This is me working through Throw Coast's nose down issues. You are a different person with perhaps the same or different issues. If you would like private lessons to get your issues fixed, visit www.patreon.com/overthrowdiscgolf and sign up for one of the private lesson tiers and we will get things sorted out :)
@ThrowCoast2 күн бұрын
Bringing Hope to the Hopeless🙏😎, lol; thanks, Josh, for pointing me in the right direction! I also see a fair amount of comments on my range of motion. This could be true, and I agree that working on stretching could really improve this. There are so many great points to this session. What was most valuable to me is that I know what to do, how to do it, and what it should feel like; the rest is practice. I highly recommend working with Josh, either in person or via video coaching. - Ryan (the hopeless one ;-)
@RobRoane3 күн бұрын
So we don’t want a front loaded grip for long drives?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Correct. With the advent of TechDisc that has been mostly debunked I believe.
@RobRoane3 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf that’s interesting! This whole video was super helpful as when I turn the key I end up burning it over to the right. Need to work on leaning forward a bit more and keeping that elbow up.
@ryanholmes87813 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf So glad to hear this and can concur via TD. Front loaded feels so weak to my hand compared to back loaded. Also the "line the disc with the crease of the hand" grip feels very weak and strangely not that effective on the nose angle for me.
@jamesfarabaugh66693 күн бұрын
@@ryanholmes8781 I think it's a starting point, but there's more to it, such as using the fingers to push the plate up into the meat of your palm (not just squeezing the rim). I just recently added to it. I run the crease, wrap my fingers around and squeeze them up on the plate, then with my off hand I pull up on the back of the disc to make sure it's really firmly against the meat of my palm. It's just anecdotal, but I think it helps.
@joem84963 күн бұрын
This not a new concept but has been getting more publicity w tech disc to prove it. Spin doc has a video on it explaining how back loaded gives more whip by allowing a loose wrist. I still can't do it.
@adambroussard81923 күн бұрын
Would have been hilarious if you didn’t put hopeless in quotes
@jonathangarlinghouse3 күн бұрын
Hey! My homie is on TV! Shoutout to Ryan at Throw Coast DG in lovely Leland, NC. Also, great video guys, and a great reminder. I've been throwing better since I met y'all!
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
We’re homies now, right?
@jonathangarlinghouse3 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Of course! Homies in Christ and DG, my favorite kinds.
@POWORDISC3 күн бұрын
I could see the improvement across the video. Nice!
@kruksog3 күн бұрын
This could be a great series. Find someone with a super common issue, and work them through it. Like, id love to see one on rounding, blowing past the brace, failing to find the pocket, etc. Thanks again. OT is the best.
@drtbke3 күн бұрын
Getting the nose down on a disc is the equivalent of forward shaft lean of the golf club at impact. The power pocket is equivalent to getting the golf club into the slot, which allows you to deliver that powerful swing with the shaft lean, compressing the ball into the ground making it go up, and far.
@dacks142 күн бұрын
That was a great lesson for youtube. I have a very similar issue and I am around the same age of your student. Your communication of what you are looking for is great. thanks for this.
@spene939 сағат бұрын
Any chance you have thought about injury instruction on this channel? I started and learned disc golf by throwing forehand, and didn't have any issues for years. I then started to hurt my arm, while throwing forehand, and was forced to switch to backhand. At this point I create pain in my arm for about 30%-50% of my forehands, and I have a friend who has the exact same problem with backhand, while he is learning how to throw backhand (he has no pain forehand). It would be awesome if you broke down down how you can mess up a throw, and address the pain that comes with it. For instance, I can throw a forehand (maybe 250-300 if I throw it well, and smooth), but it usually causes pain in my shoulder and tricep area.
@SnowTroIl3 күн бұрын
Been having some elbow/shoulder issues this year and nose up has been a big issue. This video really highlighted the reason why. Time get some physiotherapy and do mobility exercises!
@mr.watertwister981015 сағат бұрын
Throw coast is my local disc golf shop!! One of a kind location… great people and great disc selection!!! Ask for Ryan (the guy receiving instruction… who is actually really good at disc golf).
@TAFNAP6917 сағат бұрын
Awesome video exactly what I am working on with a tech disc myself. I followed your instructions as if I was the pupil and am able to get nose down now but only with high launch angle (20+ degrees). As soon as I try to lower the launch angle or flatten (less hyzer) the nose angle goes right back up to 3-5 degrees nose up. Any suggestions I could try? I really appreciate all the videos I have been watching for 2+ years now and learned everything I know from you and Mikey.
