yeah, because this game only had six solutions, this is one that it ironically would’ve been best to start out by diagramming them all

[@ATovar-fl1lq]

Manhattan Prep: Thank you for this video! Viewers: If you watched the entire video and didn't panic you are a real one. lol

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

🤣🤣🤣💖💖💖

[@shaliakeane986]

Thank you for this video I struggle with this section compared to doing well with the others but this helped a lot. Thank you!

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

Oh great! Glad it was helpful!!!

[@brittanybutts4529]

For question 3, I used the inferences. I didn't do it the way he did it. But I see that doing it his way probably would be faster. I knew right away that 0 couldn't be 5th, I knew that 2 MUST be in 1 or 2. 1 can only be fifth if 0 is third, I couldn't find a reason why 3 had to be in third or fifth.

[@makeitdowhatitdo8818]

Your breakdown is great!!! Thank you

[@AnthonyCarrier]

I also think like any other exam in school that LSAT is a standard test and there is going to be a limited amount of logic games so that there is common ground among students and correction and it is possible to have this exact question could actually be found on the exam...so doing many logic games that are along the lines of these instructors raises the possibility of having seen the four Logic Game Questions before even seeing a LSAT...

[@brittanyparistx]

This is SO HELPFUL!!!! Thank you so much for taking the time to teach future lawyers FO FREE. 🤓 if you ever need a lawyer, we’re all indebted to you 🤣🤣

[@toxicdrummer333]

I noticed that question 3 actually CAN be answered solely using inferences, in this case. Based on the information you have at 44:35, we see that from our current diagram and rules that 0 CANNOT be placed in the 1st or 2nd slot, and also that it can never be placed in the 5th slot. Now add in the conditional "if the 3rd digit may NOT be a 0", you've immediately given 0 the no choice but to be in the 4th position. at this point, you can write 0 in the 4th place of a usable diagram for solving, since you know it will never change during THIS specific conditional. Sorry, I didn't want to sound arrogant at all, I was just having a moment where I was defending Fefe and talking to my computer saying, "No, he's right. You can deduce from the inferences that 0 is only available in one slot, and a quick glance down the questions makes C an immediate winner!" haha. Anyway, I'm here trying to get better at LSAT because I have a big interview coming up next week that I know has LSAT questions, and I'm NERVOUS. Haha. This info was actually REALLY helpful though, and added more ways to decode these (the inferences used here posed new options I didn't think about before) than I came in with. So all in all, thank you for sharing!!!

[@mralexthe2]

it isnt that its wrong but i think his main goal was to show a process that can be used on other questions rather than just this one

[@tom.a5796]

Yes he did get confused. It's no big deal and his videos have been very helpful for me. And I agree with @mralexthe2 that in his mind he was probably more focused on showing a general process, but that was certainly not the best way to tackle this problem. By his own advice, he said not to have multiple techniques for solving the same types of questions. Had he applied the new condition to the existing deductions (which I believe he identified should be the first step in the process), he wouldn't have gone down the rabbit hole of testing. Instead, for some reason he started with a blank slate, said zero can't be in the third slot, and then started wondering what else could be there. I would do what he said, not as he did! The dude is a beast and I think his videos will definitely have a positive effect on my score.

[@AnthonyCarrier]

I am pretty sure that in the first part they told us there was five acceptable product codes that could be produced...Therefore look back that all five were used in the questions following so it wouldn't have been that much of time vamp if you solved them all at the first because later on you had get the rest anyway but thank you for the tutoring...!

[@kristensanford5291]

You could totally use the inference on #3. If 0 can't be 3 and it already can't be 1,2 or 5, boom you have your answer in five seconds because 0 must be 4 if it isn't not 3

[@Padraic54]

Also, thank you very much for uploading this video. This seems to be helping me a lot.

[@cmann101gaming]

very good video. part about making inferences has been very helpful

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

Fantastic! Glad we could help :)

[@AnthonyCarrier]

I think, "I got this...!", Playing a logic game a day is great practice....! Kind of like doing a Soduko everyday your going to get good at it...I do not know how to do one but learning Soduko can only help a person to reason and that would be a good workout everyday too....

[@msmith3475]

I think the reason she was asking if you could use the inferences is because if 0 isn't in 3, and it can't be in 5, then it has to be in 4.

[@Chauntecleer]

Yeah, that’s what I thought too, that’s how I approached the question

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

Nice work, you two! You can 100% answer this question from the inferences. We think the big takeaway, though, is that you won't always see the most elegant solution to a problem. Sometimes you will and it's a quick and easy point, but if you don't, then what? That's where the question specific framing technique he uses to solve this problem can be so powerful. If you think you're hitting a wall, don't panic and run to the answers. Instead, keep that pencil moving!

[@beatsbymorgan4186]

Thank you so much for this.

[@angelicabezmen1890]

This is a stupid question, but my brain is having a hard time today. If the question states "The digit 1 appears in some position BEFORE the digit 2", why are we looking for digit 2 before digit 1.

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

There are no questions in this game that tell us that the digit 1 must appear at some point before the digit 2. Perhaps this is a misunderstanding of the third rule of the game, which states that the second digit has twice the value of the first digit. There are two possible scenarios that would both work given that rule: the first digit could be 1 and the second digit could be 2 (in which case 1 comes before 2), OR the first digit could be 2 and the second digit could be 4 (in which case 2 comes *before* 1). If this doesn't answer your question, let us know!

[@deveytc]

For question 3. If the third digit cannot be zero that means it cannot be the fifth either. So that is how I arrived at four. Is my inference correct? Because there is no number less than zero.

[@ericcimic]

Yes, that's the much quicker method

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

Correct. Rule 3 prohibits 0 from going in the first two slots. Rule 4 prohibits 0 from going in the fifth slot. The new condition in question 3 prohibits 0 from going in the third slot. That means 0 must go in the fourth slot.

[@edgunther8136]

@@manhattanpreplsat9493 You did state at 49:20 that you can't be sure from the inferences, despite this being the much faster method

[@roxannekinnally4208]

The logical games is very challengeing

[@SoSagittarius]

Hope you've gotten stronger at this section!

[@kewlgurrl]

This was helpful. Thank you.

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

You're very welcome!

[@Padraic54]

Killing Time Vampires sounds like a tv show.

[@manhattanpreplsat9493]

😂😂😂

[@L-_-T]

Man why are so many of these just so basic? This didn't save any time at all, diagram and make inferences? Don't just stare or make a list of all possible scenarios? You don't say? This is the first thing you'll encounter if you start at page one of any explanation of logic games. If you really want time-saving advice, the main issue is that you need to learn how to identify and categorize the games so that you know HOW to represent the data on your diagram, not THAT you should have a diagram.

[@modernpostsoul]

Totally agree.

[@Chauntecleer]

Different skill levels, I guess