FREEWING F-14A TWIN 64 2ND FLIGHT HOW NOT TO LAND IT! CRASH!! by FGFRC

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

How not to land the F-14a Tomcat!

[@friendlyreptile9931]

Maybe i'm wrong but it looks like there were no flaps used for this landing?

[@GearUpRc]

I agree with the other person that said it didn’t appear that you were coming in too slow!!! She dropped a wing in a split second!!! I had the same issue with the Alpha Jet. I give you credit Fatguy for posting this video. It will assist a lot of people who haven’t flown that model yet. I really like the lighting and the after burner you installed.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Thanks! And as far as posting it. I ALWAYS post crashes for that exact reason. You will always learn more from a crash than you ever will from great flights.

[@TwoBrosRC]

Sorry to see it, man! This is definitely a stall from flaring too early (and too high) without enough thrust to keep the jet in the air. Neither the 64 or the 80 are tolerant of flaring like that. You'll get it down with practice.

[@gooniac33]

Gotta fly it to the ground with minimal flare. Or better yet make sure max elevator throw wont make the plane do this to you. Seems like the classic too much elevator throw on landing making it flip on its back.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Thanks the only casualty was the nose gear. Everything else was undamaged.

[@ficosk8]

Nice @@gooniac33 ! I have learned some lessons from your live (after) too :D

[@camtran4765]

LEDs and afterburner looked great in that sky! I think gyro would safe that crash. Sorry for the crash.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I will be using the gyro to land from now on.

[@Zek1701]

@@FatGuyFliesRC will the gyro prevent tip stall if going too slow landing? Maybe be try self-level but it can only do so much.

[@FlyingKiltman]

Happens to all of us and it was a good flight in windy conditions! This bird needs consistent speed on turns and landings as it will give you a subtle warning that will pretty much look like around 02:52 does - that's its stall warning right before it drops the wing and loses altitude fast. Luckily this plane has a LOT of power so if you catch it you can go full military power and usually punch through it. For those watching and not as experienced as FatGuyFliesRc - Gyro is your friend with this plane - use it - it was designed for it and will make your landings so much less knee shaking!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well once I get the new nose gear installed the self level gyro is all I will use for landings from now on!

[@FlyingKiltman]

@@FatGuyFliesRC I really appreciate you showing us the not so good flights along with your picture perfect ones. Flying is crashing , learning, and repairing! The reason we have so many planes is we need something else to fly while repairing the busted ones =)

[@ricardopr54]

I don't think you were coming in too slow. Something else caused the plane to bank the way it did. A wind gust, maybe? Sorry for your mishap, my friend. 👍🏾👍🏾 Thumbs-up for your video. 👍🏾👍🏾 Have a great day! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 🌵 👍🏾👍🏾😊🇵🇷 Like#44

[@SafetyThirdRC]

State 48. Greetings from red rock country.

[@fredmdbud]

It was the flare. If he maintained the nose angle and just lowered (not chopped) the throttle, it would have touched down just fine. Instead the flare caused the lift to increase, and the angle-of-attack at that speed (which was dropping with no throttle change) initiated a stall ...

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I flared to early and had the cg to far back.

[@davidhutchins7925]

Thanks for keeping it real! One of the parts of this hobby, expensive and gut-wrenching sometimes. That is why my Freewing PJ50 is now Air Force 2. Post crash repaint! Peace from California!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Thanks so much. it is a real reality in this hobby.

[@robsrc2018]

I've watched this video 3 or four times! It did not look like you were coming in too slow what so ever! As a matter of fact, it looked like it was coming in quite fast! Making me think twice about ordering it! Happy to see the damage was minimal!!!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Went threw her. Just a front nose gear is all already ordered. Thanks!

[@georgehopper4535]

@@FatGuyFliesRC Right vertical stab is pushed inward. Unless it's a camera thing. Better take a closer look.

[@georgehopper4535]

Watch minute 2:50-2:55. Textbook low speed stall warning. If you had a good spotter he or she would have been yelling stall stall stall. Go around. A pre stall is so much easer to react to when your not the one flying it. Most scale jets require higher speed greased landings. Especially in high wind. The wind had a big roll in the sudden drop in air speed. Don't be afraid to fly a scale jet. Practice high speed landing on your sim. and punch out/go around if you see the telltale wing waggle. Also set your c.g. to the nose heavy end of the spec. in high wind. Neutral c.g. in light to no wind.

