YALL DIDN'T LIE TO ME!! | Chicago - 25 or 6 to 4 - 7/21/1970 - Tanglewood (Reaction!)

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YALL DIDN'T LIE TO ME!! | Chicago - 25 or 6 to 4 - 7/21/1970 - Tanglewood (Reaction!)
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[@FTBREACTS]

Now let’s get into the request!..What’s the next song we should check out?? And what is the meaning of this song 😅😅?

[@talltulip]

"Introduction" would be a fabulous choice. It was written specifically to introduce the band as a whole -- and the individual musicians in the band -- to the public, as it was the first song on their first album. It has several "movements" so you get tempo and mood changes, and each band member gets to have their moment. (Honestly, just about any song from the first or second albums would be a winner.)

[@craigw1911]

Poem 58. Guitar, drums and bass bring out the FUNK!

[@jerrydelacruz5119]

25 is a reference to LSD 25, and 6 to 4 means staying awake all night. It's about weighing artificial induced inspiration with trying to conjure inspiration naturally by staying awake all night.

[@i.marchand4655]

@@jerrydelacruz5119 Never heard that one, but it ain't right. Someone (Robert Lamm, I think) was trying to write a song, and found himself still at it in the early morning. And by his non-digital clock (they were all non-digital display back then), the little hand was getting close to the 4, and the big hand was on - or maybe just past - the 7. Thus, in digital terms, 3:34 or 3:35. In terms used in the day, maybe 25 or 26 minutes to 4:00 AM. edited to correct typos

[@scottlaughlin9897]

Yes, thank you for doing this right. Always studio first, then the live versions. The are exceptions to the rule though. Bob Seger, or the J. Geils band. Most of their stuff is better live!

[@Bill_Jones.]

And to think Rolling Stone magazine doesn’t even include Terry Kath in their Top 100 Guitarists list. Absolutely criminal.

[@MarkCucchiara]

Didn't live long enough to show any consistency.

[@rwarner06b03d]

.....nor did they include Gary Moore. That was one of the most ludicrous "Top 100" lists I've ever seen....it was bad even by Rolling Stone standards.

[@garyjohnson7133]

Rolling Stone magazine has become irrelevant!

[@tonydagostino6158]

Out of sight, out of mind.

[@Marta_Lledo_Video_Channel]

@@MarkCucchiara oh yes he did...they were together with Terry for years and he was always amazing...they opened for Jimmi Hendrix on tour and JH famously said Terry was better than him!

[@MrGettysburg44]

No autotune, backing tracks, sampling etc. Just pure musicianship.....that's how it was in the 60's and 70's....

[@user-kp2bm2rd5x]

@@MrGettysburg44 now it’s done by autotune and the industry is all the worse

[@talltulip]

Regarding the title: It refers to a specific time on the clock: 25 or 26 minutes before 4am. The lyrics (by Robert Lamm, the pianist of the group) depict his struggle to write a song one night. Stayed up all night, getting nowhere. Finally, at 3:35am (or 3:36am), after not coming up with anything to write about, he decided to write about writing a song. Haha!

[@joshlittrell8946]

It should actually read 25 or '6 to 4. As the "6" is an abbreviated 26. *pushes up glasses*

[@talltulip]

@@joshlittrell8946 Haha! Indeed!😀

[@kennycab3374]

Most underrated guitar solo of all time. Its one thing to hear, its another whole level to watch him do it.

[@Mike-rk8px]

My father was at this show in July, 1970 when he was living in western Massachusetts near Tanglewood (which is a really beautiful place to see a concert). He said for years that the solo Terry did during “25 or 6 to 4” was beyond belief. He’d also seen Jimi Hendrix 6 times, so that was really saying something. This show was filmed but it wasn’t released until a few years ago, so when I found out I called up my dad and told him. He said he felt like he was 25 years old again and back at the concert in 1970 because it took him right back.

[@rayj1011]

Terry Kath, the guitarist, was known as one of the best--even by Jimi Hendrix--until his untimely death at an early age. He was also a great vocalist and IMHO the band was never as good without him.

[@scottchapin2323]

Agree

[@Marta_Lledo_Video_Channel]

absolutely true.

[@tomc2907]

Terry Kaths solo is great, but the rhythm stuff he's doing is just as incredible!!

