Are Moog Parts Good? - Yes! And Here’s Why

[@adamw4469]

Are Moog parts good? YES! And here’s why! - because Moog said so and they gave me a bunch of free parts.

[@FreedomCrawler]

I wish it was that easy lol. I’ve ran Moog parts in everything I’ve ever had to replace these type of parts on. Mentioned that in a few videos but I did appreciate the joke lol

[@Pterodactyl-kn3ve]

Yes, just ignore the plastic bushings in the ball joints.

[@eberardoaguilar4382]

Moog is a good brand tho 🤣🤣

[@FreedomotorsportsLlc]

How much did they pay you too say that, they have gone downhill and there are a lot of fakes out there so be careful everyone.

[@adamparker5696]

Exactly! He doesn’t say anything! Just happy with his new parts 😂

[@adrisakuratree]

I installed a Moog ball joint a few weeks ago and am happy with it, and will be installing a Moog outer and inner tie rod on my 2013 Ford Edge because I've always considered Moog to make good quality parts, and then I start seeing some videos which say otherwise... so I am glad that you made this video and that the people from Moog show that they are interested in preserving quality. I still haven't installed my tie rods but will do so in a couple of weeks and am looking forward to see how the Moog part will work in my vehicle, since I need to replace the ball joint and tie rods on the other side.

[@SPEEDOFDOG]

I have been using Moog for decades and they have never let me down yet. I’m currently rebuilding the entire front end of a 1971 c10. All were a perfect fit with zero issues. They are more expensive but you get what you pay for.

[@Hobblecreekkid]

I have used moog as my preferred tre and ball joints for 20 years. The last 2 sets of moog ball joints I used on different vehicles have been a big disappointment. Each lasted less than 40k miles where OEM they replaced went over 100k miles. I will be using OEM from now on. Sorry Moog it was a good run while it lasted.

[@FreedomCrawler]

Fair enough. Sucks to hear that

[@ChrisPatrick-q6k]

China Junk now

[@miguelplascencia6093]

Sometimes when you install them you can damage them

[@jamesr.schroensr8361]

I have used Moog for 40 years + and never had any problems with suspension parts.

[@FreedomCrawler]

I’m with you. Overall I don’t generally have issues with

[@moabwheeling1305]

Hey David, I'm glad you all are doing well . I have been using Moog products for many , many years and never had any problems with their products . I am in the process of rebuilding and upgrading my complete frontend on my TJ and the upper control arm bushings on the axle were shot . I have Moog bushings going in . They have always made a quality product in my opinion . Take care sir and say hello to Shae from me please .

[@FreedomCrawler]

That’s great to hear! Nice to hear from you and we appreciate it a lot.

[@ChrisPatrick-q6k]

Nah, garbage now

[@tjoleske2027]

I had two Moog wheel bearings fail in less than two weeks after install. They wouldn’t honor their warranty but summit racing came clutch

[@FreedomCrawler]

I’m curious to know why they didn’t honor the warranty

[@jamezplayz2180]

Installation was off

[@peterl2017]

Something more to the story.

[@alfredomendez5210]

I currently have my truck in the shop and I'm upgrading my whole suspension with moog parts. First time so hopefully I feel a differenza

[@FreedomCrawler]

That’s awesome. A good suspension refresh alone will definitely make a huge difference if things are shot

[@mwp597]

Just put a mood steering knuckle on my Ford Edge. The dust cover was not screwed on just pressed on and not a every tight fit. It is loose and will start to rattle any time. Not sure how to fix the issue. Moog has been in business for decades and should know how to build replacement parts.

[@timmothyhuff882]

I use MOOG to replace OEM parts on my fleet vans. On my stock H2 too. MOOG put grease nipples where the factory should have. If the grease nipple is a spot that makes greasing the vehicle complicated, they send an extension with the part. Never have any issue and these parts outlast OEM.

