FROSTPUNK RAP BATTLE - Faith vs Order | Dan Bull vs The Stupendium

Last year, I made a song about the awesome survival strategy game Frostpunk, and so did The Stupendium. This year, the game’s creators 11 bit studios have pitted us against each other in a mighty rap battle of the opposing purposes of Faith and Order. "A Purpose for New London"
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► See the alternate ending on The Stupendium’s Channel: • A PURPOSE FOR NEW LOND...
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CREDITS:
Words: The Stupendium, Dan Bull
Music: Dansonn (dansonn.com/)
Video: The Stupendium, Nick J Henderson ( / nhenderson1987 )
Extras:
Mr Menfolk ( / williamdouglas234 )
CaptainBaconz (@CaptainBaconz)
AbiG666 (@_AbiG666_)
General Ayatomi (@GeneralAyatomi)
Scott (@GayNightStand)
Nick J Henderson
Special thanks to:
Imbue (imbuesource.com/)
Lizzy C Jones
DISCLAIMER: This video was made on behalf of 11 Bit Studios as an advertisement for the video game Frostpunk.
#Frostpunk

[@danbull]

The Stupendium and I have now also made a MINECRAFT Vs LEGO RAP BATTLE! Who would win? Watch here to find out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmaso2iXpdVsopI

[@redstroyer3383]

I'd have to say I like how you went back 8 months just to put this message up, and hail the New Order.

[@AlbinosaurusR3X]

I think that Faith side had better lyrical composition and delivery from a technical view, but the substantive meaning of the Order side was more compelling and powerful (though certainly not kind) if seen through the eyes of someone in that world.

[@oldrelic2690]

FOR THE ORDER! DOWN WITH FAITH UP WITH OBEDIENCE

[@chinmustache6420]

So does this mean that Minecraft is pure Order, and Lego is the embodiment of faith?

[@wuthkah_vokun5417]

@@chinmustache6420 you know too much good bye

[@11bitstudios]

We still can't decide. Both sides look like they just want to execute us. ಠ_ಠ

[@Polyglot_English]

At least order is productive. Religion brings nothing but stagnation and decay

[@jacksentertainmentsystem3190]

Umm.. Yeah

[@absie6287]

@ThePassiveChicken Well it starts as standard government. Guards as police, prisons to keep criminals locked away. Propaganda is where it starts getting a little iffy, but you run the city as a dictator either way, so it's no big deal

[@Axius27]

At least order is honest about itself, but faith means that there's a heaven to go to afterwards.

[@z-mkgaming7464]

Game wise, Religion is really good for stopping hope drops and discontent rises with sermons and the permanent boosts from temples and houses of prayers. Order is good for helping stop protests. However, later on they both become similar deadly forces. Executions, beatings and on and on. I do like that Hope is no longer a problem however.

[@ethanortiz1049]

"each precious second we spent doing public penance could have been invested putting up the tents" that won the entire thing

[@ArkosMan]

For me it was, "No measure of faith will keep you warm or sate your appetite." Both are really good, hard hitting lines.

[@JaxCarpenter-uz1pr]

For me it was how could a benevolent god subject us to such events

[@swiftyoooo]

@@JaxCarpenter-uz1prits such a goddamned raw line

[@anonymousguy720]

The funny part is in the game the faith creates more efficient workers for a load of professions (medical tents, artisans, preachers) and order just gives better resource extraction rates (wood, coal, and metal). I also think that I would rather live in a theocracy than a totalitarian regime.

[@JaxCarpenter-uz1pr]

@@anonymousguy720 I’m atheist so I never choose the faith one also I like The whatch tower design and nothing ever beats the patrol boost

[@DeltaPhi]

Hey is nobody talking about how "If that sun won't rise on our horizon, we'll march on to spite the skies" is the coolest fucking line imaginable?

[@Qircore]

Hey Shut up

[@16psycheasteroid82]

@@Qircore its kinda to late, its been 6 months scince that comment

[@16psycheasteroid82]

@@Qircore whatever you say, princess

[@Qircore]

@@16psycheasteroid82 just messing with y'all lol I'm actually a really nice guy in irl

[@16psycheasteroid82]

@@Qircore k

[@shrednas6567]

"If that sun won't rise on our horizon, we'll march on to spite the skies" Now that is tattoo worthy

[@justtherabbithole2577]

@That Guy from Britain It's pretty much humanity in a nutshell, refusing to die just to say 'screw you'.

[@edwintrinidadperazacaraban4650]

@@justtherabbithole2577 you right if not ask to the glacial age if we could survived in a frozen world.

[@hellouniverse5451]

@@edwintrinidadperazacaraban4650 an Ice age yes but if the sun really is cooling then it is futile struggle just a matter of time, human perseverance can only take you so far

[@JoshIdstein]

weird crossover thought but i just read the third book in the Mistborn series by Sanderson, and, without spoiling too much, had to think of that specific line A LOT

[@insertanamehere9783]

I really like how, in the second part of the chorus, the stained glass evolves to turn the Captain into a god figure, while the propaganda signs, more inspiring at first, reinforce more authoritarian images, with a home being marked in blood as disloyal. Really nice touch.

[@anonymeroverlord]

Yeah, I love those details

[@diegollorente1137]

Agree therw

[@kindnesstemmie6625]

in the first part of the chorus also has that detail. the preacher in the middle of the stained glass is the looks like the captain in the posters in the first chorus. the second chorus is just a much more noticeable detail.

[@jekabsojarsulskis9740]

The church glass? In the second part it turned in to the founder being publicly executed with the chains around his wrists in the other two windows, showing him being a saint and a martyr for his couse. Maybe I didn't get something, but yea, the posters did turn from motivating to big brother is watching.

[@alsodharga_679]

@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 the first one was "our captain guides" and the second was "our captain sees"

[@ScorchingFrost.]

