From Faith To Faithless: Here's Why This Woman Walked Away From Islam | Sarah Haider

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[@islammovie8511]

Arabic subtitles are now available for Islam and The Future of Tolerance.

[@MdMuntasir90]

Could I know , for what reason or which things/parts ( like any specific Quran verse / verses ) , She left Islam ? Thanks .

[@kasigwaissa5086]

When you still alive you are free to talk what from your brain but let’s get returned to the almighty you regret what you chose may Allah put you In the deepest he’ll fire if you die with this bad believe

[@clemalford9768]

@@kasigwaissa5086 how do you know? Has it happened to you?

[@matthewdoyle9579]

Winston Churchill 1899: “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

[@AbhishekSingh-gk9gh]

This is the same Churchill who said "if there is famine in India why isn't Gandhi dead yet". A mass murders word doesn't hold any water

[@matthewdoyle3628]

@@AbhishekSingh-gk9gh Well he is right. Tell me in the past 200 years what has the Muslim world contributed in the fields of Science, Medicine, Technology?. Without Europe or North America you'd still be lighting your huts with candles and fires and still be in the 7th century

[@Zeitaluq]

Really one sided. Even though Islamic civilization faltered in the 1800's and before the earlier civilization was the leading one in many fields. The rise and decline occurred over centuries and was not monolithic.

[@MalikBux]

Churchill massacred 50 million people in Bengal via means of forced famines during British rule

[@muhammadabdulawal6933]

Well, generalising can be dangerous...If you want to find the true real God sincerely, follow two rules.Every single Hadith in islam that writes negative things about women were written by disbelievers 300 years after the prophet's death. Become chaste for 5 -10 years and then study the Koran. God will open the truth for you only if you are worthy enough for his heaven . For that you need to be pure hearted. Truth be told you will always hate Islam or maybe all religions as a matter of fact. Make your heart pure. Become absolutely chaste. Body and heart. Do not do any sin even by biblical laws. Do not watch any lewd films or have any sort of acts that makes you worship another human being. For example thinking of people or getting into sexual relationships with someone. Stay sinless for one or two years and I swear on my life that you will become a believer of God and maybe even Islam. I have seen people who I have shown a million pieces of evidence to get them into believing in God religion Islam or even Christianity or Judaism which also came from the same god of Abraham, but they all hated religion even more violently. Then I realized god doesn't want them to worship Him or call into Him because God only allows the free hearted and the sinless to believe in Him and come inside His religion. I promise you indeed you will become a believer if you become absolutely sinless. I challenge you to do it. And you know the funny part? Many many Muslims I personally know, my own neighbors and my college classmates left Islam and completely started a war against all Muslims and Islam despite growing up in a very religious environment and being Muslim all their lives. I was so scared I thought once what if I become like them all? Then I realized that they all started sinning , sexual relationships with partners worshipping their lovers ,illicit erotic films, masturbating etc. I literally took at least several dozen interviews of ex Muslims and I swear every one of them were involved in some kind of sin. Yes some Muslims sin too but maybe they forget or repent really sincerely or feel so guilty that somehow god still keeps them inside religion because of their remorse but these people were proud sinners and they all I mean every single one of them left god and His religion. And I think these people who are sexually active and still in islam are too dumb to obsess over sex. So please don't be upset at me and follow my challenge for one year to 5 years and come back and tell me if your heart is still the same. It’s not worth it to lose a true religion because of worshipping some lover. Every lover will take another lover the day you die. Why worship their body and leave religion. Why not try my challenge? You can fool everyone but never yourself or God. God only wants the purest heart to worship him and thus he makes everyone who is obsessed with selfish desire or lust or too much worshipping of other humans and too less love to leave the folds of his religion.

[@maryahhaidery7986]

That was amazing - thanks Sarah! I think too many stories of people leaving their religion either focus too much on the “before” or the “after” so it was nice to hear an honest account about the actual “journey” involved. Sometimes I think people forget that for most Muslims, it is a “journey” - often a long and complicated one where navigating the first few steps (like the ones you discuss here) can seem the most daunting.

[@gking407]

It is a journey all of us take. Muslim or Christian, religious or not, man or woman, young or old, etc

[@RichD746]

Holy Koolaid and Genetically Modified Skeptic also have great videos of their detailed journey out of religion. Definitely worth watching.

[@michaeldominic3183]

I don't know how many people realize that Haider has been a prominent voice in atheist circles for quite a number of years. If this is your first introduction to her do a search for more of her videos. Her videos go more than a few years back.

[@Troubleshooter125]

Just reinforces what I already knew: that Sarah Haider is ONE SHARP COOKIE! Brava, Sarah!

[@laika5757]

Sarah.. keep speaking the truth..200% support to you from India.

[@stuarthastie6374]

leonard Alphonso why not a Hindutva 300% !

[@stuarthastie6374]

leonard Alphonso my point was Indian use of % in discourse just plane silly. Mentioning silly naturally Hindutva sprang to mind. I agree Islam is the worst. But India is 99% like drinking a bang lassi in Disneyland. Too much fun and games to take in. XP

[@brucecaldwell6701]

Normally I wouldn't say someone was lucky to have grown up in Houston but I guess you could say Sarah was. She is an exceptionally bright young woman who I admire a lot.

[@gking407]

That’s why traveling or being around other people matters, so a person doesn’t believe they have all the answers in life.

[@lassehaggman]

USA is still much worse than Europe in that respect, and Texas is the Pakistan of the western world. I'm very glad that she was able to get rid of all that nevertheless.

[@matsfreedom]

If Islamic women were given equal rights to Islamic men, what would happen to the "religion"? Would Mohammed approve? Would Islamic men approve? What changes would Islamic women make?