[@FreedomCrawler]

Agreed

[@kokadjooutdoors620]

Want to put ones with grease fittings in my 4Runner. Thanks for the info

[@drlarcey]

I was hoping you’re going to do a video on your install

[@FreedomCrawler]

I ended up not doing the install video on this one. I had a lot of rust I was dealing with

[@eastcoastken]

I just ordered a set of their control arms for a 94 Honda Del Sol so I hope they are good parts. I've seen people go both ways with them. Gonna find out the good ol'fashioned way!

[@FreedomCrawler]

Moog actually called and I talked to their engineers. They are doing a huge revamp to rebuild their reputation. If you have any issues at all let me know or reach out to them and they will jump on it to help you

[@eastcoastken]

@@FreedomCrawler good to know. I actually asked a couple people I know and trust and they both said it was a great product. Looking forward to getting them in to try them out.

[@Slickcheese27]

@@eastcoastkenany updates?

[@eastcoastken]

@@Slickcheese27 no issues so far

[@vincelopez7239]

I ordered MOOG upper arms / ball Joints , lower arms with ball joints. Upper arms say made in Taiwan , lower ball joints say made in USA . You have any opinions on that ! Let me know ! Thanks

[@FreedomCrawler]

That’s interesting. Hadn’t heard of something like that but may just be how they are sourcing their materials? I would reach out to them directly and ask on that one. Good to know but also nice to see lower ball joints made in USA

[@KK10027]

what about moog wheel bearing with hub?

[@FreedomCrawler]

I’d run them over anything else from the local parts store for sure

[@JoseCampos-bd5ut]

I was leaning towards replacing all of my suspension components to Moog on my 99 Chevy Tahoe but now I’m having second thoughts after reading all of these comments. If not Moog or OEM, then what?

[@FreedomCrawler]

That’s a great question. My final go to is Napa parts. They are my favorite house brand and generally the best out of the others

[@92powerdiesel61]

I was extremely underwhelmed by the boots on their upper control arms for a 2014 Ram 1500 4x4. If they could start using polyurethane that would put their parts well above anyone else's. Boot damage is a big reason joints get damaged in the first place.

[@FreedomCrawler]

I agree with that. If it doesn’t have a good deal then it gets all clogged up and worn out.

[@Jerseyhighlander]

Started working on cars over forty years ago, before I could even drive, helping my father with his. Out of high school my first job was in an auto parts store that supplied the mechanics shops for miles in every direction and Moog as a fixture in that store. Seeing them sell out to Wall Street and off shoring production out of the USA, was a major disappointment. They can do all the marketing they want but until they correct that issue, my money goes elsewhere. You seemed to be dancing around that subject quite a bit in this video.

[@ari1234.]

I GOT 2 UPPER C D ARMS BUT 1 moved freely the other a bit harder IS OK?

[@aLabs666]

buy moog CK not RK. Same rule of thought as the "economy" section of rock auto versus the "daily driver" or "upgrade" section. I've had Moog rear wheel bearing hubs i installed on my fj @40k miles ago with skf seals. zero issues. also scuba modded the rear axle breather up into the cabin to avoid blowing another seal with back pressure.

[@FreedomCrawler]

^ Solid advice

[@jixxer48]

Oh and there’s another issue the upper control arm the whole was a little too big I was trying to get an oversized ball joint for the upper 2010 Ford explore do you make an oversize ball joint

[@FreedomCrawler]

That sucks

[@BIG_MF_]

Just installed new moog control arms (with ball joints) on my daughter's 07 camry, and now the car is all wonky. The control arms seem loose and fitment doesn't seem right, also ball joints seemed defective.. I tried to take off one of the ball joints and the bolt stripped out. And now the small auto parts store that sold them to me won't refund no warranty them. . HOW CAN I REACH OUT TO MOOG??

[@FreedomCrawler]

Go directly in their site and reach out to them.

[@trailrunnah8886]

Just seeing your Moog videos for the first time now, doing research on ball joint replacement for my 5th gen 4R. I'm just really confused though, because as you pointed out in your previous video, the 555 definitely looks more heavy duty and higher quality than this new black one. I have a hard time believing that the new black one is any type of improvement. Did they mention anything with the metallurgy or anything like that?