I just noticed that the images in the chorus change for the 1st to the 2nd chorus. For Faith it starts off with a church with stained glass depicting 2 members in purple cloaks praying for a better future with the figure with the Faith symbol on them being the leader/priest (aka The Stupendium). In the 2nd chorus the church becomes more cult like with the stained glass switching to many members looking towards the priest, who now wears a white and golden clothing no longer wearing the Faith symbol as he becomes the center of the religion. For Order it starts with motivational posters/propaganda telling people to work hard, earn their food, and that the Captain(aka Dan Bull) will guide them. In the 2nd chorus the propaganda become more like that of a dictator with one having “Our Captain Sees” and the background becomes more militant. There are now flags with Order’s symbol on them, a watch tower has been built looming over the buildings, and there are blood stains on the snow with “Disloyal” written with on a wall in blood.

[@dexter2392]

Yes, exactly. The first verse represents the good part of both Order and Faith, where Faith unites people and guides them towards a higher purpose, and Order protects people against threats and unites them in work. The second verse is when they devolve into dictatorship/theocracy respectively.

[@trla6505]

Good eye

[@LeHunter70]

Good eye mate

[@fbi1319]

the second church stained glass is actually the orderly leader being chained by the church goons, but the worshipping leader as a god would be a good idea

[@lechking941]

both of thoes are extreams, and sadly YOU MUST chose one of em. but i never noticed back than

[@MaxedEntropy]

You won because your hat is cooler, even tho it's warmer

[@drewbeauchesne1116]

Dennis van der Werf his hat be sick tho

[@sevencakes7125]

Stupes sounds nicer so in my opinion he has won

[@irishspartanstudios]

A) Nice joke. B) Correct.

[@parkertdm1652]

I've worn that type of hat, it's way warmer than a hood.

[@herrbrain6700]

This isn't Team Fortress 2. Cooler hats don't always win.

[@Fishfoe]

Just like in game, you both have won for different reasons. On one hand, Stupendium's verses had that divine inspiration that builds hope and morale, whereas your verses bear that stern grit that instills purpose and crushes dissent. Fantastic work, the both of you! Glad 11bit decided to help you with this one!

[@11bitstudios]

We love the final result of our collaboration and we hope to work with Dan and Greg in the future as well! :)

[@aedankor2961]

@@11bitstudios That is great to hear! :)

[@the_protectorof_smols3563]

@@11bitstudios yeah it is

[@hakont.4960]

@@11bitstudios If you make another Frostpunk game or Frostpunk inspired game they would definitely do a great job with promoting it.

[@paulmahoney7619]

The end of both is pessimistic, with the causes of Faith and Order no longer existing to restore hope in a better tomorrow but instead serving themselves, the transformation from a cause meant to inspire and comfort to one only committed to keeping the people in line, crushing hope in favor of devotion or obedience.

[@Jackie89000]

"every second spent doing public penance couldve been spent putting up the tents." The annoyance in his voice as he says the end of that line makes it hit so well.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

Yeah I think that line really wins it for Order. There's no rational argument against it.

[@Toinkity]

​@@TheStapleGunKidI do think there is. First of all, the statement itself: "every second each of us has spent, completing public penance could've been invested putting up the tents" is a very stupid thing to compare, because not only is public penance useful as it rehabilitates criminals. It also compares two things that aren't meant to be compared. Setting camps isn't really comparable to public penance. A better argument would be comparing imprisonment to public penance where one imprisons people while the other rehabilitates them I still like the lyrics but saying that it's somehow the winning line and that there's no argument against it is kinda weird. TLDR: 1. Public penance is useful as it literally rehabilitates criminals making them productive again, while discouraging others to do crime. 2. Public penance and "setting up tents" is a dumb thing to compare in the first place.

[@vbnv-oz8bj]

​@@Toinkityprisons rehabilitate people without poisoning their minds.

[@Toinkity]

@@vbnv-oz8bj Oh boy, we have an edge lord. I get it. It's annoying that your parents woke you up to go to church all the time as a kid. Anyways, back to the topic at hand. Okay, so I was originally just thinking we were talking about in-game mechanics. But if we're going by real-life prison, then that really depends on the prison, isn't it? Cuz there are a lot of statistics that back up that prisons often don't give much of a crap in rehabilitation, and although rehabilitation might be good in some countries, it definitely isn't in most countries, especially in a fictional setting in frostpunk. Recidivism is far too common, and most drug abusers that are put in prison only roughly 15% of them actually recover from addiction. Meanwhile, public penance (aka poisoning their minds), tell criminals and offenders to apologize to the hurt parties and to God and are given the chance to repent from their misdeeds. Now, this method obviously has a lot of flaws, but I find it dumb to completely discredit its utility, especially when the world is set in frostpunk, where a belief of a higher being is probably far more effective at keeping people in control without the use of force. The fact that God is fake or not is irrelevant when the teachings itself aren't even harmful in moderation and just equally as harmful when compared to order if things become fanatic.

[@JustALittleGhostOfHallownest]

@@vbnv-oz8bj”poisoning their minds” makes them easier to control, which is practical for a setting where the phrase “if one if us falls out of line, we all do” is the truth.

[@billyweed835]

I love how the two versions ultimately become near identical in the final verse, showing that, however different faith and order may be, they are, taken to extremes, the same: bloody-minded tyrants who kill all that oppose them and crush all hope beneath unceasing obedience and devotion. The jackboot and the theocrat, two sides of the same coin.

[@anonymeroverlord]

@Quodlibeta Except the theocrat will freeze because his belief has a weak impact on reality, while the jackboot survives by optimizing the people for the betterment of the entire colony.