[@morbiouslenoir]

When Terry Kath is your guitarist, you give him all the space he wants to use. You just do. Try Chicago's "Make Me Smile" next.

[@beadybaby]

One of my favorite songs ever. Not just Chicago.

[@craigw1911]

Make Me Smile is the opening track of a seven movement suite, "Ballet For A Girl In Buchannon", that should be experienced in its entirety to truly appreciate the individual components. The radio and single cut of Make Me Smile has the closing movement "Now More Than Ever" appended to it The closer is a reprise of the opening song and they flowed together on the single, but you miss five more creative and different movements of Ballet, including Colour My World.

[@cdbee3486]

The 60's, 70's were the most creative, inventive, mind- blowing decades of the century in music. Just ask your grandparents.

[@nicknick2903]

That's the greatest guitar Show all I've ever seen. And I've been listening to rock music for 50 years.

[@ellet6560]

The big hand is on the 7 and the little hand is nearing 4. It’s 25 or 26 minutes to 4 am. Dude had writers block and needed another song for their album. This was the song! In the “old clock days” when the big hand passed the half hour mark, it was common to say 25 to 4 instead of the digital readout of 4:35.

[@aramhamparian9641]

R.I.P. Terry Kath. One of the most brilliant guitarists of all time...

[@Friend_Of_The_Muse]

Excuse the expression but Terry Kath was Chicago's "BALLS". They made more money after he was gone but they lost their Rock balls.

[@PatrickFitzgerald-wt9fc]

AGREED!

[@wolverine884]

Vocalist for the band had been in a bar fight shortly before the concert. he was still recovering from a broken jaw. You hit it on the nail with noticing the tone difference with his teeth clinched.

[@matthewglidden4860]

Jimmy Hendrix was asked "How does it feel to be the best guitarist in the world?" JH: "I don't know, I'm not Terry Kath"

[@craigw1911]

"Poem 58" on their debut album as The Chicago Transit Authority should be your next Chicago track. DEFINITELY "POEM 58". Terry Kath on guitar, Danny Seraphine's drumming and Peter Cetera on bass, 9 minutes of PURE FUNK!!!! Kath just KILLS IT on guitar, you will be blown away!

[@Kerz300]

Agreed. Poem 58 and Introduction are bangers!

[@craigw1911]

@@Kerz300 "Introduction" was a perfectly named first song on the first album by CTA. Written and sang by guitar player Terry Kath, who couldn't read or write musical signatures. He had trombone player James Pankow transcribe it for the band to play what he created. I think drummer Danny Seraphine said Terry wrote Introduction as a very complex song, part of it is in 19/8 time and Danny wrote the beats on a drumskin 123 123 12 12 12 112 12 12. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGKzo6CDiNGcjs0si=hwUdf04BQRKR30gB

[@byronhunt6124]

I loved your reaction to the recorded version of this song. When I saw you were reacting to this live version, I knew you would love it even more :)

[@morganmcintosh7859]

Look at their song I'm a Man from their first album

[@user-ys8gs5tw5e]

I agree,when a journalist asked Jimi Hendrix "How does it feel to be THEE WORLD'S GREATEST GUITARIST!?" Jimi replayed " I don't know you'll have to ask Terri Kath"

[@mikefetterman6782]

Rumor has it that when recording in the studio, Peter Cetera (vocals) had been in a fight and had his jaw wired shut just a day or so before recording. Hard to believe he was singing this all through his teeth (album recording)

[@heliotropezzz333]

Was his middle name Et?

[@craigw1911]

Not a rumor, cold FACT. Peter and bandmates were at Dodger Stadium cheering on their hometown Cubs that won. Some pissed off Marines there didn't like these long-haired hippies Cubs fans and one punched Cetera in the jaw and broke it. Producer James William Guercio was on a deadline to record the band's second album in the studio and told Cetera, with jaw wired closed, he had to still sing so they could lay down the track. He did, and that led to his signature jaw closed singing style even after healing.

[@watchmanonthewall14]

After all these decades, I listened to Peter talk about that in an interview. Learn something new every day!

[@swamihuman9395]

- LOVE IT every time I watch it!!! :)

[@Robert-tj3qq]

I caught your first reaction ,then this 🌞... I knew you'd like it 👍

[@garyscharf9232]

Nothing like an EPIC live performance. One that's often overlooked is My Generation by The Who from their Live at Leeds album. No band had as much raw power and force in their day. Known for their liver performances, this shows them at their best.