[@FreedomCrawler]

So when I talked to them it was a group of people from their team including engineers. What they mentioned was that their goal was to make it like factory but with better components. I couldn’t give the exact details they did however I told them exactly what you mentioned. Not only did the 555 look more pronounced the fact that they didn’t have any badging on the part made it “look” less substantial and too similar to the knockoffs. To their credit they acknowledged they and noted it. They also said if I started hearing any negative feedback or experiences to relay it over for them to look into or reply to people on. The fact that they reached out at all was extremely impressive to their goal of increasing their reputation again

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@FreedomCrawler thanks for the quick reply! I've always liked Moog stuff, I've used it with success on older domestic vehicles I've owned. I guess I've just been conditioned by Toyota people saying to stay away from them in the 3 years I've owned my 4R, because I'm having a hard time not thinking this "improvement" is really just an improvement to their profit margin by outsourcing to a less expensive manufacturer. I'll probably stick with OEM when I get around to doing them. They've lasted going on 150k, so once I do them I'll probably never have to do them again.

[@northsidepressuretechclean3171]

Where do I find the bolts

[@FreedomCrawler]

Which bolts

[@binyamj]

ETCG made a video about how much MOOG sucks. He's not taking money from them, and he has a lot of experience. A quick search shows that MOOG parts are shit and they have terrible quality control.

[@FreedomCrawler]

I’ll reach out to them and see if they actually talked to MOOG directly. A quick search doesn’t tell much. People complain when they have issues and rarely speak out when things are good. That’s like saying you’re a subject knowledge expert from a quick google search instead of doing an actual research test hands on using actual products. This is exactly what the MOOG team conveyed to me. WAY before they offered me any parts. I’ve used Moog on everything I’ve ever needed parts for and have had zero issues. That’s first hand. Secondly I spoke directly with the engineering team at the company in depth on their increased quality control and their market perception. Than I waited months doing my own online research and reaching out to people before I even mentioned to them that I had another build going. Then they offered to send parts. So, I’m good to go

[@FreedomCrawler]

If you have first hand problems with their parts or experience with something not working please let me know and I will let MOOG know directly the issue and they will most likely make it right. I’ll stand by

[@LoneStarSwirl]

I just installed a Moog Drag Link and Moog Ball joints. Very satisfied so far. Do they make control arms for 2014 Jeep Wrangler JKU? I guess I could just reach out to them and ask. No need to apologize for being an awesome full time dad. That is one of the most honorable and satisfying jobs in the world.

[@FreedomCrawler]

That’s a a great question. Factory or for lifts? I would assume for lifts they do not. Possible for stock applications but That’s a great question. I don’t see a lot of people replacing factory control arms unless they are lifting them. On that note I’ve thrown away a ton of factory control arms after doing a lift. So if you need to replace one I would check marketplace or a local Jeep group on FB and ask around. I bet you could score a low mileage set for super cheap if not free

[@FreedomCrawler]

And thank you! I don’t know how people do it full time all the time. Especially with more than one kid lol

[@justinstewart3060]

Here I am, just sitting here waiting for a “life update” video… 🤷🏻‍♂️ (it’s been so long, no videos)

[@FreedomCrawler]

since you asked. Lol We’ve been taking a slight break as we’ve been trying to get situated. We have PCS’d to the middle of the Pacific for Shaes first duty station and trying to get squared away here.

[@justinstewart3060]

@@FreedomCrawler I figured you guys were probably moving and getting situated again. Just thought I’d make a post, hopefully spark a lil interest in making a new video 😂. I’m way on the other side of the country, here in Maine. 🤓👍

[@2kmessiah_350]

What about Sidem?