[@noneofyourbusiness2437]

@Quodlibeta Part of that is because they aren't meant to last forever. We design stuff so it's easy to tear down if we want to build something new on top of it. If we wanted to we could build something that lasts hundreds of thousands if not millions of years, but we don't because that would be way more expensive and would be more difficult to replace with something even better later on. They built their stuff that way because they didn't have modern knowledge and technology and because they were planning on their religion lasting pretty much forever. If anything that is indicative of how religion causes stagnation rather than advancement. Such as how Christianity caused technological and scientific stagnation if not outright regression in a lot of cases for over a thousand years. In a situation such as Frostpunk, the only way to survive is with science and technology. As much as religion likes to claim miracles are possible, faith and superstition alone will not protect you from the cold or keep you from starving to death. No God or Gods will come save you. Only the hard work of Humans can ensure your survival. However, that is not to say religion isn't important. Some people really need it because the thought of dying and that truly being the end as they cease to exist scares them beyond belief. I know it certainly scares me. Personally I want to live to see the end of the universe, if not even beyond that into literal eternity if possible. However, religion is technically not necessary for survival. Personally, I believe all gods and all other creatures from all religions actually exist in a nonphysical realm, but they have little to no influence on the physical world, and _humans_ created _them_ through their mass belief and worship of them not the other way around. But who knows? It's irrelevant either way. Besides, most gods are stuck up, arrogant, self righteous, assholes with overly inflated egos and massive and undeserved superiority complexs anyways.

[@spacemarinechaplain9367]

none of your business So basically how gods are created in Warhammer 40k?

[@noneofyourbusiness2437]

@@spacemarinechaplain9367 Sorta but not really, I guess? It sort of depends on which gods from Warhammer 40k you're referring to. The Chaos gods weren't created so much through belief as they were formed from the collective thoughts and emotions of every living thing in the galaxy. I don't believe the collective emotions of every living thing on their own would actually create anything let alone anything that powerful given they would completely lack direction or coherency. If you're referring to the God Emperor of Mankind or possibly the Eldar gods though, then that's quite a bit closer of a comparison I guess. Sorta weird to think about it like that, honestly. Then again, certain things in Warhammer _do_ seem to resemble what I personally understand about real life metaphysics in _a few_ ways, just exaggerated to the point of complete and utter cartoonish ridiculousness and twisted and corrupted until it becomes unreasonably nightmarish, though it is very much it's own thing in a _lot_ other ways. You sure as shit aren't going to use any metaphysical realm for FTL travel in real life like they do in W40k. That's just not how things work. FTL travel is a physical thing and thus needs to be solved through physical means. And psykers aren't a thing. Or well, to be more accurate _everyone_ has psychic abilities it's just that you're never going to be shooting lightning from your fingertips like people can in stories or in movies. Maybe after a lifetime of dedicated practice and meditation and stuff you *might* be able to make a pencil slightly wobble abit, or maybe even make it roll across a table assuming you're particularly talented, but you're not going to do much else beyond that. Well, unless you die and decide to stick around in the physical world as a ghost or something for whatever reason but that's a whole different topic. Anyways, I believe what I believe -- whether I'm right or wrong -- and everyone else believes whatever else they believe. To each their own.

[@averongodoffire8098]

There’s no denying that

[@spar117maschief8]

Nice to know Article 13 didn’t kill Dan.

[@nomnomgoblin8901]

I mean it helps that the studio that made the game sponsored this :P

[@_Woody_]

It was an EU policy. So states have 2 years to enact a law that represents this policy, they have always some wiggle room but it musn't be too far from the original text.

[@nickgames1892]

Cant believe that shit pasted.

[@austinsourdiff3129]

Article 13 is what you get when you have people that don't know how alot of these sites work in detail start trying to pass laws to "regulate" it. They just don't realize how much publicity the movies and or games they make can get off youtube and other sites, they are potentially cutting their own profits down with this move

Because, why think for yourself, when you can stupidly parrot the alt-right that is howling against the EU and everything it does, including article 13?

[@MultiHydralisk]

Hm. Absolute faith vs absolute order? Why not both? *FAITH IN THE EMPEROR INTENSIFIES*

[@demon_xd_]

Finally the people realise the truth of the god-emperor

[@user-zt4gq3kw1s]

=][=

[@adamsalt9423]

worship that corpse all you want

[@JasonMTuftsify]

Due to the ending sadly I have to say Order won. As Faith left it up to the person to decide if they survived, and Order was a statement such as "We survived!".

[@ianthomas5082]

Yes

[@AfroLegacy]

Dan Bull vs The Stupendium? Yeah no way can a winner be picked, both are amazing 🔥🔥

[@gabrielheinz6845]

Let's settle this in a Scrabbull

[@Nightbreakeryt]

Agreed.

[@arthurrodriguez5015]

"Precious seconds each of us has spent completeing public penance could have been invested putting up the tents!" Damn bro, you won!

[@TheFaroe]

Nate Rod that line is fantastic.

[@Alexl23l273]

But order route has prisons that inprison people for 3 days while public penance just hurts some people.

[@seliamila1005]

@@Alexl23l273 thats same thing, i say the religion one is worse because they are hypocrite, pretend to be holy then burning people alive

[@haruki4k]

​@@Alexl23l273 order is direct raw and absolute while faith feeds people lies to keep their hope up. faith is against progression of humanity while order will progress no matter what since higher motivation keep people efficient and compliant the leader will decide to go that way if he wants to stay in power without having to deal with rebellions.

