Is A Bargain Mercedes R129 SL The Perfect Modern Classic Daily Driver or an Ownership Nightmare?

[@johnzito2114]

Good assessment. As a 10 year owner of a 1990 300Sl-24 I can share some of my observations. First off buy the best one you can afford and beware of the biodegradable engine wiring harnesses on certain years. That issue is repairable but is a difficult one for sure. Next. Don't discount the early years 90-93 if the car was well taken care of and the owner "knows" the car by being hands on unless you just have to own a facelift model Next, some ,if not all, the top hydraulics will need attention eventually but if you look here at a company called "Top Hydraulics" his videos and knowledge are priceless and his fee for the rebuilt components is an absolute bargain. Take your time replacing the components and cycle the top during the off season to keep those seals pliable. The 300, in my opinion is charming and silky smooth but is plagued with head gasket failure at the rear of the head and luckily its just oil discharge, no one has reported oil and coolant mixing on that engine but it's still a big job, but once done your home free for decades. the 300 and later 320 are more back road cruisers and the 500 is more of a hot rod. My 240 HP (?) 300 Sl-24 is silky smooth and moves just fine even with 83000 miles on it. Brake and suspension components are straightforward and generally 124 based. The 500SL IMO is great. from 1990-93 then again from 1999-2002 because of the aforementioned wiring harness issues. I would avoid the SL600 because it is way too complex as a driver and the hydraulic suspension is sure to cause lots of grief and drain your wallet big time. Plus the engine is really sandwiched in there something awful and your not reaching anything for repairs in that engine bay. Plan on a new battery and either the alternator itself or at least the voltage regulator. Pull the radiator out, clean it thoroughly, replace the 2 sending units along with the thermostat and housing. These cars should run at 87 Celsius not 100, only the SL 600 may run at 100 Celsius. Gearboxes are very stout as are all Mercs from this era. Interior parts are far and few between and usually from donor cars and plastics are often brittle (as most convertibles are) so use caution when disassembling interior parts. Seats are best to just buy a complete interior kit and recover the upper, lower and headrests at the same time. You are not going to find lower cushions in any kind of decent shape and the drivers bolster will wear out first on the upper cushion. Body parts are plentiful and hardtops are super cheap with all needing the headliner redone-no you can't reglue it. The panoramic roof still commands big money on these cars and is more suited to a weekend show car than a daily driver, but nonetheless it is super nice but plan to pay 3500-4000 US Dollars for one. Also plan on some electrical issues with the instrument cluster and speedometer as well as the ignition switch tumbler- all fixable so don't panic. The R129 has bank vault build quality and turns heads more than you might think, at least my Signal Red one does. Beware of aftermarket wheels on these cars. Even if they look good a cheap set will never resist bending and damage like factory alloys do.

[@douglasthompson9482]

Great synopsis of the car. My 1991 is fabulous but had some reliability problems until I replaced the battery and crankshaft position sensor. Now….awesome. Not fast but smooth. Gas mileage is not great but I will still love it.

[@As_129sl]

Thanks for this. My R129 in on 140k miles. I am not sure to change the alternator or not, i know the. voltage regulator will go eventually. My mechanic told me the battery light will come on first, do you think I should wait. Also my fuel pump is original too, you think I should replace this? I am thinking of simple ways to prevent breaking down on the side of the road.

[@yuriyv4239]

Sir thank you for the detailed response. I am currently looking for one and need help. SL500 1997 - M119 versus SL500 1999 - M113. Let`s think that options and condition are the same. Your choice and why? Thanks a lot! PS Any other reply from anyone would be appreciated

[@KlaasRijnks]

In addition to all above: The airconditioning is mated to the cooling system so if your engine runs hot, check if the AC system is pressurized or not. If not, the auxiliary fans for the AC will not come on and the engine will run hot. To stop it from running hot, switch off the airco entirely by pressing the EC button on the climate control unit. The AC fans (2 small fans in front of the radiator) will come on at a default setting of around 105 degrees Celsius (instead of around 95 when all is well). Secondly, head gaskets last for around 60000 miles or 100000 kilometers I’ve been told. I replaced mine a couple of years ago and the specialist who did the work used to work on the W124 ambulances. The only thing that needed regular replacement on the M103/M104 engine was the head gasket apparently (and those engines were driven hard). You can use one as a daily driver but expect there will be something wrong with it every 2 months (these are complicated machines after all) and you have to be willing to maintain it very well (and that won’t be cheap). But if you don’t mind those inconveniences and if it’s just you or you+1, the R129 is a great proposition. It’s roomy, it’s comfy, it’s a fine motorway cruiser, it takes a lot of luggage in the boot and on the fold-down seats in the rear. And it’s a fun car to own and drive, it’s got character and gives me at least a big smile on my face when I drive mine. It’s something special.