[@memcrew1]

@@georgehopper4535 No my guy.

[@andystoybox1723]

Order the bigger one .. twin 80 it lands better than this new one .. this is like the 5th crash I have seen ..

[@ficosk8]

Super flight and I hope to see her soon :)

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Just as soon as the new nose gear arrives.

[@ficosk8]

@@FatGuyFliesRC ok! Electric landing Gears are somehow special and delicate. I tried to repair one but a minuscular plastic endpoint was missing so installed it didn’t worked

[@rungy8214]

Hahahaha !! Wow, that was a jaw dropper! I cannot believe how fast and hard that bird dropped her wing. All you did was pitch up 15 degrees and then BLAMMO! The F14 has the widest wingspan to length ratio. when it yaws to the right, the right wing loses almost all of its lift (because the edge is no longer facing forward) A lot of peeps land with the wings swept back about halfway so they can land with more alpha. The actual F14 has speed brakes at the very back of the aircraft that keep the nose pointed forward (can't flat spin with those deployed)

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I might try landing her next with the wings half way back.

[@Royshanger]

Tons of EXPO. People think it's bad. It helps so much.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Nothing wrong with using expo.

[@hamiltonshangar]

Agreed. Expo is your friend, the more you run the smoother she flies

[@robertnijhuis15]

This has nothing to do with EXPO, this was a tip stall. You should not fly a jet as a prop plane, which also means that your exposure should not be more than 20%. I bring in my F 14 with 40% throttle. A nice guideline can be seen in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q57Vl42moJ6mp6M

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

@@robertnijhuis15 I agree that you CANNOT fly a EDF like a prop job that is why I never do. However I do not have the luxury of a long rollout. my runway is only 210 feet long. And the grass humps at the end of the runway are bad about killing retracts.

[@Bill14886]

After watching a few videos of this same Jet flown by many experienced pilots like you, flying more jets then you can count on your fingers 👉... Let me to the conclusion that this jet can not be flared to early and certainly not flown without a gyro. Needs to come in under power , nose level and not flared until wheels are just about touching the runway. Flies on a rail , very locked in but equally touchy. Thanks for sharing. It might save a few owners of this bird a hard lesson in a dirt bath. Sorry to see you get bit like that. 😢

[@georgehopper4535]

I made this mistake for at least a decade before I figured out the cause. Sum, if not all jets stall with to much elevator throw. Test it out up high. Keep it up high so you have time to recover. Once it stops stalling, record that elv. setting and mechanically set your max throw. 100% setting on radio.

[@TwoBrosRC]

@@georgehopper4535 That's unfortunately not going to fix the stall seen here. The jet will stall earlier at lower speeds at a given angle of attack. Electrically preventing the stabs from moving to an arbitrary point doesn't stop that from happening.

[@Zek1701]

It would be great if there was a settable stall warning alarm for rc jets.

[@KnifeEdgeCrash]

I would be doing some high altitude slow flight testing with flaps in various positions too.

[@notbadgerbutrich]

Apparently when the flaps are deployed the elevators don’t work

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well when the new nose gear arrive I am starting over will use the onboard gyro and the fuse cg not the wing cg.and higher test lands also. See where she stalls.

[@RMC50126]

I understand why you say to land it with speed, especially with this one. At least it’s repairable and o look forward to seeing this bird back up in the air!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

As soon as the nose gear arrives.

[@superdon1chw]

There is value in failure because you learned something

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Always learn more from a crash. That's why I show them.

[@mikehench8209]

I really didn’t think you were too slow. It looked about right to me. I’ve never flown an f14 tho. I have all the other jets but the 14 makes me nervous for some reason!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

[@SafetyThirdRC]

Something I learned from another channel. There are two cg points on this jet. The one marked on the wing and one on the fuselage. Trust the fuselage marks. Recheck stabilater neutral.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Yep when the nose gear arrives I am starting over.

[@rafaeltorres2886]

Wow, you're blessed.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Yes I am! Thanks!

