Frozen Theory: The Trolls Are The Real Villains

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

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[@jordanez6441]

Will do!

[@risafistfightstheib]

Sad it's at like 3 am for my country. 😭

[@chantillystreet7239]

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[@themanbehindtheslaughter7633]

its like 1 am here when it starts

[@shika15]

I have work 😩

[@arielsteinsaltz1956]

“Hide Elsa’s powers” was terrible advice.

[@moonchild4648]

to be fair, they never said that, it was the king's idea

[@gaileygirl]

you should watch the "How It Should Have Ended" vid haha

[@joshuadesautels]

"Fear will be your enemy." Grand Pabbie really meant Elsa's OWN fear, but the king misunderstood, and assumed he meant OTHER PEOPLE'S fear.

[@tobybartels8426]

It was good advice, terribly explained.

[@MrGabeanator]

yeah

[@Enntomo]

Anyone going to acknowledge the fact that the grandpa troll didn't fix Anna's "brainfreeze". He legit just changed up her memories.

[@InternalChickens]

Mhm

[@whatusernameis5295]

no what I think was gonna happen was that Anna would have eventually frozen solid like she ended up doing in F2. what he probably did was basically just isolate Elsa's ice as that was all he could do. I think he even says that. plus he definitely did do more then just erase her memories as Anna was knocked unconscious when Elsa hit her and remained unconscious at least to that point

[@kristinahuchison2511]

@@whatusernameis5295no. He NEVER said removing her memories was required for the healing spell to work. All he says is it’ll be better for both sisters if Anna doesn’t know about her powers. That’s literally the same mentality as keeping a kid with a mental disorder away from their sibling because “your brother is wired differently”

[@Emoo]

Elsa’s Parents literally locked her up because she has bad aim

[@jakewoodhouse9817]

That is depressingly accurate

[@staceylee4081]

To be fair to Elsa: 1) I think she slipped on ice as she was "firing" 2) Anna was being reckless and didn't consider if Elsa would able to keep up with her

[@lewisbeer6156]

Elsa's parents locked her up because she had bad aim, at 11 years old with no training on how to control her abilities 😂

[@9nikola]

Literally the opposite of Merida from Brave.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

9nikolai Merida’s father at least encouraged her interest, while her mother...not so much. Not until getting turned into a bear inadvertently by her daughter who just wanted her mother to understand her (and she already felt just as terrible for destroying Merida’s favorite bow as Merida does about destroying her mother’s family tapestry)

[@silversamurai0267]

Fun fact: My dad *immediately* called Hans out for being the bad guy when we first watched Frozen. After his introduction scene, my dad leaned over to me and said, "He seems sketchy. I don't trust him." XD Your mom has deadly accurate "warm fuzzies" and my dad has deadly accurate "plot-twist sixth sense". Together, they would be unstoppable.

[@christianali5431]

I would actually be careful of your dad. There’s every possibility that he has actually done this to a girl before. Not the violent thing of almost killing her, but rather pretending to be really, really charming when he really had his own agenda the whole time.

[@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813]

@@christianali5431 Dude. There's no need at all to make assumptions about someone's family. I can almost see where you're coming from, but it comes off super rude in the context of being someone's family.

@@christianali5431 I think that about your father. Seems like you know quiet well about the subject. Suspicious indeed.

[@whatusernameis5295]

lol yeah if you watch cinemawin's (or actually it would be the Cinematherapy channel) video on him, you would see that there are other scenes where Hans is kinda leaving clues that he isn't what he says he is. they don't pick up on the introduction scene but pretty much all the others they pick up on

[@exosluckyone]

i also thought he was evil on my 1st watch as a kid lol. he just has bad vibes

[@willowthewisp8085]

“Leaves them in total ICE-olation” Ok I’ll leave

[@evelynrowenadawn]

Don't leave.

[@camo6465]

So I wasn’t the only one thinking that

[@iamironman3388]

That’s something an old friend of mine would have said

[@haleykantor6409]

Bu dum tsh! ! ! !

[@rekhads6839]

water you say

[@lightningmcqueenstan]

Ben: This is why I keep telling J that we need to have a summer home is Norway. J: and I keep saying yes. Ben: Do you see, what I'm dealing with here? I'm never gonna have clear ice! J: I'm looking at listings right now. me: dying with laughter

[@jasonsomers8224]

don't get a summer home in Norway, get a summer CASTLE in Norway.

[@8Forester]

Castle Con!

[@jordanez6441]

Popcorn at the moviessss

[@laurynwalton]

Castle con!!

[@evlovesbooks]

Don't forget the buns glazing.

[@legomandalore1770]

CASTLE CON

[@amokriinprolgiid3409]

Unpopular opinion: "Love is an Open Door" was a song about psychopathic manipulation If you listen to it, his opening "maybe it's the party talking, or the chocolate fondue" was the kid friendly equivalent to the phrase, "man, how drunk am I?", A phrase used to get people to loosen up, and lower their expectations of you at parties. And throughout the song, Anna was leading during the "cute" parts. When Hans actually was leading, it was always really generic stuff that was clearly him trying to get her to play along and look like a couple. Let's be honest here, he was not going to say sandwiches, and we all know it. And the part that pulls it all together is that Hans, the guy who clearly had been outside and should know how social convention works, proposes after meeting her for a day. An action that is clearly taking advantage of a girl who clearly doesn't understand how socializing works.

[@hunterolaughlin]

Thank you! I’ve known that the entire time, but people still forget there was obvious clues in “Love Is An Open Door” that foreshadowed his true colors and still subtly built the twist. They still complain that Hans did a complete 180 without any subtle hints and indications.

