Freeze Dryer Vacuum Pump Comparison (Oil Less, Premier, Standard) -- HARVESTRIGHT

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@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
There are so many variables in choosing the right pump for your situation. I hope that I was able to answer any questions you may have in purchasing the correct pump.
@ragusaf
@ragusaf 3 жыл бұрын
Goood video. i was hoping to see a review of their new oilless pump. hopefully you get one of those soon :-)
@Clbind
@Clbind 3 жыл бұрын
When you said you had two of the premier pump is that because it didn’t last?
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
@@Clbind No. I have a premier pump for each of my freeze dryers
@jimsember3528
@jimsember3528 3 жыл бұрын
I called Harvest Right to ask them about the life of each pump. Spencer told me that, on an equivalent use basis, the oil-less pump would need that $350 rebuild every 2 years. That is because without oil lubrication, the pump elements wear out faster. The standard pump would last about 5 years and the Premier would last 7+. He also told me that he used to work in their service group and the Premier pumps had far fewer issues. This nailed it for me. I ordered mine with the Premier pump.
@Elev8minh
@Elev8minh 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for this valuable information you provided!!!
@keithhogan6997
@keithhogan6997 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The cost of the rebuild and approx expected interval between services was sorely lacking in the comparison. I do my own fluid services on my personal vehicles & equipment so doing it on the pump wouldn't be foreign. And to be quite honest with YT it is so so simple to learn. I will be going with the Premier as well. Thank you again!
@BobBob-il2ku
@BobBob-il2ku 3 жыл бұрын
Like most things it seems like the middle Of the road is where the value is ie the premier pump
@pokerstar81
@pokerstar81 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I may go with oil but I like the no oil changes
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 3 жыл бұрын
but how much oil? And at what cost?
@airlar4857
@airlar4857 3 жыл бұрын
Good news: you don't have to remind yourself to change the oil on the newer units... newer firmware seems to have a timer and prompts oil changes for each of the various pumps 👍
@bennierocks5408
@bennierocks5408 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video on how to do the oil changes on the two pumps?
@dsbennett
@dsbennett 3 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who is a Research & Development engineer. He works with all sorts of equipment, including vacuum pumps. He came over to see my medium freeze-dryer and Premier pump. He couldn't believe the pump was running because it had about the same level noise as the freeze dryer. He was accustomed to vacuum pumps being extremely loud. I'm running my 10th load right now and the oil looks crystal clear. HINT: Before buying any complex item, you can download the owner's manual online and see what you will be faced with if you buy it. That's why I went for the Premier pump over the others. Changing/filtering the oil is easy and fast and you'll probably have to do it around once a month. No big deal.
@zita-lein
@zita-lein 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't bought my freeze dryer yet, so this video, like many others, is like gold. Thanks so much!
@rustynail10
@rustynail10 2 жыл бұрын
Ma'am please call HR ask about the WARRANTY what is covered and will a service men come to YOUR HOME for repairs. I hope your handy because YOU ARE THE SERVICEMAN. Tech support will diagnose the issue but YOU have to make the repairs. It's not all bad but your 3 year warranty only covers tech support and MAYBE some parts ! Do due diligence and ASK lots of Questions.
@joemugly
@joemugly Жыл бұрын
@@rustynail10 it’s not a 3 year warranty, it’s only a one year warranty. And, DONT BUY HARVEST RIGHT!! They always break and the company does nothing to repair the machine
@lindapeterson3483
@lindapeterson3483 3 жыл бұрын
When I was ordering my FD in March, I asked about the maintenance on the oil less pump and HR told me they recommend the pump be sent back to the company every 2-3 years to replace bearings and some other things. The cost of the maintenance is $350, plus I assume I’d have to pay for shipping both ways. Since I don’t have another pump, I’d be without for who-knows-how-long? I was going to order the oil less, but after that conversation I opted for the Premier and am very happy with it.
@MaN-pw1bn
@MaN-pw1bn 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to order the oilless, but the rep recommended the premium...
@kellyhamilton460
@kellyhamilton460 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing you info from the rep! I have decided when I buy mine, I will get the premier.
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 3 жыл бұрын
did you get the oil 3/4 horse premier, or the apparent new 1/2 horse premier?
@lindapeterson3483
@lindapeterson3483 3 жыл бұрын
@@bevs9995 I can’t tell you. Whatever they had In March this year.
@rustynail10
@rustynail10 2 жыл бұрын
I have heard of issues with the Premier as well, my cousin ran 1 cycle and the pump LOCKED UP . The dryer and the pump are in Ut. Last I knew it's been there OVER A MONTH. All this on the very first batch.