[@tughillrc6327]

Takes a real man to admit mistakes. I feel you were fast enough not to stall/drop a wind but its a split second thing. I am sorry to see the crash but you are not the first to crash the FW F-14A Twin 64 and I am sure you will not be the last. Good video and hope you get it repaired soon.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by! Only damage was the nose gear.

[@hamiltonshangar]

Sorry to see that man! She was flying nice too! Nice job on the burner. You can click the button once to have them off if you wanted when you are at idle throttle. Yes tomcats need speed they are thirsty for it, I think the flaps work in the favor cause we can overpower easily with no floss and how much she glides. Just from my experience. We have another Tomcat to Maiden

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Thanks did you and your camera lady buy the ARF pro and transfer the power system over?

[@hamiltonshangar]

@@FatGuyFliesRC Motion came through and sent us a new model! 🫡

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

@@hamiltonshangar WOW that is awesome!!!

[@rudolfarenstorff3326]

Sorry for your lost !

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well after all is done it was only the front gear that was too damaged to repair. New gear on the way.

[@RARenfield]

Dipped hard right, just like your maiden landing. But the stall occurred high enough to do damage this time. Still tail heavy?

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I will be redoing her when my new nose gear arrives.

[@RCThis]

How and what are you using go read speed and height???

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

This and it works spot on and VERY reliable. GNSS performance analyzer: www.amazon.com/dp/B0849Y4CHF?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

[@victorrcjets7660]

I can't really add much to it.Just keep your nose down keep your speed up only flare on the end. A little down trim on your landing flap For a better sink rate😊

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Thanks for the tips!

[@garyrussell7076]

This jet has a lot of problems. Freewing needs to make v2 soon and get this v1 off the market.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I agree completely.

[@mckaylundtuttle7962]

Maybe the gyro could of helped a bit with that? Why leave it off?

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I let pride dictate my actions...stupid of me.

[@Mikeylikesit1968]

You should try landing with safe mode part on freewing gyro.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I will next time for sure.

[@simons6208]

What an Amazing Jet 😢

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

It will be again when I get the new nose gear.

[@capnhardway]

I see you had your ABs on full for landing lol😂 kidding, glad it wasn't bad, cracked my Valiant yesterday, also Landing 😂

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Thanks for the look see.

[@ojeezrc]

Damn that was a really nice bird 🔥 still a good flight 💪🏽

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Only need a new nose gear. Order and waiting.

[@robc5296]

I always watch your videos on a big screen TV- But too lazy to comment there- LOL

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Thanks for stopping by .

[@braddarnell2498]

I do this as well. I have to go to phone to comment

[@robc5296]

@@braddarnell2498 I comment next time on laptop. Didn't set up the phone thing either- LOL

[@notoo7]

Oh man, sorry that happened.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

i flared to early

[@JakeBullit123]

Looked like wind shear???

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by! Only damage was the nose gear.

[@williamhammond3998]

Honestly, what could you have done better? Maybe use flaps, to lower stall speed I guess. However, the approach was good and the nose attitude was within reason. That was just a nasty unexpected tip stall. I have this airplane as well and have had to punch out of quite a few stalls on landing so far, but that was by far the most abrupt tip stall I’ve seen out of the tomcat. I really have to make a conscious effort to land this airplane differently than my other edfs.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

[@williamhammond3998]

@@FatGuyFliesRC It happens lol. I’ve crashed more airplanes than I care to admit.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

@@williamhammond3998 Well it happens and it will happen again!

[@DronemanJoeRc]

Idk what happen there, ive checked my wing push rods several times bc i keep hearing if there not on tight they come off, but i have no idea what caused that crash, but atleast its fixable. Ugh

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by! In the repair assessment I secured them down with tiny washers.

[@DronemanJoeRc]

@@FatGuyFliesRC yeah thats what im hearing about this bird land no flaps and flare just slighly off the ground. Ive see alot of crashes and it makes me skeptical to fly it bc it would kill me to crash it. $$$ down the drain. I took it out for a taxi test and it looks awesome just rolling it around the groud..lol

[@RichieRich980215]

Not bad if that was the only damage Greg! Keep us posted. 😢

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Will be doing a follow up post mortem vide

[@braddarnell2498]

Definitely the early flare, tough plane to fly it seems.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

[@braddarnell2498]

@@FatGuyFliesRCIt happens to us all sometimes

[@capnhardway]

Sorry, I feel your pain!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Yes but I learned from it. So not a total loss.