[@FreedomCrawler]

Not sure what you mean? Is that a brand? If so I’d stick with oem or Moog only

[@kylerchaffin5814]

The parts that take the most beating I would just buy OEM AND THE PARTS LIKE AN UPPER CONTROL ARM I WOULD PROBABLY CHEAP OUT AND GO WITH MOOG because they’re $315 per arm =$630 for a dodge charger and moog got em for $100 for both so if I have to change them again, it will still be three times cheaper than oem

[@jixxer48]

😢 I just recently purchased upper control arm bushings for my Ford explorer 2010 the only trouble I had is putting the dust cover on it there’s no way without breaking the dust cover it’s going to go on easily I tried Different Waze I couldn’t get it on

[@FreedomCrawler]

That’s odd

[@ASEWorldClassTech]

Moog RK parts unfortunately aren't great at all. They are actually bottom Value Grade at best. This is why O'reilly Auto Parts Invested into there own company and created Precision and dropped Moog because the amount of Moog Warranties were getting out of control. The only local store I know of that still sells Moog is Advance Auto and Private owned Parts Stores. You can get all the free parts you want for this paid video but I Disagree to a point. I am an ASE World Class Automotive Technician with over 25 years professional experience and I see it every day. 10 years ago Moog sold a quality product that actually exceeded OE by far. Now not so much. Once Moog got sold off a few times now the company that once had a great reputation is now out to maximize profits with cheap parts made of inferior designs and cheap metal. If you see a Control arm that starts with RK it's not great at all it's actually below OE grade. This is from a guy who has a Moog Front end on his Truck. But if you buy a Moog RK Control arm and that's your only option I'd go as far and take the ball joint out and replace it with a "CK or K" Series Problem Solver Ball joint because the Quality level difference is extremely significant. It's night and day. The CK & K Series Parts can be made in America, Japan and Taiwan. They have grease fittings and the quality is at OE level. The RK Series parts are usually made in China and don't last at all and are terrible. They don't last at all... So this is me not totally talking down Moog. This is just to get people to understand the difference in the product lines they sell... CK & K = GOOD...... RK=BAD & CHEAP.... I will say it once more. If you are forced to buy an RK Moog Control Arm. Take the Ball joint out and replace it with a CK/K Problem Solver Balljoint and you have the best possible combo. I get it's allot of work. But I'd rather install it before to get a OE level part rather than a Balljoint that lasts 7 days- 2 months. I can also prove my credentials if needed. I have been in my local newspaper and I'm on the ASE Website....

[@FreedomCrawler]

I agree oem is for sure the way to go. However after talking to the engineers directly at Moog and using their parts. I’ve never had an issue

[@FreedomCrawler]

And I say it like it is. I’ve had a lot of companies send me free things and when it’s crap I call it like I see it

[@ASEWorldClassTech]

@@FreedomCrawler In the nicest way possible you are one person. I see about 6-15 vehicles a day. I'm just telling you my experience.

[@ASEWorldClassTech]

@@FreedomCrawler I wasn't totally crapping on Moog. Like I said the CK/K Series parts are OE Level Quality. The RK parts are an issue. Put an RK Control Arm on a GM Pickup for 6 months. Then Unload the front end and you will see exactly what I mean. Then you install a CK/K Problem Solver Balljoint in and it lasts for about 2-5 years. The Bushings however are okay amongst either Product line. Just make sure in any SLA suspension you're unloading the suspension and checking them with a prybar. I generally use a Floor jack under the control arm to check the ball joints with a prybar under the tire and a prybar to check the bushings.

[@jerseyjim9092]

I suppose all the negative reviews, especially about holes in ball joint boots, could be fake.

[@FreedomCrawler]

No doubt there’s been some issues. Moog admitted that directly. Just that they are trying to improve

[@HiFiInsider]

is the 555 a Sankei? Isn’t that made in Japan?

[@neonblasters3878]

Yes. 555 is A Japanese suspension company. They’re great imo. Build a lot of the Toyota OE parts.

[@Donkarnage223]

How are all your MOOG parts holding up today? I need to swap all my front end suspension parts on a 2003 Sequoia. I need the new parts to last though when I am in the middle of nowhere.

[@FreedomCrawler]

If I had any bit of concern I would do oem lower ball joints every time. It’s more of a why not. However I personally wouldn’t have any issue tossing Moog parts in as a backup if that was readily available and I couldn’t do oem for whatever reason.

[@jimski1]

They have started there old tricks with plastic bushings inside. They don’t advertise metal bushings anymore

[@GREMS43]

Hey just wondering were these RK or CK parts? Is there a big difference between both?