[@crollerlive]

Also Him "trying" to save Elsa makes sense cause he wants to look like the good guy and make Elsa's death look like an accident. If you watch the part where he grabs the guys arm to stop him from shooting Elsa with the crossbow he looks up first then grabs the guys arm which makes the bolt hit the chandelier and almost hit Elsa, he meant for the bolt to do that.

[@whatusernameis5295]

I see somebody who has also watched cinemawin's video on hans ;) or else you're far more observant then me lol

[@amokriinprolgiid3409]

@@whatusernameis5295 haven't seen it. I don't watch cinemawins, just cinemasins.

[@whatusernameis5295]

@@amokriinprolgiid3409 oh ok. then we're opposites because I only watch cinemawins lol also about Hans face under the boat I could see that being evil because he could potentially have realized exactly how easy it would be to manipulate Anna and thus was genuinely happy. other media that potrays villians has probably twisted what we think of as a evil smile.

[@kendallschaefer8184]

“I’m looking at listings right now” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 thank you guys

[@ishikadevaiah8745]

Look at listings for a castle first tho! #castlecon 😂😂😂

[@daniellesargent7992]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@christinariggins3481]

Wonder if he found any good ones

[@Jenny-iw8rj]

Popcorn at the Movies!!!

[@BiteSizedCrafter]

Hejehe

[@zohabaig6426]

“Their main goal seems to be, get Kristoff married. And they don’t seem to care what he thinks about it” Ah yes, a motivation every Indian mother is familiar with

[@courtney-ray]

114 of these likes are from Preeti on Indian Matchmaking

[@aichitoshiki1321]

AHAHAHA

[@ginastanziale8398]

HAHAHAHA

[@kristynguyen3990]

lol learned something new today

[@miaisjustokay]

That is a truly Indian reference. So Hahahahaha🤣🤣😂🤣😂

[@someone-you-do-not-know8522]

Wish they had mentioned changelings too when discussing Kristoff’s kidnapping. Changelings are children switched with a chins of Fae in Scandinavian (and some other countries’) myths, and I feel that what the trolls did to Kristoff was reminiscent of that. Another suspicious thing is that Kristoff is clearly loyal to the trolls (They’re his family), and getting him married to a princess or a queen would be very beneficial in one way or another to the trolls. I don’t trust the trolls in Frozen. I never have.

[@Jana-fc4gl]

They did mention the changelings in an older video where they discussed what could have happened to Kristoff's real parents ^^

[@Mjgaming54321]

Is it bad I know about this from their old video, which I forgot about, and of course... Pokémon

[@Hessed3712]

Someone-you-do-not-know Oh that is creepy.

[@rockfan243]

I mean doesn't Elsa give the throne to Anna in the sequel to Frozen so that means Anna is Queen and Kristoff will be king and the trolls literally control the Throne of the human Kingdom might have been their plan all along.

[@Airair963]

Kristoff: Enough! She's engaged to someone else, okay? Trolls: So, she's a bit of a fixer upper That's a minor thing Her quote "engagement" is a flex arrangement And by the way, I don't see no ring So, she's a bit of a fixer upper Her brain's a bit betwixt Get the fiancé out of the way And the whole thing will be fixed!

[@christianali5431]

So the girl is a bit of a fixer-upper, But we know exactly what to do. Yes, the perfect way to stop the fiancé, Is to turn him evil through and through.

[@listinglazily]

This bit of the song drives me nuts everytime.

[@paytonreidst5454]

@@listinglazily I skip it every time

[@jordanez6441]

The script for this video was hilarious. Who cares if this theory isn’t new. MatPat’s doesn’t have Ben ranting about clear ice.

[@sceptileswordsman7152]

Their both really good videos and I love that someone else took up this idea and look at it after Frozen 2.

[@typhoon2840]

@@sceptileswordsman7152 it helps to have multiple creators covering similar ideas for more accurate confirmation

[@LeeAnnC]

This!

[@quistmcgrath181]

Yeah, but you guys also go into more detail by talking about when the trolls change Hans's mind.

[@avacuffari6475]

But matpat better

[@gabriellehufford]

"Let's just be clear here: Consent NOT be darned." -Ben 2020

[@Vex-sn7ne]

Me years ago: I swear those trolls are up to something. Me 1 year go: watches matpat film theory. I knew it but I still have a few doubts Me today: my prophet has blessed us with new knowledge.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

Vex 9999 Pretty much yeah

[@taramcareavey6723]

Me too!!!

[@nyx_writes4201]

Of course him telling Anna his entire plan makes sense. Every good twist villain has to have a monologue scene. Everyone knows that.

[@ravensilverthorne8968]

I found it way too adorable when he was talking about his mums 'warm fuzzies' it made my heart melt ❤️

[@savannahwestover2538]

Same

[@tia5827]

i felt warm fuzzies when he was talking about it

[@chezariethames6907]

"Potato Protrolltho" sounds like a Harry Potter spell...

[@jessicaren3770]

lo valenza you are awesome

[@TheFelisz]

Im wheezing cause it does sound like it indeed

[@christianali5431]

I’m assuming that it causes potatoes to shoot places like projectile weapons.

[@chezariethames6907]

@@christianali5431 yep, sounds about right 😆😆😆

[@christianali5431]

@lo valenza there is potato, and then there is patrol, as in A military operation.

[@the8thloser539]

Ben: The trolls are the true villains of frozen! Me: Guess they're the true ones that are in need of a bit of a fixer upper.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

The8th Loser ...that song is so incredibly disturbing...

[@haleykantor6409]

Bu dum tsh!!!

[@LordEmperorHyperion]

That's what I've been saying all this time when Frozen was still in cinemas, the fixer upper is a dead giveaway!

[@Kelarys]

What if...Kristoff is the true villain and was in cahoots with the Trolls the whole time and totally got away with it

[@Kelarys]

or what if Kristoff learns that Anna was tricked into being with him and feels just as betrayed by the people he thought was his family.

