Full Belly's Gravity Water Pump

[@1foxtrot70]

Fullbellyproject - hats off to you. This is a VERY elegant design. There are various postings of folks poo-pooing the efficiency or complexity of this pump. The fact of the matter is, if you have a stream that does not have much flow or a head or fall to produce work... this WOULD work. In either case whether hydraulic ram or this "see-saw" design the pump must be designed to work with the resources available. In both cases they free up farmers to be more efficient in their labors do other work on their crops and/or farms and homes moving water to where it is most needed.

[@alexanderkornich6071]

Please, contact me by: [e-mail]

[@joetate8526]

I wonder how you would keep every thing from freezing and cracking ?

[@cuestasphsyckn.7752]

Ram pump is much cheaper than that one.......

[@FlameKeepersLeatherWorks]

What is the company name of the cement water intake triangles? A website or cost would be helpful as well. Thanks in advance if you are able to respond.

[@generatorblue]

It is a niece and smooth operation. Water creeks do not have constant flow and can have overflow. Will the complete pump survive two days of rain? Maybe it does not have to be located in the path of the creek. I have great respect for your work. I do not know a lot about pumps but have been thinking about designing one of my own, with bicycle wheels. I like the name of the organization and will be happy to help you build something.

[@davebean2886]

If you still have an interest in water powered pumps - please take a look at the Water Powered Pumps public facebook group - some of us need all the help we can get. facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/

[@generatorblue]

​@@davebean2886 Hello Dave, thank you for the invitation. I went to Facebook and took a look. I will take a longer look next time. At a very young age, I could not understand why a couple of weeks after torrential rains nearly flooded cities and towns in Haiti, segments of the population were once again running out of water. Since rain water is harder to pollute than rivers and streams, in places where there are few industrial smokestacks, I concluded that increasing rain water storage capacity should have priority. If you already have a large roof on your house, you only need a large storage tank. But I have no doubt that people in the third world spread out a tarp on a flat dirt surface to dry their grains. But I do not think that they spread a big tarp (with a hole in the middle) over the sport stadiums, for the purpose of collecting rain water that can be stored in the basement of the stadium. Four years ago, I started tackling the problem at a poor person's level, with these two videos : 1) "Baskets hold water (conclusion) ==> kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoG1l3elqrR-qsk 2) "Emergency water storage in baskets" ==> kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKmzep-AmsySp6c The number of views told me that I did not reach the people I wanted to help. I am talking about places where the people do not make metal or plastic drums but make large baskets and can afford plastic bags. Making pumps at this point is too large of a project for me. But I will visit the Facebook group to educate myself about pumps. It looks like you are making progress. If you encounter a bottleneck, You can always ask me for a suggestion. Thanks again!

[@davebean2886]

@@generatorblue Thank you for your reply. I agree with you that for personal drinking water, rain water harvesting makes a lot of sense when rain is available. You may also wish to look into dew and fog catchers - haven't tried them, but sounds interesting - I'll paste in some research that I did previously: DIY Fog Fence kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWi5l6Nqlqaogac Fog Catcher for Water - more the traditional netting - I thought the output was impressive, but don't think they gave the square feet. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGmWmoeqod2qhdU WarkaWater Tower that Joe and I looked into a few years back - not sure of the status now kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHW7iH5rfLeUn7M What Peru is doing with fognets = = = = = = == = 10.000 liters of water a day from the fog in Lima, Peru kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmnVgmiXfaahq6c Collecting water near the driest desert on earth kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqSxf6Nvg5epb7s - - - - If an interest in water powered pumps develops and you need help with the facebook group, please let me know. In general, water powered pumps can help where there is flowing water, just in the wrong location and it is not economically feasible to pump water by other means.

[@generatorblue]

@@davebean2886 The water lifting mechanism that I had in mind, was going to be built with bicycle wheels as I mentioned in my initial comment. I live near the bottom of a hill where water flows down the street at a fast pace near the curb. That fast flow reminded me of the daily afternoon deluge of torrential rain that I experienced as a kid, during the summer months in a small Haitian town north of Port-au-Prince. Kids took showers even in thunderstorms. The thunder came before the rain intensified and after the rain slowed down. For some reason, as a 12 year old kid, I watched rain water go under the 2 feet tall bridge in front of my parents store and wandered why all that water was going to waste. Water running down a city street took me back to my younger day when water ran down under the bridge. I started thinking that if I could lift that water with Da Vinci's type water lifting wheels (made of bicycle wheels), maybe I could apply it to every creek. I said wheels because I envisioned multi stages of lifting. It is not a pump and it will not lift a huge quantity of water but I like to use bicycle wheels because they can be found anywhere on the surface of the earth. I do not yet have a prototype. I will visit all the pages that you suggested including the fog catchers. Before I even saw a fog catcher, I am already worrying about not folding it on time, before the strong wind gusts arrived.Thanks again!