[@faza553]

Often, Women are the foot soldiers of orthodoxy. Dr Elham Manea, long article on AHA website: "Older women were talking to us now. The message became political, in essence sanctioning violence. It is jihad, they said, and it is meant to spread Islam." www.theahafoundation.org/radicalized-as-a-teenager-dr-manea-now-exposes-dangerous-islamist-tactics-targeting-youth/?_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8xijLet0cd-hAx9zt7feUGgXOy7OZSI5fmcC9UUIE8iwo1xaRlp_uGlkYSBBD-t-v0XhSYHEhCpRs4OkEL4_Ps049-5quY6p1un3hXacOT2dCUPOE&_hsmi=64677630

[@clemalford9768]

No Md. would not approve of equal rights for women. That would have undermined his sexual prowess. Anyhow Koranic teaching is the word of Allah and for all time and unlike Christianity cannot be reformed. Danger sign ahead!!!!

[@st6431]

@@faza553 yeah they aren't the ones doing the fighting and dying so it's not uncommon for fanatical women to be sabre-rattling and egging on war

[@sinomirneja771]

Probably would not approve, because it would disadvantage women to give them only equal rights.

[@billgreen576]

What an interesting and very brave lady. Escaping from absolutist religions can be very difficult indeed.

[@AizenIsKubo]

This shows how important fathers are for girls.

[@andrewschaeffer9426]

Your bravery and honesty is encouraging, your basic intellectual approach to denouncing religion wise and sufficient. Good job.

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

“The Prophet said, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, “Yes.” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.”” - Sahih al-Bukhari 2658

[@gowdsake7103]

Thus you prove what a vile closed minded asshole you are

[@arunshankars8398]

Did you just post that as a criticism of Muhammed, or are you trying to discredit Sarah with that Hadith ? :O

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

@@arunshankars8398 criticism of Muhammed,

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

@Ravindra Sihag thanks. Don’t worry about me 😁

[@FactStorm]

@@infinityApologeticsClips 1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days." All Abrahamic cults are wretched.

[@gking407]

Sarah Haider is amazing. All religious people who treat people with kindness, when their “Lord and Savior” told them to do otherwise, are amazing. Amen and remember not to litter.

[@anthonyparkinson5544]

The second commandment; love your neighbour as yourself

[@gking407]

Anthony Parkinson Romans 13:1-4 Everyone must submit to governing authorities for all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. In other words, religions are very unreliable when it comes to defining morality.

[@anthonyparkinson5544]

@@gking407 Avoid getting into debt, but the debt of mutual love

[@gking407]

@@anthonyparkinson5544 when the elevator to success is out of order, you have to use the stairs - one step at a time

[@tensortab8896]

The reactions of her parents shows that there is a path for Islam to be reformed. Can it be? What would people in the tenth century think the prospects were for Christianity to be reformed? How bloody will the reform of Islam be?

[@fredneecher1746]

Her parents didn't seem to know much about their religion. They probably were just "cultural Muslims", observing the rituals but not bothering with the heart of it. They went easy on her because they did not apply the full Islamic values.

[@rpdsouza1957]

It can't be reformed, it's full of hate filled and scientifiically non sense verses, what do you do about them ?? Delete them ??

[@clemalford9768]

@@rpdsouza1957 You are correct. It cannot and won't be allowed to be reformed. The Koran itself says it is unchangeable, the last and final word so how can that be overridden without an uproar from those fundamentalist imans?

[@clemalford9768]

Welcome to the rational world and leaving 7th-century nonsense behind.

[@laika5757]

God bless you Sara. Your courage and wisdom is a great benefit to humanity...200% support to you from India.

[@gowdsake7103]

WTF is wrong with you ? It was GOD you moron that she has rejected

[@superatheist9821]

👍

[@fortruegood8591]

This woman not only look or is smart. She's like a visionary and genius.

[@ibntulun9405]

Couldn't they afford any lighting??

[@antoooa8664]

From this channel, it's good to notice that there are more women opening up about leaving the cult than men.

[@eebsdomini2591]

Surah Al-Baqara As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. (6) Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom. (7) And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not. (8) They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not. (9) In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.

[@DanieleNiero]

Good. Now prove those are really the words of God. Good luck

[@gowdsake7103]

Aww the peaceful religion as always making threats TWAT

[@MuhammadRamzan-ct7pl]

Someone said tht finally

[@maazzafar2822]

😂

[@BrentonSwafford]

Ah yes, Allah the most "gracious" and the most "merciful" increases disease and burns people for all eternity just for not being able to believe in him even though he could guide everyone if he wanted to. What a load of crap. Islam is an evil religion created by an evil man, and it should be wiped from the face of the Earth forever.

[@OWAIS843]

She didn't tell a single problematic question about Islam, as to what is it that she did not find answer about in Islam, perhaps the propaganda technique???????

[@AnthonyAtheist]

Well done you for waking up from the utter nonsense that is Religion And extra points for it being the vile one

[@gowdsake7103]

Umm the vile one ?

[@isaaclees402]

I see where you are coming from and I am also a firm non believer in any religion. However, I don’t think you should make such cutting comments on something I would guess you have had very limited real life experience of. The media tends to talk about Islam in a negative light. I’m not saying that the media is wrong but most people do not know the other side to the religion. Islam has in fact been the foundation of many good societies and institutions in the past and some of their principles are very agreeable. Giving 2.5% of your income to charity for instance. I think Islam can have a good stable position in modern society if it just agrees to discard some of it’s out dated, extremist beliefs.