[@Toinkity]

​@@haruki4kPlaying the devil's advocate here as I do believe there isn't a single objective or better route, in my opinion. But I do believe you severely undersold Faith. What you said makes sense in the surface, but in the end, it seems rather biased is it not? Faith, despite it being a lie or not, is still helpful, not just for hope, but for passively maintaining order, trying to redeem and rehabilitate sinners rather than just imprisoning them, using church sermons to have some form of unity, where everyone isn't just "trying to survive" but rather "trying to reach a higher purpose" and that God is with them, these lies are synonymous to Order's propagandas, they use the same tactics in order to gain some form of unity and I fail to understand why you didn't address that. And let's try comparing these two to real life examples. Think of athiests nations that are highly authoritarian like North Korea, is North Korea the epitome of human progress? And I know a lot of irl theocracies are bad, but seriously, if full blown zero religion order does progress, then how come a lot of thriving civilizations today have at least a hint of faith in them? What about in history? Has there ever been an ancient civilization thats doesn't have religion in it? It doesn't because Faith has always been an integral aspect of keeping people together, it's a precursor to a lot of healthy civilizations that thrive. It's often needed when times are tough because people need to be somewhat illogical in order to keep going. And that despite the low chance of surviving the cold winter, the people are still hopeful and neglect all reason choosing to hold on due to belief. That's why a lot of nations and states that are completely athiest usually either crumble due to public dissent or just have to double down on their authority completely making their people feel misserable. It's easy to scoff at Faith and religion's usefulness in today's society where everything is handed to us, but the effects of faith and hope is very useful, especially in a lot of grim situations like Frostpunk where the people require really high hopes and unity and not just threats in order for them to work.

[@TheNzFox]

Now I was a 'Faith vs Order' DLC, where the path you don't pick starts up their own city that you must compete with

[@codexoflols9515]

That's actually a very interesting idea like if you choose order (my fav to go with) there would be like a group that doesn't agree and they split from the main group and starts up a new city and basically goes to war with your city and like it's like who wins, who lives longer.

[@Mamorufumio]

@@codexoflols9515 oh and because of the cold you can only really fight each other using ether automatons modified to carry guns or another steam punk war machines that are costly.

[@codexoflols9515]

@@Mamorufumio bro we just came up with a new DLC idea

[@Mamorufumio]

@@codexoflols9515 sounds like it. to be fair i always have been a fan of steampunk tech since i saw movies like steamboy and castle in the sky

[@codexoflols9515]

@@Mamorufumio I jut recently got into steampunk but so far it's really "cool"

[@PhantomDark221]

I was a little annoyed at the end of the first verse since it propped up Faith as so nice and fluffy and Order as soul crushing totalitarianism. Then y'all go and hit me with the second first about burning heretics vs actually building an infrastructure.

[@harlan7012]

Well I mean look at religious extremism. They act all nice and everything but as soon as a wrong thinking threat looms over they throw all that away for the meantime until they enact Their Crusade against the heathens.

[@CallMePoyo]

I think that's how it works on the game as well, neither side is good and both can be pushed into murderous controllers with a firm grip on their followers and people

[@henrycooper3431]

@@CallMePoyo stick with the Ark, it shall bring you the light of hope

[@CallMePoyo]

I've played all of them, and the ark ends right before the storm sooooo, maybe not

[@henrycooper3431]

@@CallMePoyo aw... but that is the perfect ending for me

[@danbull]

Who won and why was it me? See the alternate ending on The Stupendium’s channel here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIiadnxun9V0rbc Also… this is only the FIRST collaboration between the two of us. More to come...

[@edikrasniqi9790]

Joy?

[@Icarith]

I liked stupendiums first verse

[@illuminati955]

Will all the collabs be rap battles?

[@StayNPlayGames]

I’ve been waiting literally years for this collaboration... and it was worth the wait 😻 Can’t wait for more collabs from you two artists! And obviously Dan, it’s because Cheltnam does not accept defeat.

[@xorachul]

Lol

[@barge489]

I've been working on a D&D 5e campaign setting inspired by Frostpunk. I knew I was going to have some NPCs based and Dan Bull and Stupendium, started on rough designs and then they go and realise this gem. Definitely have a better picture now for them.

[@thecrtf4953]

Stupendum the one who leads the faithful And dan the one who orders with the word of law That sounds like an awesome campaign

[@the_protectorof_smols3563]

Also make it to where the gods are are ambiguous at best or clerics and paladins are power by thier own Sheer Belief to muddy the waters further

[@paulmahoney7619]

@@the_protectorof_smols3563 So like Ebberon, it's said in that world someone could manifest divine spells from belief in their shoelace if they truly believed it could grant them divine spells. Perhaps both followers of Order and Faith could manifest divine magic, Order as a sort of 'Will of the Law' justification, Faith believing it to be literally divine.

[@the_protectorof_smols3563]

@@paulmahoney7619 yeah kinda like that but remember that the belief has to be wholehearted and sincere otherwise your own subconscious will probably fuck up your ability to cast hell you can use that as a fucked up way to test for spys and "nonbelievers" if you felt so inclined

[@taegamerth2044]

How is the campaign? It's been 2 years and I'm kinda curious at how things go.

[@illuminati955]

Damn, that was fantastic! Order definitely won with "if the sun doesn't rise on our horizon we'll march on to spite the skies"

[@m00tes]

to spite the skies, is it supposed to mean like make the sky angry so the warmth comes in?

[@sandman2470]

@@m00tes more like order will push humanity forward towards survival against all odds, fighting against the cold that falls from the sky.

[@sandman2470]

Ariel Cahn the choir is singing yes but it’s more of a both sides point of view with the whole beginning line of “morning gathering or evening prayer” talking about law choices you can make if you choose order or faith

[@charlesdewitt8087]

That's the chorus. It belongs to neither side.

[@sarojolibois6088]

"Against elements precious seconds each of us has spent Completing public penance could have been used putting up the tents" That line got the order winning to me

[@NinethieMusic]

Time to break the ice, I have faith in the Order Great track, love the alternate endings

[@danbull]

You made the right choice. You will be spared.

[@cyborglion4179]

All hail the bull

[@andreesapissarra]

You have "faith"? FETCH THE COILED ROPE!!!