@shadowmist1246
@shadowmist1246 3 жыл бұрын
Suggestion for future video: You've several times hinted that commercial operations may require oil-less pumps. This begs the question: Why? Is there a risk to the food with oil pumps?
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 3 жыл бұрын
Im wondering the same. The commercial ones are bigger, maybe not enough power in the smaller pumps ?
@jimmyart3446
@jimmyart3446 3 жыл бұрын
I was looking for explanation of fog premier pump makes. At first I was shocked with amount of fog or mist in my garage. I thought, one day my garage will blow-up. Now I know, it's not a oil fog, but water... Thank you excellent video
@airlar4857
@airlar4857 3 жыл бұрын
I had the same issue with fog - the HR tech i spoke with suggested it was oil, but that it was harmless. In either case it's not going to explode 😂
@bbrnkyle74
@bbrnkyle74 3 жыл бұрын
Make sure you don't overfill the pump. If it's above half while running it will generate more (fog). I generally fill to half, start pump, and top off to just below half as the oil level will drop at startup. Hope this helps.
@keithhogan6997
@keithhogan6997 3 жыл бұрын
While I haven't bought one yet I don't see why I can't get the "fog" to be directed into a DIY filter chamber to eliminate it as much as possible, if not be able to get it to exhaust to the outside environment.
@tomup
@tomup 3 жыл бұрын
What is the cost of the oil? What type of oil is used with this unit? Besides the oil, what other items are needed to change the oil? What is the volume of oil needed for each oil change?
@flossiesmommydoggo77
@flossiesmommydoggo77 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Because of your review & others’ comments, I called the company & swapped out my incoming order w/an oil-free pump for the premier pump. I definitely want a pump that lasts longer…& will look for a refurbished one as a back-up, in case the situation is ever such that we won’t be able to get our pump refurbished. 👏🏼
@Jimbojam
@Jimbojam 3 жыл бұрын
I have the oil-free pump and have used it for months and mine has never spewed anything out of the check valve, ever. I got mine for $1000 on ebay, by the way and I absolutely love not having to deal with any oil changes whatsoever.
@laurajanyoung3187
@laurajanyoung3187 3 жыл бұрын
I am leaning toward the oil-free pump. Does it heat up the room like he said? Are there any cons to using the oil-free pump for you so far?
@wd1501
@wd1501 3 жыл бұрын
@@laurajanyoung3187 Yes, it heats up the room alot --- I was running 4 of them in the late fall to early winter and really didn't need to turn my heat on until late December.
@wd1501
@wd1501 3 жыл бұрын
How heavy are your loads. Every one of my upright oil less pumps have spit out this black gunk,
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 3 жыл бұрын
If the oil-free one heats up the room, does that mean it uses way more electricity?
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 3 жыл бұрын
@@wd1501 If the oil-free one heats up the room, does that mean it uses way more electricity?
@frankfrank5821
@frankfrank5821 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if the quality is still the same or if drying times will be longer but the new premier pump is now 1/2 HP compared to the older premier pump that was 3/4 HP if anyone has input please chime in so others can decide which way is better to go on pump choices
@egomaniac8510
@egomaniac8510 Жыл бұрын
I am so grateful to all you who posted videos and comments on this pump. I am considering getting into the game and had planned on the oilless. The premier just outshines in all areas. For $700-900 difference. That is a stand up freezer and a bunch of trays and accessories.
@codyzimmerman2582
@codyzimmerman2582 9 ай бұрын
There is actually one noticeable difference. Vapor/molecule contamination from pump. Oil free doesn't have that problem.
@Shmaybe
@Shmaybe 3 жыл бұрын
When doing the same type of batch is there much of a difference in time to complete per pump?
@annmccormick2983
@annmccormick2983 2 жыл бұрын
That is the question I am wondering/asking.
@shadowmist1246
@shadowmist1246 3 жыл бұрын
Great job. Most of the info did not come as a huge surprise except for: I was surprised to learn that the cheapest pump was the quickest to get under pressure --- and that the oil-less took the longest.
@airlar4857
@airlar4857 3 жыл бұрын
Difference in speed to reach vacuum pressure is virtually irrelevant when you consider the average time to run a batch is 24 hours or more. I'd think the base pump is best for folks with a limited budget, premier has the best longevity/reliability with minimal maintenance (this according to the Harvest Right techs i spoke with). IMHO I wouldn't get an oil free pump without a backup pump - the rebuilds aren't cheap either
@kishahillhouse9059
@kishahillhouse9059 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE my premier pump and will be ordering a second for backup.
@relaxation2380
@relaxation2380 3 жыл бұрын
I love mine too but it better last for a few years cause I'm not planning on buying a second for a while
@masonguetter7273
@masonguetter7273 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know the cost to replace this pump.