[@AnthonyAtheist]

@@isaaclees402 Islam has no place in a modern society And I dont care how many nice fluffy bits there are when the amount of vile hate is more than enough for people to see it's TRUE colours

[@isaaclees402]

@Anthony Jackson Trust me in this: I am no stranger to the sort of violent delusions and unreasonable intolerances people can have because of religious beliefs. Last year I was hounded at school for putting some completely moderate and measured criticisms of Islam on my Instergram. Maybe in a ideal world we would not have religion but I am a realist so I know that is not going to happen. Therefore the best thing each of us can do if we truly want to rid the world of religious extremism is to confront it with logical, moderate and respectful arguments. Your contempt of all religion could be interpreted by some as just another form of extremism. You cannot fight fire with fire.

[@navneetrama]

Well-done . You choose the right path. Welcome to the club

[@jopolanco8371]

Really? Where's your *_concrete evidence_* for Atheism's fundamental claim? Just what demonstrable, quantifiable, empirical, falsifiable, testable, replicable evidence do you have that Jehovah God does not nor cannot exist?

[@FactStorm]

@@jopolanco8371 Nice straw man ya got there, but that's very predictable from your likes. You are clearly an amateur..

[@paullever2085]

You should be very proud of your courage...

[@udanggalah4170]

i think, the main problem of common muslims and including most of their Quranic scholars, are too much "legalistic," (fiqh oriented), as if ayatollah (god guidance) is only one: al Quran (holy scripture). factually, God him self, in very first revelation to Muhammad, is not asking Muhammad to study (iqra) the holy Quran (cos the kitab doesn't exist at that day), instead He command Muhammad to study (iqra) other ayatullah, we called as ayat Kauniyah (universe and all of His Creations in it). That why in serious and encyclopedic Islamic traditional school, we always taught that beside al Quran, there is another god guidance (ayatullah) called ayat kauniyah (the universe and all god creation in it). and for qur'anic scholars, we also know --from al Quran it self, there are two others god guidance (ayatullah), that we as muslims should seek for God Guidances: called as ayat insaniyah (human being) and ayat tarikhiyyah (human history). if common muslims and it scholars, uses all 4 God Guidance in balanced ways, we will not always fall into legalistic point of view when we talking or examining Islam point of view about woman/feminism, politics, evolution, LGBTQ issues, democracy, secularism, separation between religion and state, on terrorism, etc. for me, if sociology, political science, statistics, history on the rise and fall of civilizations/countries (as interpreters of ayat kauniyah and ayat tarikhiyyah) comes to the conclusion that democracy with separation between religion and state, is the best political system in the world for advancement human civilizations, then all Muslims should choose democracy with separation between religion and state, as preferable political system to practice in all Muslims majority countries. also if expert on biology, doctors, psychiatry, etc (as interpreter of ayat kauniyah and ayat insaniyah) , said that beside man and woman (as gender), we also has intersex, hemaprodyte, woman with more testosterones, man with more X chromosome, etc, then all Muslims should choose to agree that god him self gave us guidance / ayat that beside man and woman as gender, there also another genders/pronouns that we should cherish, protect, and respect (cos if we don't respect others God Creations, are similarly with we don't respect our God as their Creator). if we stubborn, only picks, one ayatullah, we called al Quran (holy scripture/ayat Qauliyah), as the one and only god guidance to follow, then muslims and it scholars, will always fall upon into legalistic point of view (fiqh oriented) when we examining what is islamic point view on everything under the sky. wahabbiyah, isis, al Qaida, etc are trapped in this narrow point of view about Islam and its believe. of course, for responsible and encyclopedic islamic teaching, all those narrow point views on Islam are wrong (at least incomplete), misguided, and disrespecting God. umar bin khattab, as on of few sahabah (closed friend of Prophet), several times choose to disregarding some textual issues stated clearly in al Quran, and pick other decision after he choose as Muhammad successor, as leader (khalifah/amir), if there are more fairer and more justice way (socially) on making decision as Amir/Leader, rather than choose from what already state very clear in al Quran. he always choose more fairer and more justice decisions, even others sahabah question his decision. and as we know it, umar bin khattab is one of several sahabah (closed friend of Prophet) that guaranteed (informed) by the Prophet that he is going to heaven. his way of leadership decision, was a hard evidence that the closest friend to Muhammad, also not only consider holy scripture (ayat Qauliyah), but also social aspect, fairness, and justice (ayat kauniyah), when he making decision as a leader. nobody in umar bin khattab time, dare to called umar bin khattab as heretic/bid'ah, kuffar, or infidel. but in modern era, several of loud muslims, loud muslim scholars, and most of jihadist will immediately call us heretic/bid'ah, kuffar, or infidel if we also uses 3 other God Guidance's beside ayat Qauliyah, when we speak, analyze, examining islamic point of view on everything under the sun. how strange is it, if we following completes God Guidance's, then be called as infidel, kuffar, or bid'ah. legalistic approach (fiqh oriented) on Islam has bad impact on advancement of Islamic civilization, and has backward effect on development of its peoples: the Muslims. but yes, in Islamic jurisprudence (ushul fiqh), we also has similar concept with Umar way, but unfortunately has more narrowed approach and clearly far from sufficient to be implemented in modern era, we call them: maslahah mursalah (public good principle) and maqashid syariah (ratio legal over legal specific). if muslims also incorporate social science, biology, technology, history, political science, psychology, etc (as part of rightful interpreter all of God Guidancs/ayatullah), many problem we faced today in many part of Muslim countries, will be addressed in responsible way. Muhammad him self, in his own word (Hadits Bukhari Collection no 6015), said: muslims should follow person with specific expertise on handling matter, so let political scientist handle political matter, health matter should handle by doctors, etc. do not let everything under authority of quranic expert. in general, muslim should treat expert on other ayatullah (scientist as rightful interpreter whole universe and all of His Creations in it, as rightful interpreter human being behavior and it history) equal to expert on holy scripture (al quran). Furthermore, on all wide range of social issues, every new founding/understanding as result from responsible research by scientist, should supersede (abrogate) any old interpretation from holy scripture, cos all of new founding/understanding as result from responsible research by scientist, are also rightful interpreter of God Guidance (ayatullah). falling to do so, should be interpreted as a disqualified argument/opinion. Many argument/opinion base on fiqh (islamic legal specific), kalam (theology) and falsafah (philosophy), factually in most areas are quite obsolete for addressing social, economic, and political problem in modern era, cos most of them are derived only from ayat Qauliyah (Quranic centric), which is an incomplete way to sorting our problem in modern era. Most of old argument/opinion already supersede/abrogated by new founding/understanding as result from responsible research by scientist. Muslims should back to the complete of God Guidance in balance way on solving problem in Muslims world, not only using holy scripture as final say. and stop kuffar/infidel calling game, cos that game from a complete, genuine, and responsible interpretation of 4 God Guidances, is simply un islamic. and, as an open end conclusion, there is a deeper question: why common muslims and its scholars dare to disregarding 3 other God Guidance's? why muslims and its scholars become legalistic (only focus on 1 ayatullah / 1 God Gudance (ayat Qauliyah) called alquran, as if salvation of a civilization fate can be and must be depend on 1 cause only? as brief answer is: corruption and abuse of power by people in high power, it cronies, and big business that closed to muslim countries rulers at that time. all of them, almost single handedly creates and propagate common muslims and its scholars into disregarding 3 other God Guidance's. peoples in power, it cronies, and big business that closed to muslim countries rulers push and push relentlessly to narrow interpretation on morals and public interest thru perverted interpretation on the holy scripture. even, they dare to appoint unqualified islamic scholar as qadi for them to uses as fatwa producers in favors to their vested interest. since then, islamic civilization goes down spiral into inevitable decline from it's greatness. many fatwa produced in their regime will makes serious, genuine, and responsible islamic scholar scratching their head and shocked. fatwa on mihnah policy, on banning printing technology, banning radio, tv, google, youtube, etc, are among of perverted interpretation on holy scripture. it lead to tradition/repetition/reinforcement on using narrow interpretation islamic law for beating and punishing dissent and discontent on social injustice in islamic society. furthermore, it lead islamic society to become close minded, anti science, and trapped in textual approach tradition on just 1 god guidance called al quran (ayat Qauliyah) only, with narrow and more narrow interpretation. common muslim today and it scholar today are the real victims of bad fatwa born from dark alliance between high power, it cronies, big business that closed to muslim rulers before them. lets wake them up, by spreading the real genuine of God Guidance's and it's rightful interpreters that we called: sciences. amen.