@jojox973 күн бұрын
Surprised to see Throw Coast on my feed. Love this shop. Sup, Ryan!
@DriftWizard7503 күн бұрын
Really good video, great job. I will start working on this tomorrow, thank you.
@merk3452 күн бұрын
YES! YES! YES! This must be how Neo felt when he learned Kung Fu. I know I'm close so this is gonna get me there
@Mdjagg2 күн бұрын
Thank you sir! More videos teaching how to practice would be such a gift.!
@OsrsCalebКүн бұрын
Idea for a physical feeling for the the hand going high might be a balloon or something for them to swing for at like a natural height
@JasonLawrenceJones3 күн бұрын
My index (pointer) finger recently got split wide open from throwning discs. I didn't take care of it and it got infected. So, it really hurt. The only way that I could keep playing and not have it hurt was to not use my index finger at all while throwing. This forced me to use a "backloaded grip" instead of using my index finger. Now, when I throw I can feel the disc ripping out of all my fingers somewhat equally and it allowed me to get more distance with less effort. I don't know if that is relevant, but I thought that I'd share it with you anyway. How can people that throw 600 feet not be blowing out their fingers on a regular basis?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
I think there is a lot of working up to it for the 600’ guys. Fortunately they don’t have to immediately resist 600’ worth of disc rippage
@djksan13 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolfyeah this backloaded grip vs front loaded is a question mark… in the recent video with the 1700 rpm dude, I seem to recall the grip not really altering much? 🤔 That said, do you advocate in general for using backloaded (for drives) or does it depend on what’s going on in the individual’s throw mechanics?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
@@djksan1 I’m advocating for back loaded on drives. And with Zach Nash, his thumb repositions during his backswing from where it was initially which tells me he is backloading as well
@baustin6123 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf interesting, im squeezing as tight as i can with thumb/index i will try backloading more as i have issues with early release and grip lock, trying to get in the sweet spot is really tough for me.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
@@baustin612 yep. If you haven’t seen our most recent grip video I would recommend it
@jonasaronsson29712 күн бұрын
nose up gang love this video
@tubedude7092 күн бұрын
Is it possible to know how the nose angle changes as the disc flies with the techdisc
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
I don’t think so.
@discsmd3 күн бұрын
It wasn't 9 throws! CLICK-BAIT! I am the click-bait police. :) Great content! Great insights! Thanks for talking about the shoulders opening creating an anhyzer release. Don't think that is well understood.
@TM-DGG3 күн бұрын
Does he have limited ROM in his shoulder? Seems like he is really struggling to get any separation between his torso and elbow. And he doesn't seem to be able to follow through high. For him, stretching may be far more beneficial than throwing.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Unsure about the mobility issues
@TheStrangerlol3 күн бұрын
I was kinda thinking the same thing when watching. He had a difficult time bringing his hand above his shoulder let alone above his head, especially when he was trying to over exaggerate.
@Rytubes2 күн бұрын
Out of curiosity, how are the folks who don’t “briefcase” the disc or have an obvious turning of the key motion throwing nose down? Are they starting with their wrist supinated and holding it throughout the throw?
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
Briefcase is just the most extreme Randle of motion. You can do a smaller turn key from a less pronated arm position. It’s just tougher to learn from I think initially.
@fathomz2 күн бұрын
how dare you not bring him to the field after.
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
We dost dare. But I had back to back lessons at his shop so that would have been difficult
@Corrigan65_3 күн бұрын
Unsheathe the sword? Never heard that boss... LOVE THAT☯ Having said that, a lot going on in this quickdraw that I'm going to be paying very much attention to.
@drtbke3 күн бұрын
Josh is the Butch Harman or David Ledbetter of disc golf instruction.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
I’m unworthy of such high praise, but will work to follow in their footsteps. Thank you
@drtbke3 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf you are on your way dawg! you are a pioneer, making a path that's not there yet. i love it. Makes me want to quit my nice job and come work with yall in some form or another. maybe one day!
@NilsHoffmannDK3 күн бұрын
Great, actionable instructions! I like the slow motion practice. Reminds me of my guitar teacher who called this "finger tai-chi" (changing chords very slowly to teach the brain a new motion). I also get the anhyzer issue with the roll and suspect that my wrist bends to much before the hit.