[@henrycooper3431]

@@andreesapissarra and hang em in the neck until the lesson is learned

[@PENTAGRAMMAINCOMM]

No forgivance for giving attention to those worthless sermons!

[@smigleson]

there is one overwhelming truth in Dan's line that makes me think he won this battle for honesty alone by saying it clearly. "If a single person falls out of line, we all do" That single line is what motivated our ancestors in the real world to build a society and civilization in the first place. Since in frostpunk nature has forced us to a "do or die" situation like our fathers before us, the first Men, we returned to a place where there is no room for error no room for freedom. Presuming that the captain *DOES NOT* live in luxury and free from work like the totalitarism in modern worlds shown us, If he truly leads discipline by exemple, there is no sin in what he does. While faith tries to bind our soul through hope in a prophet, the captain binds hope in our work as a comunity to survive through sheer will and discipline, that alone is a miracle if you ask me.

[@smigleson]

@@steve6646 I see, well it makes sense that as time goes by faith becomes more important, and little by little a new cultural civilization is born through it to the point that order begins to serve faith, as it was in this way that our ancestors paved the way for future generations. though this process did take a long way i agree with you on what you said. I guess the way i meant to make my point was that this situation as presented by the game takes place in the very first years of the founding of this new london and so when in the middle of grievance for the life of confort that people lost, to make a stand and work together through order was the best they could to survive as there was much to be done, and the captain actually managing to do that would be a miracle itself. And yes the line of Dan about falling out of line could be applied through unity through faith

[@DTfan43]

Our intelligence is the difference. In no way should liberty go out the door just because life around us has gone to shit.

[@skypianoprogression1942]

@@DTfan43 You can't free yourself of your need to eat.

[@skell6134]

@@DTfan43 Then you can die on street from hunger but be free tho :p

[@DTfan43]

@@skell6134 If you think oppression is necessary, even in the worst of times, then you will be no savior of mine. At no point is dehumanizing someone worth it. Shit, just open a history book and see for yourself.

[@mallencons1827]

In preparation for Frostpunk 2, a Last Autumn Engineers VS Workers rap would be awesome.

[@nemraps]

Oh my gawd. This video!

[@Darkempiredb]

Order above Faith! Reason above Emotion! Stupendium above Dan! ...wait....damnit

[@edgemarquis5205]

to say you guys have outdone this would be an understatement it sounds like a disney song where the protagonist is also a villain singing off against the main villain

[@killerhellhound]

I think this would be closer to two villains having a sing off.

[@thecrtf4953]

@@killerhellhound not villains- they are 2 people who know that the extremes must be done to focus the people for the day the generator is destroyed or goes cold is the day the city and its occupants die May it be by the word of faith and guidance to bring hope and prevent morale from falling Or may it be the path of order and law that focuses the people and keeps them in line and keeps the peace In such a case like this the extremes must be taken if anyone is to survive

[@henrycooper3431]

@@thecrtf4953 the generator will survive if you replace the heat core instead of saying nah its fine and let the generator to broke down badly

[@Grovel007]

If Dan does not come out with an outer worlds rap, I’m releasing a diss track.

[@thething225able]

Brill Dan's clap back would be epic 😅

[@josh5811]

🎵 so come on out to the outer worlds 🎵

[@h0rnet601]

@@josh5811 There's ample opportunity, so help yourself!

[@oogatz1917]

@@h0rnet601 it was so good

[@mikepatnope1446]

*roles up in a truck*GET IN WERE WIGHTING A DISSTRACK

[@luska5522]

Its so nice when the chorus comes in. The first part is somewhat Gregorian and the second is more military like

[@steliosvagianos8445]

the chorus is amazing,, it game the chills

[@charlesdewitt8087]

I like that the background changes as the two sides get more and more dark.

[@lilstarjester3927]

Wdym by that what changes?

[@redlord1660]

@@lilstarjester3927 Go onto the second chorus. The Church glass transforms into people following the priest instead of looking up towards the light, and the posters change from "Earn your bread" to "Make your pledge", multiple of them do, and 'Disloyal' can be seen written on the wall with blood.

[@lilstarjester3927]

@@redlord1660 okay thank you (:

[@redlord1660]

@@lilstarjester3927 fuck you

[@henrycooper3431]

@@redlord1660 or like when the guards turn from holding the lanterns with a "peacekeeping" pose to holding guns with agressive pose

[@BaronQuertier]

I mustve watched this quite literally 40 times over the last couple of days and I can't get over how well written it is. I am not a fan of rap but this is true raw talent, pure poetry perhaps. Works so well for Frostpunk but would fit in almost any apocalyptic settings.

[@AnonYmous-dh2zt]

Same. Works on my stellaris playthroughs weirdly. Even though all my stellaris playthroughs are post-apocalyptic

[@soldierstride554]

Alternate Ending Comparisons: Order: Now the book of laws have closed You've no hope to try and fight As the people fall in line And march in time with iron might Non believers shan't deceive us We shall greet their cheek With grievance In this ceaseless season We redeem the meek with bleak obedience Seeking each unheeding heathen See them bleed or plead allegiance Blessed be relief from freedom Lest you feel the need for treason Since the precept was decreed It's certainty was predetermined Mere vermin are the people Thus they need to be subservient They deserve paternal leadership Eternally prescriptive Turn a leaf in the journal Weep as you read the scriptures The book of laws is closed It's frozen shut And couldn't thaw But should the storm subside It might be time to write a couple more Faith: Now the book of laws have closed And it's pages shine a light As the people fill the shrines In line with my divine right This battlement of sacraments As chattel to our rite The sacrilegious and recalcitrant Shall vow or face the smite Non believers shan't deceive us We shall greet their cheek With grievance In this ceaseless season We redeem the meek with bleak obedience Seeking each unheeding heathen See them bleed or plead allegiance Blessed be relief from freedom Lest ye feel the need for treason Since the precept was decreed Its certainty was predetermined Mere herds of sheep are people Thus they need to be subservient 'Neath so turbulent a firmament The worst of men survive Pray their mercy may preserve us Once we touch the other side

[@FurryEncyclopaedia]

This should be very helpful for any one that is still deciding on the side they chose, good job.