[@prasadvarma1442]

From India long live sister

[@queenesther1739]

She is so beautiful. She looks like and reminds me in the way she carries herself somewhat of Megan Follows' inspiring, beautiful Anne of Green Gables character!! Very happy for her and the fact that her family didn't disown or threaten her!!

[@haithamelatrache1231]

Why the video quality is bad ? is it a sort of veiling ? also why are you using "this woman " in your title ? what are you promoting ? be more clear in your channel description instead of being grey

[@gking407]

“this woman” instantly stood out to me too

[@michaellawrence2762]

You need to ask this question!

[@georgeengland1699]

Islam gives religion a bad name. You don't get killed for leaving Christianity.

[@seanregehr4921]

Actually you have misunderstood. Religion gives the Truth a bad rep and seeks to hide it by any means necessary.

[@B.S._Lewis]

No? There's a ton of history where you'd be killed for being the wrong type of Christian though.

[@gowdsake7103]

No you get shunned, and your vile morals say they should burn in hell you 2 faced twat

[@DeviantDeveloper]

What's with the quality? Weirdly dark low quality video (I'm on a high quality monitor, don't have these issues on any other videos).

[@ronaldmendonca6636]

some kind of filter?

[@haithamelatrache1231]

was about to ask the same it is not only the quality but the title as well "... This women .." is he talking to muslims or ex muslims.

[@rigilchrist]

I think the contrast is flat because this is a clip of camera raw material shot for the filem "Islam and the Future of Tolerance" but this clip did not get used.

[@michaelwhite8031]

I am the Way the truth and the light !

[@michaelwhite8031]

@@hanshenfreeman1097 if you don't know find out .

[@hanshenfreeman1097]

@@michaelwhite8031 You keep using these words and I do not think it means what you think it means.

[@michaelwhite8031]

@@hanshenfreeman1097 you tell me then if your so clever

[@michaelwhite8031]

@@hanshenfreeman1097 Jesus Christ

[@michaelwhite8031]

@@hanshenfreeman1097 don't just read but study the Bible. Read lsaiah 53 and the book of John.

[@redpillpusher]

BRAVO SARAH!!! Strong and beautiful....keep fighting harmful religions. Much love and respect. All religion is false and most are harmful.

[@funDAYsmiling]

I don’t even think atheism is anti-religious, but just logical. Religions are important but, what does Islam offer women, REALLY? Not a damn thing.

[@sonicluffypucca96]

I think people tend to think antireligion and atheism are one and the same but that is not necessarily true

[@clemalford9768]

Islam offers them a good beating and if really naughty a public stoning!!

[@stuarthastie6374]

Clem Alford and the stoning isn’t in the protected Koran . The Hadith say it was eaten by a goat.

[@clemalford9768]

@@stuarthastie6374 What happened to the goat???

[@clemalford9768]

@Zareb Imam and? I am not a Muslim

[@CSUnger]

It’ll be interesting to see if she can maintain such an air of objectivity about Atheism as she confronts the internal inconsistencies in THAT faith system. Atheism is not a system of answers as much as a system of objections TO answers. One cannot hope one’s life on a system of objections to answers. One needs answers to the complex questions of life in order to live an internally consistent life.