@triplespace0073 күн бұрын
First time turn the key ever meant something to me. After testing it out, I seem to come out at a flat to slightly down palm...also you explained why my hyzer comes out anni occasionally while focusing on nose down.
@kruksog3 күн бұрын
Looks like homeboy might have some shoulder mobility issues. He seems almost incapable of swinging the arm above the head on the swing. Great video. You guys always do such good stuff.
@brendonmccarthy82333 күн бұрын
Great video, recently just got my tech disc and literally playing with got to this same point. Was throwing alot of anhyzer but now I know how to begin to fix it. Also need to get my spin up. Thanks for everything.
@chrisblood19713 күн бұрын
Great video, great concept. I’m working on a lot of these same things, and there’s a bunch of good stuff here. But I wanted to say a particular thanks for the demonstrated concept of shoulder position being the difference between anhyzer and nose down. That clicked a bunch of concepts into place for me.
@Iliyena873 күн бұрын
@ 8 minutes 35 seconds it is so apperent that he just wants to keep going directely, thats the feeling a coach loves to instil but hates to stop but its probably the best place to add the next part so the mind simply won't mess stuff up analyzing and going back or overcorrect in the wrong way xD
@nealwagenman87643 күн бұрын
This couldn't be timed out any better. I'll be contacting you soon regarding my new nose down technique.
@zssaiyajin3 күн бұрын
Great video, guys! The coaching is just top notch!
@billbittick3 күн бұрын
lol. This is like watching a rewind of my first two lessons with Josh.
@andrewb99423 күн бұрын
Super helpful to see someone else try to work through it.
@wraith89772 күн бұрын
How can I get a 1 on 1 lol
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
Patreon link in the description or in person in Lynchburg, Va.
@jinksphoton2 күн бұрын
Perfect timing! I just got a tech disc lol
@leightaft77633 күн бұрын
Bro can’t lift his arm?
@TheOriginalProFessrrr3 күн бұрын
Your words are positive but your body language and demeanor show you're getting irritated lol
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
😂 that’s just my welcoming smile.
@TheOrignalProFessrr3 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolfhaha right right 🤣 how much do these sessions cost?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
@@TheOrignalProFessrr $100/hr. This was a half hour session
@TheOrignalProFessrr3 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolfsweet thanks boss!
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
@@TheOrignalProFessrr yessir
@derrickxu83642 күн бұрын
How do you set it up alongside the simulator?
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
The TechDisc has a simulator function on the app/browser
@derrickxu83642 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Oh I always use it with my phone, guess the app doesn't have that. I'll drag out the laptop next time, seems much more fun being able to see the simulation.
@Nolast125032 күн бұрын
Is turn the key required for nose down? Anything else i can do instead? I kinda hate turn the key... but want nose down. Just seems to add inconsistency when i turn the key... sometimes the nose down is extreme, sometimes its just late hit and anny.
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
It is required imo
@kyleweir68922 сағат бұрын
I’ve never done this “turn the key” thing, and so many pros don’t either, and I’ve never had any issues throwing with the nose down.
@OverthrowDiscGolf22 сағат бұрын
@@kyleweir689 every pro throwing nose down that we have data on has some combo of supination and external rotation into the hit.
@ericmerg67182 күн бұрын
I just tried this with my techdisc and saw immediate improvement on nose angle but a 10mph decrease in speed, i assume thatll go away with reps?
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
Decreases in speed are expected when changing something like this. Start to normalize the throw and lessen the exaggerated turn motion and you should get back up eventually
@ericmerg67182 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf i worked back up to 52mph ( average normal is 56 so not super far off ) and kept 2-4⁰nose down so that's an improvement but wobble is out of control.
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
@@ericmerg6718 check your grip and make sure it is secure without a bunch of thumb pressure. The thumb should be secure, not pushing hard
@flo-motion3 күн бұрын
Oh You are teaching a backloaded grip? - is that the secret to nose down? I tried it a few times and it feels weird
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Not the secret but it is a part of it for sure
@anderschristianhaldpederse84723 күн бұрын
just TYPICAL !!! im watching this video on work, thinking WOW I NEED TO GO HOME AND TRY THIS.... then take a glance out of the window... its pouring down outside... F***** !!!!! :D
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Same here
@SwordOfAndariel3 күн бұрын
Thank you for confirming that "5 degree or less hyzer" is essentially anhyzer. My "flat" throws on the techdisc were at about 10 degree hyzer. But on the course, when throwing a neutral or OS disc flat, they flew flat. Not sure if that is a techdisc fault, or just wobble + follow through correcting them to stabilize to actually fly flat.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Not a TechDisc problem. I think it just informed us that what we perceive as anhyzer is actually a tiny bit of hyzer that flips immediately
@cmlasley3 күн бұрын
How do you keep the off-axis torque from "turning the key" from increasing wobble? It seems like most of the pros have really low wobble, but it is hard to see any of them turning the key in coverage, aside from Ricky.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Yep. This is obviously GG levels of turn the key which not everyone does to that extent. Techdisc has never shown me increased wobble with this.