[@Spyrois2cool]

I actually have a lil theory. What if Hans actually WAS a genuine nice person, but when he is told "If anything happens to the princess, you are all Arendelle has left.", he became a more stressed and began to make bad choices. This ties into "Fixer Upper", which literally has the line, "People make bad choices when they're mad or scared or stressed." Hans felt genuinely concerned for Anna. That one line just elated his emotions further.

[@blinks4ever969]

Oh. Makes sense to me.

[@Mcnerd213]

My oldest brother has been saying the trolls are evil since they first said “Get the fiancé out of the way” and hans turned out to be evil after that genuine smile of joy when no one was looking . Edit, wow, you guys covered almost everything that my brother used as evedince.

[@Ladya-eg7yp]

Oh god!!!

[@Mcnerd213]

Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez this theory was a thing since before matpat covered it, there were articles and web pages that my brother used to help support his argument long before matpats video came out. Cant really claim scb stole from matpat specifically when he technically stole the idea too.

[@joshuab4586]

Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez jeez you don’t got anything better to do than spam the same message? You know you’re increasing this video’s trendability with every comment right?

[@alyssa6918]

@Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez people can see your comments even if it's not addressed to them. You don't have to reply to everyone saying the same thing

[@alyssa6918]

@Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez that's fine, but just try not to spam

[@RakiOsrez]

I just thought Hans was being very manipulative. He "saved" Elsa in front of the soldiers (witnesses) in order to become both the people's hero by stopping Elsa, and Anna's hero by saving Elsa's life. Well played. The choices he made after that, however, didn't make a lot of sense.

[@MGvdHorst]

Yes. Also note that he peeks up at the chandelier for a moment before redirecting the crossbow. I think he was planning to look like a hero who tried his best, but Elsa still accidentally died.

[@jorjaguinan6173]

Me: sees title thinking that can't be true. Also me: watches to be convinced at the end that the trolls are the real villains.

[@futurechemist3852]

That was me when I first started watching their videos now I know they will always convinced me in the end.

[@ohjoy915]

Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez It doesn’t mean he copied it some people have similar ideas

[@ohjoy915]

Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez Still doesn’t mean he copied it

[@jordanmckchicken3865]

@Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez that's like saying the Disney movies are copied from fairy tales. Yes they were inspired but doesn't mean it was copied

[@anonymousfellow8879]

Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez It’s an incredibly common theory, MatPat only covered it before he did years ago. But, last I checked multiple people can cover the same theory (and I think he actually presented a few things that MatPat didn’t. But I’m not exactly a MatPat fan so I’m not going to skim his 30+ minute video to know for sure)

[@shadowshade904]

About him saving Elsa: I think there are two reasons for this. One, he needs her to tell him where Anna is because I doubt he could become ruler if they both just died without him being married to either of them. Two, he needed her to stop the endless winter (However, once he found out that she couldn't he decided it was time to kill her, since at that point he already assumed Anna was pretty much dead and he had lied saying that they said their wedding vows just before she died, so he now has a claim to the throne)

[@molldoll37]

Ah yes, the summer home in Norway. With a castle. Can we visit? Also, it could be just me, but after the reveal I always interpreted Hans' smile as smug rather than warm fuzzies. Also, also, actually, Actually, it was the parents that decided the solution was keeping Elsa's magic hidden after the incident, rather than Papi and the trolls who removed what was there that would have presumably caused harm left untreated. A good analogy for it is wood. Like, if you get a splinter, it has to be removed before it gets infected, but their parents basically said "No more wood ever." So Anna is fine when exposed to wood again (you know before being stabbed in the heart), she just wished she remembered wood existed. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. :)

[@anonymousfellow8879]

Molly R We see Hans’s Smug Smile when he’s gloating and leaving Anna to freeze to death post FixerUpper. The smile under the boat when he’s soaking wet is pure smitten Derp Man

[@molldoll37]

Fair enough ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@alesrip]

Anonymous Fellow 'Pure smitten derp man' 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Amazing

[@allysmith95]

Are we all just gonna ignore the whole "Hans is a mirror" theory ? Cuz that's my absolute favourite theory they came with Well that and Draco is a werewolf

[@hannaht1325]

Yes someone said it! They straight up contradicted themselves 😂

[@Lucky10279]

That's not really an universe explanation though.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

Hannah T Not neccisarily. It only explains why Hans was so *easy* for the Trolls to influence-like Anna he has no life experiences outside of his family neglecting him (altho his is more blatantly malicious vs “overprotective”) so like Anna he’s experiencing things very much for the first time, too (And Anna has her mind played with at her most vulnerable as a young child.) But, unlike Anna, Hans doesn’t really have a strong personality-that “mirror” aspect. He’s naive, and goes with the flow, and taking post Fixerupper into account? Incredibly weak-willed.

[@hannaht1325]

@@anonymousfellow8879 Hm, yeah, that makes sense 😂 I thought I had to chose between the two, but now I don't have to lol

[@christianali5431]

@@anonymousfellow8879 here is the part of fixer-upper you didn’t hear: So the girl is a bit of a fixer-upper. But we know exactly what to do. Yes, the perfect way to stop the fiancé, Is to make him an evil through and through.

[@yeetedwaldo6019]

I already knew this theory from MatPat but I think you guys actually added completely different points to him and went in a different direction to end up at the same conclusion. People claiming you stole this theory clearly only watched the first few minutes- I think this theory and the one on Film Theory go pretty well together! Keep up the great work guys :D

[@hospitalgal101]

I'm going with this theory because the sudden "ooh I'm evil now" twist with Hans when he smiled like that after Anna left drives me crazy.