[@chetstevensq]

Actually this is about the 5th song into the set. Danny killed his drum kit on the last song and had to replace a piece of equipment.

[@jamescpotter]

Lead singer Peter Cetera had his jaw busted at a Dodgers game and wired shut that taught him to sing and project his voice in the unique manner you observed.

[@elee1086]

1974 my brother Dan was in the “lab” band of Faith Jr high Ft Benning ga. They played this in concert. Dan played the trombone. Every time I listening get weepy. We buried him two years ago.

[@mikefetterman6782]

In the beginning the drummer had knocked over his cymbol between songs and they were fixing it. The guitarist was just riffing to stall the audience.

[@mandyharewood886]

Actually added to the performance. 😊

[@dragonfire1842]

Not alot of bands today sound this good live and I don't know why since this was over 50 years ago! And believe it not, but that singer's jaw is wired shut from a fight at a sports game a couple nights before. That is why he is singing like that and still did so good!

[@Royal_BLT]

🇨🇦 One of the greatest guitar solos of all time by one the greatest guitarists ever ! 🇨🇦

[@kingofthedots3835]

It is the best Rock song of all time ...trust your ears 🎉🎉🎉.

[@kallsop2]

That solo is fantastic. And it's one of things I miss from going to concerts back in the 70's and 80's was you got performances like this. The other thing about Cetera's solo is you don't see him playing with effects pedals and his guitar is not plugged into a pitch controller. That's all him.

[@timoteo950]

This performance was after he already had his jaw broken in three places from a fight with four Marines where his jaw was wired shut for a few months. Ever since then he has sung this way. Good observation for noticing that.

[@kathycuster1714]

Don't mess with devil dogs!

[@glassontherocks]

Hendrix praised Terry's guitar skills.

[@nicknick2903]

You can pretty much watch this whole concert.

[@stanleynykaza9042]

Please do BEGINNINGS and MAKE ME SMILE by Chicago !

[@tomcollens4621]

Hendrix called Terry Kath the best. RIP, Terry Kath.

[@timmiszkowski9222]

By the way Jimi Hendrix said Terry Kath was better than him.😮

[@deantait8326]

That’s why they called it a “Band” (an orchestra had strings) a computer is a box 😂

[@caroleann_2142]

Hendrix was in Awe of Terry Kath, & thought he was better, being the humble man he was❤🎉 Terry was a BEAST & I LOVE HENDRIX 😂🎉

[@corilia9529]

One of the coolest songs on the planet!

[@TD-mg6cd]

One of the very, very, very, very few live performances that is as good as the studio rmix.

[@neshobanakni]

See how much fun the horn section is having! They love singing along with the harmonies.

[@mserf8132]

Your reaction is THE BEST!😊

[@FTBREACTS]

Thank you!! 😁

[@mikefetterman6782]

Jimmy Hendix's 2 favorite guitarists were Terry Kath (here) and Billy Gibbons (ZZ top)

[@robertkennett4622]

You hear people talk about a band being "tight", well these guys were SO tight that Terry could start strumming his axe perfectly timed to when the others would finish getting set up and come in with him right on time, in sync, not breaking rhythm with each other, gliding into the song as smoothly as an Olympic ski jumper sliding down the ramp to the gold medal flight.

[@cletushouse906]

Yep, this is the one.

[@OldandTired63]

Terry was a bad MF. He showed the guitar no mercy. Incredibly talented with an equally talented group of guys.

[@user-tc5eq4ht5p]

Dude is snapping off😅😅😅

[@marthayoung2308]

Thank you for this one!

[@robertkennett4622]

When Chicago made the studio album with this song on it, Cetera's jaw had been broken and he had to sing it through clenched teeth because his jaws were wired shut.

[@creolelady182]

The vocalist is Peter Cetera who just turned 80 this year. the bass guitar is Terry Kath who died in 1978 of a accidental sellf inflicted gunshot wound

[@zgfit]

Almost! Peter turns 80 on Sept 13th. Peter plays the Bass guitar. Terry plays lead/ rhythm guitar

[@stuartsiglain3972]

Top ten. Indeed ❤👍

[@212x3]

Their song "I'm a man" is an incredible song.