[@paulparker4240]

​@@As_129slI'm not sure about longevity of the fuel pump but DEFINITELY ensure the filters (there's two) are changed and the attached hoses in good nic as well.

[@mississippirider1747]

I just got my first Mercedes. A '99 sl500 with freshly rebuilt hydraulics and 52k miles. I traded a beautiful Harley that I valued at around $12,500. I've owned it now for a little over a month and loving every minute!

[@fuelupclassic]

Sounds great! I hope you continue to enjoy it.

[@cheyenneobregon184]

How do you like it? I found a 98 SL500 been sitting for a while but runs and drives for 3000$ 120k miles and original owner

[@all.hail.charles]

@@cheyenneobregon184you should avoid 1994-1998. they have wiring harness issues

[@cheyenneobregon184]

@@all.hail.charles that’s the biodegradable wiring harness issue I’ve heard of?! /:

[@paulparker4240]

​@@all.hail.charlesI thought the 1990ish to 1995 were the troublesome years.

[@StarEquipment1]

For anyone looking for these cars: The 1989 to 1992.5 cars did not have the biodegradable wiring harness. They had a 4 speed auto. The 500sl also had KE-Jetronic fuel injection and around 15 more hp than the 1992.5 and up. A few years later, the engine was changed again to a cheaper design with again a bit less HP.

[@johnzito125]

Correct on wiring. Actually the trans is a 5 speed that starts out in 2nd gear. If you floor it from a standstill it will kick down to the very low first gear.

[@rolexomegaspecialist9411]

Do you know what year MB got RID of these bio-degradable harnesses?

[@michaelburley9479]

@@rolexomegaspecialist9411 The "green" harness appeared on the 1993-1995 cars. Dumbest thing MB ever did.

[@michaelarchangel1163]

I recall nobody less than the late great Sir Stirling Moss having said that he much preferred driving the V8 to the V12, as it felt a lot less nose heavy.

[@fuelupclassic]

He certainly knew a thing or two about handling so I would certainly take his word on it. A lifelong R129 SL500 owner too!

[@MDavidG1]

Maybe, but there is something VERY special about owning a twelve cylinder car. Ask anybody who has one. And they are a far better investment too, being much rarer.

[@rolexomegaspecialist9411]

Good point as I shop for a late model variant of the R129

[@colinfarey]

I have owned a 1997 SL500 for a year now and have no regrets. Mine has a panoramic hard top, which makes the interior feel light and modern. As, you say removing the hard top transforms the car. I would recommend changing the gearbox and rear axle oil as these often get overlooked. Mercedes suggested that the gearbox is sealed for life…. I live in London and I find the SL as enjoyable and fun to drive at lower speeds as it is as at higher speeds. It isn’t a car that is always asking to be revved, which IMO makes it a perfect daily driver.

[@fuelupclassic]

That's great to hear you have had such a positive ownership experience and fully agree with having the gearbox and rear axle serviced regularly. I was truly impressed by the SL 320 and strongly considering purchasing an R129 but can't help thinking an SL500 would be the perfect all rounder.

[@mohamedberamdane6110]

Hello! Im looking into buying an r129 sl500 myself and was wondering if one could switch from the normal hardtop to the panoramic( i will buy it on my own) or if its something youd need to alter the mounts for.I just love how the panoramic hard top looks

[@colintuck5414]

Great car I have the exact same coloured one with 150k miles on the clock. No rust replaced the front bushes and sorted an engine leak. Only goes out in dry weather with the top down. One of your last comments people stopping and talking to you. I live in a tourist village on the Norfolk broads. There is not a day goes bye after returning to the top down car without being asked about it. Lovely everyday dry weather ONLY car that gives me and people constantly asking about it Soooo much pleasure. It looks goos and is a head turner with the top down in DRY ONLY weather. Great video on your side of the balance sheet

[@JustinSmithPYRO]

As someone that owns a 2014 C63, I would love a 500SL from 92. My dad worked for a Benz dealer here in the U.S. for 30 year's. He retired in 93. And when I got my permit to drive, the owner of the dealer said to me, pick any car on the lot and you can drive it, so I said, any car? And again he said yes, so I pushed the button and said, let's take out your gull wing, it was in the showroom, and he said, anything but that. So I got to drive a 600SL. But after seeing all the nightmares with a 600. I'd definitely take a 500 over it any day. The R129 is one of my favorite bodies for the SL

[@mikewarwick716]

Hey Matt I have a SL320,it's bullet proof o use it every day and just returned from a touring holiday with my wife to the south of France great long distance cruiser...buy it..but don't keep clapping your hands when presenting it's just odd!

