Freud's Biographer on Why Freud and Psychoanalysis is a Fraud - DYLAN AAMES EP 7

Frederick Crews is a literary critic and English Professor Emeritus at Cal Berkeley. He has written numerous books on Freud, including "Memory Wars" and "Freud: Making of an Illusion,"

[@cadmantheaviator]

The main problem with psychoanalysis is that it does not permit honest disagreement. It’s adherents impose their beliefs on clients. The main problem is the harm of this.

[@John_Malka-tits]

So... psychoanalysis would be better, in your non research based opinion, if patients resisted treatment? Seems legit..?

[@esahm373]

​@@John_Malka-titsSounds like you are misinterpreting his / her words deliberately?

[@John_Malka-tits]

@esahm373 it's called extrapolation. No good faith required.

[@recipehacker9752]

Any analysis that were to do that would not be a proper analysis. Try experiencing modern analysis before commenting…most opinions people hold about psychoanalysis are based on cases from from 50-100 years ago from people, like this bloke, with zero direct experience

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Sounds like a proj ection of parental issues to me.😮😂😢😅 Poor man.

[@MaxWaldron]

Nonetheless, what come from Freud and colleagues in the form of Pschodynamics, continues to influence basic assumptions about human nature, eg. the power of the Unc. mind, the profound importance of early childhood, and the fact that memory is fundamentally dynamic. May I add, there is, The International Society for Neuro-Psychoanalysis. A group that have integrated two disciplines. To form a bridge between fields. They have validated some Freud.

[@John_Malka-tits]

It's like everyone feels kinda wow.. CASTRATED around Freud. That's why people feel so COMPULSED to distance themselves from him without actually looking at the evidence. Freud is psychology daddy and we're anxious Freud is gonna cut our dangles off. You know, we have to protect our castration anxiety around him by calling him wrong- Regardless of the facts.

[@esahm373]

​@@John_Malka-titsSounds like you are a Freud cultist who completely lost sense of reality?

[@kirstinstrand6292]

It seems that people avoid anything having to do with sex and death. Avoidance of Freud and Climate Collapse. 😮😢😅😂

[@matthewkopp2391]

@@John_Malka-titsor Oedipal conflict

[@dweeebazoid]

Certainly, the writers of the past influence the writers of that come after them. This isn't anything new. You would need to be more specific about what you mean by "validated". Just because their interpretation agrees with itself, it doesn't make them correct in the absolute sense. Epistemology and reasoning courses are all over these sort of shortcomings.

[@karate4348]

Freud abandoned his patients. Women who he realised were likely sexually abused by their male family members...some of whom were his colleagues' families!.. Dilemma. By the time he was about to present his paper on this, he was being pressured not to by the Viennese (not religious) Jewish upper 'circles'. He acknowledged that he'd been sexually abused when he was a toddler....Letters currently still hidden are thought to include his concern that his father abused him as well...At about this time, he rushed off to Italy for a break...He had a writing block and was likely on the brink of deeper awareness of himself. His brother hastened to join him in Italy and there's nothing like a family member in denial to shut down realising of any unhealthy family secrets. He returned to Vienna? withdrew his paper from presentation. He had a colleague with whom he'd been collaborating on his first more truthful observations about his patients, who went ahead to present more brave paper and went on to have a heart attack a week later. It was then that Freud came up with the utter tripe of the Oedipus complex..basically finding babies as you have outlined. Basically Freud and Jung were oriented around fame and Bering clever, with backgrounds in experience of neglect and sexual abuse and the arcane respectively. They fell out because Jung found Freud's scrutinization around sexual matters too cruddy and Jung's occult connections frightened Freud. Their ginormous egos clashed. There was quite a cultish and certainly boys club feel to the 'professions' of both. Freud's nephew? went on in America to design mind manipulation advertising psychology to capitalism and herstory, truth and suffering was dumped for the boys of course puffing self defining themselves. Both freud and jung actively denied the reality of sexual abuse by individuals and groups and left millions across the world who could have had their reality and needs addressed sooner, lived longer and suffering less. I'm not bothering to do an academic treatise, with references and polish as I don't think these guys did much that people already knew.. They were clever and lifted each other as academics and men often do..egos and need for prestige etc being what it is for many who could not access healthy connection enough as children.. Many people have taken their lives as patients of psychiatrists and analysts because they were subject to the dribbling nonsense distracto-diatribe of some of Freud's very theories with no reference to real life harm of children within families. Elite groups who abuse children were likely connected with Freud and likely still are with the Tavistock, London etc. These establishments or rather good and often naive practitioners and academics do good solid work also in these establishment and the confusion adds to the cover up. There is much more to the Freudian slips and slipperiness..than we have yet to realise. Sorry you overlook the reality of repression, children drugged, threatened, and fragmented into parts who may present as forgetful. That's quite a twist, because you seem more interested in Freud's lies, than the pain of survivors and how perpetrators cover that up.