[@davebean2886]

@@generatorblue Interesting! My first attempt used bicycle rims. Depending how high you have to lift, different approaches may work for you. Some direct lift water wheel pumps are huge, but some are also small and use bicycle rims: facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/permalink/240568226577672/ Spiral water pumps are fascinating and of various sizes - lots of threads - here is a search of the group: facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/search/?query=spiral%20water%20wheel%20pump&epa=SEARCH_BOX And one that I'm exploring - mechanical water wheel pumps, including driving a piston. Several threads, here is one: facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/permalink/246390692662092/ How high do you need to pump the water?

[@slrs3908]

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a ram pump require more of a head? This pump looks like it only requires a couple / few feet. That does not seem like enough for a ram pump.

[@stephenkeebler732]

Because your only going uphill '20, a small RamPump could work easily with that amount of head...

[@richardtaudevin1860]

A ram pump is the way to go.

[@francisvincentcabalatungan3232]

From robert to joe, thumbs up 👍

[@selenabeaulieu2361]

Just use a very simple ram pump inexpensive looks great and you use black hose2"!so your woods don't look like a laboratory...

[@mikie2501]

Wouldn't take much to put up a cheap wind generator or solar panel to run a 12v heating element or two..hmm... This is kind of nest looking, I did see a commenter ask why not use a ram pump and I was wondering that myself... But you know, this kinda looks like a dressed up ram pump. Still has two check valves. Guess I need to watch it again to figure how the seesaw comes into play :)

[@pudge9837]

ALWAYS check into your options. Every landscape is different and different systems work better than others.

[@georgecrabtree2013]

Be sure to use Anti-seize compound on the nuts so they don't gall with the stainless all-thread.

[@bogdankarpovich7695]

I am sure you can still buy handbook with all info you need on INPLIX. Just google it.

[@KrogerKing]

Great Video!

[@123windyron]

great vid thanks much.

[@SenorPescadorJohnson]

nice going Jock

[@matthewhaines811]

Nice. Thank you

[@chakiperdomo1372]

This is simple.. as far as I can see this pump does not need to much water or fall to work. it will work with water volume and water fall that a ram will not.. is that simple....for cows bumping.... fences.... for water washing it away...... place it away ..high on the side of the creek...

[@kerplunkboydotNET]

Waaaay too complicated pump! A ram pump will work as fine, but a lot cheaper and simple.

[@DeanMk1]

Even simpler and probably more effective....a water wheel pump.

[@alabastardmasterson]

@@DeanMk1 how do figure a water wheel pump is simpler?

[@DeanMk1]

@@alabastardmasterson Way less complicated design. Build a paddle wheel, wrap some hose around it, make the axle the pipe the hose feeds into and run pipe to wherever you need to move the water to. Can be built for FAR less $$$ than that monstrosity in this video can be and far less moving parts. Also less prep. You don't have to dam anything or divert any water, just make sure the hose goes in the water with every revolution and you're golden. Sometimes its called a "Spiral Pump" because the hose wraps around the wheel in a spiral. Here's one of a myriad of videos on youtube showing a water wheel pump - kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2PWeI2gltmKmZI

[@DeanMk1]

Here's another example of the same concept taken in a different direction. This is (was?) made by a company called Rife - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZaxpKqIjtCNmqc

[@alabastardmasterson]

@@DeanMk1 I was referring to the ram vs water wheel comparison. Also, I've never a spiral pump work within the parameters of a site like the one on the video

[@skeets6060]

OK so how does the damn thing work?

[@DeanMk1]

warer fills half that long arm, causing it to teeter down and spill its contents out. Meanwhile, the running water is filling the other half of the arm, until the whole thing teeters the other way. Every time the arm moves, it works a pump (double acting, if they're smart), that pulls water out of the river and up to a reservoir. As most people have mentioned, a ram pump is a simpler and more elegant design for achieving the same goal. A water wheel pump will also work. The problem here is, a ram pump requires a certain amount of head water to work and that babbling brook is supposed to be an example of the lack of such a thing. The water wheel pump requires a certain amount of water flow to work, and again, it is something not present here. The gravity pump is one solution to a low water volume situation.

[@davebean2886]

@@DeanMk1 Thank you for your reply to this video - If you have a continuing interest in water powered pumps, I would really like to make contact with you. My question is how do they fill the lifted arm from water coming in at the center?