[@katefresina832]

It's just the historical nerd in me, but historical large royal famlies like Han's family the youngest children of the family would be married off to minor nobles, or a princess/prince that would have no chance to the throne but in the case of Hans he would have had a chance to throne if he would have married Anna.

[@Kelarys]

This is why it would be so cool to see a movie from his perspective back with his family, yelling at him for blowing his shot and him having no idea what happened because he genuinely loved her but then he blacked out after seeing a few moving rocks and then woke up back in his parents castle. Frozen 3 lets gooooo

[@sceptileswordsman7152]

Historically speaking Hans might not have any succession rights if he married Anna. Check out MatPat’s theory, he talks about succession rights of queen’s spouses.

[@tamararhymeswithcamera6539]

Have you and MatPat joined forces?

[@davidrogers2602]

He stole this off another channel

[@Danae78]

I SUPPORT THIS UNION!!!! Can I say that louder?? I don't think so

[@mahikasegaonkar]

They should collab!!

[@petrramx2674]

@@davidrogers2602 he always disclose where he got the ideas from

[@BigManStan]

@@petrramx2674 obviously not

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Ben: Hans Me: If he's evil and you know it, clap your Hans

[@katherinegallagher9081]

I TROLLtally get it🤣

[@eclecticdog2k901]

.....in irons!

[@williamk1388]

Thats terrible... i like it.

[@hannahmotley1863]

Oh my gawd

[@adrianaavila8853]

😂 😂 thanks for making me smile and laugh.

[@OcarinaLink24]

When Kristoff said that people will “cheat” and “beat” you as well as his overall disdain for other people, wherever he was before the trolls was _not_ a good situation. The other ice harvesters may have been glad to get rid of him for all we know. As for the troll’s advice, they say “fear will be Elsa’s enemy.” The graphic shows Elsa being attacked, which seeing that they knew what clothes she’d be wearing and what hair style she’d have reads to me as prophetic-aka what would happen with fear of her ice powers. HER fear. They were trying to warn her not to be afraid of herself. The family took it the wrong way.

[@christianali5431]

Yes, but they showed her being attacked BY OTHER PEOPLE. It looks prophetic, but what are they prophesying? Maybe they were pretending to prophesy that Elsa would be attacked, so that the king and queen would lock her up and ruin the kingdom.

[@InternalChickens]

@@christianali5431 They were attacking her about what she did

[@whatusernameis5295]

yeah plus agnar teaches Elsa the mantra "conceal; don't feel" (and I think "don't let them know" gets added to it in the Broadway show) which is a terrible thing to teach anybody. although on the flip side Elsa is pretty obviously scared when they warn her about her powers and I don't really see anyone try to comfort her (tbf the scene is basically over by then) and also her parents are for the most part following the troll's advice (like keeping Anna and Elsa separated and removing Anna's memories of Elsa's magic)

[@legoverse1412]

So I guess Disney was just... TROLLING us!

[@connormacmillan2803]

Oof

[@luv.mani2]

why

[@Ladya-eg7yp]

Ha

[@roadkill4340]

Bruh

[@musicrules3889]

Puh dum pushhh

[@FNAFPlanet]

6:53 hey! I've recently watched Frozen and did notice that he aimed at the chandelier above Elsa, where then she would be crushed by it and Hans gets to explain the story of how he tried to save her but "didn't" Pay attention to the chandelier above her. So there is something to have him look like a hero.

[@dominiquerichards2462]

It could have been a legit smile, but he later realized who Anna was and decided that becoming a king was more important than a quirky girl who amused him.

[@hannathun5099]

But Anna tells him exactly who she is before that smile

[@dominiquerichards2462]

Hanna Thun I forgot about that, but even so he could have found her charming but eventually decided to use her for the throne between then and love is an open door. Thanks for pointing that out for me 🙂

[@anonymousfellow8879]

It’s a shocktwist. A planned one at least, but there’s literally no foreshadowing suggesting this about Hans’ Character. He’s a prince, she’s a princess, he could definitely do worse and she’s cute. That’s literally all there is to it. Then the Already Shown Kidnapping A Child + Terrifying Brainwashing Powers trolls...show they have NO concept of consent or boundaries and decide to “get the fiance out of the way” ...so they do. (Sure we’re not shown Hans interacting with the Trolls. But they could easily set an ambush for him once they decided to do so) Aaaand after Hans, suddenly Shocktwist vs Actual Plottwist (yes there is a difference) villains are “in vogue” and storytelling has suffered for it

[@whatusernameis5295]

and also media has probably twisted what we think of as an evil smile. plus a lot of the irl manipulates aren't even necessarily aware of what they are doing

[@genevieveatwater4533]

I would like to note that my dad, who is a professional marriage and family therapist, has claimed Hans to be one of the most realistic predators he's seen in a movie, and specifically defends the moment in the boat in a very simple way. Hans is manipulative. To everyone. All the time. He's not going to drop his act in the open like that. He's still in character.

[@whatusernameis5295]

I believe you and anyone that doesn't can go watch Cinematherapy's video on hans. also I don't really see Hans smile under the boat as only being good because: 1. movies/comics/whatever has most likely changed what we perceive as an evil smile (hint: not everyone is as obviously focused on their own goals as the Duke of weaselton) 2. he could genuinely be happy in that moment as he could easily have realized just how easy it was going to be to manipulate Anna into marrying him. also if you want Hans to be good then why in the world did he propose to Anna after JUST ONE DAY when he would have obviously known better?

[@stephaniecouture7033]

Totally agree

[@juliaspoonie3627]

@@whatusernameis5295is there a comment missing to which you replied? Because OP doesn’t claim Hans is good, the opposite is true.

[@randomfandom5891]

Ben: talks about clear ice People who listen to the Pop: I understood that reference!