[@fundseconomics]

Great to see this guy live. He's must be 89 or 90. He's super fit and focused. I can only recommend his book. Was interesting. The interview as well, thanks for doing it :)

[@JR-py3yq]

An important point about psychoanalysis: Most ordinary people equate the term “psychoanalysis” with “psychotherapy”; however psychoanalysis is more properly a specific treatment mode/choice in the psychotherapy toolkit. Psychoanalysis is not a treatment for major mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. These conditions require treatment by medical doctors.

[@esahm373]

Yes, Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis are two terms often wrongly used interchangeably within the public. Psychoanalysis should really not be considered as just another variant of psychotherapy. It really has nothing in common with treatments that built on research and evidence-base. PA is more of a mythological, philosophical exercise that can generate a sense of insight into one self, but ultimately is a waste of time, since it lacks the capacity to treat cause and effect of cognitive malfunctioning or mental disorders. Its an esoteric entertainment for people with no genuine problems in life apart from the typical "struggles" of overprivileged, wealthy metropolitan inhabitants.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Not simply pharmaceuticals, psychologists treat BPD via DBT therapy.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

​@esahm373 psychoanalysis is not understood. People therefore make silly comments about it to make themselves look intelligent. It's laughable, almost.

[@mentalitydesignvideo]

it's not a treatment for anything

[@nuncatecontaramchannel]

Well-done lads🎉

[@esahm373]

Some deliberate efforts are being made to reintroduce Freudian teachings into modern Clinical Psychology rebranded as "Schema Therapy"!

[@recipehacker9752]

Incorrect. Schema Therapy iis a type of cognitive therapy, not psychoanalysis.

[@esahm373]

From a naive and uninformed point of view you are correct. Basic premises of Schema Therapy are really derrived from Psychoanalysis though.

[@recipehacker9752]

@@esahm373 yes, it attempts to in a superficial way. In any case, I now see your original point- that it appropriates analytic elements and then calls itself CBT. A case of putting old wine in new (inferior) bottles. Vey common practice, unfortunately.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

You guys are out of your element. Self understanding seems to not be important to you. How's your life going? All perfection 🥰 💞

[@esahm373]

@@kirstinstrand6292 Are you a bot or just a brainwashed Freudian cultist?

[@csmoviles]

There are so many therapists in the world. There are even more patients of theirs, who seem to never get well. It is as if this therapy thing were designed to keep those poor clueless patients in bondage. I'd suggest going to the One who made you. He will set you free by giving you a new heart and mind; by giving you the kind of peace that transcends all understanding ❤

[@RobCarmina]

The incest enacted by Oedipus wasn't intentional, however - at the end of Sophocles' play, after the truth finally comes to light, Jocasta (his mother) hangs herself, while Oedipus, horrified at his patricide and incest, proceeds to gouge out his own eyes in despair. How can this be a natural psychological inclination, when the realisation of what you have done leads to self-annihilation? Freud was subverting a myth - using the 'kudos' of myth as a basis for his essential theory. It makes no sense, psychologically, that human beings should be, from birth, driven by unnatural impulses, when they are themselves part of nature. These impulses can, of course, develop as a result of the individual's response to life as he/she grows up - but they are not 'innate'.

[@John_Malka-tits]

All cultures have incest taboos. You don't have a law against things that people don't, at least WANT, to do.

[@filip1261]

Incest is by no means unnatural? being opposed to incest is the more unnatural thing

[@kirstinstrand6292]

As long as you never discover your unconscious, you will never understand yourself or the world around you. Most likely, agency will not be recognized either. Freud, in spite of his problems, created psychoanalysis. That's all that's important to experience, unless you want to resort to conversion. Jesus feeak, in other words. BTW, Jung can easily be accused of the same issues. Competition was as prominent then as it is today! WW3 is all about Competition.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Incest was likely practiced in early history when tribes did what they felt like doing. Men simply did what felt good to them. No wonder Chrisrianity was developed. Has anyone researched this possibility?😮

[@bellakrinkle9381]