[@paulparker4240]

The hand clapping isn't just odd; it's damned irritating! I wanted to tie his hands together. Bill Maher is a great comedian but does that...I cannot watch him.

[@TheMomeni]

Just bought a gorgeous sl500 ( single owner, a retired judge!). I'm loving it so far. Amazed at how much power it has . Gives my 2018 Mustang a run for its money 💰 🤣🤣

[@GreatCarStories]

I too just bought an SL500. 1999 in silver with pano roof. It was intended to be something for the weekend but I can’t help but drive it whenever I need to go somewhere. The only thing I’m struggling with versus my modern car is having to put the key in the ignition. I blip it to unlock and then muscle memory shoves it in my pocket. For 5 seconds I’ll sit in front of the steering wheel until that ‘oh yeah’ moment and struggle to pull the key out lol😂. Truly gorgeous cars. I’m glad I got one before they inevitably increase in value. I do wish I’d got a Sport for the looks and AMG wheels. Next time.

[@doca8792]

Great car. Nice review. I’ve several modern classics. My ‘01 SL500 with 125k miles on the clock is like a perfectly worn leather jacket now. And I picked it up about 6 years ago knowing prices will climb. I paid $6k and it had 97k miles.

[@DonaldFields-xy9ee]

It was driven 3k a year and stored 10 years i just had to have the ac fixed and ipgrade the stereo oother tham that its beatiful i just had to fix two things and buff it out not bad for a 25 year old car

[@BEGGARWOOD1]

1995-1996 for the upgrade 1 . 5 speed is fine but has a little more electronics in them . There is a dashboard update in each upgrade. Had my 1996 320 SL for 18 years, never let me down. This summer it drove 2800 miles to Tuscany and back did not miss a beat . 88,000 miles now and I will need a new head gasket to cure a small oil leak . If the fluid is changed regularly on the soft top system the valves don’t fail too often

[@BEGGARWOOD1]

Pull the backs on the back seats down, instant storage and I rarely have my hard top on . The soft top is down unless it’s raining, heavily

[@iain42]

I just picked up a 96 SL320 with 43,000 miles. Hydraulics for roof replaced. Just dropped off at mechanic for a thorough checkup and worklist. Amazing car I drove it from St Louis to Little Rock without issue.

[@Vince_uk]

I love Mercedes and have owned many over the years. I currently own a W221 S Class 320 LWB V6 Diesel and a 23 year old SLK 230 kompressor which only comes out on sunny days. I did a 400 mile round trip on Saturday in the S Class and i arrived back as fresh as a daisy. The whole trip was absolutely effortless and it returned 48mpg at 70mph and 1500 rpm which I feel is excellent for such a big car. Around town it can be a bit thirsty but is was not designed for urban driving in reality. Yes, if something goes wrong it can be expensive to fix but I have used a local Mercedes specialist for years and he is first rate and very reasonable in terms of cost. The R129 is a terrific machine not without its issues but show me a car that doesn't have its own unique problems at times. Good review.

[@fuelupclassic]

Brilliant cars! I also had a W221 S class for a while and it was effortless on a long journey.

[@sdry1688]

you need to check the rear subframe is solid as that is expensive

[@mikehappy7719]

Owned 2 r129s; a 99 sl500 & 97 sl320. MPG is almost same but 500 got up & went a tad quicker. Tire blow out put 500 into guard rail at 165k, Insurance totaled it. Sad day. Purchased the 97 with 60k for 5k. Deal. Hydrolics on top are expensive, otherwise it's a classic quality car at bargin prices if you can keep it rolling.

[@rogerpope5016]

Best of both worlds - stunning coupe and with roof down and great open top cruiser

[@fuelupclassic]

Absolutely!

[@michaelsecrest1388]

Great video: straight forward and no nonsense. I've been debating between the SL500 and a CLK500/550 or a 55 AMG. Decisions, decisions... Another car to consider is an early Porsche Boxster 986. I had a 2002 with 30k miles and it should tick all the boxes you had mentioned. Great performance and handling, as well as easy to do the routine maintenance. Keep up the great work!

[@duckywilliams]

currently have both r129 SL500 (2000) and w209 clk 500 ('06) and both are amazing the m113 is one of the best engines mercedes produced. My CLK is my baby, people dont like the bug eye front end but besides headlights the car is beautiful. but i get more nods and thumbs up to the SL surprisingly haha. if your still looking these are both cheap, but if you have the budget just get a maintained 55 AMG bro you will not regret 👌🏻

[@thelowlychicken]

Wonderful and informative video on the legendary r129 320 SL. You've given a must watch for someone looking to purchase an r129. Well done!! The Bruno Sacco masterpiece ✨️

[@fuelupclassic]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video

[@print-master]

Always drive a 500 before settling on a 320, mpg is the same, 2 more plugs a bit more oil but otherwise exactly the same but the 500 has much more power

[@nkahlolengmokwele1236]

The five speed gearbox makes the six cylinder engines that much better on the facelift. Also, at least down here in South Africa, the M104 3,2L engine in the SL320 is shared with the W124 which means that service kits and other engine parts are easily available.

