FULL BREAKDOWN of the Knicks-Timberwolves BLOCKBUSTER KAT TRADE | The Hoop Collective

[@michaelpatalano9884]

Randle turned the Knicks around, I’ll always wish him the best!

[@rudytay83]

Facts 💯

[@user-pq6fi5ny4i]

We offered him the most money along with a chance to be the #1 option at the time, and he took it Youre being emotional about Randle when he had temper tantrums for years, was an inefficient ball hog, and cursed out the fans when they booed his poor performance Not everyone whos ever donned a Knick jersey needs to be praised

[@A3cevol]

ill never forget when Randle slapped laptop out of his own coach hands or when he tried to fight quickley his own teammate . hes a diva and has attitude issues

[@user-pq6fi5ny4i]

@@A3cevol exactly!

[@dellcharles5750]

but apparently youll forget the dumpster fire we were before he got here. But Carmelo is loved ..yall are dumb

[@bourneJx2]

Bontempts before trade: Knicks don’t have enough star power their depth can only take you so far. They are not better than Philly Bontempts after trade: I like their starting five but their bench is lackluster. They are not better than Philly

[@ollytropics1735]

Tbf the bench is pretty booty

[@shorewall]

@@ollytropics1735 Boston had a weak bench, and so did Denver the year they won. Having Good to great starters at every position is depth. Most teams don't have that.

[@GdnationNY]

The bench will be fine

[@mambaASI]

is bontemps senile? knicks already beat the sixers with embiid and maxey having literal career performances. And knicks were hobbled, no randle, mitch rob got injured, hart was playing injured. Now they added mikal and KAT and philly adds PG, and you think philly somehow better? Lol idk about that one chief

[@ParrishHarris-ju7xo]

Everything you said are Pure Facts dude.

[@dsmity8]

@@mambaASI not to mention he ignores how PG and Embiid are the two most injury prone guys not names Kawhi. If we’re ignoring injuries I like KAT AND Mitch to rotate guarding Embiid like how the wolves did against joker.

[@XavierLeong]

Exactly

[@jeanFevry-l6d]

​@@ParrishHarris-ju7xoknicks all the way but Embiid was hurt be honest

[@jaydubburn5189]

dont forget donte was a big part of that do we really expect for KAT to guard embiid? especially when minny had to get Gobert becasue KAT aint want to play center

[@DMCnME]

Bontemps is the worst. Tough to listen to. Randle was not signing an extension and he just had shoulder surgery. Why not cash in now. Sucks it cost Divo but I still think it’s good for the Knicks.

[@NuLORD66]

If it's not broken don't fix it,Knicks lost this trade mostly because they just needed a center not a star player by name to gut key players with a formula that already worked.If they wasn't so cheap they could pay Randle close to max cuz his connections and business are in New York so he wouldn't just walk.

[@DMCnME]

@@NuLORD66 You don’t pay a guy close to max when he vanishes in the playoffs consistently and he’s coming off of major shoulder surgery. Kat is a better fit, there’s no denying that. Rumor has it that Divo was not happy. There are likely things at play here that the public is not aware of. I have respect for Randle but I’m a fan of what’s on the front of the jersey, not the back.

[@NuLORD66]

@@DMCnME how is KAT a better fit when they never played together dumazz?if u just gonna use assumptions as facts then u don't need to be in these conversations New York puts a bigger light on you then MINESOTA where he choked against the Mavs chucking all his 3 pointers both are up and down in playoffs clown

[@AndyMilonakis-j5p]

⁠@@NuLORD66cause knicks had some of the worst spacing in the league and JB needs space to operate. So naturally, any player that can spread the floor is a fit. RJ got swapped for OG and the team took off. Spacing from 1 position made a world of difference. Now imagine a lineup where you can play 5 out, which the knicks have never been able to do. JB will have the entire paint to operate.

[@hendrikdalnoot1989]

@@NuLORD66don’t fix what’s not broken? I’m sorry I missed the Knicks winning the East. Stop tripping over the Knicks getting a superstar center over a career backup-guard

[@ggo7269]

Bontemps is so obsessed with NAMES. When Philly signed 35 year old Paul George to a 4 year max deal he was jumping up & down with Pom poms like a cheerleader. Paul George isn’t a superstar but because the idea of him as a 3rd option he loves it lmao Philly isn’t better than NY it’s simple. The whole word just watched NY with half their rotation missing pack them up in 6 games WITH Embiid having his best playoff series of his career. The Knicks are contenders. Idk how you don’t look at a team with a top 5 Pg 2 of the best 2 way wings in the league & a top 5 Center & not say they a contender ?