@letsgobrody56083 күн бұрын
For those without a tech disc what is the best way to know you're nose down? I can't see the top of my disc but I think I'm still nose up. Or a disc that exaggerates the result of nose up or down?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
You just have to watch the flight basically. If it stalls when it gets out of turn instead of pushing then you’re nose up
@R2D933 күн бұрын
So if part of the process is getting the body over the disc and having that swing plane go low to high with the palm going from face down to face up, how does that not result in just an extreme amount of hyzer? How does that work when trying to throw flat or anhyzer to shape a shot?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
When you roll it naturally decreases the hyzer angle a bit.
@baustin6123 күн бұрын
curious on the grip portion in the beginning of the video, sounded like you said light at the thumb and index and strong at the back of the hand? so backloaded in a sense?
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Correct. If you want to really go deep on it I would check out most recent “how to grip the backhand” video. It’s quite comprehensive
@khalob193 күн бұрын
It’s got to be so hard to just coach him on getting the nose down. When there is so many other things wrong with his throw that aren’t allowing him to do the one thing your coaching him to do.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
We hit on other things that needed addressing along the way. There’s definitely other stuff to fix but sometimes nose angle takes some precedence
@joem84963 күн бұрын
I'm hopeless too so looking for your help!
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Come on.
@torymblue20003 күн бұрын
been away, new shop? like the space
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
This is actually at ThrowCoast in NC. We went down to run some clinics
@rickcollins50093 күн бұрын
Great example of how to move forward with nose angle issues. One thing I believe would really help is to have a few examples of pros interspersed here and there in slow mo showing how they do what they do in relation to what you are teaching here. I'm very curious to see how someone like Antila achieves good nose and launch angles with his generally upright style.
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Antilla is generally not upright. But it would have been useful reference for KZbin purposes. I didn’t have much time to go back and forth during this lesson.
@rickcollins50093 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Perhaps the wrong description - "upright." I mean his elbow and general process seems so high up in comparison.
@scottkohnle70143 күн бұрын
When I "Turn the Key" I throw like - 14 nose down which is way to much. I've tried either speeding up my arm to make it harder to throw that nose down but I can't seem to avoid it. It seems like if I don't turn the key I get more like -2 nose down but I get way more wobble...
@OverthrowDiscGolf3 күн бұрын
Turn it a little less?
@scottkohnle70142 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah definitely need to work on it more. It's almost like if I try to not turn it at all, at least from what I can feel, that I get more optimum nose angle, which probably means that I naturally rotate my wrist during the throw. Not sure if this causes a lot of wobble or not. May have to invest in some form reviews lol.
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
@@scottkohnle7014 that’s the end goal. Not focus and still nose down. You beat the final boss
@Scraping-Micha3 күн бұрын
17:05 Question: The "combinated nose angle": Together added arround 4 to 6°... Just in Tech-disc? Whats the reason for that? I always thought nose angle should always be kind of the same relative to the launch angle. Why (3°NA at 10°LA and -5°or-6°NA at 13°LA??
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
Nose angle is relative to launch angle already. So when tech disc is showing you -3° on a 10° launch it is already taking the launch into account for the nose angle calculation.
@Scraping-Micha2 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thank you for answering! And why is a more negative nose angle recommended for steeper launch angles?
@OverthrowDiscGolf2 күн бұрын
@@Scraping-Micha because the disc will stall out. Think about a plane flying directly upward. Even if the nose is down it still have to climb
@Scraping-Micha2 күн бұрын
@@OverthrowDiscGolf THX! :)
@oO-oz4ze3 күн бұрын
this came across as a poor teacher that doesnt care about his student. this guy didnt learn jack didly, then they want him to say he learned to throw nose down. guaranteed that lesson didnt help shit