[@gooniac33]

Sucks to see it go down like that... this has less to do with the speed and more to do with CG, elevator throw and the most important part with a plane like this which is use the throttle to control altitude and elevator to control attitude. With a plane like this you don't use the elevator to control the sink rate because when you do you get this as a result. Fly it to the ground and you will be fine.

[@notbadgerbutrich]

You’re an expert at this, would you land that jet without flaps ???

[@gooniac33]

@@notbadgerbutrich I wont enable flaps on mine. Too many things can go wrong and from what I have seen most of the issues come from using them. My maiden is this weekend... so we shall see

[@notbadgerbutrich]

Oh that’s nuts, I fly in the UK (mud runways) and generally use flaps, it’s a bit disappointing if the thing that makes landings better causes that model to crash. I’ll look forward to your video

[@gooniac33]

@@notbadgerbutrich to date all flights I have seen are pilot error... no mechanical failures

[@notbadgerbutrich]

Okay cool What negative effects do the flaps have?? Cofg movement or something else ??

[@eqrc7587]

Fly and learn Big Guy….😕👍🏻✌🏻🖖🏻

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Name of the game.

[@notbadgerbutrich]

Umm were landing flaps deployed???

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

No I have not yet used the flaps.

[@notbadgerbutrich]

So flaps are scary on an edf and will cause a stall at high bank angles. I only go passed 1/4 flaps when lined up with the runway. You’ve done well to get to this level and only 20% will get here but landing with no flaps at all will hurt

[@robertjohnson5776]

Yup big mistake leaving gyro off for landing. I use for takeoffs too... she does not need a gyro, famous last words maybe?😂

[@dalebrown6460]

Was not to slow and the wing did not drop. Something forced it to roll. Maybe an elevator servo came lose and when you tried to flare it rolled it. Nice plane and you're an excellent pilot. I truly believe it was mechanical! Love the burner you put in.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I think I flared to soon. Everything was solid only the nose gear bought it. Also I have never flown this type of configuration.

[@user-cc3cq7xi6p]

That wasn’t too slow, this is not the first video posted with similar consequences.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by!

[@SafetyThirdRC]

The time spent was better than being at work.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

True but not making money here just the opposite but still better than work.

[@carlwill5009]

Easy repair.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Only a new front gear needed.

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

How the heck this happened!! You was landing it perfectly. Man I don’t like these ultra fighter jets. Their flight characteristics make no sense and go against physics! Sorry to see it happening. Was it an over correction or motor torque?

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well it was not the gyro since I had it switched off. On the maiden It did the same thing at the same spot but i recovered. No idea other than just dropped a wing.

[@geofkane2365]

A great looking plane. A very honest and enjoyable commentary by your good self. Hope shes up and flying soon.

[@porkchop41]

@@FatGuyFliesRC I don't understand your refusal to use the gyro! It's your friend! If it's available, use it for takeoffs, landings and flight (all the time)!

[@memcrew1]

@@FatGuyFliesRCif it happened in the same spot previously, then I would suspect a signal issue.

[@Holyganker]

Looked like wind gust. Using gyro would probably have made it recoverable.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I will use the selflevel gyro for landing her from now on.

[@cecilbell6799]

It didn't look to slow to me.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I flared to soon

[@KnifeEdgeCrash]

You did not deploy flaps. I rewatched the video.... you only deployed the landing gear. I don't know how the flaps affect the stall on this airplane, but generally speaking flaps deployment means lower speeds for landing.... watch the video..... I'm quite sure I have this one figured out. Landing checklist????? That is what the big boys do. Add the landing checklist and have the radio call it out.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Yeah I never deployed flaps on either flight to windy.

[@FlankerTanker]

Ummm that gyro..... maybe that's why they installed it......

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Yea I let pride dictate my actions and well you saw the results...lol

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I know how you feel about being monetized but i believe you bring so much to the hobby. You deserve a little financial help with all these planes. We both know the cost of the planes are just the tip of the iceberg in what we have to invest to keep these channels going.