[@RUSS0okcposterizer]

Even more actually they have the 3rd best pg minimum, both of the 2 best perimeter defenders in the league, the best rebounding guards in the league, and a top 3 center plus elite depth they are without a doubt coontenders

[@mr.lchannel9760]

These mainstream pundits do not watch the Knicks. Take everything they say with a grain of salt… exactly 35 overrated Paul George was a big trade for them. Smh. They started watching the Knicks this past post season.. they cannot comprehend that Brunson is their superstar

[@stopthecap1]

Idk what you mean packed up, NY won that series by a total of 6 possessions, lol. Also, half the rotation missing? The only impactful rotational player missing was randle. Embiids knee was fucked up & he was dealing with bell's palsy, which is an argument I've heard quite a lot from the Sixers' point of view. The argument he's making is that KAT fouls too much and is not going to be able to handle embiid plus ny lost bench depth, which are both correct takes. Sixers have great depth and Maxey is a certified star. Also, PG had an amazing year with the clippers last season, shooting 41% from deep on 8 attempts, with him on the court they had a +/- of +9 and were a top 10 defense while george was also crucial in closing out games. Without him on the court they had a +/- of -8 and dropped to a 29th defense. I'm a fan of neither team but you're trying to sell this so hard and trying to paint this man in a bad light to the point that it's become corny.

[@Quazey8]

​@@mr.lchannel9760exactly lol. They said who is going to anchor the defense lol. Uh Mitchell Robinson who is much better in the post season than Rudy Gobert and they beat Denver with that lol.

[@rthompson1330]

Maybe they would've been contenders with randle divo and maybe one small but effective move for the bench. Instead, they had to go radical. It's the equivalent of some stupid 93 trillion green new laughable deal

[@cprophetu]

Great trade for the Knicks. Many reasons. 1. Did we believe the Knicks were going to pay Randle his money? Answer is no. They most likely would be looking for a trade partner to off load Randle at a time the Knicks leverage would be low. Randle is coming off injury, plays worse than KAT in the playoffs, and wants what KAT has( money). Trade him now before his value is low or leaves for nothing. 2. KAT fills a temporary necessity right now at Center. When Robinson comes back KAT slides back to the 4 spot just like in Minnesota. 3. KAT ability to shoot opens up the offense not only for BRUNSON to operate but everybody else. 4. BRUNSON is a 28 year old small guard in his prime. He has 4 yrs of high level ball( Just like KAT) to make things happen. Both contracts take that into consideration. This prob the best window the Knicks are going to have. Oh, everybody has to remember the money is not the same. The cap keeps rising everytime I turn around.

[@NuLORD66]

If it's not broken don't fix it,Knicks lost this trade mostly because they just needed a center not a star player by name to gut key players with a formula that already worked.If they wasn't so cheap they could pay Randle close to max cuz his connections and business are in New York so he wouldn't just walk.

[@NuLORD66]

Y'all just trying to say anything to feel better about this when y'all shouldn't. if you don't feel the same way about this trade that u did when Knicks aquired Mikal bridges then it's a bad trade "if it's not broken don't fix it" Leon Luck might have just ran out doing this dumb over the top move without evening getting to the trade deadline was not smart at all.

[@rthompson1330]

So they weren't gunna pay randle 42m a year so instead they decided to pay towns 60m a year. Makes sense😂

[@plefevre]

I disagree. I think it was an absolute knucklehead trade by the Knicks. They will regret replacing Randle and DiVincenzo with Towns and giving away that pick. Towns will not help the Knicks win and they were set up for a great 24/25 season. Not any more.

[@stanleed.harold5457]

​@@plefevrepacome can shoot. McCullar is a great defender. Kolek is nasty AF. Towns will be 25/10 with a 40% 3pt percentage.

[@allenzhao4273]

Bontemps doesn't talk about the injury history of PG & JE? This guy is so biased...

[@Jcook941]

The Knicks don't have a superstar? Who should they have traded for? Giannis, Luka, etc aren't available. Can't just tread water forever

[@johnnyp5216]

You could’ve rolled the ball out and see what you had with your squad and then made an informed decision 30 games into the season…In addition, you literally traded for the 1 top 50 player that your coach dislikes the most…he definitely doesn’t have a tibs mentality. Finally, if KAT doesn’t work, your SOL. No one will trade for that contract, ever…so you pretty much have bet this entire chip window on the likelihood tibs will somehow become a person that can accept dudes like KAT and learn how to deal with them (as opposed to just sitting them on the bench) or KAT somehow magically transforms into a grinder. You patiently waited with all of your picks for 4+ years. You could’ve scooped up some defensive big that can rim run at some point in the season for only piston pick or less. And you still would have had the best shooter on your team to shoot the rock, or trade for other stuff. It kinda feels like a bet on a borderline A level player that the knicks make twice a decade and none of them have worked going back to the 80’s…Carmelo, stoudemire, marbury, mcadoo, and on and on and on…those players minus melo (who you traddd so much for he could’ve been Lebron and you still would have had no chance to win with him there) are all in the exact same position KAT is in right now. A star type player that you will wish had 15% more game and a better attitude. You’re gonna blame the losses on him because he’s getting fat racks and you’re gonna make him play worse and worse until the team implodes….history is a great teacher fella.