[@DeanMk1]

@@davebean2886 Speculation on my part, but @ 1:20, see the blue box like object in the middle of the pump? The white pipe apparently feeds water into it. I'm thinking the box is divided inside with an outlet pipe leading from each half of the box to each arm. The box moves with the arms, so as those arms rock, it changes waterflow from one arm to the other. How does it flow water "up" and into the lifted arm? The box is situated higher than the lifted arm, so water flow is actually downhill into the arm.

[@davebean2886]

@@DeanMk1 Thanks for the reply - I am curious who is still around and interested water powered pumps. You must be correct - I watched the video again and I can see the arms taking the top box right and left shifting in relation to the input pipe. The box must be higher that it appears in the video or the angle of the higher arm not as much up in the air as it looks. The elevation of the input will effect the minimum head requirement. If you have a continuing interest in water powered pumps, I invite you to take a look at the Water Powered Pumps public Facebook group: I would really really like to have an operational test pump available this summer to help irrigate some meadow. There are several other interesting approaches I'm looking into. facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/permalink/566450070656151/

[@lynperk]

why not ram pump

[@ricktv3514]

how many meter up hill can it pump?

[@dodsedejer3829]

i think as long us high enough to fill the pump tank your good to go. is not like ram pump that needed a pressure.

[@Set_your_handle77]

Doesn't the bare PVC pipes degrade with sunlight

[@pudge9837]

Everything degrades with time. Plastic is the best, it lasts longer. That's why your local towns use plastic sewer pipes. Some things are good to use in life even Plastic made of petroleum products. iron pipes degrade to fast our failing pipes all over the world.

[@maienduo]

too elaborate, I would use simple ramp pump

[@pudge9837]

Yes, it is elaborate, but it does work. I myself would find out if the stream completely freezes in the winter. IF NOT I would then dig a hole, a pocket about 6 feet in diameter and 5 feet deep in the stream. That way it will NOT freeze all the way to the bottom. I would then have a solar panel close by that gets sun as much as possible and connect it to a pump. I would then dig a trench for the pvc pipe a couple of feet below the frost line to where ever I needed the water to go. OR use a simple ram pump to do the job depending on the distance of pipe to travel uphill or the ram pump will not work. Every landscape is different and you need different idea's to do the job. Great job Nava. It is ALWAYS good to hear about different opinions, that way U can figure out the best solution.

[@davebean2886]

How did this pump work out over time? Is it still being used? If not, why not? For discussion about this type of pump, here is a discussion thread in the Water Powered Pumps public group: facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/permalink/566450070656151/

[@whyh]

I see that you still need a few feet of fall to make this work.

[@davebean2886]

All water powered pumps require some fall to work (other than the steam powered). You have a good observation - In situations where there is minimal fall, I wonder what the minimum head is to allow the tanks to fill? Anyone have a working teeter totter, see saw, Monjolo water pump in operation? If so, I'm sure a lot of people would like to know about it.

[@stephenkeebler732]

Water only has to be at a high enough level to pour onto the input pipe at the top of the 'Teeter'. The higher the rate of flow, the faster it will pump...

[@jaywatts554]

I like this, but don't have running streams round here and I can't see my horses or cows slamming their head into 1'' thick ice to break it !

[@TheRebelmanone]

There was already a hole in the ice where the pump overflow motion is, where their tongue can fit into the liquid water. And that action will stir more motion, and their tongues will warm the area near the same area and it will keep it melted where they don't have to slam their heads thru the ice. lmao that is funny The more they drink the bigger the melted spot to get water without using their heads like jack hammers. lmao I just knew someone would misinterpret what he was saying, and once i seen him hit the ice really hard with his fist to break it that someone would think he expects the cattle to slam their heads into the ice to get water. Lmao He was only breaking it to show you how thick/thin it was over night at those temps. The cattle drinks daily and their action will keep the little hole open, and make it a bigger hole depending on how many cattle drink out of it. Just like how ducks keep a little pond from freezing, they stay in it and float around paddling motions and conduct their temperature into it. They know they can't stop the lake from freezing if their pack is too small, but they get the slightly inland ponds the size they can use and keep it for winter, not frozen. But ducks know what they are doing when it comes to water, a horse don't use water like a duck, but still drinks water daily, multiple times daily and that action along with the rest of the cattle will keep the hole open, because of the overflow and pump motion.

[@gearhead5651]

Is this what people do with there time when retired. Ram pump seems more efficent

[@pudge9837]

I am sure a lot of people need helpful advice NO MATTER how old they are.

[@garrykennedy5484]

Couldn't the livestock simply walk down to the stream? LOL Seriously though, that's awesome for agriculture.

[@garrykennedy5484]

+Roger Gregory LOL good point Roger.

[@pudge9837]

Streams freeze in the winter time. NO running water, no pumping of any water or livestock to drink.

[@scottagamer]

Lol, a hidraulic pump is more eficient and had low cost.