@relaxation2380
@relaxation2380 3 жыл бұрын
@@masonguetter7273 like $600
@keithhogan6997
@keithhogan6997 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Jim Sember's comment about service interval and cost
@paparomesoutdoors711
@paparomesoutdoors711 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think these can run in and uninsulated garage during the middle of winter or will that condensation freeze up on them and cause problems
@BellofattoBrews
@BellofattoBrews 3 жыл бұрын
I recently picked up the low profile oil less pump and love it. Glad I finally got around to purchasing one.
@5150norcal
@5150norcal 2 жыл бұрын
Are the warranties any different between the 3 pumps?
@eviebays
@eviebays 3 жыл бұрын
first of all thank you for all your research and video's. I have learned tons. so, I messed up my standard pump, after only 31 loads. and needed a new one. did lots of research and decided to bite the Bullitt , on the premier pump also. when I went to the Harvest right web sight, I couldn't find the stile you have. but the one they had, had a different face and the description was the same. I found no other specs on it. I wondered if it was still 7 cfm and 3/4 hp. it looked smaller. did extensive search, and even called the office where you order. asking why the body had changed. but of course had to wait for the teck help to call. got impatient and ordered the one on the accessories list. thinking must be the same with the same description , also no other option . anyway. when it arrived, I was shocked to find it was ONLY 5 CFM AND 1/2 HP. so I called again. did not wont this smaller pump for the same price of the 7CFM . why was the price the same. and why no details about the lower cubic feet per inch. and HP. again, the sales office knew nothing about the 5 cfm pump. and transferred me to a teck again. and they gave me a message, they would get to me in 24 hours. i have been weighting a week, for the first thing on the old pump. just a heads up, this primer pump is not the same power as the original. it is much slower drawing air . just not happy at all. now it is a 3 day Holliday, of course. have wasted so much time and $$$ I am hopeful, of fixing all this. but now, I'm not happy should have just got another standard pump. almost 3 times cheaper and pulls more air is a much shorter time
@thereloaderscloset9096
@thereloaderscloset9096 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know who makes the Premier pump? I would pay the extra money to get a better oil pump. We still have the original J-B pump and it leaks a lot.
@mikeklingler9659
@mikeklingler9659 2 жыл бұрын
The new premier pump is not the same as the original premier pump. They have gone to a cheaper model but still sell it as the “premier pump”. I have the original Premier Pump, it is great. I’ve had it over two years and it’s still going strong. My friend bought a freeze dryer and purchased the “Premier Pump” with his freeze dryer. He got the new style pump, it worked fine for several batches, then he had problems 3 months into his purchase. Turns out his not so “premier pump“ had failed. He got a replacement. The new one was bad out of the box. He got another replacement it was bad out of the box as well. After several weeks, he is still trying to get a resolution. In testing, we attached my Premier Pump to his freeze dryer and it works great. The local store he bought his unit from, who has been very helpful and supportive, I might add, said he has had many of the new style pumps not work, right out of the box. He is currently working with HarvestRight to get a solution for all of these folks who have got the newer, not so premier pump, but paid for the premier pump. They are down, while they figure out a solution. HarvestRight is really losing its reputation. They are growing much faster in sales than in support and in their ability to test new product before they start selling them. Their support was so good when I bought mine. Now they seem to be in a support tail spin. So sad! I hope they survive the growth!
@timwatson1544
@timwatson1544 10 ай бұрын
Do any other companies sell home freeze dryers?
@johnburgin7478
@johnburgin7478 3 жыл бұрын
Was curious about the noise . Thanks
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@HumperMKB
@HumperMKB 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bryan, very informative video, thanks for sharing. You mentioned the mid tier pump would put out water vapour to the room during the process of separating water from the oil. I supposed the entry tier pump isn’t capable of water separation, so no smoke show. How about the oil free pump ?
@normaneudorf3251
@normaneudorf3251 3 жыл бұрын
How do you fix the misting problem with the premier pump? I have to keep the area clean
@monana8706
@monana8706 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great comparison! We have the standard pump and are happy with the sound level. It really doesn't seem to be unbearable. With the door open, we still don't hear it upstairs.
@MaN-pw1bn
@MaN-pw1bn 3 жыл бұрын
I got the premium and it's really quiet. I was afraid I was going to have to leave the door closed which would restrict air flow for cooling & I didn't have to.