[@thomasquiles579]

@@johnnyp5216 The Knicks didn’t have a center and the Knicks couldn’t come up with an agreement for a randle extension…so why is that a bad move? Towns complements the Knicks better than randle. He shoots the ball better, doesn’t need the ball in his hands as much as randle and spaces the floor for Brunson. If you wanna use the argument that KAT is underwhelming in the playoffs, go ahead and look at Randles playoff numbers. You can find good playoff performances from KAT and not a single one from randle. In fact Donte DiVincenzo has been more significant in the playoffs than randle. Losing him was the Knicks biggest loss from this trade, not randle. They were successful even when randle was hurt. The Knicks now have a better starting lineup than last season, they loss depth but they can make mid season trades just as you mentioned. If anyone was gonna take the KAT contract it was gonna be a big market like the Knicks to work with that kind of money. I can understand you not liking this trade because of Donte but you gotta give up something significant for a player like KAT. Also…if ur argument is gonna be that he’s soft and won’t work well with coach thibs, KAT is from jersey, grew up a Knicks fan, has a great relationship with his former agent Leon rose and the beef with thibs was years ago and has even said himself there’s no beef with thibs. The whole Knicks starting lineup is in their prime. Nobody is on the verge of regression. So you can keep this roster together for a couple of years if all goes well and work with the cap which obviously the Knicks can do.

[@HARLEM-NEWYORK]

Kat is a much better fit then Randle. It's clear to anyone with a brain that the Knicks need a center today! Why wait 30 games into the season when both Randle and Divo have worse numbers? Who's to say Kat is even available at that point!

[@3Mpire258]

@@johnnyp5216not reading that essay

[@wearegodswithamnesia]

@@johnnyp5216 How do YOU know who Thibs likes and dislikes you act like you speak to the man personally? You GM fans are funny as hell. I didn't even waste my time reading the rest of your hating drivel. Go back and cheer for your Nets.

[@AntonioCrespo-gy3zp]

Bontemps , looks mad? He’s a Knick hater!!!😂😂😂😂

[@johnnyturshman0628]

He is it's so obvious

[@MrOctober44]

He is a Sixers reporter. 🙄

[@nanaapple8100]

tim bontemps has been a knicks supporter for the last 4 years. he's based in new york. you're angry when you want the best for who you love.

[@mexicolaisgood]

All of the sudden Knicks protected picks are good and valuable lmao I heard the media saying how bad our protected picks are for years .

[@IAmDrewselum]

I hate to be this guy but F it... **All of a sudden** 😂😂

[@user-bmw528]

Exactly. They’ve been “worthless picks”, up until 24 hours ago

[@coughdrop435]

Facts

[@PatriotsAndTruth]

Very well said. Non Knicks fans won’t understand. This 1st is really two seconds unless the Pistons entire organization does a 180 and becomes a good team. Overall good trade, Divo you will be missed, Randle thank you for everything you did for NY basketball 🙏🏼

[@werkynprogres]

Yep the same way Julius was dirt and never gonna help us win and now were worse cuz we lost him 😂 the media bias be crazy against the Knicks it’s silly

[@beatsnanime]

Blah blah injuries but Philly pg and embid are injury prone

[@xoxpamiee]

Literally i love how they don’t mention that about Philly 😂

[@ItzzShazey]

its different when they are playing together to help eachother. People like you just constantly talk about injures and have no other points when so many other star players are injury prone, just shutup lmao.

[@shoquan9434]

@@xoxpamieeyeah they looking at the names that’s why , Paul George and Embiid our popular in the league.

[@quietkaoscorp]

I like how we beat Philly they haven't seen those guys play together but somehow they still better then us? lmao SMH

[@drewwolin3162]

so are kat and og :(

[@jamesmonzon213]

The Knicks have a superstar in Brunson. No player has out played him in the playoffs. Dumb take

[@andrefuller4698]

If no player as outplayed him the playoffs why he is not nba champion delusional

[@jamesmonzon213]

@@andrefuller4698 dumb response, the team got beat. Tatum got out played in the playoffs n he’s the champion n face of the team.

[@quietkaoscorp]

any move the knicks make is dumb to everyone else! if we trade everyone for a "superstar" then all of a sudden why would you give up everyone I think we got 3 solid players with all our moves OG Mikal and Kat to go with Brunson who is the star so I'm not sure what the hell is a "good Move"

[@lamarjackson6864]

Facts everyone still wanna hate on NY smh

[@anthonytrevino3191]

I don’t even think it’s that crazy to say he was top 10 last year

[@mr.lchannel9760]

Bontemps is getting roasted in the comment section 😂😂 rightly so. I can’t believe he gets paid to talk basketball..is he even watching the game …brother the Knicks already are contenders they were injury ridden they were playing their bench squad and was 1 game away from the ECF. 🤦🏾‍♂️ no clue I tell you

[@geronimo80140]

Also….why is he so angry? Lol

[@Russell_53]

“One game away from the ECF” like they were gonna do something against Boston 😂 the Knicks lost a depth in Randle, I-Hart, Burks, Bojan & Donte and replaced it with just KAT.

[@Mskedu47]

Dude the Knicks are the definition of mid, they lost to a pacers team with one good player playing on one leg 😂😂😂

[@geronimo80140]

@@Mskedu47huh?