[@DonaldFields-xy9ee]

The hard top hydraulics are shot i dont care im in florida i leave the top off and keep it covered i have the cover in the trunk i put that on in one minute 😅

[@paulparker4240]

I would gladly take either a 6 or v-8 AFTER the wiring harnesses have been sorted out. Really, for my stule (relaxed; lethargic) of driving it wouldn't matter at all, and the benefit is less complications and better fuel economy. Less weight as well.

[@NickForest999]

They’re amazing cars…I have an immaculate 107 (300SL 1989) for the last 8 years and in 2021 I succumbed and bought a 1996 R129 SL500 which has done less than 6,000m from new. It was kept in a garage in Osaka for most of its life until it was exported to the U.K. (RHD) in late 2020 and I purchased soon after it’s arrival on these shores. I’m supposed to be selling one of my SL’s to keep some space free in the garage but I’m so conflicted! First world problems I guess…😎

[@fuelupclassic]

Excellent! I understand the dilemma all too well, it is very hard not to try and keep them all.

[@robertjensen4525]

I have owned my SL600 V12 for 15 years now and have enjoyed it. This car is a rocket don’t need to worry about tire spin with wide tires and automatic. Up until Lotus built the new Chevy corvette from dead stop or rolling start they wasn’t any competition for my SL. Best vehicle on the market.

[@fuelupclassic]

oh I do love a V12, there's nothing quite like them!

[@rolexomegaspecialist9411]

Which year did you get?

[@DonaldFields-xy9ee]

I just bought a 1999 4 speed sl 500 is the funnest car ive even driven it was a corporate executive ride and only he 61k on it hehe and its a hard top

[@fuelupclassic]

Enjoy :) They're a wonderful car!

[@travellinman382]

I have a 2000 SL500 with 30k miles on it. It’s like new. Had to buy a shed to clear space in my garage for the hard top. I don’t drive it much, just in good weather touring the local countryside.

[@fuelupclassic]

Oh yes! Those hardtops do take up quite a bit of space and usually require two people to fit them. Enjoy, a 2000 SL500 is a wonderful machine!

[@benjaminvolant2469]

These are some of the most beautiful cars ever made. If I was after a modern classic, this would be up there, definitely.

[@fuelupclassic]

They're a really good buy at the moment.

[@whozat2008]

Excellent assessment. I've got a '95 SL320 (131K miles to date / bought at 92K) and have had no reservations about it. Admittedly, the dreaded "soft top cylinder" issue has just recently begun to rear its ugly head but swapping them out with rebuilds is not beyond the talents of someone who can follow instructions and spin their own wrenches. I did the Delphi wiring harness upgrades myself and both took me less than one day total. My SL is never driven in winter months as the American Midwestern states love to marinate cars in salt for 3-4 months a year. The !6 engine won't break your neck but it also won't break your wallet. No complaints there either. In short, I have no regrets whatsoever.

[@fuelupclassic]

glad you enjoyed it :).

[@igorkoske8376]

Stay away from SL-320 6 cyl engines. Go for v8 Sl-500. Mercedes is known for quality V8 engines that are reliable and can withstand the test of time.

[@MrTerminator37]

Hello You did a good job, the R129 is a classic and it’s a car you’d drive on daily basis, one thing only, the SL500 is really the one you should buy. I own a 2002 R129 Silver-arrow, it go 10k only. I call the R129 , three in one Convertible Rag top Coupe You don’t see that in any other car.

[@fuelupclassic]

Thank you, it's great to hear you enjoyed the video. Funnily enough, an SL500 may well be making an appearance on the channel in the near future.

[@christophervan6966]

Erm, have you driven a 320??

[@MrTerminator37]

@@christophervan6966 no, but I have a W211 E280 which I think is close to 320, and i also a C215 AMG with the V12 biturbo, out of the three I like the V8 and the V12,

[@michaeltravers952]

Buy………but look for a 500 SL ….better future investment , greater demand. I’ve had mine, a 2001 for 18 years now and get so much pleasure from it at 76 I have no intentions of selling , nothing else that would give me all the R129 has to offer for the money, admired by young and old alike. It’s also been increasing in value in the past 5-6 years. Always Has regular annual service and recently serviced etc with SLShop who also gave me a valuation certification which didn’t disappoint, 104k now on the clock, glass roof, AMG wheels. Just love this car.