@NarrowRoadAdventures
@NarrowRoadAdventures 3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your videos. Very informative for helping us make purchase decisions and feel more confident about this new venture. We just ordered our freezer dryer and can’t wait to receive it. It was a $295 upgrade over the standard and felt it was an easy decision to go with. Now, we just have to wait for 5 weeks 😬 Thanks! Subscribed 👍
@CreatedbyMoonlight
@CreatedbyMoonlight 3 жыл бұрын
We’re looking to buy a freeze dryer and this video made my mind up about which pump. Thank you
@burtongolden7813
@burtongolden7813 3 жыл бұрын
I have the oil less pump and I’ve noticed it is very loud!! Noticed that some Facebook post recommend the pump be elevated higher than the hose connector on dryer. This is to prevent water vapor build up in pump. May I have your suggestions?
@archaprice3372
@archaprice3372 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, you’ve given great information in my decision to buy a freeze dryer.
@sharonsimpson9288
@sharonsimpson9288 2 жыл бұрын
Are there other companies that sells this kind of pump that would work with the FD, I have just been shafted by HR with the warranty,
@gicho2274
@gicho2274 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the large freeze dryer and it came with the standard pump. I got tired of dealing with oil changes and then ordered the oil-less pump. I've been using it for about two years now with no issues. He is right that the pump spits out a blast of black water droplets on startup, but that only seems to happen if the door or drain valve is open. Once you close it all up and start the vacuum, it starts off noisy, but then the noise level drops considerably. The oil-less pump is very strong. Several times I've seen it pull down to under 100 mTorr on my large freeze dryer.
@TheRealBatCave
@TheRealBatCave Жыл бұрын
Doesn't the premier go to 50 mtorr?
@ovidiuniculescu6734
@ovidiuniculescu6734 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy all your videos so much and more than a few times they gave me ideas to try new things in my 2 medium size freeze dryers. Maybe just my bad luck, my oil free pump stopped being able to achieve a proper vacuum after less than 800 hours of use (while my standard $295 oil pump lasted through over a year of heavy use). Given how cumbersome I find to try to send it in, I bought 2 additional old style pumps, this way I have a backup one in the box ready to take over any time...
@learnjcbskidsterchickensga7594
@learnjcbskidsterchickensga7594 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently there are refurbished pumps available on Amazon. Another channel mentioned $130 vs $250 new
@papabear149
@papabear149 2 жыл бұрын
I have the oil free pump and I thought they were exaggerating the noise and heat it generates. Really loud and runs hot. I wonder if it uses more power.
@Red_Proton
@Red_Proton 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you can put the oil-less pump in 3M Novec immersion cooling fluid. It's non-conductive, used in data centers, and utilizes phase-change cooling technology (so it's incredibly effective).
@llionman126
@llionman126 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tested this cooling method? If so please share your experience/results. Thank you!
@Red_Proton
@Red_Proton 2 жыл бұрын
@@llionman126 I have not used this cooling method. Sorry. It was an idea that I shared with the content creator.
@richgetz
@richgetz 3 жыл бұрын
1) why didn't you take the pumps to someone to see what the maintenance would be on them? 2) 16:33 ever 3,000 hours for the oilless. Do the others not require similar maintenance? What is this cost? 3) how much more buying directly from the company. Oh, and what company? Look up similar pumps? Did I miss you stating the manufacturer?
@bbrnkyle74
@bbrnkyle74 3 жыл бұрын
The premier pump is made by Navac. I'm not sure about the oil free pump.
@lyoe20040
@lyoe20040 3 жыл бұрын
How do you keep your freeze dryer when it's not in use? Do you prop the door open or keep it shut?
@raspillade6027
@raspillade6027 3 жыл бұрын
Get the lime green one. Works great
@phyrewillow6463
@phyrewillow6463 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! We were just trying to decide which pump to get. Thanks for the detailed review!
@laurajanyoung3187
@laurajanyoung3187 3 жыл бұрын
I am also trying to decide on which pump. Which one have you decided to get?
@phyrewillow6463
@phyrewillow6463 3 жыл бұрын
@@laurajanyoung3187 premier, because of noise and not wanting to deal with frequent refurbishment. And the price
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help! I think you will be happy with the premier
@louislancaster876
@louislancaster876 3 жыл бұрын
This video states that the upgrade from standard to premier pump is $700. Harvest Right website shows the upgrade as $295 with the difference between the medium and large size freeze drier as $700. Which is correct price on the pump. Not that it matters much. We are crunching numbers to project a turn-key price but want to crunch the right numbers.
@ThomasJScharmann
@ThomasJScharmann 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, this review is top notch. Thank-you.
@katiekellogg3771
@katiekellogg3771 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great video and all the info. Does anyone know how the standard and premier pumps compare with regard to heat output? My standard pump really heats up the pantry area I have it in and before I install a ventilation fan, I'd like to know if I can fix the problem by going with the premier pump instead.