[@absolutedivineNYC]

@@Mskedu47are you confusing the pacers series with the 76’ers series because Embiid couldn’t beat us and it took a long list of injured players for the pacers to beat us in 7 games.. The only thing that can get in our way is players not being healthy and available but outside that, if the Knicks are healthy, we will be a threat for sure.

[@biglon2069]

I'll also add he brings up KAT' games played in recent seasons does he not know how many games Paul George has played in the past five seasons in each of those years? 74, 56, 31, 54 & 48 That's PG's last five seasons during the regular season and he just got added to play with Joel Embiid, Mr ER himself. 🤦🏾‍♂️ For real move out of New York! Like seriously move out of New York. I ain't saying we the best people in the world but we really can't stand people who are badly misinformed.

[@DKsMediaCentralReturns2.0]

I feel like the trade is more of a win for the Knicks because of the fact that the Knicks are in desperate need for a center, so I think KAT will be a perfect center for the Knicks since Isaiah Hartenstein left and that Mitchell Robinson is out until mid- December (or mid-January) (Nuggets fan btw)

[@RealMrSmile]

He might have chemistry problems with the team cuz the Knicks are a team that likes to represent themself as tough and griddy and KAT is not necessarily someone that the fans ever thought of as that so he might not click with the team and fans well which could influence his playstyle

[@WheresWaldo05]

Women feel. Men, like me, use logic and can figure out the wolves won this trade by a bit. For various reasons.

[@Big_AL_Nowitzki]

@@RealMrSmilelmao you don’t have a clue what your talking about. Tibbs wanted this

[@SSJRome]

@@RealMrSmileit ain’t that deep lol

[@braves5696]

​@WheresWaldo05 how bro? Kat is a lot better player and fit

[@kenny2553]

They dropped zach but left the clown bontimps around. Utter disaster. Tragic decision making

[@IAmDrewselum]

@@kenny2553 bontemps probably makes less than lowe fr fr

[@faywhite7886]

​@@IAmDrewselumright. Lowe was making 1m+

[@shoquan9434]

The Knicks not better than Philly ????bruh they basically just traded Donte for KAT , KAT is filling in for Randle and we still got plenty of shooting and defenders , How is Philly better than the Knicks when they couldn’t beat New York with Just Brunson and Hart going off? Randle wasn’t there and Donte struggled a bit … Yo Just stop talking about the Knicks , go talk about Bronny James bro

[@yungnflashytv]

@@shoquan9434 plenty of shooting where? Y'all literally got rid of the best three point shooter from the last 2 years and replaced him with a stretch 4 dressed as 5. Brunson body can't take a year of what it went through when Randle went down y'all lost 2 playmakers

[@shoquan9434]

@@yungnflashytv you must be slow , go look at there 3pt percentage, I’m not about to entertain stupidity

[@yungnflashytv]

I believe y'all can make the conference finals though but you could had last year if healthy and Randle doesn't go down...I like it for the wonders long term though with that pick that was included

[@shoquan9434]

@@yungnflashytv that pick is a second round pick at best , it won’t convey

[@rthompson1330]

U mean donte and a 3 time all star who was a walking 25 nd 10?

[@Michael-tg4oh]

ESPN fired the wrong guy. Instead of firing Zach Lowe, they should have fired Tim Bontemps. He's the worst of all of them!

[@anthonytrevino3191]

Trimming fat and Lowe was making a lot of money. Poor business decision but lots of companies are downsizing and eliminating big salaries that are non executives

[@biglegacy6472]

I'm confuse the Knicks basically lost 1 player and trade a star for a Star and now all the depth is gone? Meanwhile Knicks beat Philly with a injure team in the playoffs but they still better than the Knicks? They couldn't even beat them during the regular season with a healthy embiid, stop the hate it's clear as day now ESPN

[@michaelmeenan5522]

The Knicks STOMPED Philly with a depleted roster in last year's playoffs. They added Karl-Anthony Towns and Mikael Bridges. Mitch Robinson due in December. Check your head.

[@InfluencerNationmmg]

Stomped????? Naw bro that wasn't a stomp that was a bullet graze We had injuries to our best player who still averaged 33 on yall bums on one leg that and tobias harris and we still almost beat yall but it's a whole different story this season on both ends so we will see

[@michaelmeenan5522]

@@InfluencerNationmmg STOMPED OUT LIKE A PALL MALL, LIKE A CHESTERFIELD.

[@JediKnightWayne]

I would’ve watched this if that clown Bontemps wasn’t there. FIRE HIM

[@BloomsArchitect]

It's always ironic to hear Bobby Marks grade trades when he made one of the worst trades in nba history for Brooklyn.

[@sinceremarks8529]

Lol right

[@bo0gi3]

@@BloomsArchitect I thought that was Sean Marks

[@hendrikdalnoot1989]

It’s always ironic when people make ignorant comments online that doesn’t make sense

[@gilfordmccormack8140]

Lol 😂😂😂

[@jmase19]

@@hendrikdalnoot1989wow, you’re clever

[@Lephty17]

Does Bontemps not realize we have Robinson still? If Mitch is healthy in the playoffs, KAT is a power forward.

[@michaelcraig1883]

Their take was horrible. Embid is injured every postseason, and is out of shape! PG also has an injury history.