[@joshuarivera6918]

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!

[@ghosttroop115]

The thing is, both sides are equal (morally, not verbally). Cause they both have good and bad aspects

[@robertcampbell3019]

At the end, Id rather have extreme order

[@cyborglion4179]

@@robertcampbell3019 same

[@mr.j7444]

think long term order is likely to be the least damaging to humanity after the storms pass faith faith is a poison that shall take many generations to fade. once the biting chill subsides and the new summer comes order will slowly crumble.

[@ShockFist]

@@mr.j7444 I think while that is possible, history has shown that order (roman empires extreme powers) arent always done away with after the fact, that sometimes power isnt easily surrendered. In all honest, both sides have merits, but a governing body should be formed from all ideals and one goal - survival and betterment of its people. On their own, neither has longevity nor quality of life after the winter thaws, balance must be created and established in stone.

[@mr.j7444]

@@ShockFist faith resists balance rome fell and no longer holds sway outside the ideals of freedom it developed. but the vatican stands as an international body with immense power to this day. the path of order in frostpunk isnt good correct but thinking logically its the better for humanity after the winter passes.

[@RoarTheRapper]

That singing is absolutely “stupendous”. 😉

[@arandomguy8771]

Boo

[@lillypad6936]

Nice. A much better joke Dan I can come up with.

[@olorinmagus4479]

Order because of the refrain. “If that sun won’t rise on our horizon, then we’ll march on to spite the skies”

[@AJPDing]

I absolutely love how both endings are functionally identical, much like the end laws of either path. Says a-lot about both paths.

[@Catullus_J_5]

Okay, but Dan’s line delivery all throughout is nothing short of chilling. Bravo, sir.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

I love the chorus. I can totally picture the workers singing it in the mines and factories.

[@aqua7701]

holy shit yeah

[@justsammy2023]

I love the use of lines from your respective raps

[@wb5629]

I m on order side. In this kind of situation, I'd rather have a dictator than have a liar

[@stretopovermind9680]

Order. All the way. This said, what we really need is a song about the true unsung heroes of the Frostpunk - *Automatons* . Those huge beasts of metal, who worked, unflinchingly, while those puny meatbags were all too busy screaming at each other, running away from the furnace, evading work and so on.

[@flashlynx2209]

The visuals are *extremely* on point this video, everything from costumes to fonts etc

[@bernardcaius8187]

Elsa and Anna return to Arendelle "Oh guys we can't leave for a few weeks aren't we? How the heck this happened?"

[@cypher160manny2]

honestly if frozen was more darker this probably would happen

[@kierangorman3052]

I like that in the final verse for Order, Dan starts using religious terminology like "seeking each unheeding heathen" showing that both paths lead to the same sort of tyranny if taken too far.

[@theoverseer6494]

I'll choose order over faith anyday. There is no God of The Generator, the God won't save you. We just need to come together and work to battle against cold eternal winter.

[@khloeg1649]

Prayer and psalms get you nowhere here. Take heed, but take no pity, for the city must survive.

[@xjdjaws]

1:30 Best part in my eyes

[@finaladvance5085]

I stand with order

[@michaeljohnson5167]

That moment when you realize Stupes is in his own audience. Also great song as usual you classy Brits.

[@FurryEncyclopaedia]

Ha, didn't notice. Though it is something thst Stupes would do.

[@cobaltCarnivore]

Looking closer, is he the goggle-boy at 3:57? In Dan's audience?

[@FurryEncyclopaedia]

@@cobaltCarnivore Yes that is him as well. Only notice it my self on my 5th or 6th time watching it. Makes me wonder how many times he's done it in past videos and I've just completely missed it.

[@jordanbuckingham8117]

Whoever posts a 10 hour loop of the chorus is the winner cuz hot damn I can listen to that forever.

[@user-jf5gm1bt4h]

>How could a benevolent god subject us to such events? Valid question.

[@raemont1328]

Frostpunk: Exists Dan Bull: *NO SHELTER FROM THE STORM* Also, free Views

[@TheLangenator]

“Shelter from the storm” was also the name of Stupendium’s frostpunk rap

[@Sewblon]

Both sides mimic what they supposedly hate about the other in the final verse, with Faith becoming more oppressive and Order becoming more religious.

[@kustRC]

Золотые слова, Величайший и Незаменимый Капитан величайшего Ебеньграда на свете Вульф!

[@GoTfan-eb8tk]

One thing I noticed across both versions is that the final lines could hint at some regret for the paths that have been chosen by both leaders. The priest in the Fatih version concludes with "Pray their mercy will deliver us when we touch the other side." It perhaps hints that the priest knows he is doing wrng, and hopes that he will be forgiven for it when he eventually dies. The Captain in the Order version ends with "Should the storms subside, it might be time to write a couple more." This might be getting tothe Captain developing a lust for power, but ultimately, I think that the laws he plans to write afterwards might have more to do with trying to restore some idealism .

[@draydinbardon9782]

Db is such a genius, ive listened to this like 50 times and just caught that one line "fetch the coiled rope and hang them by the necks until its 'taut/Taught', the lesson learned is certain" That is so clever god damn.

[@sonicducktheinoccent]

Loving the dual upload

[@user-ft7fq4ou4v]

Got the notification for the Stupendium upload, and then went down to the comments and followed the link here.

[@danbull]

You could say there are DUAL purposes!

[@sonicducktheinoccent]

@@danbull Come for the raps, stay for the puns.