@claudeperrault4164
@claudeperrault4164 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video! Well done! Which pump is your favourite pump and/or which one would you recommend? Thanks!
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity Жыл бұрын
I like the premier overall
@AdmiralPreparedness
@AdmiralPreparedness 3 жыл бұрын
The surface the pump sits on can cause more sound due to the structure. A hollow cavity below it can amplify the sound Placing a rubber matt under the pump can dampen the sound. transmission.
@MaN-pw1bn
@MaN-pw1bn 3 жыл бұрын
Would the rubber burn due to the temperature that the pump gets to??
@EnFuegoDuo
@EnFuegoDuo 3 жыл бұрын
@@MaN-pw1bn Not if it's vulcanized.
@jessicaSmash
@jessicaSmash 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect! I was just starting to research this. Thank you!
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Great. Hope it helped
@jameshuett2559
@jameshuett2559 3 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this video. Good job. I'm still using the old JB Industries pump.
@juliusceasar8987
@juliusceasar8987 3 жыл бұрын
Is there no cold-trap built in to the dryer, or is it pulling that much water-vapour out in spite of such a device? A comparison of time and energy use for a "standard" batch would be a telling comparison regarding the energy/time requirements.
@confedswede
@confedswede 3 жыл бұрын
The walls of the chamber collect ice, acting as a cold trap.
@jimwoods8998
@jimwoods8998 2 жыл бұрын
Just had our pump die after 2 years, almost to the date. (Last Week) We don't freeze dry constantly but probably use it a little over half the year. We live close enough to Harvest Right to drop it off for fixing. It is costing us $382. Our machine is 5 years old. Don't know if this will make a difference but it has been moved twice to different locations since we bought the pump. Maybe this will help someone in making a decision.
@jimwoods8998
@jimwoods8998 2 жыл бұрын
@NRG Yes.
@DMXGuru
@DMXGuru 2 жыл бұрын
How long did it take for them to get it back to you?
@jimwoods8998
@jimwoods8998 Жыл бұрын
@@DMXGuru We live within 20 minutes of the store. It was fixed in a week so we got it very fast. We haven't had a problem yet but have heard from others that the new pump with oil will last longer.
@JeffWeisser
@JeffWeisser Жыл бұрын
Great videos. I am having an issue with gunk on the sight glass. I have changed the oil and it is almost chunky. Also making excess noise now. Any help like how to take premier pump apart and clean/rebuild would be be helpful.
@mistermunchie1
@mistermunchie1 2 ай бұрын
Once you purchase a gallon of oil, does the new unused oil go bad? Does it have a shelf life?
@lindasimmons3167
@lindasimmons3167 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered the oilless pump with my new freeze dryer but when it arrived they had substituted a different oilless pump without telling me. I’m really not happy. In that the new oilless is shipping with medium and small, I figure it’s not as heavy-duty and when I ordered it was for the bigger oilless. Of course, no refund.
@wd1501
@wd1501 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same, but the upright oil less puts out so much heat, much hotter than the others. You could burn yourself if you touch this pump wrong.
@brynduffy
@brynduffy 2 жыл бұрын
I would have started by comparing their ability to pull a vacuum. Then durability. Cost. Very good video.
@hobonickel840
@hobonickel840 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for all your content... weighing pump and unit size options... how much does oil cost and how much do you use ?
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
Ool.varies on brand, I like robinair. The premier uses around 3/4 qt
@margaretmoon7154
@margaretmoon7154 Жыл бұрын
@@thefreezedryingcommunity you can buy Robinair oil at O'Reillys auto parts. I bought their last quart in stock for $8.99 plus tax and ordered 2 more , It went up to $14.39 each.
@annhuppert7532
@annhuppert7532 3 жыл бұрын
We are considering the premier pump but you mentioned (and I have read on the Facebook feeds) that the premier pump puts out that mist once in a while. Is that mist oily at all? Because this is going to sit in a room that it would be disastrous if it was an oily mist along with the water mist. Thanks! Love your videos!
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
good to know, thanks
@annhuppert7532
@annhuppert7532 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefreezedryingcommunity I do love your videos, but would you answer my question, please. :)
@alexgrau5495
@alexgrau5495 5 ай бұрын
@@thefreezedryingcommunityI dont think you understood their question. Is it dangerous to breathe in that mist? Thank you so much for your informative videos!
@viewer5357
@viewer5357 3 жыл бұрын
Very important to note - the Premier pump in this video is not the same as the Premier they now sell. The one in this video is a 3/4 horse and the one they sell is now a 1/2 horse. There have been a lot of complaints about the new Premier pump.