[@hectorhobbes]

Great review. Best advice is to buy on condition of the individual car. I looked at 15 (everything except 600) and ended up buying a 280 V6 with a pano roof. After using it in Scotland, imported it to France and its ideal for wafting along country roads. Obviously less punch than a 500 but with 5 speed auto in sport it's quick enough and I have to drive 25km to get to any autoroute!. Only issue I had was a failed electronic plate in the autobox. Replaced it myself (fiddly but not hard) for less than 200€ Other than that it has just run and run for the 7 years I've had it. Pano is great over winter, but even roof off it doesn't creak.

[@fuelupclassic]

Thank you for watching and sharing your SL ownership experience.

[@DonaldFields-xy9ee]

Even has a key west logo on the rear hehe

[@redline1916]

The 1997 SL600 I really wanted, only has a freon leak and needed a new hose for the coolant as that was leaking slowly. Overall I'd say they're perfect if you keep up on maintenance and take care of them, it gets expensive when you're purchasing one with more major issues or you can't maintenance it yourself and keep up. If you work as a mechanic though this shouldn't be a huge problem. If the engine goes bad though in a v12 you're pretty fucked on cash.

[@fuelupclassic]

Oh yes! The v12 is a different beast altogether with running costs to match. They are quite a rare beast here in the UK too.

[@lewis72]

The Wizard did a good video on these. Top cars but the wiring loom can disintegrate, which, on the SL600 he had in his garage, was a £10k+ fix.

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

that wizard is a scumbag.

[@harveybennett891]

Nice car - but have a look at a Jag XK Convertible (Alloy Body) from 2008 on

[@fuelupclassic]

They are one of my favourites. A 5.0 example will feature on the channel very soon :)

[@neweagletimes4292]

i think the 6 cyl would handle so nice. that is a beauty btw. my 89 sl500 is still in my garage. consider it the finest thing i own. ya the tops have 13 hydraulic cylinders that outlive their seals. it's a few thou to replace them but worth it? never had any problems with the drive train at all. she pulls like a freight train and you can hustle this car with real abandon and she understands the seriousness of the situation completely. dont do that without new michelins btw. the height of MB with Bruno Saccos finale' - whatever he hailed it as his favorite car. -

[@ottoarentzen252]

Otto Arentzen USA Michigan March 23 /2024 I have had this 1991 Mercedes 300SL = 6 Cylinder for 25 Years . and many Problems with it the Driver Seat needed new Seat Track Assemblies ( broken Plastic Gear ) New Voltage Regulator repair articulating Wiper- System front Spoiler cracked ( low to the Ground ) new Crankshaft Position Sensor new telescope Antenna new EGR Valve Transmission Line new at Instrument - Cluster need a new Plastic Odometer Gear Water Intrusion at A- Post and at Trunk the Soft Top - Convertible is not working = needs a new Hydraulic Lift- Cylinder by removing all rear Interior Trim to get to it = very Time- consuming + expensive But I like the Car and has " sentimental Value to me " !

[@fuelupclassic]

Doesn't sound too bad for 25 years of motoring!

[@kvirk7583]

I’ve got a 2000 sl280 for sale with only 72,000 miles and comes with pamaramic glass rear hardtop for £6k

[@billrbca]

While I have the '90 straight six - the later V6 is a better choice if you can, it is not subject to head gasket and other oil leak issues it's the same v6 in many other MB of the era

[@christophervan6966]

No. The straight six is sweeter with more early torque. Revs like crazy

[@billrbca]

@@christophervan6966 I agree, do like mine , but the v6 was only option in Europe after 97 and is less problematic

[@douglasthompson9482]

That’s my car exactly….same color too. 1991 though.

[@barryhughes1612]

I own a 2011 SLK as my daily driver so I am biased, buy one!

[@DS-fo4ed]

This develops 235bhp not 190. It won’t get anywhere near 30 mpg on a run, I’ve never got anywhere near that in my 97 320 and I’ve had it since new. Facelift year was 1996 not 98. Although, for S reg 1998 the v6 was introduced. I always felt the straight 6 felt better than the v6

[@antronebatts8905]

Just brought a 2 95 sl 500 Benz on Easter 🐣 needs work but I love it

[@fuelupclassic]

Enjoy!

[@siegfriedbarfuss9379]

Amazing car with great looks. Doesn’t need to look mean or aggressive and won’t bother environment with crazy noise like actual SL models branded AMG ..

[@markscars1069]

Did you buy this, or another example? I’m planning on getting something like this for my 50th, curious to know how life has been since purchase…

[@fuelupclassic]

I didn't buy this one, as the allure of a V8 was too much! However, this car did sell shortly after we put this video together and as far as I am aware the new owner is still thoroughly enjoying it. Best of luck with your purchase. There's plenty of R129 SL examples for sale but buying the very best you can afford is always sensible advice. A cheap neglected one is likely to end up costing far more in the long run.