[@GameFlife]

Rk more value ck more long time theres some article if you google it

[@zato7649]

Nice vídeo bro... I'm searching for LBJ. Idk if take the OEM or MooG. I view your others video and i tought "Moog 555" was better that "black Moog". If You could give more information about it. PD: sorry for My Bad English lol.

[@FreedomCrawler]

No worries at all and thanks for reaching out. I actually just made a new video on this and will be making another one. Bother are actually good parts. I didn’t know this until after Moog reached out but the black one is actually their newer version. Personally if I saw a 555 version I would probably take that one first though. Lol

[@zato7649]

@@FreedomCrawler OEM vs Moog 555. Which would You choice ? 🤯🤯🤯.

[@FreedomCrawler]

@@zato7649 Moog called me directly after they saw this video and I talked to their engineers and sales team thoroughly in regards to all of this. They said they have updated their products and are working on fixing a lot of the misinformation that’s on the internet about them right now. They want to prove they are better than oem in every aspect. I would have no issues running Moog again ( I put them on my 3rd gen 4runner) and if you ever had any issues you could let me know and I’ll relay directly to their engineering team. I’m sure they would jump on it. So for me? Moog. If I just wanted to spend the extra money to say I did. Then oem

[@NathanAndruscavage-nu4zz]

@@FreedomCrawlerCan you confirm they don’t have have plastic in them? Lower ball joints? Does moog buy ither brands and box them?

[@PerryGeorge-dg3bk]

I rarely comment on video's but, seriously, MOOG is good quality because you talked to them and they sent you a free rebuild kit for yoder? Unfamiliar with MOOG, I just ordered some MOOG front suspension parts for my diesel truck and became concerned after reading some reviews. This is not a review based on experience, this was a "I was concerned with MOOG quality so I called them and MOOG sent me a ton of free parts to upgrade my ride for free" video. Maybe I should also give them a call. You should show your gratitude and title this video with your last comment "Thanks, appreciate it MOOG" for sending me free stuff.

[@howabouthetruth2157]

If that black ( powder coat? ) lower ball joint in that other video is being called by Moog as "an upgrade to the 555 part"......then I don't believe Moog for a New York minute. Anyone with common sense could CLEARLY see the differences in quality between those 2 parts. The black lower ball joint had NO stainless steel rings holding the rubber boot in place, while the 555 part did. Even the casting itself looked far superior on the 555 part vs the black part. The black lower ball joint didn't even have a grease fitting to service the joint.

[@howabouthetruth2157]

The OEM Toyota lower ball joints are made in Japan.......and expensive as all hell. I found them, and they wanted $108 EACH. Crazy. And don't confuse the fact that the lower ball joints in 1st gen Tacoma's as being the weak point in the entire suspension, with "these OEM lower ball joints WILL cause catastrophic failure". Sure, they are the weakest point of the entire system, but that doesn't mean "they're going to break". If they're worn and exhibit play when testing them, they should be replaced immediately like ANY lower ball joint. I bought my 2000 Tacoma 4x4 with 3RZ engine brand new. And let me tell ya, I ran this truck through the ringer when it was new, going offroad. I was crossing huge canals ( only inches of water over 12 to 15 inches of mud in the bottom ) that are 50 ft wide at the top and about 20 something feet wide at the bottom, with the levies on both sides as steep & high as the side of a typical overpass. I would literally slalom back & forth, crossing these canals, for the entire length if the canal, usually over an 1/8th of a mile. NONE of the other 4 wheelers would even attempt to do it even once .........and they all said: "You're f*cking crazy". Now imagine how much I was causing my entire suspension to flex while doing that. Never once lost a lower ball joint. I finally replaced them somewhere north of the 300,000 mile mark, and yes, they were worn out. The original OEM lower ball joints failing is quite rare for the typical every day driver, and of those that have failed, I truly believe they were defective to begin with.........or people aren't being truthful about their lower ball joints being worn out. Perhaps they weren't even aware that they were worn out. I replaced mine with the blue Mevotech "Supreme" ball joints ( the rubber boot is blue ). That was nearly 3 years ago, and so far, so good. @@briana3544

[@lutimletap648]

Seeing conflicting info all over the web about moog quality.

