Freight Train Stall on Porcupine Hill - Re Upload.

I've had requests over the years to re upload the original series of this into one video. During a recent hard drive clean up I found the files so decided to put them up as one. I've also included the scenes from earlier in the afternoon before the actual stall.
At the time El Zorro had just started to lease anything and everything they could get their hands on, including these loco's that had been preserved. Up until this point, they would run the occasional passenger special, but putting them back to work hauling revenue freight for the first time in about 10 + years, and also during summer, any mechanical issues became obvious fairly quickly. Failures in the early days of these operations were quite common.
Seymour Rail Heritage Centres S303-B74-T357-T378 on 9062 ELZ grain from Woorinen were already having over heating issues earlier in the afternoon going by the open engine room doors, and later on during the climb up the 1 in 57 ( 1 .75% ) Porcupine Hill, T378 decided it had finally had enough and shut down, leaving S303-B74-T357 to try and get the 28 loaded grain hoppers over the crest on their own.
Needless to say this caused quite a bit of disruption to the regular passenger services to/from Bendigo while this took place. Wed 23/12/09

[@velocityturbosuzuki]

Wow talk about not giving up. I do hate to see these old beautiful locomotives run like this

[@KG84C]

1.04 cat farting "Lush Gigi" !

[@justicelut]

The trick is not to rev the f!.,.ck out of the motors and overheat everything but to gently keep power on as this driver did to defeat the stall. Well done to the train crew!

[@thegeforce6625]

Driver would be watching the ammeter like a hawk hehe

[@thebops4180]

Awesome. Wonder how much driver skill that took and would other drivers have given up?

[@DarkLordSauron100]

"Needless to say this caused quite a bit of disruption to the regular passenger services to/from Bendigo while this took place." Hahaha, single track bites again!

[@peterhearn3297]

Who gets the blame for these train stalls

[@nysw252]

I see railroad mangement in Australia has the same flat earth mentality as in the USA. Since its flat on paper, they can use less power. 😝

[@ThePaulv12]

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Stupid dopey mongoloid kunce that make these harebrained decisions want public rogering with a gourd.

[@vsvnrg3263]

this gets my clip of the month award. and it has the bonus footage. enjoyed, thank you.

[@emd645e3c]

No worries.

[@mathuetax]

Wow, what a sound. Plus the bonus of night time so you can see the wheel slip indicator lighting up the cab of T 357.

[@paulquick8806]

If you would explain, I don't know what wheel slip indicore is?sir

[@mathuetax]

@@paulquick8806 Okie, at 27:02 in the video, locomotive T 357. In the cab you can see a red light (it is on the control stand which you can't see) bathing the interior of the cab that corresponds to the prime-mover being controlled to stop wheelslip. You can hear it as well if you listen to the prime-mover.

[@mathuetax]

@@paulquick8806 It is a light on the control stand of the locomotive. At 27:02 you can see the bright indicator lamp bathing the cab of T 357 in it's red glow.

[@CoolD32]

That’s sounds like an Emd 567. Did not know that that engine was so popular for export.

[@muir8009]

8 and 12 cyl versions were especially popular. 16 cyl less so. A lot of the export market was central and south America, Australasia, and a smattering for some European countries. The non-Euro countries tended to be of many different track gauges, some of which used lighter weight rail, and the lesser cylinder versions were lighter than the 16's. When the SD40's were converted to metre gauge (a shade over 3') they were converted to bolstered quad 4 wheel trucks (so they look like two 8 wheel trucks) to keep the weight down. Stock US standard gauge diesels were actually relatively heavy, for example the contemporary emd F7 and export G12. F7 1500hp 16cyl 118 tons, G12 1425hp 12cyl 78 tons, so keeping the weight down was quite a priority (as a comparison the contemporary SBB AE 6/6 weighed the same as the F7, but had 5,770 hp, the slightly later BLS AE 8/8 at 160 tons and 8,800hp). However the weight figures can be deceptive: train heating boilers weren't present in emd export models, in colder climes separate train heating vans were supplied in the consist, adding extra train weight so almost negating the lighter locomotive weight, although this could occur seasonally, and, of course, weight was spread over a larger footprint (very important to keep the civil engineers happy, which is why sometimes on lighter built lines you'll see runner wagons between double headed locomotives: at critical areas the weight of impact isn't all on one short area.

[@donaldmelvin1258]

Classic EMD sound that little by little is going away. There will never be anything else like the sound of a two-stroke EMD. Wow y'all down under have more graffiti artists than we do up here

[@CoolD32]

Those look like E8 or E9 locos. Didn’t they have 2 prime movers in them. Emd Made a hell of a locomotive for them to be as d as they are still in mainline service.