[@avaius]

We wanted an epic battle, and wow we got one

[@TheCoffeeBird]

I've gone through the game, and I've tried both parts. Now, I always went order personally. And that's because shit, these are going to be tough times. The people there don't have the time to sit on their knees and pray. I found it wasteful. Free time is one thing, but you gotta have that stiff upper lip, suck it up and try and keep on trucking. In truth there is no right nor wrong answer or approach. Faith or Order. It depends on point of view. But I know that both routes can be just as bad, or corrupt. I know its just a video game, but its supposed to be a game that holds some morale to it. But really, there is no true "Right" nor "Wrong" more on that it has differing paths that use different solutions in desperate times. Like the song as well!

[@thecrtf4953]

Same I always went the path of order cause this is a time were even the slightest riot,or large scale conflict and it halts generator supplying or damages it, then everyone - the common man,his family,his friends,the leaders, will all die without the generators warmth

[@tonyblitz1]

You say that, but faith can bolster morale and inspire people to accomplish or endure almost anything. There's a reason it's called a Puritan work ethic.

[@krutslikspitepaw1313]

Order above all! Long live our Great Captain!

[@landenbarten994]

"The book of laws is closed, it's frozen shut and couldn't thaw But should the storm subside it may be time to write a couple more." Most underrated lyric in the video.

[@SnoodleNoodles]

>"The death of joy, division made a new order." >i see what you did Dan.

[@LonelyTengu]

Absolutely loved the chorus of the two singing together. Different paths, same impossible goal.

[@somberskies4050]

In my opinion the final line by dan "... And should the storm subside it might be time to write a couple more" would conclude with: to forgive the atrocitys we are about to commit

[@brodenmcdougall2698]

It feels like Stupendium and Danbull's previous frostpunk songs has them come to the conclusion of the faction they represent in this one, like in Stupendium's, the final verse is very sacrificial, and almost spirtual, andDanbull talks about a world of frigid ice on the verge of anarchy, the only man who could lead the remnants of mankind being himself. so if both of your songs were foreshadowing this collabs conflict? I gotta say , you guys have some enviable organization skills!

[@hello_antxnio]

Is that a Dansonn beat I hear?! Y'all killed it!

[@danbull]

It is... Put on your Dansonn shoes!

[@catchupkorndog5872]

(If that sun wont rise on our horizon we'll march on to spite the skies) is a very inspirational line

[@hakont.4960]

Bah, screw the sun, we'll just drill for more coal and crank up the generator so it'll glow like our own little sun.

[@egregiousarts6088]

"Weep as you read the scriptures" (stank face) Damn, Dan!!! I like Stupendium's overall presentation, and rhyme schemes, and message, but lines like this, and "hang them by their necks until it's taut (taught) the lesson learned is certain" is some GOD TIER WORDPLAY! Too close to call imo.

[@AntenneaChan]

the production that went into this is amazing, it was SUCH a joy to watch Order def wins, but i'm biased, order was always my favorite faction haha

[@koscheiivanovisch4540]

I love you, Dan

[@devin2251]

Nothin like the british wanting another crusade 😂

[@jannes1694]

2:17 Shit, he knows we watching!

[@SlendHQ]

God has given him sight, RUUUN!!

[@lonelyteapot858]

order always wins i mean, you can't expect faith to save you in the deathly cold weather while you pray also order clothes have always been more practical

[@fbi1319]

@@steve6646 who says the order doesn't have faith?

[@jacobwaring9913]

@@fbi1319 Who says faith doesn't have order.

[@jorgen7702]

Also order buildings are more practical

[@RadShiba]

To be honest my man! This is my favourite song so far because it’s a beautiful balance between musical and rap but also with a hint of real world problems. Both sides right in certain ways but no side overpowers the other. And the chorus is an amazing summary of the game. A true masterwork

[@hyhena-gaming9986]

A order vs faith scenario sounds like a good dlc, where you have to keep the two from destroying eachother in your city

[@SkallKiller]

I dislike how Frostpunk feels the need to cast judgement on your actions. Given the circumstance; where is *"The Line"* and, more poignantly: *AT WHAT POINT IS IT CROSSED?*--Is it when we utilize child labor? Is it when we let our people starve or get sick so we can focus on getting more coal? Is it, perhaps, when we brandish a weapon to our citizens or bend the truth to make them more pliant? It doesn't particularly matter what your own moral code has to say on these things as the game uses a point-system to mathematically calculate your morality. You can do *all* of the above *without* crossing *"THE LINE."* A Captain's first and foremost priority is to keep the generator functioning--fail to do this and *everyone* dies. In such an extreme scenario what right does anyone living in a well-developed, modern society have to judge the decisions of someone in such a position... Provided, of course, that the Captain does indeed consider the generator their top priority. Way I see it: You can "survive" without food, *for a time.* You can "survive" without medical care, *for a time.* You can "survive" 24 hour shifts in the coal mines, *for a time.* You can "survive" having your childhood stripped away by the necessity of labor, *for a time.* You can "survive" guards who're going to beat the daylights out of you for complaining about any of this, *for a time.* You *cannot* survive, in any capacity, without the generator--not for long, at least. Neither can the Captain and his guards, nor your family or your friends or your neighbors--*everyone is bound to the generator.* In this nightmare-scenario I ask again: *What right have we--has anyone--to judge?* I speak not to endorse tyranny, of course, but I think ideally Frostpunk should have left it to the players to cast moral judgement on themselves... Though, I'm sure that's what many people who play the game do anyway. Honestly it's just a gripe I have with games that give you 'points' towards good and evil.

[@LastZepp1]

TBH you are making a good point, BUT - Im more convinced that game doesnt *judge* you, it just presenting you with consequence of your decisions. Its not saying you are bad for doing it - its saying here it is - deal with it. Its a massive pro for the game as for me for the same reasons i liked "This war of mine". Moral is always grey. And when the game can display it properly - its a success.