[@aerynlouis9858]

Ninja Vaulter: "People who listen to the Pop: I understood that reference!" Marvel Fans: I understood 'that' reference!

[@dorissaclaire]

I definitely think some of Hans’s feelings for Anna were genuine. Like yes he was using her and totally evil, but I think it would be very hard not to love Anna!!! Maybe if it weren’t for his greed and power hungry ness, he WOULD actually be a good guy!

[@danaportnoy9153]

Hey guys, I noticed a detail in the Pixar universe recently and I haven’t been able to find anything on it, so I figured what better place to talk about it than in the comments of my favorite Pixar theory guardians! I wanna talk about something in Toy Story. We all know that Woody spends most of the film trying to convince Buzz he’s just a toy, but there’s significance to his language in doing so that suggests something. He keeps saying Buzz is not “the real Buzz Lightyear.” Emphasis on “real”. Meaning, there is a real, HUMAN, Buzz Lightyear out there somewhere?? To further back this up, I’m gonna quote the Buzz Lightyear action figure commercial we see play on the TV in Sid’s room. It says “the world’s greatest superhero, now the world’s greatest toy!” As in the company making Buzz Lightyear figures and writing the Buzz Lightyear story line, that later gets made into comics and video games we see in the sequel, may have something from reality it’s basing itself off of. And another note, it doesn’t have to be literal. I’m not advocating for the idea that the Galactic Alliance organized to fight the crimes of an evil emperor is canon in the Pixar Universe (though that’d be kinda awesome). But, as Stinky Pete says in his sequel: “once the astronauts went up, children only wanted to play with space toys.” So I feel like it’s not far fetched to say that Buzz Lightyear, is an astronaut, that became popular amongst kids during the age of the space race, and served as inspiration for the toy. Thinking about this makes me wonder what Buzz Lightyear (the real one) did for space exploration in his time, for example, did he make conquests by BnL possible down the line? Not sure if this has any legs to be taken further in investigation or not, but I found it interesting to think about. Side note, I have thought the trolls were evil from the very beginning so seeing this video made me very very happy. Big fan, keep doing what you’re doing! See you for trivia!

[@emeliagifford5864]

That makes total sense!!!

[@raghunathb402]

Dana Portnoy it was clearly shown that in the movies there was movies,tv shows and games dedicated to buzz light year. I am pretty sure what woody says as ‘the real Buzz Light year’ is the fictional character within their universe

[@agustinfranco0]

buzz aldrin was the second man on the moon, in the same mission as neil armstrong, pixar just didnt want to use the real lastname so they made up lightyear

[@SgtSupaman]

In regards to the literal part, saying he isn't the real Buzz Lightyear doesn't mean there is an actual person named that in the Toy Story universe. Basically, it would be like if a little kid was running around in a cowl and cape trying to be Batman and pull off dangerous stunts and someone tells the kid that they aren't the real Batman so they would stop doing crazy things. The "real Batman" in this case is just a comic book character, so not technically a real person, but still the real Batman. Now, in my example, obviously you could omit the word 'real' and just say they aren't Batman, but, in Toy Story, Buzz's name really is Buzz Lightyear, so Woody can't just say he isn't Buzz Lightyear, because he is; he just isn't the REAL Buzz Lightyear from the fictional shows.

[@soulful1470]

@@agustinfranco0 yeah I remember that part.

[@katarinamonkova114]

The reason why Hans doesn't seem like a bad guy is because he was not supposed to be. Originally, Elsa was planned as the villain but then, after people in production heard Let it go, they decided that she is too self-aware and it was better to make someone else the villain. (I just read it somewhere, I don't know what the original source is for this. But it always made sense to me :D )

[@Vex-sn7ne]

Last time I was this early, zuko was a bad guy

[@lyricmailloux2803]

BWAHAHA

[@marie-eq9kf]

HONOR

[@jessthep1rate]

If you watch the Frozen musical the trolls are portrayed a lot differently, almost in a sinister light. That really sealed the deal for me.

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

Listen, if I was Anna and my new fiancé led a search party that wound up killing my sister, I wouldn’t feel so great about him anymore. It makes sense to me. Keep everything on the up and up until you get married, then stage an accident for Elsa where it won’t be pinned on you.

[@Pakapakachama]

Also in the last word of the Fixer-Upper song where they screamed: "Love", there's a lightning strike, and it may be to dramatize or emphasize the atmosphere of the situation, I kept thinking that that word is the end chant of some spell. The course of the song prolongs the "True" word to create music as Anna and Kristoff are asked to make vows, if they went along and vowed for each other in the scene (hypothetically), the trolls will still end the song with a strong emphasis on the word "Love". I can't think of another way how the after scenes turns out but it getting synced with a thunder, small silence, and then the place will light up to celebrate their marriage. And I definitely agree that Hans is a very bad twist villain and his twist doesn't even makes sense.

[@blinks4ever969]

Oh yeah!

[@kennethwright5664]

At the point when Hans is trying to talk Else down instead of killing her, he is attempting to "seal the deal" with Anna. Either he succeeds, takes her prisoner, and has Annas complete trust now set in some kind of unbreakable ice or he fails, Elsa dies, and he looks more like the heroic figure he wants to appear to be and gets Annas complete trust (yadda yadda yadda). Either way it goes, it's that final push that makes him seem unimpeachable in the eyes of Anna and the soldiers or Arendale. THAT was his reasoning for doing it and while it didn't pay off in the end, it wasn't a bad tactic.

[@Chrono_Mitsurugi]

trying to talk her down is fine. but why did he stop the guy shooting the crossbow? he could have just said he tried but the the men under orders of Duke Weaselton killed her. what makes more sense is that he didn't want Elsa dead until after she got rid of the endless winter.