[@cornishrider]

That is a stunning car, I drove them new back in the day, the only other contender is a Jaguar XK8 (I sold them new) the R129 is an extremely good choice

[@ghalebevaldo4416]

Great Color for This r129

[@siegfriedbarfuss9379]

Btw the car handles very well under load and speed so I don’t understand your remark about handling .. thanks for otherwise great review..

[@fuelupclassic]

Glad you enjoyed the video. I was seriously impressed with the car as an overall package. I found that it did handle well for the type of car it is, and makes a wonderful relaxed cruiser. However my comment was aimed at if anyone expects the R129 SL to handle like a nimble light sports car (which it isn’t), they may be somewhat disappointed.

[@bertvliegen7815]

Fully agree, have a 1993 280 and it does all needed for me. Cruising is the strength of this car and I don't need 300+ps to enjoy that to the full.

[@nanettehansen1146]

Hope you decided to go for it…I’m catching this a few months after you posted the video.

[@fuelupclassic]

It’s a definite contender. I have a few other videos coming up featuring some special cars that may well be a better option for me than the SL.

[@rolexomegaspecialist9411]

No V-6 went into the R129, I believe you are speaking of the 3.0L/3,2L inline six-banger.

[@fuelupclassic]

From 1998 onwards, both the SL280 and 320 models in-line six was replaced with the M112 V6.

[@gv6292]

Yo how tf they so cheap in the UK? You can not find one decent for less than at least 15.000€ here in Italy... that's crazy.

[@fuelupclassic]

We are rather lucky here that certain used cars are often much cheaper than the rest of Europe.

[@James-cs2wi]

Spare parts for these cars from Mercedes are extremely expensive for example £2,000 plus VAT for a throttle body back in the day they cost £300 £2,000 + for a engine loom top and bottom top is about £1,000 bottom is about £1,500 do I need to say anymore I had one of these cars and it cost me an absolute fortune I would never buy one again and I work in a trade for 25 years as a mechanic

[@timclark6793]

I would buy it, I love mine 🙂

[@andrewcraynor1252]

Hey Matt, I only came across you recently but have watched all your videos. Great cars and good honest reviews highlighting good and bad aspects, things to look out for. Keep up the great work 😀

[@fuelupclassic]

Thank you Andrew for the really kind comment and I’m so pleased to hear that you are enjoying the videos. There’s plenty more on the way 🙂

[@gordonsimpson3235]

There have been many video's lately assessing the viability of R129's as a great modern classic....it is a great car and one of the last M-B's to be properly built. However none of you have addressed one of the biggest caveats (either you haven't done your homework or you are blissfully unaware). The great Mercedes-Benz, once known for parts availability going back decades,, for all models no longer stocks all sorts of important items to running a classic.....from small items like keys (pretty important), to suspension to power steering components etc. This can mean trawling secondhand parts or copy parts of possibly dubious quality. Even much later SL's - R220's are effected by parts availability! Go in with your eyes wide open, and with luck you will have a great driving experience and pride of ownership!

[@fuelupclassic]

An interesting point! Here in the UK parts availability from Mercedes (both UK and direct from Germany) and renowned specialists such as the SL Shop and R129.co.uk seem to be pretty good. Most will have pretty much everything you need to keep one running. Always wise to check on parts availability before you purchase though.

[@gordonsimpson3235]

I am in the UK, and M-B have kept this under the radar. Even the R230 SL owners are finding various parts no longer available@@fuelupclassic

[@brianhoefer7148]

3 years ago prior to COVID and living on the Oregon coast, I was in the market for a convertible and was leaning toward $57k worth of new Mustang GT. Then Covid, then supply chain issues, and I began looking at the R129. Bought a garage queen 2000 SL500 standard with 62,000 miles for less than $10k. Drove the car for 7 months as motorcycle replacement therapy and loved every mile. Then I stumbled upon a So. Cal. driven 98 SL600 with AMG pkg and the glass top with 99,700 miles for only $9k. This was a $136,000 car in 98. It needed a bit of work all of which I did myself. Love the V12, love the active suspension. Still need to do top hydraulics. Valve cover gaskets are nearly 10 hour flat rate, but I spent six weeks of spare time in my engine compartment replacing parts that were not broke and cleaning so I could say with receipts that everything got taken care of at 100k miles. The V12 gets about 10mpg with my right foot. Switching the active suspension from comfort to sport is a very noticeable ride difference as the car does a really good job of staying flat in the corners in sport mode. Both cars have the shift-able electronic 5 speed automatic which is flawless in my opinion. Put the shift lever in the highest gear that you want to use and you get all the gears up to that gear, unlike my F150 where you put it in 3rd and you are in 3rd no matter what. The M113 engine in the V8 is bullet proof. Both of these R129's get compliments every where I go. They are comfortable on long drives. They are both done depreciating. And best of all, I bought both for less that 1/3 the price of that new Mustang, and now I also know that I bought a better cars.