Let's look at the Oedipus conflict from a different lens. Everyone's first love experience is with one of our parents, the other parent becoming the secondary object. Ideally, we all love mommy because our tiny life depends on her. Therefore, she is our role model for love. If she is a good mother, we will love ourselves because she loves her baby and this becomes our feeling of our internal picture of ourselves. If the parenting goes as stated, as adults we will connect to someone who emits the same good feelings experienced as babies and early childhood. This is how incest develops; from deeply, ingrained, early, unconscious memories of our first love relationship. Then, as we get older, these early emotions get repressed into our unconscious memories. It's universal. Somehow, this "incest" has been misunderstood. It's only a role model used to perpetuate humanity as a species. Sexuality emerges with puberty. How would anyone know what to do unless feelings and hormones were triggered by our parents and natural instincts. To continue, the above is what happens, ideally, if your mother was capable of loving. (Not all mothers and fathers can love.) Some are not good mothers or not good fathers, yet babies always love unless their mother turns against them in early childhood. This is why relationships get chaotic. Because we repeat whatever our infant and early childhood "love" experience (forgotten memory) was. We will always try to resolve/repair the early caretaker love relationship. Call it incestual or primary love - the fact is - it's reality - whether you choose to accept it or not. I don't have the time to care if Freud was a fake doctor, or not. I don't believe all of Freud's theories, I have many dismissive thoughts of much of his theories. It's a waste of my time to gossip about him. The Oedipus is truth, from my perspective. Think what you prefer, it matters not to me. I will be me, you be you. It's OK to disagree.

[@norbertk9595]

This is an outstanding discussion. Frederick Crews' books on Freud are models of clear and rigorous thinking. Crews' essays -- published in the New York Review of Books -- on so-called "Intelligent Design" and Big Pharma are not to be missed.

[@wingtagwingtag5283]

What is more important to me especially at this time is how do you make a psychologist or whatever shit they call this Dogma and non scientific field accountable? How do we make them accountable? For me a psychologist is a modern priest. Just like the priest preaches about God which he has no evidence of. They are just getting paid by manipulating the unconsciousness of people. We should replace all of them by Good meditators who have something to offer to humanity.

[@bobatea5406]

32:31 Here’s why the analogy doesn’t work. If the suspect says “I’m innocent.” That proclamation is not then taken as EVIDENCE that he is in fact guilty, which is what psychoanalysis does with the concept of “repression”.

[@elhierofanteok]

There are some cuts of Freud, from the beggining even, that seems to be biased in favor of the thesis. Freud recognize where he get the ideas. Indeed Freud mentions Albert Moll and Havelock Ellis, for example. He mentions Kraft-Ebing on libido, attraction and repulsion forces on Brücke, Umhemlich from Schelling, Nmemonic Image from Wernicke. The only one that Freud does not mention is Sabina Spilrein on death drive becuase was Jung's wife. The thing with "Practicing Science" is utterly wrong, not just a bit, is blatantly wrong. The scientific tradition in Psychology has three major sources: german style that is the laboratory based founded by Wundt, the english style based on statistics founded by Darwin's cousin Francis Galton and the french style that was based on psychiatric wards mainly on clinical cases, championed by Martin Charcot. Freud was educated in France in neurology and indeed some of his firsts papers without Breuer were written in french because of this. Indeed what Freud did in his time was a good framework for medicine, because this patients, for example, in United States were taken by religious insititutions like the New Thought and Freud gave to the medical institutions tools to build a frame and take care of patients with no signal of physical illness. The good science on psychology was not invented until Harry Gold developed the double blind studies in the 1950's, twenty years after Freud's death.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Dr. Mark Solms just spent 20 years interpreting Freud's German notes. Solms was written 4 books, one out now, I think. Maybe this can bring psychoanalysis to the forefront again. Solms is a neurscientist and a psychoanalyst.

[@alinbarba1418]

The description says he wrote many books on Freud, what I am more interested in is what has he read of Freud? And he wrote about Freuds life, but what is his framework for criticism of his theories? That he wrote about his life and he concluded that he was a liar high on cocaine and a pervert, thus he actually has no merit?

[@mentalitydesignvideo]

he quotes from Freud enough to dispel any suspicions of the kind you're voicing. also, do you realize that it's been established with archival documents, that Freud lied about every single of his supposed cures? Invented whole cases? Beat his daughter and then "analyzed" her sexual fantasies for four years?

[@berkcimen1736]

“Defence mechanisms” the term actually belongs to anna , his daughter,

[@rickturnr]

Anna Freud didn't go to college

[@berkcimen1736]

but she published a series of very boring books@@rickturnr

[@rainerausdemspring3584]

"Not even wrong" refers to the infamous string theory in physics.

[@user-fk8rb8ue5h]

Freud comes across very much as a narcissist.

[@John_Malka-tits]

So what? He literally discovered narcasism. It wasn't a pathology before he found it. That's like getting upset that the dude who invented the mirror had a goofy haircut in high school.

[@user-fk8rb8ue5h]

@@John_Malka-tits Well all I can say is, if you do not realise the significance of Freud being a narcissist you are not half as clever as you think you are.

[@John_Malka-tits]

@user-fk8rb8ue5h you don't realize the irony of calling Freud a narcasist. That's like feeling like a big smart guy for saying "Einstein was made of energy". Really?? He was a narcacist? Where did you get that diagnosis, Herr doctor?