[@CSUnger]

“Build”, not “hope”. One cannot BUILD one’s life...

[@wilsargisson3626]

@@CSUnger No-one really builds their life on the absence of a belief. And that's all that atheism entails. What are the internal inconsistencies you mentioned?

[@CSUnger]

Wil, you don’t know the atheists I know. But I suppose it’s not really accurate to call them atheists as much as anti-theists; a different animal. These guys are troubled and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to justify their lack of faith. But to your question: the inconsistencies arise when one who lacks a belief in God is confronted by things like love, and beauty, and new life, and evil, but has no context within to reliably process them.

[@CSUnger]

Wil, you don’t know the atheists I know. But I suppose it’s not really accurate to call them atheists as much as anti-theists; a different animal. These guys are troubled and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to justify their lack of faith. But to your question: the inconsistencies arise when one who lacks a belief in God is confronted by things like love, and beauty, and new life, and evil, but has no context within to reliably process them.

[@Jared__Bowden]

C.S. Unger - the sensation that one’s brain generates when experiencing things like “love” or “beauty” is the same for anyone of faith or without faith. Similar to how things like motor functions originate from the same area of the brain. These physical occurrences specific regions of the brain are consistent from brain to brain. Ones interpretations of these sensations and linking them to a creator or not linking them to a creator is up to the individual. Regardless, it doesn’t make these sensations any less meaningful And it certainly doesn’t make anything inconsistent.

[@indy500tabasco8]

Spinal Tap the best

[@vincentkhan8079]

so what!

[@nisaybliss855]

Even the people of Israel , despite having just witnessed a miracle, abandoned their religion in the brief time that Moses left them with Aron in charge in order to receive The 10 commandments . They were wrong to do that, and so is she. Anyway, since there’s no compulsion in religion I suppose she can leave us. It’s better than having a hypocrite amongst us.

[@DanieleNiero]

Prove exodus happened. Apparently it is historically inaccurate. Actually straight made up. And here you have your first problem. Second, prove a miracle happened. Good luck with that. Third, the 10 commandments are incredibly shallow, childish and some completely wrong (honor the father and the mother. Really, even the abusive ones?) . So even if you could prove the first two things, I will ask myself: "Is this really the best an omnipotent, wise and benevolent being can do, really?"

[@nisaybliss855]

Daniele Niero prove you have a brain. I want to see your brain. Because I really need to see if it exists, if it works or if it’s even knowledgeable enough to know events that happened long before it came to existence. Prove that you have a brain.

[@DanieleNiero]

@@nisaybliss855 I'm writing to you. There you go, you have your proof. See? Easy. Now, do you understand what a falsifiable preposition is? OK then, so instead of deflecting and trying childishly to get under my skin, can you answer my two questions and address my conclusion? Exodus is falsifiable, which means we can prove it happened. Apparently it didn't. A miracle is more complex for you, but THAT miracle didn't happen because the exodus didn't happen. Do you have a response to these or you will keep deflecting? What about my statements about the ten commandments? You can insist with your childish tactics if you prefer, I will move on thinking that I have exposed another dishonest theist. Your decision

[@nisaybliss855]

Daniele Niero No, I have to see your brain. You need to split open your head and stream it live so that I know you have one. I need hard evidence. I won’t accept any evidence from science and scientists just like you wont accept any evidence from history and historians.

[@DanieleNiero]

@@nisaybliss855 and this is your problem: history and historians don't think the events in exodus really happened. There are too many things that don't add up and evidence that should be there, that are no there. So you really think exodus is baked up by historians? Really? And with that arrogance? Wow. Besides you have no clue of what evidence are.

[@rpdsouza1957]

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[@veganath]

better yet design a socioeconomic system where people time isn't wasted...

[@zerototalenergy150]

"Atheism is about BELIEF or, specifically, what you don't believe. An atheist doesn't believe in any gods. Agnosticism is about KNOWLEDGE or, specifically, about what you don't know. An agnostic doesn't KNOW if any gods exist or not.." so we are all agnostics.... i.e. we DO NOT KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!(BELIEFS can not be equated with knowledge) YOU CAN BELIEVE in whatever you wish... but you don't KNOW...hence you are an agnostic. i.e. hence theism and aheisim are basically 2 sides of the same coin... both based on beliefs..!

[@DanieleNiero]

No, no really, I don't agree with you definition. Atheist is not being convinced by the proposition that there is a god or gods. Is not a positive statement, atheism doesn't mean knowing there is no god, although some atheist may be convinced of that, but the term itself simply mean "without god". That's all. Agnostic instead means not being affiliated with any particular religion but being inclined to believe there is an higher power. So in my opinion you have it twisted.

[@zerototalenergy150]

@@DanieleNiero agnostic may or may not be inclined to "brelieve"...that is not what defines them ...what defines them is "I do not KNOW if there is or if there is not god" PERIOD...I consider myself an agnostic. I neither believe nor disbelieve in h"higher" power or god.

[@DanieleNiero]

@@zerototalenergy150 I see your point. It risks to become a battle of definitions, but lack of believes in absence of evidence is not equal to stating positively that God doesn't exists, it is simply saying I won't believe until I have a good reasons for. We definitely don't know if big foot exists, but since we looked for it and no evidence were found, for how long should we leave that door open? Often people declare themselves agnostic to keep these doors open: "you can't rule it out, then I keep it on the table". While atheism is more like: "until we have sufficient evidence, we put it in a box and we move on on other things"

[@zerototalenergy150]

@@DanieleNiero I see.. it makes sense..that is another way of looking...