[@aaronnilestoussaint5672]

kinda the exact opposite he lets Elsa dies he would basically become the closest person to Anna so she would literally be desperate and now wouldn't have a voice of reasoning in her ear to tell her she shouldn't marry him. So Elsa out the way the easier it is for him

[@isobelllewellynjones5113]

watches Seamus video explaining how this theory doesn't work: Yes I agree. watches SCB video explaining how this theory does work: Yes I agree.

[@celinabinkley6978]

Oh my gosh! What’s the title of Seamus’s video? I would love to watch!!

[@jasonsandersfan4642]

what if Hans realized while Anna and Kristoff were away, and he was put in charge, that if Anna and Elsa were out of the way, he could be put in charge. Which would explain why he saves Elsa, because even if it looked like an accident, he would want people to think of him as a good ruler, and why he decided he didn’t need to marry Anna?

[@AmyFutch]

But he told everyone they were married right before she died, even though it turned out she wasn't actually dead.

[@MenchisMenagerie]

It probably wouldn't change the part where Hans didn't make any attempt to talk to Elsa despite what he says in his monologue to Anna however, though could always be ruled as a plot hole.

[@davidm8371]

The first time I saw the movie, I thought that "absolutely none of this would have transpired, had they not told her to fear her powers." The only counterargument that I could come up with, was that the events actually needed to happen for some kind of cosmic chain to be set into motion that needed to happen… but that didn't seem to be the case.

[@jttw2374]

These theory’s are so well researched and thought out You guys make such good content

[@futurechemist3852]

@Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez They didn't copy them. Just because they came to the same conclusion after someone else doesn't mean they copied.

[@justanartgremlin]

Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez And you know for a fact that they’ve seen MatPats video? You can’t say that they copied it because they have the same topic.

[@jeaddhist]

@Fatima Andrea Saenz Vasquez All these people trying to defend SCB while I'm just grateful that unlike spammers, you actually reply on comments relating to your reply and not just on all of them. Good on you.

[@jeaddhist]

@@justanartgremlin They do talk about MatPat sometimes.

[@WariyaErez]

There is a reason why the trolls are depicted as spooky shadows in the books Elsa's dad looks through

[@happymama2793]

Also, he could be smiling because he's happy he found a princess that likes him that reigns over a beautiful kingdom.

[@maxdempsey2808]

But at that point, nobody knows who the princesses are

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

But that isn't a smile of greed

[@MuffinManBen]

Seems legit, can’t argue with that

[@sascha_packard]

Max Dempsey she tells him she’s a princess though

[@jordanmckchicken3865]

@@sascha_packard from my memory she doesn't I think all she says is I'm late to the coronation or something like that

[@Historygeek2006]

When I saw the Frozen 2, I was really disappointed to see that the trolls were not the bad guys and I was watching them like a hawk the entire movie😂

[@9nikola]

Now that Anna and Kristoff actually get married, will there be a third movie revealing the trolls' plan?

[@costcoglizzies]

Maybe

[@amymannion4197]

Ben: "Why can't my backyard be a perfectly frozen lake? This is why I keep telling J we need a summer home in Norway!" J: "I keep saying yes. ... I'm looking at listings right now!" Ben: "Do you see what I'm dealing with?!" 🤣🤣 lol

[@wonkusbonkus8528]

Someone watched some old-school matpat.

[@risafistfightstheib]

Lol I thought I heard this somewhere before

[@dahirouba6122]

😂

[@TheNMR1989]

Exactly what I was gonna say...

[@factfactfan]

yeah i thought for a moment this was a film theory

[@SS-iz2ob]

Even last Black Widow theory was of Matpat on Film Theorists

[@ayzecknozniksid3126]

I think Hans saved Elsa from being shot because, as you said, he wanted to "stage a little accident for Elsa" *after* they were married. Plus, it definitely seemed like he was aiming for the chandelier as you can see him look up at it before he goes to stop the guy shooting at her. Hans revealing his plot to Anna does make sense, as she needed a True Loves Kiss to save her from freezing, but because he knew he didn't, and therefore couldn't save her, it came down to him either revealing his plot to her, or him kissing her and it not working and him probably having to reveal it to her anyway.

[@sfsin3380]

On the saving Elsa thing if Hans was responsible for Elsa's death even justifiably it would be grounds to bar him from marrying to Anna for political reasons (it would look bad Mary Queen of Scots was forced to flee Scotland after marring a man suspected of killing her previous husband). Hans was probably just doing everything in his power to keep his hands clean (at least in the eyes of the people)

[@icecream134]

Me: *Sees title* I knew it!! 8:17- Ben: And that is when the real villains step in, the trolls! Also me: Well, I personally think its at the beginning of the movie. Here's why- It was literally they're fault Elsa couldn't control her powers in the first place! At the beginning of the movie when the king and queen (Forgot their names lol) took Anna and Elsa to the trolls, Grandpappy said, "Your power will only grow. There is beauty in it, but also great danger. You must learn to control it, Fear will be your enemy." (10:18-10:25). He was the one who made Elsa scared of her powers! He was also the one who gave the king the idea to keep Elsa in total isolation away from the outside world, and her sister! And I quote from Ben himself, "I mean, it tears both of their relationships completely apart, leaves them in utter isolation, and drives their parents to go and look for some kind of a cure, which leads to their death! And it turns out that the secret keeping literally drives Elsa to become a recluse, where she has absolutely no control of her powers because she fears them so much, and its not until she actually embraces those powers that she has control over them!" (10:50-11:19). In conclusion, I had the same theory! Just in a different way! If u made it to the end of my comment, thx for reading! I know it was long, I just rlly wanted to share it with u all, and maybe Ben and J will see my comment! =3

[@InternalChickens]

I will always read a good theory

[@zekethegamer9678]

I like how he said “all the way back to frozen 1” sarcastically as if that wasn’t actually 5 years ago edit: 7 years* lol

[@caramelokoala9034]

7 years ago.... 2013...