[@gordonpearson7494]

Great respect for calling out Zach at the end.

[@kylereasor738]

This was insane man. A few podcasts back they talked about how valueless the Knicks remaining firsts were. Then, they ranted about Knicks injury concerns, and how philly (the team with Embiid and Paul George) will be better. Insane stuff

[@biglon2069]

Yo Bon", You are taking meat riding to a whole new level. Like if you want to be in Philly that bad my dude cuz you pretty much savor over Joel Embiid and Paul George. I mean you might as well be there to carry their bags for those dudes when they on the ER visit again. They're not better than Philly but they just beat Philly and they got better. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Like someone needs to tell Bon that Paul George has pretty much not done much with most of the teams he's been on since he took the pacers to the Eastern Conference finals.

[@josiahgreen4341]

😂😂😂😂

[@kenny2553]

Bontimps must be the worst nba talker around. Absolutely idiotic takes. No idea of what a good team looks like. One of those nerds that never got on the team

[@josiahgreen4341]

He’ll be eating his words about the Knicks come April

[@ParrishHarris-ju7xo]

That's the Absolute Truth

[@anthonytrevino3191]

As Barkley said it he’s one of the ones who “never got to play and never got the girls in high school.”

[@Nawalta]

For all you guys know he could be a great dude

[@BleachCowboy2016]

He sounds like he didn’t watch basketball last season

[@user-bmw528]

Pretending knicks aren’t a championship “contender”. Stop. They’re top 3 in east. That’s championship quality.

[@RUSS0okcposterizer]

They r 2 and potentially 1 depending on KP’s health

[@NuLORD66]

U need depth and Knicks lost that so of course they got worse

[@rthompson1330]

If their goal or your goal was top 3, then this is even more of a failure than I thought. Top 3 means u see them as 3 at best. U did all thst to finish 3rd and more than likely lose to milwaukee or boston. Total fail

[@VMVarga-zg4cl]

2nd rd exit

[@danieltarczynski6559]

@@NuLORD66 The Knicks lost depth but if Tyler Kolek is a decent bench guard, Robinson comes back, and Precious gives them some decent minutes they will have solid 1-9 depth.

[@gendirectmusic]

These dudes need a nap

[@josiahgreen4341]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@EnterTainment-vv1qs]

Facts!!! They probably next to go after Zach Lowe!

[@Velveteenvision]

😂😂😂

[@taglifereactions]

Lol they really ain’t talking about nothing significant smh

[@CallOutsTv]

No energy they should try cups of coffee ☕ in the morning 🌄

[@s.k.o.e.2191]

Dont listen to bontempts. Hes been a knick hater since the beginning. I remember he said leon roses legacy will be defined by if he gets donovan mitchell. That aged like milk...

[@cmack7281]

This so-called expert clearly hates the Knicks 😂

[@GdnationNY]

He doesn't though. He has been very fair to them and have applauded their moves. He just has doubts about their haul from their treasure chest. It's strange he undervalues kat, og and bridges this much ...

[@danielthompson3928]

So the Knicks had a chance of winning with no center or stretch big but now that they have both they are less capable of winning? As a Celtics fan, I now see them as legit competition. Before this trade they still had no answer for Porzingis. I’m not sure why we should look at Bucks or Pacers as serious contenders when it’s the 76ers and Knicks that clearly crafted their teams to contend with us.

[@MarionReign.]

Randle wasn't signing an extension with the Knicks and recoving from a surgery. Divincenzo wasn't happy with his minutes and it wasn't going to get better with Bridges there. You could possibly have an injured all star this year who possibly walking in free agency and a disgruntled player on the bench. What's the issue with this trade?

[@kevinonline233]

All facts!!! We had to move Randle or he leaves for nothing just like George left clippers. And Donte was not going to be happy playing 13-15 mins before Bridges. Right now we have the best top 7 rotation in the league! We can compete with anyone

[@NuLORD66]

Y'all just trying to say anything to feel better about this when y'all shouldn't. if you don't feel the same way about this trade that u did when Knicks aquired Mikal bridges then it's a bad trade "if it's not broken don't fix it" Leon Luck might have just ran out doing this dumb over the top move without evening getting to the trade deadline was not smart at all.

[@MarionReign.]

@@NuLORD66 yall just find a way to discredit Knicks and their fans any chance you can. Good talk

[@NuLORD66]

@@MarionReign. Y'all traded a formula that works for a injury prone superstar by name tg are you on?

[@blackcat4859]

No mentiom of Zack Lowe firing? They are cold...

[@Therealcurtisjohnson]

Thank you for bringing awareness to the quiet side of this menacing business

[@gendirectmusic]

Didn’t they last episode?

[@808bAler]

Windy specifically talked about it on the pod last week, and Bobby did so on some trade update, also last week. | Absolutely still a menacing business, though. | 🤣 52:30

[@foi9841]

52:14.

[@ATmosFeaR_dcuo]

They did last episode

[@pjmartin3666]

Such a classy send off to Zack Lowe. Love that they did this

[@HappyBehrTV]

Bontempt is smoking. This is a championship caliber team

[@antonioruiz-st2ls]

Thank you Julius!! You are important part of Knicks history.