[@supercuda1950]

Great to hear those EMD's fighting their way.

[@kimjusjong8657]

Wauv Great video off great lokomotives ! Thanks for shearing :-)

[@vsvnrg3263]

the youtube algorithm thought i might be interested in watching this again. it was correct. if there are any drivers in the audience, can you explain why the driver notches up then down to lift the load and why flat out wont lift the load. does this same technique work with any other sort of loco?

[@jimmytechnologies]

Great video thanks for uploading mate

[@joebliss3609]

What's in the covered hoppers, that it stalled 4 engines? Doesn't appear to be that long of a train, that it would even need more motive power?

[@voidjavelin23]

many many grains

[@malcolmcooke2024]

Wheat properly around 1500 tons going up a long gradient near Bendigo recipe for stall out not enough primary power for the weight and track gradient driver does a great job to get up with minimum wheel spin etc

[@railtrolley]

@@malcolmcooke2024 ABout 75 tons for each wagon, if full: 2100tons, and dragging dead T378.

[@callumbinyon723]

That was a risky trip by only having a B, S & two T's. Shame they didn't have X31 or S313, would have got them home. Great video!

[@emd645e3c]

At this point, X31 was still a long way off completion, and I don't think Steamrail had hired anything out at this point. This was about all ELZ could get.

[@peterhearn3297]

I think 40 years ago that train with a S,B and 2 Tclass engines would not have stalled. There is more than 4000 hp with all them locos hooked up.

[@ErickC]

You can actually hear how hot it is at the 2-minute mark. Notice how the locomotives sound muffled until they're in extreme close proximity. On the other end of the spectrum, in 40 below temperatures (Fahrenheit or Centigrade - it doesn't matter, because it's where the scales cross), the amount of treble from even distant sounds can be ear-piercing. Things located several miles away can sound like they're across the street.

[@JohnnyCarroll-wi6tx]

one thing thats very noticable,no wheel slip.

[@ajo3085]

There's wheel slip. You can see the indicator triggering in T357.

[@peterhearn3297]

I will never understand why they ripped up the second track???

[@Wambleeman]

EMD as all ways at that time built some of the world's best Locomotives. These old girls, don't know the me meaning of quit, still going strong after all these decades. Great video, thanks. The E, and F units were some of my favorite engines.

[@class8866]

Wonderful video with the old " EMD Nose Dieselengines".Without sufficient power and sand, a freight train stalls.

[@25vrd48]

I've shoveled a lot of rock and sand to get traction for the old units . Especially behind tie gangs .

[@thegeforce6625]

What camera did you use? Great video quality for 2009.

[@emd645e3c]

This was shot on a Sony HDR-FX1.

[@class8866]

the wheelslip warning light is active on the thrid loco..you see the red shadow in the cab.

[@fredlohmann1448]

I THINK THE WHEELS WERE SLIPPING

[@Skyisnotalimit]

Finally you got some wheelslip on cam... You can barely see it.

[@robturvey2026]

To much weight

[@sandrafowler6717]

I remember many many years ago a EMD Locomotive stalled on the Dandenong line and it held up a Blue Harris passenger train between Springvale and Westall. These Locomotives would not be able to handle going over Skyrail, they're so sluggish, haven't got enough grunt.

[@BMPellogia]

27:02....Is that the wheel slip light turning on?

[@emd645e3c]

Sure is.

[@dragonherman9188]

I think I can I think I can

[@KCSM_1200]

1600mm o 1435mm

[@vsvnrg3263]

1600

[@simons3631]

Great coverage and video Steve!

[@jimmyguitarmanbuzuzi4684]

Wow so the other 3 locomotives couldn't pull normal ?given the fact that it was just one that was down against 3,also how do these locomotives operate when they are 3/4

[@voidjavelin23]

1 of the T class has plugged radiator which causes the girl to overheated

[@nysw252]

Is the guy climbing up on the engine a member of the crew or is he a rail buff?

[@emd645e3c]

Crew member.

[@ianwoff7000]

Great footage!

[@lelomiliken7598]

Mmmmmaaannnn💥💥💥. You did it again 💯🌠🌠🌠.

[@lelomiliken7598]

Don't you... EVER REMOVE THIS VIDEO.❤️.

[@rearspeaker6364]

somewhere here on yt, its explained that T357 had a plugged radiator, causing her to overheat.

[@nightrider6769]

Surprising those four engines couldn't get the job done.

[@dallascrane9184]

just goes to show you that them old EMDs are only good to use as boat anchors and with four engines pulling 28 loaded grain cars what a joke

[@kennethjones6650]

Fully loaded up a steep grade maybe watch the video before commenting plus there 50 years old

[@voidjavelin23]

how come 710 prime mover can haul shit on rail industries?