[@gowdsake7103]

Oh dear you know you are wrong but are utterly unable to accept that some people dont live their lives based on groundless fairy tails. I Dont believe in goblins or fairys I do believe there is a gnome that lives on the far side of the moon that lives in a teacup PROVE me wrong !

[@orbitalpl1]

A very brave lady, but why to go from one extreme to the other?

[@DanieleNiero]

She didn't. Give up ideas that don't make sense is hardly an extreme position.

[@orbitalpl1]

Daniele Niero / I meant why to go from such an extreme belief system to it’s totally opposite which is an ateism? Something or someone must have created this universe.

[@DanieleNiero]

@@orbitalpl1 Really? Aren't you going to take an extremist position now? This might sounds illogical but stay with a me a second. The only moment to accept an idea is when we have good evidence for it. Probably we can't be absolutely sure of anything, you might be dreaming right now and immagine me to write to you, but I think it is quite safe to say that we are, indeed, having a conversation. Ok, so there are scientific evidence of how the universe became what we see now. If we are right it happened with the Big Beng, but we can trace bake to only few instants before the Big Bang really started to happen. Before that we have no data and there is the real possibility that we will never have. So, we don't know if before there was nothing or there was something. There are zero evidence, however, for an intelligent being behind all this. We can't say ti for sure, but we can say for sure that if there was, it didn't leave any trace behind. So the only thing we can say, the only honest thing we can say, is that we don't know and if we don't know why bother to discuss if it was intelligent or have a plan etc? Can we posticipate that discussion when we will know something about it? But religions are worst, not only they declare there was something, without any evidence, they also claim they know exactly what this thing was, what it wants and the many plans it has for us... They claim this thing did a bunch of things that, those for sure, we can rule out as incorrect, like creating the earth in 7 days, for example, or humanity starting with Adam made from dirt. These things are incorrect, and if those things are incorrect how many other are there in those books. So Atheists only say: "There are no evidence for the supernatural, so until there are some, I won't care" Hardly an extremist position

[@orbitalpl1]

Daniele Niero - It is an extreme position. Atheism implies there is no God without having an evidence whether it exists or not. So they’re closing themselves off from the possibility that maybe there is something, but cannot be explained. Agnostics are open to the possibility of existence of God. Atheists are closed just as fundamentalists are in their belief system. They don’t leave a room for possibility.

[@DanieleNiero]

@@orbitalpl1 I had this conversatation exactly this morning... I'll give you the same response. It risks to become a battle of definitions, but lack of believes in absence of evidence is not equal to stating positively that God doesn't exists, it is simply saying I won't believe until I have a good reasons for. We definitely don't know if big foot exists, but since we looked for it and no evidence were found, for how long should we leave that door open? Often people declare themselves agnostic to keep these doors open: "you can't rule it out, then I keep it on the table". While atheism is more like: "until we have sufficient evidence, we put it in a box and we move on on other things" You in particular you seem exactly that type of agnostic that like to leave doors opened. Can you see that it is irrational? Oh and by the way, you will never find evidence that God doesn't exist because it is an unfalsifiable preposition. So again, after all this thousands of years without evidence, how long should I care about it?

[@jhljhl6964]

If Allah really exist, why doesn't he make himself known?

[@stuarthastie6374]

JHL JHL Mohamed’s radio was Arabic only and no one else could hear it.

[@veganath]

@buymebluepills *"A God revealing itself would be a mega spoiler."* no it would be evidence, a good reason to believe, otherwise I & many rational people have no good reason to believe your claim for your specific god or anyone's sincere claim for their god/s.

[@veganath]

@buymebluepills *"no amount of evidence would convince the unbeliever."* yes it would. *"You are in no position to demand anything from God"* not possible to demand anything from something that isn't intervening in human affairs. A god/s that doesn't intervene in human affairs is as good as a god that doesn't exist. What I do however demand is evidence from those making the claim that their specific God/s exist, this is where theist fail to meet their burden of proof for their claim. *"if you don't want to see it"* see what exactly?

[@veganath]

@buymebluepills you mean stop being intellectually honest?

[@veganath]

@buymebluepills tell me how would believing in your God solve the problems that humanity faces today? Exactly what are Xtians doing to help usher in Jesus' proclamation that *God's will be done on Earth as it is in heaven?* This proclamation of Jesus begs the question, is there money in heaven, what about poverty, what about crime/prisons, hunger, environmental degradation and what about humanity's greatest admission to failure "War"?

[@stephenconnolly1830]

This woman has waffled throughout and provided zero details for her apostasy so we know precisely nothing about her contentions. For all we know, she has grown up with a bunch of incorrect cultural notions of the faith and swapped these for the illogical fallacies of atheism.

[@stuarthastie6374]

Stephen Connolly what do you want, Power Point., bullet points and diagrams ? There are plenty out there who will relate to her experience.

[@veganath]

So are you prepared to clarify any incorrect notions of the faith(Islam) by answering questions?

[@theien5929]

Read the Quran. Read the Friday Prayer, Surah 62. It has been read in every Mosque in the world on every Friday for the last 1400 years. Read verses 5 and 6. You will then begin to understand why hatred of the Jew is fundamental to Islam.

[@veganath]

Cheers will do. It is unbelievable that people today believe that there are circumstance where it is acceptable to put to death people for acts that are inherently non-violent, e.g. blasphemy, homosexuality, adultery, apostasy. I make no apology for advocating that the West needs a ban on this ideology.