[@jake2772]

Sounds like u got some great deals! I picked up a 2000 sl500 about 6 months ago 158k miles for 4k wish the miles were lower but drives great and is a blast! I am afraid to drop the top though, the hydraulics are a project I’m not sure I want to deal with! Are u still in Oregon? I’m in SoCal

[@brianhoefer7148]

@@jake2772 There is a place in Florence OR called Top Hydraulics. They have a web site and you tube videos showing how to do the mechanic work on each section of R129 top hydraulics. I believe there six videos.

[@nb44444]

LUCKY! I am in the market for one and they're all hovering 20k. Even with 80k miles they're between 19-22k USD.

[@jf8315]

Hold out for the 500. Frankly they need the V8 to move it along quickly and easily it adds to the smooth cool character of the SL. If you get the 6…. You’ll always pull up next to a 500 and think Jesus I should have just got the V8. 96-99 perfect.

[@raybutts9133]

NO BUY THE SL 320. YOU WILL NOT BE SORRY IF IT HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. IMO

[@davidcoleman3719]

I had a 320 and it wad great but indeed I then wanted the 500 ... so I got one.

[@powerglory4022]

I had a 320SL but didn’t really love it. It was a 98 model silver with black. I found it okay, but that’s it. I owned and still own a Rolls-Royce which I took out all the time. My every day car was a convertible as well so that bonus on the SL wasn’t enough to let me keep it. I’m currently seeking a W(A)124 cabriolet. May be I’ll gel better with that. Good luck with your search and purchase.

[@callelindstrom4789]

Fantastic car. But you need to try the 500. Is a different animal.

[@raybutts9133]

IT IS BUT IS ALSO HEAVIER AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN. IMO

[@callelindstrom4789]

@@raybutts9133 Dont agre, M119 is bullet proof, the six cylinder M104, M103 is not. Far from it. And the are boring. You constant wish you drive the car you want. The 500. MPG? its the same. or less. At high speed the six cyl work there ass of. While the 500 is calm and allways have more power. Still, as a cruiser. The 300 SL is fantastic.. 🙏🏻☺️

[@raybutts9133]

@@callelindstrom4789 Thanks for responding. I respect your opinion.

[@callelindstrom4789]

@@raybutts9133 Thx 🙏🏻 We both love the R129 regardless enginge. Its probebly one the best cars ever built. 😀

[@Loujr2250]

@@raybutts9133 mad cheap to maintain. I’ve had M119 and M113. The M119 is more expensive to maintain, just do to stuff like oil guides going bad, but the 4 cams makes up for its flaws related to age. The M113 is much more modern engine and easier to live with. Hence to why I prefer my 2001 vs my 1995. Both still stupid cheap to maintain.

[@mfkliegenschaften5420]

After 32yrs of ownership, asking about money in the context of the R129 is as useful as asking about the costs of going to the moon. 😅 What I can tell you is that it's built for going 50yrs+. Some of the things you have mentioned are not exact. The R129 is not a daily driver anymore, in my view. Br from Frankfurt.

[@fuelupclassic]

Interesting point! Out of interest why do you not think money is not important in the context of an R129? Also, any particular reason you think an R129 could/should not be used everyday? They're still cheap here in the UK and plenty are used daily, which they deal with very well. Like any other car, it's often the ones that are parked up for several months of the year that have issues - my own early R129 500SL being a case in point.

[@mfkliegenschaften5420]

@@fuelupclassic I bought the SL in 1992 for 150k Deutsche Mark, about 120-130k€ in PV. For the past 15yrs, Ive spent about 30k€ in spare parts, labour not included. So I didnt bother about the latter. It's part of the game. I use the car as a weekly driver, simply because there are other cars and bikes sitting in my garage and waiting for their turn. 😉 Yet, the SL holds little surprises every now and then, not because the car is bad, but because of wear and tear. Repairs aren't required regularly, but if so, it is costly. 1k-3k each time. More importantly, though, a real expert is required to service this dream car, which Id actually put at the top of the list of my Porsches, AMGs and Kawasakis. NB the price to buy an R129 is not key anymore, as was the case in the 1990s. It is the costs to maintain it. From head gasket to vacuum pump and anything in between is waiting for attention.

[@johnfletcher9907]

In the first minute or so before you got in the car, you clasped your hands together 36 times lol not a big deal but I found it really off putting and it’s quite an annoying mannerism. Gesture at the car then clap hands together, and i was mesmerised by it and zoned out from what your were saying haha. Otherwise good vid.