[@erinfaye2780]

Also I very much question the way they treated the child they kidnapped. I mean the first thing they say when he gets to them is, "Take your clothes off." About Hans saving Elsa, he looks up right before hand and someone told me in that moment he planned to bring the chandelier down, but in my mind it almost seems more likely to hit that tiny cord on accident rather than intentionally in that situation.

[@lovehatepassionpeeps282]

I love you guys so much. Keep doing what you're doing, from your biggest fan!

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Thanks so much!

[@MusicToLiveAndLove]

I think the "stealing a child"-thing could also be a reference to fairy stories, since fairies steal children and/or exchange them for changelings. Seeing that in many folklore trolls are some kind of fairy this really fits the theory that they are the bad guys. Fairies in folklore mostly always are.

[@naomi_falk]

"Mwahahaha I found the one!" My new favorite quote.

[@tiffanytannerrrr]

“Let’s be clear here, consent NOT be darned”😂😂😂 love y’all

[@g1rlidiot_]

I feel like pepole forget that frozen was set in summer or im just stoopid

[@alastorlapid2365]

Or maybe both!

[@alysontaylor2225]

Then explain why he says "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place." Then points to the castle during that bop as you say

[@alysontaylor2225]

Also also actually actually, hans didn't kiss Anna cuz he didn't love her his plan went out the window the second true loves kiss was required and he knew that he was using her. Killing Elsa before hand would of just upset a very much alive Anna and he wouldt of gotten his kingdom he so badly wanted

[@dawnrobbins7066]

There were some very subtle hints throughout Love Is An Open Door that Hans was faking it (too many for me to list here) and you could argue that he revealed his plan to Anna and left her to die because if he didn't really love her, the kiss wasn't going to work and she would have found out that way five seconds later. But I agree that this theory actually makes more sense and I wish Disney had gone with well-meaning trolls screwing everyone over rather than an actively malicious force as it would have been more interesting.

[@ravensilverthorne8968]

Also Anna and elsa's parents didn't want to go and see the trolls and only did it as a last resort when elsa became a danger. Also also the book that elsa's father looked at to find the map to get to the trolls had some pretty scary representations of the trolls which implied them being evil.

[@zupergurkan]

I'm not sure how it is in Norway, but here in Sweden, it was a very common lore of changelings. A troll would switch their child for a human cold, and I'm thinking that could be what happened with Kristoff. Actually, in one of our more famous tv shows for kids made in the 70s or so, a few kids actually leave a 2-year old in the forest cus they find her annoying and hope the trolls will take her... Yeah it wasn't usually that dark

[@randomfandom5891]

You know what? At this point, I haven’t even heard the theory and I’m already sure I’ll be convinced by the end.

[@slimnagirac3393]

0:45 I was expecting him to say "but you know what they say: 'The Devil's in the details'"

[@lilabenford7159]

Hans and Anna were the first couple that came together naturally, unlike what Disney normally does which is forcing two characters together!

[@InternalChickens]

@Blake Wickman Ding ding ding! Hit it right on the nose

[@SpiderSmoothie]

I've always disliked the trolls in the movies, especially the first one. I will never believe that Hans is the bad guy from the beginning. And they went out of their way to terrify and traumatize a young, already traumatized, Elsa immediately after she accidentally hurt her beloved sister trying to save her. The whole bad guy premise in Frozen is unbelievable and I've believed for years that the trolls manipulated Hans in the end.

[@connormacmillan2803]

This entire video is 50% just Ben ranting about random topics lol.

[@SpiderSmoothie]

A lot of their videos are though. I enjoy watching them, but it gets on my nerves. Did you ever watch the Mrs. Norris video they did supposedly theorizing on what she really is? It was the worst one and got a downvote from me (which I almost never do with any video I watch from anybody) because of how misleading and off topic it was. I feel like this one had more relevance to the topic than some of the others.

[@goodsamaritangaming1997]

I just re-watched Frozen. In the beginning, Elsa has control of her powers. She has an accident, sure, but so much could have been avoided if the Trolls hadn't mentioned her powers could be dangerous. She's young and the fear obviously only does more harm than good. Also, her parents should have taught her discipline, not fear. "Practice with your powers and you will be able to control them" instead of "lock the castle down and isolate Elsa in hopes she will learn control".

[@davidrozo766]

I like that you guys are actively trying to fix Disney's bad writing

[@assassinnoir1015]

SCB: wait, you’ve seen this before? Me, who saw film theory: eleven times, as a matter of fact

[@ryleemorrow6811]

"OH CRUD MUFFINS" - Ben Carlin 2020 #quoteoftheyear

[@josephcrews6423]

"Telling Anna is the dumbest thing to do." Yes. Villain monolouges are always the dumbest things to do, for both villains and writers.

[@cupofries]

I swear I thought that the trolls would be the main villains in frozen 2

[@verses.with.slaton]

Interesting theory. My only question: how or when did the trolls alter Hans’s feelings?

[@InternalChickens]

Exactly

[@caitlindn]

Hans is still the villain tho. He wears GLOVES

[@christianjohnson5379]

So does Kristoff and Anna....

[@insertnameornoun6637]

“Buthead” *crickets chirping* “you know butthead squished together” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂

[@maxsalmon4980]

This was never a question for me, honestly. I dunno if they're outright malevolent or just are catastrophically ignorant of human nature, but one way or the other they have been at the root of almost all of the conflicts here..