[@bigol7169]

Allahu Ahkba!!!! 💣💣💣💥💥💥

[@leroybroun4106]

although islam is a religion, that doesn't mean all religions are islam. the core of religions is their individual belief system which largely contradict each other. atheism itself is also a belief system that contradicts other belief systems. so the division isn't between atheism and religion, the division is among all belief systems, and because they contradict each other they cannot all be right; in reality, either one is true or all are false. if you look at atheism like you looked at islam you should find some huge flaws that make it questionable. primarily, i find it to be irrational and has proven to be incredibly harmful to humanity. atheism is quite untenable.

[@veganath]

*"atheism itself is also a belief system"* atheism is simply the rejection of the claim made by theists including Islam that a god/s exist simply because theists have failed to meet their burden of proof of producing merit worthy evidence for their claim. *Important!! Atheism does not inform behaviour as it has no doctrine or ideology, the same cannot be said for religions!!* It therefore isn't a system of belief. Do you identify as Muslim?

[@leroybroun4106]

@@veganath the absence of GOD is just one of the athiest claims. what you actually described is agnosticism. if atheism is what you described, then it's still useless because it doesn't offer anything. in fact, mainstream atheism does attempt to answer the many existential questions thru naturalism/materialism. and yes, athiests also try to impose their beliefs and morals on others, everyone does. i.e abortion, darwinian evolution, human rights, government as supreme authority, group over individual.

[@leroybroun4106]

@@veganath forgot to answer your question, no, i am not a muslim.

[@veganath]

@@leroybroun4106 *"the absence of GOD"* actually most atheists do not make claims that God/s do not exist, we simply reject theists claims. Intellectual honesty dictates that it is almost impossible to falsify the existence of anything based on a claim with 100% certainty. Most atheists apportion the degree of 'belief' in any claim with the evidence presented. As we should. *" if atheism is what you described, then it's still useless"* that is correct *"athiests also try to impose their beliefs and morals on others"* it isn't atheism that informs beliefs and morals, as I said it has no doctrine and therefore doesn't inform behaviour. I would be remiss not to parse an example , *Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot were atheist and so am I,* the difference here is that they were genocidal, borne of zealous commitment to the implementation of communism and I am on the other end of the moral spectrum, I am *vegan,* a commitment to not causing others(human & non-human) to suffer unnecessarily, borne of love, compassion & kindness. Now if their is some moral position that I have overlooked that may be causing others to suffer unnecessarily, please bring it my attention for evaluation.

[@leroybroun4106]

@@veganath i actually read your entire post and i understand your position. and when i speak of atheism i'm referring to mainstream, not any specific individual like yourself. the overarching point is that most of us need answers to our existential question to 1) live a fulfilled life, 2) create a robust society, and 3) prepare for the afterlife if there is one, and that's why different belief systems developed; if one cannot provide answer then they are not really useful. i see you are trying to be moral, but you cannot really justify why whatever you do is right or wrong. i gave you examples of actual mainstream atheist beliefs, even if they are not your beliefs. the marxist you mentioned were in fact psychopaths but their policy and behavior is also the logical conclusion of atheism because in that belief system 1) there is no absolute right/wrong 2) life is accidental and has no intrinsic value and 3) there is not a supreme just authority to hold one accountable. like i said, you sound more as an agnostic than an atheist.

[@bathin813]

I really wanna know how much she makes for these kind of things. This is what happens when you act on your desires. You sell your own worth for some quick buck

[@jedizzo111]

Still don't trust her

[@AizenIsKubo]

That's because you are an idiot. What makes you not trust her? And don't repeat that taqiyaa bs. Most of us Muslims didn't even know what taqiyaa was until people like you brought it up over and over again. So, thanks for teaching impressionable Muslim minds and extremists alike about taqiyaa, now they know even if they didn't know about it before. I'm an ex-Muslim as well. I'm more on the extreme side of atheism and extremely Right Wing against Islam.

[@jedizzo111]

@@AizenIsKubo Blame your own fellow followers for Islam's shitty reputation, not white people (boring excuse) or those who rightfully despise it. #sorrynotsorry #fuckyourfeelings

[@stuarthastie6374]

John Izzo what’s to trust ? Investigate for yourself. Simple.

[@bismillaah-online-departme3904]

That gal is the biggest fool, she is saying that she is intellectual, but at the same time she is saying' no causer exist for the cause of this universe, did that gal ever heard about the law of causality?

[@danielanthony8373]

If I was born a Muslim I'd want to he an atheist too...

[@rishikeshthaware9668]

God created mankind in more then one groups both having same capability in body and mind but gave them different religion and asked them to follow rule of covert or kill followers of other religion....as simple as this sounds it's really stupid if you believe it

[@xxxzz8413]

Kya maal hai ee

[@englishwithmuzammal3596]

This lady is aware of the reality that led her to the periphery of the ruins. Her freedom diverted her into the wrong-turn. The wrong-turn snakes to the destruction. Islam has nothing to do with her new orientation. It is all about -- Islam doesn't suit me, so let's try to make others believe that Islam is wrong, not me. Freedom has been misused without any proper guidance. Islam has no compulsion at all when it comes to accepting or denouncing. Your choice of leaving Islam is not the bone of contention for Muslims, but your lies, bigotry, revenge-replete-attitude. She would never tell you the real reason for considering Islam as a false religion as there is nothing congenial to her decision. Her doubts have not been cleared off her parents and the scholars she sought for guidance. No offense, just a personal point of view.

[@bellycurious]

There is no compulsion but the only countries that have some kind of punishment for apostasy are all Muslim majority countries. No, her doubts have not been cleared off by others. And what? You could contact her and try to bring her back to the faith. I bet you would fail. Religions are all irrational. They require faith, and faith is believing without proof.

[@englishwithmuzammal3596]

@@bellycurious Apostasy's definition is not what people think it is. No one gets killed on leaving Islam, but when they denounce Islam by telling lies, which is called - treason - and the punishment of the treason is death, the world over.