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 3 жыл бұрын
Dang!!
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 3 жыл бұрын
Theyre probably trying to promote the oil-free one!!
@michelledlt
@michelledlt 2 жыл бұрын
Where do we get the 3/4 horse power pump?
@dandetande288
@dandetande288 Жыл бұрын
For real?
@avibhatt2013
@avibhatt2013 2 жыл бұрын
I fixed the oil mist coming off the Premier pump, I found occasionally a little oil drips out the top near the cap, then burns while the pump is running. My solution was plug a short thick extension cord into back of freeze dryer, then plug the vacuum pump and a cheap Ebay/Kijiji 3M air filter into that. So whenever the pump runs, the 3M air filter runs, I believe cools off the pump and removes 100% of the oil mist. I have a cheap $20 "3M Office Air cleaner", I can cut a regular house furnace filter in half and stick it into the air cleaner.
@lynnmoore8106
@lynnmoore8106 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought a medium dryer. Love your portable cart. Can you share where you got it. I need something heavy enough to hold the dryer
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
I got mine from Harbor freight and buled it up with 3/4 plywood
@ItsEverythingElse
@ItsEverythingElse 3 жыл бұрын
The oil/water mist in the air with this pump is a serious issue, IMO. This happens every batch with mine. And this is in a well ventliated 400 square foot detached garage! I can't see how I could ever run this in the house. There is clearly enough oil in the mist that I can smell it.
@theoldguy9329
@theoldguy9329 3 жыл бұрын
I have what I think is now standard after the J&B (? no longer sold broke down). From the old one I filter after every batch. I change oil every second I cleaning...maybe after 79 loads per cleaning. There is not a lot to clean I presume because the filtering does a good job on the oil. When I filter there is a bit of a lip on the Harvey-like HR filter (now with cotton) where the water and some dirt accumulates and that I pull out with a baster. On "wet" loads I can get 2 ounces of water which I want out of the pump. If the premier is putting this out as an aerosol you will get a good fog. PS. I think on the standard, you get most of the water out if you raise the back of the machine.
@tswag4942
@tswag4942 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered a medium with the premier pump through your affiliate link last week. Now I just have to wait ten weeks...
@Jimbojam
@Jimbojam 3 жыл бұрын
if you live near WA state there is a store there that has them in stock, that's where I got mine
@sv3931
@sv3931 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered 2 weeks ago; got it on Thurs, built the station today. They told me 10 weeks, too. It took two. Arrived in pristine condition. I did not receive the black cover you place before locking down prior to start up. Will call HR Tuesday.
@quiknumberdoornumbers2622
@quiknumberdoornumbers2622 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered ours in November. It came in a box that was clearly beat up. I sent it back. I haven't gotten a replacement yet. Harvest Right says they sent the replacement on the 10th. It is now the 30th. It does make me wonder about Harvest Right.
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
If they shipped the 10th, you should have had it long ago. I usually receive things from them in less than a week. Maybe a call or email?
@Michael-ou9pp
@Michael-ou9pp Жыл бұрын
I live in a townhouse and wanted to get one of these to put in my garage to make candy, but think the pumps might be too much of a noise nuisance for neighbors. Once the pump reaches vacuum, it doesn't need to "top off" during the 24 hour process does it?
@21glenn375
@21glenn375 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the detailed info.
@BridgetMLeach
@BridgetMLeach 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are helpful. Where did you purchase the push cart underneath your freeze dryer?
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
It came from Harbor freight. I would suggest billing it up with some plywood
@clintwhite7369
@clintwhite7369 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video Brian
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@paparomesoutdoors711
@paparomesoutdoors711 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video man
@ichetuknee
@ichetuknee 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad to read @jimsember3528 's comment about the life span of the three types of vacuum pumps. To this, I would add that one could purchase many cases of vacuum pump oil (grade 19 or higher) for the price difference between the premier and the oil-less pump. So, I went with the premier on all three of our large freeze driers. I enthusiastically encourage others to invest in a Harvest Right freeze dryer and use it to pack away as much food as you can before inflation makes it impossible to afford food. Helpful hints: By plugging the vacuum into another outlet, so that it is manually controlled (rather than controlled by the software and the freeze dryer's outlet); you can start the vacuum immediately upon closing the chamber. This begins the water evaporation process immediately, thereby lowering the temperature more rapidly (as evaporating water absorbs heat) and reducing the freeze drying time by several (around 6) hours per load. This works very well with non-liquids on the trays. (I made a big mess with unfrozen pureed bananas, though. The bananas were so liquidy, that they began boiling - all over the chamber.) We pre-freeze our loads in our freezer, in order to reduce the time required to lower the chamber temperature before the drying process can begin. Using extra trays, we process everything a few days in advance, load the trays, and put it in the freezer. Frozen meats, vegetables, fruits, cheeses, etc. all do well. When one load comes out, we bag it, use warm water to rinse out the ice, while cleaning the chamber, and get another load going in less than 30 minutes. Our freeze dryers experience very little down time. Running a vented PVC drain line from each unit to the garden allows for good use of the water, as well as avoiding the need for lugging buckets of drain water. Venting the PVC drain line, with vents pointing upward as water runs downward, prevents water from being sucked back into the chamber upon opening the line.