[@craigw1911]

The original "I'm A Man" was by the Spencer Davis Group, Chicago's version is a cover, and IMO, a MUCH better version than the original. Chicago's three original vocalists each sings solo parts, first Terry Kath, then Peter Cetera, then Robert Lamm, a killer drum solo by Danny, then Peter and Robert repeat their verses.

[@gdubbya804]

Now you know why Jimi gave Terry his props

[@karnsfan]

Terry Kath, absolutely one of the very best guitarists ever.

[@Friend_Of_The_Muse]

This was in the middle of the concert. they were having trouble with the drums. you can see Terry getting impatient and IMO its what fires him up even more than usual. He wants to make up for the delay in front of the audience. and man does he ever!

[@HenryCabotHenhouse3]

The title is the time of day the author was trying to write a song, 25 or 26 minutes until 4 A.M. or 3:34 or 3:35 A.M. The song is a stream of consciousness of the song writer struggling to put something to paper at Oh dark thirty. Why is the time written that way? In the old days all we had were analog clocks and we would say such things as "It's 10 of 2" or "It's a quarter past seven." This would represent where the minute hand was on the clock. 10 of 2 means there is 10 minutes until 2 o'clock (1:50) whereas quarter past says that the minute hand is one quarter of the way around the dial or 15 minutes past the hour given. Since everything went digital people have lost the visual aspect of time on a dial clock face and no longer use these terms and have become far too specific about the time. People generally don't need to know it is 5:43, quarter to 6 is close enough.

[@worldfamouslanglois4805]

the whole tanglwood show was amazing from chicago.. the sound was so killer this is in freaking 1970 ! Another great 1970 is Black Sabbath in Paris.. how they got so good sound back in the day and band just kicks ass. .and Niel Young on BBC in 1970 same.. mind blowing .. love it! thanks bro

[@rodjohnson2632]

Another great live performance at Tanglewood 1970 is Santana doing Soul Sacrifice! Far better than the Woodstock version!

[@worldfamouslanglois4805]

@@rodjohnson2632 I'll check that out. The sound quality at that venue is amazing! cheers

[@rodjohnson2632]

@@worldfamouslanglois4805 Yeah, I don't know what it is about Tanglewood '70, the sound quality has been great on everything I've watched.

[@helmutvogel901]

The name of the song comes from, and is about, the fact that they were writing music very late (or very early), and wondering if they should continue or try for another verse, when somebody checked the time and it was 25 or 26 minutes to 4 am. So, 25 or 6 to 4. I was born in 1960, went to a lot of shows of groups people react to today, and most groups back then were talented enough to not only play songs from their albums, but the better groups managed to improve their great songs into incredible performances. Videos of performances from the 70's and 80's prove the point.

[@stephenpresley5772]

Great song

[@matthewglidden4860]

It's just after 3:30 in the morning and you have to write a song. Fortunately Terry Kath is spectacular.

[@soruffsotuff6214]

It's funny you said something about Peter Cetera vocal style and his jaw. His jaw was actually broken in a fight(years after this performance) which changed the way he sang

[@alexfletcher5192]

If you've even touched a guitar in your life you know that this is a performance that will live through time. It almost seems as if the notes come first and Terry is fretting them after. Astounding.

[@ramonalfaro3252]

As a drummer, the band typically starts playing when the kit is about 95% set up. Then you have to rush the setup before things get out of hand!

[@ofness-de9pt]

Jimi Hendrix called Terry Kath the best guitar player he ever seen.

[@DavidTrippi-fp9yg]

There in middle of show the drummer was just adjusting his ride cymbal

[@alanfine9825]

Growing up in Chicago...I was probably around 13/14 when I heard them play & Terry was the MAN on Guitar!!!!! He passed wat to early!!!!

[@garyjohnson7133]

The talent on that stage will never be repeated! Terry was the greatest guitarist of all time!

[@inexplicablyleft2729]

With respect to the "tension in his jaw", Peter Cetera's jaw had been broken in three places and was slow to regain flexibility. I think he recorded the studio version while it was still wired shut. You may have noticed that he was chewing gum, too, probably to help loosen things up.

[@christopherwinkler4451]

My favorite live uuitar solo ever. Terry Kath wrung every tone he could get out of that Stratocaster. I think that uuitar probably needed a smoke and and good stiff drink after.

[@Friend_Of_The_Muse]

Robert Lamm was trying to write a song and it was getting late. He asked someone what time it was. they shouted out 'Its 25 or 6 to 4". Meaning its is 25 or 26 minutes to 4 am.