[@lordnelsonmc.billionberg9166]

The human is a religious being/animal ! That's just how we developed as a species. These Freudians are just as religious as anyone else 😊

[@exbronco]

I used to see a psychoanalyst. I saw him until he died. I saw him for more than 10 years. Do I think he was just doing his job for money? No. I think he believed what he said about psychoanalysis. but i wonder how effective psychoanalysis is. I'm not saying it's not effective, I'm just saying I wonder.

[@esahm373]

Any intimate human interaction has some effect on you due to the interactive process itself regardless of the validity of the therapeutic theory, which in the case of psychoanalysis is complete bs.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

I was in psychoanalysis many years. It helped, but it did not cure. Decades later, I devised my personal analysis and cured myself. I want to get new methods into the field of psychoanalysis... They are still using techniques from the 1900s! I could point anyone whose analysis was not resolved. Look back to your childhood. That's where the answers are. Forget free association.. Use your memories! If I were an analyst, i only understood neurosis. Pathology is not useful for psychoanalysis.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Who are these yodals speaking? Do they understand the power of psychoanalysis? I agree that analysis needs updating but certainly not termination.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

I think many who were in analysis were helped but not cured. The years I spent on the couch treated my inability to concentrate. I returned to university and worked until graduation. Decades later, I needed more analysis. Having no money, I focused on the issues that my original analyst could not fix. So, I psychoanalyized myself. Unfortunately, I have nothing but a psychology degree. I could repeat it only for neueotics, who have unfulfilled, unhappy lives.

[@oldoddjobs]

Wealthy Americans go in for a lot of talk treatments, diets, spiritual workshops blah blah blah inevitably it works for some just as any effort in this direction will - especially since the success is self-reported. Eating carrots & forgiving my 10yr old self for wetting the bed cured my halitosis etc

[@John_Malka-tits]

Freud literally discovered the unconscious, but lets ignore all his achievements in order to role play Boner-Police and call him a NAUGHTY BOOOOY

[@Anabsurdsuggestion]

Quite!

[@John_Malka-tits]

@MiG1.44 yes,why do you ask?

[@mentalitydesignvideo]

are you serious? there were whole tomes written on the subject before he even went to school

[@2.A963]

It sounds like frued is a narcissistic imposter

[@tedrobinson5713]

Today's Treatment is ayahuasca which Sigmund Freud would have tried 😮

[@John_Malka-tits]

Who needs psychological help when I have dissociative hallucinogens ??

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Speak for yourself, boy 👦 😤

[@LSreggae]

Showing that you know nothing about psychoanalysis. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@user-fk8rb8ue5h]

It was all smoke and mirrors with that man

[@jameshicks7125]

Psychoanalysis is not a fraud. One has all of their work ahead of them to support such an overreaching and grandiose claim. It's one thing to be a PHD in English Literature, and it is quite another to have a PHD in psychology upon which one would be qualified to critique the field. This is not to imply that Freud wasn't grossly mistaken about many of his ideas. He was.

[@johannagel4520]

You just contradicted yourself.

[@norbertk9595]

Psychoanalysis and psychology are two different subjects. Crews deftly demonstrates that Freud was a fraud.

[@VigiliusHaufniensis]

Psychoanalysis isn't scientific because it seems to be unable to generate falsifiable hypotheses. But this isn't the point of it all, it's truth is revealed in a pragmatic way in analysis. If it helps the client it cannot be false all the way, it's truth claims are close enough to help.

[@zzzzzz-rn3oh]

its a huge gigantic scam.

[@ClaLu]

#FreudFraud #Psychoanalysis is a #CoercivePseudoscience and we yet have to fadom the deepness of it's harm😢

[@michaelvenne9386]

"I would never trust a man that has to shave his face to 0% hair. "

[@kirstinstrand6292]

This entire discussion is a waste of time. Freud and Jung were both conflicted men who were in a power struggle for fame. The reality is that Freudian theory is far more accessible than Jung. Is a cure possible? Yes, yet psychoanalysis MUST be updated. Empathy or attachment theory was not known during Freuds prime days. Much has been discovered that will move psychoanalysis forward. Keep in mind that psychoanalysis is most appropriate for those who have above average intelligence and much curiosity. It requires time, drive, and persistence. The lives of neurotics can be functional yet miserable. Good candidates for psychoanalysis are NOT psychotic or pathological. Psychologists are more relevant for typical mental health problems that cannot be helped by analysis. Fact.😢😮

[@dylanaames250]

🤣

[@lordnelsonmc.billionberg9166]

Wrong & dislike

[@kirstinstrand6292]

​ Can you be more specific?@@lordnelsonmc.billionberg9166

[@mentalitydesignvideo]

" Is a cure possible? Yes" why doesn't it cure anything that is a real mental health issue, only imaginary problems? I mean, in a documented way, not the lies they tell?

[@bellakrinkle9381]

You are ignorant and know nothing of interest.