[@timevans3384]

We want Zach Lowe back

[@MrWilliams4k]

If you think they lost so much depth by trading one really good bench player wouldn’t that mean they never had real depth to begin with?

[@NuLORD66]

Randle had chemistry with brunson and OG so his lost is also a morale lost plus divinchinzo lost is enough to see the depth is bad now

[@ItzzShazey]

wow you finally figured it out o.o

[@ron6083]

Facts. By the way, how deep is Philly? These dudes are idiots. Philly's bench is not deep at all.

[@mexicolaisgood]

@@MrWilliams4k Our guard depth: McBride, Kolek, Shamet, Payne. What is this guy talking about that we have no depth lol delusional. Our center backup is now Robinson as well once he’s healthy. Our depth is as good as anyone else’s at this point if not above average .

[@tarykhodge1249]

biggest trade of the off-season

[@kevinonline233]

No way Philly is ahead of Knicks! We beat them without Randle 4 months ago! Joel and George are injury prone and their acquisitions are all old vets!! This is a great trade for Knicks - we have the best top 7 in NbA - Brunson, OG, Bridges, Towns, Hart, Mitch and McBride!! Precious, Payne and Shamet are solid! We will be fine! All teams are only as good as their health come playoff time. This video will not age well!! See you in the nba finals!

[@davincidribbler7427]

How did ESPN keep these guys over Zach Lowe. It’s mind boggling.

[@PatriotsAndTruth]

Non Knicks fans won’t understand. This 1st was covered by the media as valueless just last year and now it’s a good pick? Its really two seconds unless the Pistons entire organization does a 180 and becomes a good team. Overall good trade, Divo you will be missed, Randle thank you for everything you did for NY basketball 🙏🏼

[@PatriotsAndTruth]

I’m not a KAT fan but saying he’s a bad defender is being misinformed or disingenuous. They put KAT on Jokic over Rudy… KAT averages 2.1 stocks per game for his career and was 7th last season in defense rating. Right in between Bam and Anthony Davis. So please stop with the bullsh**

[@ollytropics1735]

That was heavily helped by being around Gobert and Jaden mcdaniels

[@PatriotsAndTruth]

@@ollytropics1735 and now we will be next two OG and Mikal. Two top 5 wing defenders….

[@carter5377]

It was the entire team that stopped Jokic and KD. Towns was the man on those players, but Gobert was anchoring the paint while McDaniels and Ant were there to hedge and trap. KAT is not a good defender at the 5.

[@carter5377]

​@PatriotsAndTruth no Gobert to hold the paint. Embiid and Giannis are going to feast. KP cooked Towns and shut him down last year, too. He's not a supermax player with the new CBA rules

[@PatriotsAndTruth]

@@carter5377 you do understand that Bridges and OG are literally the top rated wing defenders in the league right? You know that Thibs is an elite defensive coach whose teams are always amongst the top basically every season? Then you will have McBride or Hart as the 5th starter and they are both good defenders. The only weakness is JB and he’s good enough in this system surrounded by 4 good or elite defenders. KAT going to be great at the 5 on defense because he’s surrounded by great defenders and in a proven successful defensive system.

[@domingodelafuente5838]

Bontemps is insufferable

[@basedleechaobla]

It’s part of his charm at this point tbh lol

[@shorewall]

He sounds like he has autism.

[@taglifereactions]

This why I don’t watch or listen to these so called ESPN Analyst. Still talking BS and not giving Leon and the Knicks credit for turning things around. This team as constructed was a championship contender before the trade and after. Let’s stop this foolishness and face reality now. Knicks are a different organization and team no longer a laughing stock and should be RESPECTED!

[@iansanchez966]

Mr. Good Times sounds fairly bitter about something. I’m not even a Knicks fan, but I think they obviously got better by adding KAT. No star players? Are you kidding me? Brunson’s a star and KAT’s a star

[@Jrose128264]

They fired Zach and left us with these dudes

[@anthonytrevino3191]

Windhorst is like bulletproof though. But his time may be coming. Befuddling trash like bontemps gets to stick around though

[@808bAler]

If Mitchell Robinson doesn't get hurt in the playoffs by Joel Embiid, it's possible NY doesn't make this trade. But, all the connections between Towns and NY coaches/management means this was already a consideration.

[@coughdrop435]

Not really they needed someone to replace Hartenstein who was the starter for majority of the season

[@Colt-bd2mv]

Mitchell Robinson is always injured.

[@josiahgreen4341]

This guy Bontemps loves Philly for some reason. His reasoning for them being better than the Knicks are trash talking points

[@BabylonGateLA]

And Boston 😂😂

[@rano2613]

Nice from guys to shout out Zack

[@alexinmanmusic]

Windhorst and Bontemps give STRONG “we don’t like each other” vibes.

[@darkerknight7010]

Because Windy is giving you his unbiased thoughts. Bontemps is a shill for Philly.

[@shorewall]

Is it possible to like Bontemps? He talks like he has autism. When I'd hear him on Zach Lowe's pod, it was bad vibes, bad voice, bad takes. He sounds like Bert from Sesame St.