[@englishwithmuzammal3596]

@anny791 I guess you totally missed my point. Treason is considered a major offense that is tantamount to the CP. This lady, Sarah Haider, belongs to Shia community which is far far away from the real Islam and its teachings. I don't consider her to be a fool as she has not met the real religion since the beginning.

[@clemalford9768]

@@englishwithmuzammal3596 Religion of Peace says it's OK to kill someone for discussing why they don't believe Islam. I suppose there is a 'fatwa' out on Dawkins for showing the absurdity of this, Md. going to heaven on a winged horse' LOL kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2q4nY17m9GLmMU

[@rpdsouza1957]

@@englishwithmuzammal3596 telling the truth does not attract blasphemy charges , so if quran says earth is flat and reality is it's a sphere, and such other nonsense such are stars are lanterns in the sky, shooting stars are missiles hurled by mischievous jinns, sperms come from between backbone and ribs, if all this nonsense is exposed in an Islamic country will not it attract charge of blasphemy, will not even child studying in 4 th class be ashamed of the knowledge of allah.

[@mahah13]

Sarah Haider, Thank you for sharing your story. I came a cross your video on KZbin. Please be aware there is a difference between culture and Islam. Many societies mix the two together, depending on which is convenient. I think your parents are following the right teaching of Islam, by rising you equally to males and not pushing you back to Islam. Please ensure that Islam is not forced in any way. About the contradictions in the Quran, its easy to understand it if you separate it into chapters. You would know from the context. Also, read the Quran as a whole, not taking the verse to confirm your biases. If you have any question please search for the real truth, because it's easy to believe a convenient truth rather than the real truth.

[@dustin3596]

Mohammad was a warlord.

[@mahah13]

Dustin Thank you for your response Dustin. Mohammed (peace be upon him) was practicing freedom of speech in Makkah for 13 years. During that time he was spreading the message of Islam which the core two ideas was to quit worshiping idols and worship God (Allah) and believe in an after life. People who accepted Allah’s message and followed him, were tortured and murdered; including slaves and poor people. After 13 years, he escaped Makkah to Madina after the elite in Makkah ramped up the torture of Muslims and wanted him killed. During his Madina, where all of the wars started and were three types: self-defense protecting madina from incoming invasion, invasion of Makkah commercial convoys to return the money stolen by elites in Makkah, pre-emptive war on tribes preparing to invade madina or betrayed official signed agreement. I just summarized these facts, don’t take my word for it, please do investigate it yourself. These facts are widely reported by historians, read their books and come to judgment by yourself.

[@dustin3596]

@@mahah13 yeah no... if you're implying islam is a religion on free speech, you are lying. There are plenty of hadith that support the killing of blasphemers and this is what muhammad upheld during his time. Every islamic society that has ever lived had a penalty for blasphemy There are plenty of hadith that state the punishment for blasphemy is death. and if you want to keep making the argument that that is not true islam... that is a "no true scottsman" fallacy. if you take islam and all it's condetxt in the hadith and quran and historical context, you get what we have today. And sure, maybe muhammad believed in his own freedom of speech but he clearly didn't believe in freedom of speech for the people he didn't agree with when he became a warlord. Like all warlords, "Law applies to thee, not me"

[@mahah13]

Dustin Thank you for replying to my message. There is a difference between Islam and current Muslim societies. In Islam there is freedom of speech based on the condition that it does not promote aggression and misdeed. I understand your confusion about blasphemy laws mentioned in the Hadith. I will give a context, then you can decide yourself. After Mohammed (peace be upon him) passed away, many tribes turned and break away the agreement. These laws are totally political were enforced by the governing powers then. I’m no expert in Hadith, but I refer to Quran it clearly said “there is no compulsion in religion”, there is no blasphemy punishment in Islam. Any Islamic society enforcing blasphemy law is solely political. Please note that most Muslims problems now that take Hadith which is interpreting prophet Mohammed talks and actions at the time, as equal source to the Quran that did not changed since more 1400 years ago. They used Hadith as a reference to the Quran, which should be the other way around. The Hadith should never contradict the Quran specially in major laws. For example, horse meat are considered a forbidden in Hadith, in which was a temporary situation to prevent killing of horses used during war. There is no mention of that in the Quran, yet still horse meat is forbidden. There are many examples like this, where temporary laws specific to that time, interpreted by his followers as Islamic laws. This is the best case, assuming the Hadith was not fabricated to advance an agenda or misinterpreted by one or several sources. It’s even worse when Islamic culture used as a reference nowadays, because we don’t know the context and it doesn’t include the accumulated knowledge of humans today. It’s super worst when Arabic culture before Islamic still accepted today, such as honor killing inherited from female infanticide in pre-Islam Arabic culture. Which it is forbidden in Islam. I gave context about “Muhammed is warlord”, I have nothing to add to that. I refer you to read non- biased history books about Mohammed ( peace be upon him). Or read and study the Quran. I’m surprised many people come to premature conclusions about Islam without enough spending time to read and study the Quran.

[@dustin3596]

@@mahah13 so you know the correct context and everyone else, all the religious scholars who dedicated their lives to the religion who preach violence and intolerance is wrong? Freedom of speech within context is not freedom of speech. (unless it's yelling "bomb" in an airplane)

[@lydiaanello6208]

come join us on discordapp.com its safe we do not play we protect those whom are free 'roasted vegetables' Maruta De' Yeshua ' suggested server's know this no mess is tolerated God bless you all

[@ainanmdjr8512]

Contradictions within the scriptures? historical inaccuracies? Do we have the same scriptures?🤣 All she did was sell her religion to the west so that the people would accept her. Me and her had similar experiences of doubts but yet we came to two completely opposite conclusions 🤦‍♂️