[@fuelupclassic]

😂 yes that’s just something I naturally do!

[@Yorkshiremadmick]

I came here to say the same.

[@sarahjamielittley2667]

Never noticed this at all and it shouldn't be the main comment on such a great video. Keep up the good work!

[@DonaldFields-xy9ee]

Its georgeous

[@alfonsopintojr9932]

Nice hand claps

[@fuelupclassic]

thanks!

[@joogie9518]

for sure a nightmare to own over 65000 miles

[@fuelupclassic]

Why 65,000 miles? That's an incredibly specific mileage to claim it will be a nightmare after that. Plenty of R129 SLs are out there with hundreds of thousands of miles on them and still running extremely well. Keeping on top of maintenance, regular use and always remembering that these were an expensive car originally and running costs will still reflect that are key to happy SL ownership.

[@bernardwarr4187]

What are you talking about? What’s your information source? Or just stating at home on the Keyboard!

[@jamesreckling6697]

Should have gotten the V8.

[@fuelupclassic]

perhaps I did :)

[@guy4469]

No id rather stick to my E38 728I .£3,200 .1999 MINT REALY MINT, Ive just done manchester to portugal and back ,nothing just flyes and buggs .and 42 to 45 miles to the gallon ,

[@fuelupclassic]

I have always admired the E38, arguably the last truly good looking 7 series.

[@berrycrielaars1937]

its 219 hp

[@cestrian5294]

Oh no, another straight arm faux racing driver merchant. Is this the Merc with the biodegradable wiring?

[@jasonbrodierqevermy1998]

I’ve had my 99’ since 2014 and I’ve had absolutely Zero issues with anything mentioned in this video. The bio degradable Green Party wiring harness were put on the SL’s and E -Class from 1994 model year through the 1996’s after that they were changed out. My 99’ SL 500 has been an absolute dream to own.

[@og4593]

@@jasonbrodierqevermy1998 Thanks for letting me know the years for the biodegradable harness.

[@jasonbrodierqevermy1998]

@@og4593 Thank you for saying so, you’re most welcome. Hope you get one. The ones with the wiring harness that is bio degradable is not all that bad the wiring harness is about $1,500 and $800 to put in then it’s good for about 20 years. With any of the R129’s don’t jump start it if the car battery is low. Or you will fry the roof computer and most all the other computers and it will not run right electronically again. Only trickle charge it gradually and use a maintainer always on the battery if it’s not used regularly. I keep mine in a climate controlled air conditioned garage. It liked that the best. As the dash woods are very expensive to get refinished as is the leather and most of all the expensive electronics in the car. It’s quiet complex. So if it’s a car that has been left outside with most likely higher miles and the paint is dulled out and rubber seals around windows cracked I’d walk away from it. If it’s inside the car will be forever happy. Good luck! You will love the balance it provides in its perfect complainant ride. The 5 speed auto makes it much quicker to respond over the 4sp auto also.

[@MDavidG1]

A great video and a pretty car, but those 320 engines don't really have any balls. Try a 1996 or later R129 V-12 SL600...it'll put some hair on your chest!

[@gvogt1967jv]

Complete garbage ! Wiring harnesses are trash . And you can’t even get a replacement.

[@fuelupclassic]

Just for balance: The R129 is widely considered to be incredibly well-built and wiring harness issues are well documented and are only relevant to certain model years. Most affected examples have received upgraded replacements by now and replacement harnesses are readily available from a number of places in the UK, Mainland Europe and the rest of the world relatively cheaply.

[@gvogt1967jv]

@@fuelupclassic i have a 1991 300sl twin cam it’s been nothing more than a pain in my ass. (USA) can not find a wiring harness. Even online. I am trying to talk the customer into swapping it to a dodge hemi . Or just crush it.

[@fuelupclassic]

@@gvogt1967jv You can have them made to order in Germany and shipped to the USA easily enough. For example: kurth-classics-autoparts.de/gb/wiring-harness/426-reproduction-of-mercedes-engine-harness-300-24v.html or there's plenty of others based in the UK, such as r129.co who are excellent.

[@redline1916]

@@gvogt1967jv The wiring harnesses that had the most issues were typically the 1994 - 1996 model. Biodegradable components designed as an environmental stunt. Hearing the 1991 have a wiring harness go bad is quite surprising.

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@@gvogt1967jv what state do you live in?

[@jacobjosh4661]

I watch….just to see the random CLAPPING…if you can do it while you drive as well, your videos would go CRAZY VIRAL! Serious Note: Good job. Keep it up! 👍

[@fuelupclassic]

Hahaha! Thanks for watching.

[@FatherSolanus]

This car 🚗🚨 is hot! Let"s go. ::taps chest:: 🧰