[@4kyle7]

I met Bobby before the USC game, such a cool dude! Shoutout Mr Marks

[@thomascrowniii1693]

The Knicks are clearly in WIN NOW mode and the T'Wolves are in KEEP AS MUCH CAP FLEXIBILITY AS POSSIBLE TO BUILD A TEAM AROUND ANT FOR YEARS TO COME mode.

[@ParrishHarris-ju7xo]

It really Seems like n.y. has to just win A Championship too shut up ALL these media guys whom NEVER played organized or professional sports - Let's Go Knickerbockers.

[@uzernam3]

It still won't be enough for the "experts". Nobody wants to Acknowledge that the Celtics had a super easy road to the Finals because teams were injured.

[@lamarjackson6864]

Facts then maybe everyone will shut the hell up

[@VMVarga-zg4cl]

Maybe if they won a chip in the last half century they would get more respect

[@Jbdreambrother]

Hey Tim you’re gonna end up wearing this!👎

[@RJLKMRD]

Connelly did a great job on this one, I disagree man

[@copizz9558]

Guys a fool knicks didnt grt super stars lol 😝 Not better then philly? 😂 these guys a fool

[@bigdave5946]

Definitely better then Philly

[@braves5696]

​@@bigdave5946our starting lineup is better

[@MP-gi9mp]

Philly destroys the Knicks. They have a much better bench

[@braves5696]

@@MP-gi9mp knicks will add some players. We had most of our best players injured and still wiped them last year. Pg is 35 too but yeah they're bench is better

[@Big_AL_Nowitzki]

Every Knick fan complaining don’t know ball

[@DJ_-]

Yeah because Towns is a real deal

[@WAT_UWant]

Knicks fans aren't used to winning 😂

[@WheresWaldo05]

​@@WAT_UWantKnicks fans aren't used to Kats whining.

[@WAT_UWant]

​@WheresWaldo05 how you know he gonna be whining 😂 he haven't played in the Knicks uniform yet

[@A-town98]

Facts, kat is all around a better player than randle, i can see them mad about dd but everything aint free

[@alexthomas748]

ESPN is going to be weird during basketball season without Won and Zach Lowe

[@tyzaku9066]

This was the move. What could they have done? Give Julius an extension? He would’ve easily asked for 40-45 million a year . He would’ve been hard to trade with an extension. Or just let him walk? Knicks had no center

[@cityhawk]

They had to do something. Randle and Achiuwa are way too small to play the 5. Robinson is going to be out until December or January. Who, with a straight face, were the Knicks going to put at the 5 on a nightly basis? If they didn’t get Towns, it would have become a revolving door, and it would have made the Knicks worse.

[@ahmednesbitte4906]

The video was very informative, thank you for sharing 😊 Let’s Go Knicks!

[@Will_i_am87]

What’s crazy if we didn’t bother with bridges and signed PG for that same amount it would of been foolish move anything we do is a bad move suns was such a fleece move for the other teams and look how that turn out smh

[@blablablaa14]

Its amazing people don't realize the Knicks are not trying to bet on one or two guys to carry them to a title. They are trying to build a balanced team where everyone can do their part. The Knicks in their history have made bet after bet on a big name and its hasn't been working. Then they went after Brunson, gave Hartenstein a platform, elevated Josh Hart, and saw massive success. Its totally in line with their strategy to bet on replacing Donte/Randle with the better Mikel/Kat. They improved for sure, do they have one less player (that was going to be angry on the bench anyhow) in depth, sure. But that's the only loss

[@lamarjackson6864]

Gotta love the Knicks aren’t better than Philly talk.. The games still have to be played on the court

[@charlied1900]

Bontemps quoting Bobby marks’ luxury tax numbers for a Brian’s question with Bobby marks right there was low key hilarious.

[@vinniepolitan1]

No Superstar? Classic anti-Knick rhetoric…

[@Tonellacam]

lol that knicks protected pick has been considered a worthless pick , now its great lol GTFOH

[@mike_maclean5787]

ESPN sucks. Fired Zach. Zach is the man.

[@shady8749]

Lmao how you say you like the 76ers over the knicks because the Knicks have injury prone players and top heavy.. so I guess embid and paul George is iron men 😅

[@parkalfred]

This is a great trade for NY cuz NY is Brunson's team. So the top 8 players, e.g. Luka, Giannis, are out of option. The best players available to be swapped for Randle that can complement (and maximize) Brunson's game were either KAT or Jaren Jackson Jr. We got KAT.