@kellynightingale
@kellynightingale Жыл бұрын
I was unsure which size and pump I should get. Medium or Large? I was thinking medium just because of the outlet situation. Then premiere pump or oil free? Any additional thoughts you could provide. Also do you get your oil from Harvest Right?
@ichetuknee
@ichetuknee Жыл бұрын
@@kellynightingale My recommendation is to stick with the premier pump. The pump size isn't the issue, inasmuch as we are only trying to reduce chamber pressure to less than 500 micro-Torr. Oil/oilless is the real choice. Again, stick with the oil. Harvest Right specifies any of three brands of approved class 19 oils, in order to avoid voiding of warranty. After the warranty elapses, any brand of class 19 or higher vacuum oil is acceptable. Buy yourself a case or two of oil now, while it is available and cheap. It will be hard to get and considerably more expensive in a few years. You may, but do not need to get the oil from Harvest Right.
@George-oq1eb
@George-oq1eb 3 жыл бұрын
I am wondering what calibration letter and what water percent am I looking for, in the finished freeze dried food product, on the moisture meter?
@jackleduc8841
@jackleduc8841 2 жыл бұрын
Other than harvest right, can you tell me where I can get my oil less pump repaired, preferable where i might try and look locally? It worked for about 15 loads. I bought it brand new.
@pickle_axxis1521
@pickle_axxis1521 6 ай бұрын
what is the comparision of the premier to an air compressor?
@tommac8602
@tommac8602 5 күн бұрын
What's the difference between these pumps and an HVAC vacuum pump?
@alexgrau5495
@alexgrau5495 5 ай бұрын
is that vapor dangerous from the premier? I plan to sleep in the same room.
@Wellness-Wealth-Wisdom
@Wellness-Wealth-Wisdom 10 ай бұрын
Really good stuff. Thx
@mariagomez5135
@mariagomez5135 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video very helpful thank you
@2000freefuel
@2000freefuel 3 жыл бұрын
have you found any benefit to adding insulation behind the door?
@airlar4857
@airlar4857 3 жыл бұрын
HR no longer ships units with the door pad - too many instances of them interfering with the seal. Dollars to donuts the difference is negligible since the door is 3/4" thick...
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Small benefit, not much. I have stopped using one. I will have a video coming out about it next week.
@TFDchief-fk2sc
@TFDchief-fk2sc 3 жыл бұрын
What an awesome informative video! 👍🏼👍🏼
@EarthlyVibes
@EarthlyVibes 3 жыл бұрын
🇨🇦🇺🇸 you are soooo close to 100,000 subs. Thanks for the pump review
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Should get there today or tomorrow!😬
@bigjermanprepared3164
@bigjermanprepared3164 2 жыл бұрын
Does the oil have a shelf life in New condition, meaning how long can I store the oil in new condition. 🤔
@charlottejustesen6375
@charlottejustesen6375 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing us this video
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
You bet
@rickssmokehouse4211
@rickssmokehouse4211 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro I’d like to know the price of the reman on the oil less pump also the down time with reman. Ty God bless
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Down time will vary on demand i suppose. The rebuild as of right now is $350
@keithhogan6997
@keithhogan6997 3 жыл бұрын
Jim Sember commented about speaking to Spencer at HR about the cost and service interval of the oil-less pump, with average use it would be about 2 years. With the Premier pump lasting approx 7+ years, and oil changes being a simple task, it has the best ROI. At least in my opinion.
@wild_child333
@wild_child333 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@26151611
@26151611 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question, would it be ok/ safe to have the freeze dryer in a bedroom ?
@MaN-pw1bn
@MaN-pw1bn 3 жыл бұрын
I suppose you could run it anywhere that fit the criteria, but the constant background noise isn't good for you, if you have carpet, some water could be a problem, will it block egress/ingress routes in the event of an emergency, the heat put off by the pump might be an issue for a small room, you'd also have to run a fan which will just add to the noise, is there a dedicated circuit?? Those would be the first concerns that come to mind.
@bigjermanprepared3164
@bigjermanprepared3164 2 жыл бұрын
Great information thank you.