[@FreedomCrawler]

That’s what Moog is trying to work on as we speak

[@leojosephbutlerjr.mbamsha7531]

I was recommended to buy parts from moog. However, after educating myself on the company and the poor quality I’m not sure. This is my first ordering parts for my chevelle from end suspension and rear end. I was told QA1 is a better selection compared to Moog. Please assist with to select the right company for my project.

[@FreedomCrawler]

If qa1 has better support for chevelles that sounds like the better option. I haven’t had a Chevelle for a few years unfortunately

[@adamparker5696]

MOOG is Garbage! Steer clear..no pun intended

[@FreedomCrawler]

I see what you did there. They reached out and definitely want to make sure their parts are getting a quality reputation like they used to. If you have any issues I highly recommend reaching out to them

[@gearhead598]

Made in Baguio City Philipines.

[@FreedomCrawler]

I’ve seen all sorts of locations

[@Fatboy53]

Moog sucks. I’m just a DIY guy but they burned me on a 2016 Camry control arms. I’ll never buy Moog again. No refund from Moog or Amazon. Glad u had good luck I didn’t. OEM from now on.

[@BIG_MF_]

What was wrong with the parts? The reason I'm asking is I just installed new control arms on my daughter's 07 Camry, and now it's running wonky on the full turn. Thanks

[@Fatboy53]

@@BIG_MF_ I hate to say this as it’s embarrassing but I like to help. The Moog and O Reilly parts were labelled BACKWARDS. Or it was me? I forced them on backwards like a dummy. I didn’t know any better. It rode horrible. I returned them. O Reilly same labelling! I put them in as I thought (opposite of labels) and it aligned perfectly. Maybe it’s just me but R means passenger L is drivers. The internet is absolutely no help they can’t agree what’s drivers or passenger. Lesson learned- match up the parts. The Moog were probably perfect. I wish they’d label parts as passenger or driver. I spoke French in my garage for three days on that Camry. Wishing you the best.

[@BIG_MF_]

@@Fatboy53 that's exactly how i installed them. (R) passenger. . . (L) driver. . . that still wouldn't explain how the bolt to one of the ball joints stripped when I took the ball joint off. . . (easier to install control arm and ball joint separate instead of together which is how they come). . . I thought maybe it was just over torqued at the factory but no, looks like it was cross threaded and forced in. . . . . Thanks for your response brother, i appreciate it 👍💯

[@BIG_MF_]

@@Fatboy53 what was the result of installing them backwards? How did it affect the vehicle? Cuz now I'm wondering if they were mislabeled.

[@Fatboy53]

@@BIG_MF_ it was horrible. My neighbor came over. He took a tape measure from front of front tires to back of front tires. They weren’t identical as they should be. It was basically pigeon toed. There was a difference when the values should be equal. I put in the O Reilly, they were labelled wrong also, opposite as labelled and learned a hard lesson. Parts are made in China and they made me speak French for 3 days 😂. Once the O Reilly were in it aligned no problems and drives like a Caddy now. Plus O Reilly are lifetime guarantee! Anyways, I feel your pain. Very sorry to hear. A job like this sucks enough w/o mislabelled parts!! Wishing you the best at figuring it out. Tried to put a review on Moog Amazon and they didn’t allow me!? WTH. Cheers bro French in the garage. I was throwing wrenches at the wall. I use OEM, O Reilly or Rock Auto. Also- Amazon sells FAKE NGK DENSO plugs on Amazon- Toyota sells them almost same price OEM. Check the YT vids on that brother. Also, if you need axles check the web. A place here in UT rebuilds OEM ones and sells them

[@robertendl9205]

Moog parts are great if you can get new old stock. I. E. American made. Avoid any Chinese parts.

[@FreedomCrawler]

I agree

[@saulGjr]

Hey David, Sent you a message on Instagram. Trying to get your opinion. Thanks

[@FreedomCrawler]

I don’t see it. Let me double check