[@markbrusberg9808]

I had the privilege of seeing them live several times - they were raw and tight at the same time. Looking back, I wish I had appreciated them even more.

[@toddhutchins2492]

I recently found out that Peter Cetera (singer) got into a fight the night before he had to record this song, and his jaw was wired shut.

[@suefantastic4584]

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE you for this!!!! xoxoxoxoxoxo

[@Jovin4273]

25 or (2)6 (minutes) to 4 (in the morning.) It's the creative struggle you must go through to create something.

[@victorjohnson7512]

We played this song in jr high marching band in the mid 1970's.

[@christopherwinkler4451]

I still hear marching bands do this song to this day.

[@wentibbetts7833]

25 or 26 minutes to 4AM. It's about writer's block. Terry Kath is amazing!

[@SM-ri2df]

GREAT REACTION.. 1ST TIME ON YOUR CHANNEL , ALSO SUBBED. ONE OF THE BEST SOLO'S YOU NEED TO SEE LIVE FROM CHICAGO THE BAND WEEN SONG IS CALLED JOHNNY ON THE SPOT. I GUARANTEE YOU WILL BE FLOORED BY THE ENTIRE BAND...WEEN LIVE CHICAGO JOHNNY ON THE SPOT....

[@randygabbert7831]

It's 25 or 6 (or 26) to 4 am in the morning, he's tired and all strung out!

[@robertkennett4622]

Jimi Hendrix told Chicago's publicist that Terry was a better guitar player than he was. They actually had plans to do shows together.

[@lauriesweeney8952]

Great reaction! Ty...... make me smile is an amazing song with Terri Kath singing...it's a great next song. It will blow you away

[@iambecomepaul]

Uh oh. I suspect my boy hasn’t heard EVH yet. THAT is going to screw up his calculations 😂❤

[@gpxo11]

Beginings and Make Me Smile/Now More Than ever should be next up from Chicago.

[@arnoldcox9128]

Let him cook 🔥

[@Miguel_2112]

1970 Raw Rock and Roll at its very best.

[@steveforman7643]

You have now witnessed what is widely considered one of the greatest live guitar solos of all time. Terry Kath was a genius and taken from us way too soon. RIP guitar master. 🎸🔥

[@donpietruk1517]

Early Chicago Transit Authority was an epically good band. Unique mixture of rock, funk, jazz and soul. Maybe only mirrored by Sly and The Family Stone in that early experimental stage

[@gkiferonhs]

At Tanglewood there would often be more than one act. This is probably the first time the band had been on stage since the stage crew put out their equipment so lots of things would need adjusting. It's part of the charm of no-shit live theatre.

[@oooogieazgolf]

Terry Kath on the guitar(RIP) Jimi Hendrix said he was the best ever.

[@user-tc5eq4ht5p]

The song is about a man trying to write a song while dead on his feet

[@cliftonparago4547]

It wasn't a sound check or a setup. The drummer had a break down on his symbol stand. One of his main symbols. 25 or 6 to 4 refers to the hands on the clock face and being so tired you can't read it. Peter Cetera had his mouth wired shut after getting his jaw broke the night before they recorded it for the album. Changed his singing style

[@jvsmith7888]

25 or 6 to 4 means it's 25 or 26 minutes before 4 AM. The song is about staying up all night trying to write a song.

[@frankp9324]

Make me Smile is Chicago song. Beginnings has a brass section jam.

[@brianbrown2266]

the sound check was done because something had happened with the equipment setup Terry was just improvising until it was fixed 😊

[@brianbrown2266]

According to his band mates, Terry would get on a roll,they had no idea where he was going with the solos he would just power through them !!

[@chriswalksaroundbklyn7263]

Terry Kath is the guitarist he was actually Jimi Hendrix s fav guitarist

[@creolelady182]

The reason why Cetera is clinching his jaw is because he got into a bad fight with some Marines and he had severe jaw damage where they had to wire his jaw to heal correctly

[@golfbn]

The reason Peter Cetera sings the way he does is he got his jaw broke in a fight before they recorded this song.. he has sang that way ever since.

[@trading3072]

Now you gotta do "Beginnings" from the same show! Seriously!

[@thomasripley1548]

The late great Terry Kath.....guitar phenom....