[@savannahwestover2538]

When my dad told me what the video was today as we are both subscribed, I was like “I’ve heard this theory before.” He told me he hadn’t. Also side note: when I first saw Frozen it was only like the first 30 minutes because it was at school. Sometime after that, I was telling my best friend that I finally was able to start it. She asked what I thought of Hans. I said that he seems OK but he could also faking. She told me that I was correct. So... I kind of got spoiled because of my instincts. Similar thing happened when I first saw Prisoner of Azkaban too

[@moonchild4648]

I don't think the trolls are malicious at all, they are simply not human and don't realize that what they are doing may cause harm and wouldn't be considered good by our standards.

[@dannylopez5976]

They seem to be have good knowledge on good and evil and don't seem to be inherently ignorant of human society either considering they understand the concept of marriage.

[@moonchild4648]

@@dannylopez5976 what I'm saying is that their idea of good and evi would be diferent from ours, and there is no reason to believe that the concept of marriage is exclusive to humans.

[@CailinRuaAnChead]

Yeah like that's pretty much exactly how fairies (in the traditional sense which would include trolls, goblins, sprites, selkies etc) are portrayed. Sometimes helpful, sometimes not, but pretty dangerous either way because they are NOT human and don't think like us at all and have a very different sort of 'moral' code

[@moonchild4648]

@@CailinRuaAnChead YESS! I couldn't have said it better!

[@SgtSupaman]

They don't have to be malicious to be villains. Trying to do the right thing in the absolute wrong way describes a vast amount of villains.

[@balrighty3523]

One part I think hampers this theory: how did the trolls deliver their memory magic to Hans in the first place? When we see them memory-mod young Anna, she is there, at their encampment. They make physical contact with her. We never see Hans in the presence of any troll, nor is there a point where it could be plausibly implied that Hans was alone long enough for a troll to mind-mod him. Unless it totally happened, and on-screen no less, and the only reason we the audience are unaware is because the trolls broke through the fourth wall to mind-mod us in the real world.

[@MoiraMcGill]

whenever someone says "bop" i just cringe...and then think "...kids bop?"

[@neonmajora8454]

Moira Menzelli "They can't hear me 'cause they're listening to Kids' Bop!"

[@yusheitslv100]

"today we're going to discuss the true villains of Frozen: the trolls" Me, an intellectual: but that's just a theory made by MatPat in 2016, a film theory! Thanks for reading.

[@yusheitslv100]

@@evacroitoru1618 and yet, @SuperCarlinBrothers has the better version

[@SgtSupaman]

I'm pretty sure this theory was around before Film Theory did it too. In fact, a quick search found a reddit post about the trolls being evil back in 2014. So MatPat doesn't deserve credit for this theory.

[@gbear0385]

My theory is he keeps Elsa alive just simply to show the kingdom he has the kingdoms best interest at heart.. think about it if my sister is killed by a group of vigilantes led by the guy I was going to marry I wouldn’t want to marry him... if it is documented I saved her but she ended up being killed anyway I would be more appreciative of it... and as far as the accident because he saved her when something happened to the queen during the accident he has a reason to say no I saved the queens life before why would I do that.. now I would admit I think this would’ve been so much better if they Did kiss and nothing happened then he explains his plan

[@helendema2650]

He aims the crossbow at the chandelier so it crushes her but it misses...

[@theartsyizzy9716]

Your theories just fit together soo well and also u should do video call givaways

[@embareassment]

The many topics of Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney, and harry potter

[@alyssa6918]

And Avatar

[@christianali5431]

Disney would be better for Harry Potter.

[@TheREALSimagination]

If you do end up summering in Norway, PLEASE tell me so we may hang. My theory on Hans: Hans goes to Arendelle to scheme his way to becoming king. Although he is genuinely smitten by this seemingly random girl, he's still fully intent on becoming king. After realizing who Anna really is, he alters the plan to make room for two possible ways to achieve his goal as he goes out his way to make an impression on her, to the point of convincing her to marry him. With the request of the queen's blessing over their marriage ending in failure, the inciting incident occurs, and Hans realizes that he can work up some extra credit towards Anna and hopefully change Elsa's mind on blessing the marriage (and actually not wanting the people to starve and freeze their toes off). He is put in charge of the people's safety as Anna looks for Elsa, and continues to show them goodwill. After all, what good is life as ruler is your people hate you. I agree with your questioning of the ice castle scene, even though I could believe that was the first "accidents" he planned for Elsa but yeah, after that, my theory completely breaks apart with the fireplace and the mocking smile, and that's why this is a horrible theory spawned by nonsense writing. I don't agree the trolls made him a villain, simply because, based on how they alter memories. They need to extract it by physically touching the person, drag out the memories and then put them back in their heads. Nothing's been shown they can do this remotely, as far as I can remember. I don't think the line " get the financee out of the way" means anything but rhyme and "screw *his* opinion". Norway has different kinds of trolls, but the lumbering ones that Trollywood seems to be fond of, far as I know, you're right about those.

[@austinpercival783]

Having two puppers named Indy and Chewie is literally my DREAM.

[@GretchenVonEpp]

Everyone keeps saying that they took this from MatPat, but i saw this theory on reddit in like 2014. This is not original, they didn’t take this from MatPat, because MatPat wasn’t even the one that originally realized this connection.

[@alexanderportis3929]

I wish this was the plot of frozen 2

[@addison7292]

maybe for the third

[@thegreekharrypotterchannel4606]

Frozen III: into a troll trap

[@stevenbradley1969]

I was literally listening to the Dis-order Podcast when they talked about this theory when I got the notification for this video. And now I'm here finally watching this video.

[@sriharichandran8489]

"Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed!!!"

[@MBison-im2qy]

Trolls have almost exclusively been workers of evil in mythology, they are synonymous with demons, devils, in the english language even before the internet a troll meant someone disgusting.