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@MyTube4Utoo
@MyTube4Utoo 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thank you.
@emartin8907
@emartin8907 3 жыл бұрын
do you think i could run this in an apartment without pissing off my neighbors? I was even looking at rubber anti vibration mats and possible baffling panels..
@flyingpaladin2712
@flyingpaladin2712 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent videos. I have watched many of them. Then I subscribed.
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your support
@traviswomack553
@traviswomack553 2 жыл бұрын
I have the premier pump and it seems to run hot. Is this normal? 155 degrees or so, I can see the oil bubbling in the window. Is this normal? just doing my 4th cycle right now, so really new. Thanks
@carlinbay
@carlinbay Жыл бұрын
I have been using the low profile oil less for 2 years and I am have problems so I am switching it out with the “eagle” oil less and trying to test the vacuum on the functional test. It has been running for 50 min and has only gotten to 1400 mt. Is that normal. Don’t I want it to get to 500 mt?
@JohnMurse
@JohnMurse 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this
@roypase8488
@roypase8488 3 жыл бұрын
Oil recommendations for the premier?
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
Robinair Premium or JB Black gold
@thereloaderscloset9096
@thereloaderscloset9096 3 жыл бұрын
So you keep stating in the vid that if the pump was bought from the original manufacture then it would cost more. Who is the OEM for the green Premier pump? As you read down the comments the new style/module is not the same and they are 1/2 HP and 5CFM. The larger pump would be nice to have. I really enjoy the vids.
@rinab4405
@rinab4405 3 жыл бұрын
Question!!☝️ It's getting to spring harvest time here in North TX. Do I have to defrost EVERY TIME between batches? I do however change oil every batch. I have another batch waiting to be dried.
@charadremur333
@charadremur333 3 жыл бұрын
I believe you only need to change the oil after like I thing 40 batches but don't quote me on that.
@backyardrebuilds4068
@backyardrebuilds4068 2 жыл бұрын
what is a mTor
@PPCCO.
@PPCCO. 3 жыл бұрын
This is the old oil less pump right?
@resourcefulgirl
@resourcefulgirl 2 жыл бұрын
I need your advice. I'm building a home and I'm trying to find the perfect location for my Harvest Right. The Premier Vacuum Pump still sounds too loud for my kitchen and open floor plan. The wall I'm planning on placing the Harvest Right on has the laundry room on the other side. If I put the pump in the laundry and made an opening to pull the hose through and kept the Harvest Right in the kitchen how much quieter would it be?
@PatriotMango
@PatriotMango 3 жыл бұрын
did you say we have to send the oiless in for maintenance every 3k hours?
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
yep!
@47retta
@47retta 3 жыл бұрын
Does the water fog that the premier pump puts out cause the room to start smelling?
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 3 жыл бұрын
No smell that i have noticed
@sandragonsoulindouglas8327
@sandragonsoulindouglas8327 2 жыл бұрын
What are the possible hazards of the oil less pump?
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
It's loud, runs hot and needs a rebuild every 2000-3000 hours
@annabanan5518
@annabanan5518 2 жыл бұрын
Are these pumps interchangeable on the freeze dryers? If I go with the premier and decide to replace it, can I replace it with an oil free pump (and vice versa)?
@makosandburger8668
@makosandburger8668 2 жыл бұрын
yes you can.
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, as long as the pump is made for freeze drying. These pumps shed water from the oil. Not all vacuum pumps are designed to interact with water
@jozy5154
@jozy5154 Жыл бұрын
How long does the pump run? Does it run for hours
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity Жыл бұрын
runs for most of the cycle. 20-30 hours
@jozy5154
@jozy5154 Жыл бұрын
@@thefreezedryingcommunity I live in a apartment, I think it might be too loud for me and neighbors
@silverbackag9790
@silverbackag9790 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why they didn't make the premier pump 110/220 since it uses DC motor. Wouldn't have added much (if any) to the cost.
@Jonathan-px9oz
@Jonathan-px9oz 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saving us $1500+ dollars! Why would I pay more for a little less hassle when the oil free: Is way more expensive, has a shorter lifespan (and/or more upkeep costs), is WAY louder, and uses 50% more electricity?! And takes up more space! Thanks!
@thefreezedryingcommunity
@thefreezedryingcommunity 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@Texas_Radical
@Texas_Radical 2 жыл бұрын
@@thefreezedryingcommunity Glad I did my homework on that one too. Also I spoke to one of the guys at HarvestRight and he told me the Pharmaceutical and lab models are NOT for food. the 8 tray was what I was going to buy but I plan on using mine solely for food so that was a no go.
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