[@FlankerTanker]

@@FatGuyFliesRC kind of you to say , but when I started youtube, many moons ago LOL... I said to myself this is just for fun and I will never seek any form of compensation for my hobby/efforts - I have been and continue to be privileged to have had great jobs that pay well, compared to many, I also have a rather large stock of aircraft still new in box's - I can call upon as and when I need - I also do sell off some of my less flown, less wanted aircraft on consignment with my model shop - the funds I get from those sales stays with the shop and I get 100% of it when I buy items, this helps fund items such as RXs, Batteries, and the odd RC new release. I appreciate your message, Cheers Martyn

[@speedtwin5t]

My F14 did/ does the same thing on landing. You were not going too slow .There is a flaw in the design of the plane or the gyro. So don't feel bad . The plane is not fun to fly, good for display only. This plane is the lemon of the Freewing brand. A $ 499 piece of junk. IMO. Just go to the spare parts section for this plane and see whats " sold out".

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well i will stay with it until either it is not fixable or it flies great but I will keep trying.

[@aketza7395]

This is not the first crash I see with this same aircraft....

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

She has a learning curve for sure.

[@MAGApepe]

bummer... soon as it drops a wing,,, dont use roll,,, use rudder

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

yep that was a bit sudden.

[@simonpells7405]

Didn’t look like you were to slow to me!!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I flared to soon and to much.

[@darrenoliverio7259]

not a stall, either you bumped the aileron, or you have a wonky servo

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

[@olliedellmar7036]

If you had safe on, tthat might not have happened.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

[@timothygould3542]

I have a feeling that this is going to be repeated by many flyers.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I will try again later today got her all back together.

[@Royshanger]

Don't crash that 1. It's too hard to fix.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I got lucky this time.

[@JDDupuy]

Coming in fine then the nose pitched up and then a roll to the right. I'm sorry but I have seen more EDFs picked up in a large trash bag at the field than I can count. Whole different flying approach must be applied and they can be unforgiving. And everything in the setup has to be within a small tolerance. Expensive investment!

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Very true but the fun factor is so high I find it worth it.

[@ulrikhansen7940]

Pilot Error....

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

[@ulrikhansen7940]

@@FatGuyFliesRC We have all been there. Brain freeze for a split second or poor light conditions, and we can end up with a shorter plane than we started out with.....

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

@@ulrikhansen7940 LOL well I had my head up my butt. She will fly again VERY soon!

[@kenkingsflyingmachines2382]

But what happens if you get too slow?😂😂😂

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

LOL more of the same.

[@rungy8214]

18mph is the stall speed for this aircraft. From Tom Hunt's twin 64mm F14 testing kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYjagayFibODfKs

[@richardsmith9696]

In the above video, all stall are too the right. All the crashes and tip stall on other videos are to the right. Makes me wonder if there is a difference of washout between both wings. Maybe the wing mounting fixture is off so the right wing has a higher incidence tban the left.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Good to know thanks.

[@robertgibbons5481]

When are you taking her up again?

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

@@robertgibbons5481 My next possible day will be next Tuesday the 16th. Weather permitting.

[@KillerKev1961]

Guys have been crashing these left and right.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well the more I learn about her the more I see that. it is a tricky bird to fly.

[@KillerKev1961]

I see that. In defense of the model(s)they ALL eventually crash. @@FatGuyFliesRC

[@Royshanger]

I have done that a dozen times dude, too much ground effect and too slow.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

I think I flared to much to soon.

[@Royshanger]

@FatGuyFliesRC I fly my props where there's a lot of obstacles. I end up hitting things occasionally. I normally land my jet with speed, I really don't flair much. I do have a 550' runway, though. I have learned to fly them at an airpark. I consentrate on keeping them low and level on the final approach.

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

​@@Royshangerunxerstandable

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

​@@Royshangermy airstrip is 210 ft so no room for a very long runout.

[@Royshanger]

@@FatGuyFliesRC I know it's like landing on a aircraft Carrier. Lol

[@darrenoliverio7259]

maybe a full field check of all systems before you fly??? I dont know

[@FatGuyFliesRC]

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.