[@SkallKiller]

@@LastZepp1 That's fair enough, actually. I actually love how Frostpunk handles showing you the unfiltered reality of your decisions, and even how it describes your actions at the end of the game... The one phrase that provoked me to form that massive comment though was at the end of the game with: *"We didn't/did cross the line."* --Though in retrospect I appreciate that it ends with the question -*-"Was it worth it?"-*--- a question. Mainly though, I think that simply showing the reality of what you're doing is preferable to using any kind of 'system' for it. I don't think morality can be calculated mathematically, and that's all a games' system really is at the end of the day--math.

[@Irishcrossing]

crossing the line is usually when you take that extreme position in order for absolute obedience. I remember it being an act of desperation, as in the final commitment was not for the survival of the city, but to esnure of your control over the people. Where controling an angry mob is not to stop them from stealing food or coal, but to stamp out the rabble. Where propaganda and lintanies stop preaching "we can do it together" to "obey the first captain". Where citizens will turn on each other to root out heresy or dissidence. idk, it may just be arbitrary morality nonsense, I just see the line as the actions of which stopped being about the city's survival and for the need for control for the captain.

[@jamestown8398]

It could be said that you "cross the line" when your actions stop being about the survival of mankind and instead become for your personal power or aggrandizement. A well-meaning Captain who makes difficult choices for the sake of saving his people can be forgiven, but a Machiavellian one who merely uses a crisis to establish himself as a dictator can not.

[@SkallKiller]

@@jamestown8398 Well, that is one way to look at what amounts to math-morality.

[@InnocentBlaze686]

Bruh, that chorus is amazing! Exemplified both sides; the choir of one and the iron hand of the other

[@adedalfrost8221]

3:55 This guy in the crowd looks pretty enthusiastic

[@patrickbrown3422]

Damn this gives me some ideas for some Warhams 40k Necromunda gangs. Also sold me on the game, awesome work.

[@Malu-di1ur]

This video is so good!! From the visuals to the song, I love it, it really shows that there was a lot of thought put into it

[@xj770HUN]

Order all the way!

[@Israelpwn]

I have been snoozing on Dan Bull for a while now, but I'm glad to see that you haven't deteriorated one bit. As an added bonus, I now discovered The Stupendium :) Also, the animations + costumes are gorgeous! Who makes them? Do you have a team now?

[@laxpors]

Now that is an awesome chorus! Best one of your songs in awhile dan!

[@lechking941]

a note to the corse witch i love as it is stupendium's stranth is the last 2 parts with the heel of progress and shelter from the storm, oh god i love both of thoes songs and its nice to see them backed up here so to give a story for the 3 songs i wish to have the story continue for i cant keep the game going thinks to coal being a bigger worrie thought food never seamed to exist but we lived :\ till we froze

[@quince537]

Great beat and flow, I liked stupendium's dramatic movement

[@hansnichirin11]

like always nice with awesome voice

[@gertigegollari2456]

Wow. Subnautica and Frostpunk. Two of my FAVOURITE games have been rapped by you. Thanks!

[@amirhaikal8304]

everyone knows that obedience is better in every single conceivable way

[@ajduong]

Could you guys do a Workers Vs Engineers Rap for the Last Autumn?

[@ozmoose7215]

Probably the best rap either of you have created, this is the 9th time I've played this since i found it an hour ago

[@Punkwhiper]

My god this is so artistically beautiful. My second time watching this and I’m noticing all the small changes not only in the lyrics but in the artwork too. How as you go farther down each of the trees that the backgrounds during the chorus are changing like the stain glass and the posters are showing different and more loyal pictures to the final outcome of the trees.

[@harleyk9_]

Great song! Amazing job, I loved the effects and editing as well as the lyrics!

[@GreenGhost93]

Now I can't wait to see the Labour Union vs Factory Inspectorate rap battle :)

[@marks7484]

@National Christian Front that's the thing, they don't. They are victorian era low class workers, some of them probably doesn't know how to write. They simply can't understand the stakes, or refuse to understand.

[@NotBamOrBing]

@@marks7484 or they don't want to die while the people ordering them to go work in horrendous conditions aren't risking anything except their jobs "we're trying to save the world" is all well and good but they have families that they need to feed who will starve and probably freeze if they die and stop getting paid. they're not trying to stop you building the Generator, they're trying to *survive* building the generator

[@marks7484]

@@NotBamOrBing here's the thing, like i said, they don't understand what's happening above them. I TOO don't wan't htem to die, and even when i comply to their ridicilous demands, there is little progress with the generator, motivation is low, and sometimes, it forces me to make decisions that WILL kill people. I get your point, but it still is clear as day that these workers don't have even the half of the picture...

[@PiedPiperProjects]

The real winner is that hook. Pure Frostfire.

[@theremixer9000]

I've had this in my Watch Later for ages and finally got around to watching it. Amazing!

[@slyscott1430]

Easily one of my favorite songs you've made. Thank you for this amazing content.

[@fallanor3]

For me, order without proclaiming ''The New Order'' is the best outcome for the city.

[@IgnatRemizov]

I think Dan won by popularity, but, me being objective, my vote is for The Stupendium for spitting fire to keep us warm

[@TheStupendium]

You are correct ;) Thanks!

[@an1m8r]

"For a city is it's people, and it's people are it's heart, stood together gainst the weather, gainst the coming of the dark!" is best line by miles for me, and admittedly one of the few I can keep pace with. Awesome work!

[@crystalminds4558]

Dannnnnnnnnnnnnn you and stupendium need to make more music together. This was just as fantastic as the first frostpunk rap. Truly Legendary 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@EpochWin]

How can a song be so cold and so fire?!?!