[@rnarine89]

U can tell windhorst don’t like bontemps lmao

[@nicholasbraxton1342]

I actually like this trade for the Knicks a lot. You don't like to see Randle and DiVincenzo go but KAT fits Brunson better offensively. I believe this move will unlock Brunson even more. Also because of the emergence of Brunson as a superstar player it changes their thought process on who to add. Brunson is now a superstar and, Towns is a star player. I also believe Mikal Bridges will return to his all NBA defensive form. OG Anunoby is the key, I don't view him as a 82 game player but if he can play 60 or more games and, be healthy for the playoffs the Knicks will be hard to beat. I also don't think the Knicks are done, they might still add another piece. As presently constructed I like their starting five and, I don't believe their bench is as thin as some people think. Deuce McBride really came on last season in a major way, I am high on Tyler Kolek even though he is a rookie, Precious Achiuwa was really good last season. The key position on the bench will be the 3 and, 5 but I actually like McBride, Kolek and, Achiuwa off the bench. If KAT is bought in I believe they can contend in the EAST

[@sabirsal]

Bontemps must be living in an alternate universe we’re Julius Randle was something more than a complete nothingburger for the Knicks in the playoffs. I’d buy on Kat averaging 19/10 during the playoffs like he’s done for the T-wolves. Literally it’s better than nothing.

[@Tobe-rt5ru]

Wild thing is randle last season seemed to be getting it right, less 3pa and more rim pressure. But now on minnesota he needs to do a 180 and go back to shooting more lol which by an opponents perspective is what you want him to do😅

[@ItzzShazey]

how come before the trade of randle going to the wolves every Knicks fan said "just wait until Randle comes back he is going to destroy every team in the east especially philly" and now that he is gone its "oh we didnt need him KAT is way better than him and donte put together" you people just switch up immediately to cope with things, its honestly sad.

[@mexicolaisgood]

@@ItzzShazey Most Knicks fans aren’t saying that. They valued him as a flawed but good player. But KAT is better than him and Donte was great but replaceable - especially on a Thibs team where he will only be playing 18 minutes per night at best.

[@mollyweir9350]

​@@mexicolaisgoodKat is the better 3pt shooter and at ft throw & a little better defender. Randle better scorer, rebounder& playmaker. Both of them have questionable decision making & shrink under pressure. Kat came out better this season b/c of his playoffs performance vs Phoenix & Denver & JR was injured and therefore cannot say how he would have fared. One thing people keep talking about Kat defending Jokic. He was not the only reason. Without Rudy acting as a roamer & guys like NAW & McDaniels hounding Jamal this would not be possible. Denver wetting the bed in gm 7 made Kat even look better.

[@jovantavares4598]

Towns is a perfect Knicks fit but Losing Donte thins out bench. We would have been fine without it. But it’s now the Brunson show!

[@NuLORD66]

Y'all just trying to say anything to feel better about this when y'all shouldn't. if you don't feel the same way about this trade that u did when Knicks aquired Mikal bridges then it's a bad trade "if it's not broken don't fix it" Leon Luck might have just ran out doing this dumb over the top move without evening getting to the trade deadline was not smart at all.

[@dfsczar5150]

A few days before the Knicks traded for Bridges, Jake Fischer of Yahoo reported the Knicks missed their opportunity to move their picks in a trade for a player. The Knicks were a good team and those picks wouldn't be coveted by other teams. In the summer of 2023, Windy and Lowe would always say OG and Bridges were the two most coveted players in the NBA. Teams were offering multiple first round picks and pick swaps for both players. Both players ended up on the Knicks. A superstar wasn't available. The Pistons pick won't convey. The Pistons are awful. Bontemps is jet lagged. The pick is top-13 protected in 2025, top-11 in 2026, top-nine in 2027 and will convert to a second-round pick if not conveyed by then.

[@AaronMich90]

Zach. Lowe would’ve killed this fr 😢

[@Big_AL_Nowitzki]

Zach Lowe talks way too much. I had to stop listening to him 2023

[@Rooftoppp]

Towns role on the Knicks will be drastically different than it was on Minnesota. This is a bet on Brunson, not on Towns. Towns will not need to be a secondary playmaker like he had to be on Minnesota. He will have a very defined and simple role. Pick & Pop, Attack Mismatches off Switches, Corner 3s. Towns does not need to be an elite rim protector when he's surrounded by elite wing defenders and ball stoppers. You can like the trade or not but it is very very easy to understand how it will work. Randle was gonna be a tough fit and Divo would have had a drastically reduced role. I hate losing Divo, and not many new yorkers who don't think KAT is soft, but there is no doubt that he is a perfect fit for the Knicks offensive scheme. Let's not forget, we still have Mitch coming back and unless he gets traded, he will be the perfect backup to Towns when a situation calls for elite rim protection. Listening to Marks talk about the Sixers-Knicks matchup is painfully dumb.

[@TheKennyGM]

want to talk about bad trades? Fired Zach Lowe and keep Perkins... oh boy

[@jayinaz3221]

Thanks for acknowledging Zach Lowe. The Lowe Post was my first NBA podcast subscription, and I always considered him the best of breed. I'm genuinely curious where he'll end up. I assume the Ringer and the Athletic are contenders, and he may get offers to work for a team.

[@deejay492]

Tim always on some hating shi as a laker fan NY pulled some 🔥 shi this summer I think they are right behind boston how can we trust philly to be healthy joel always hurt pg always hurt

[@EnterTainment-vv1qs]

Why does everyone keep having KAT at the 5?! If they keep Mitch and if / when he returns, he's starting next to Kat at the 5 Plus I see Thibs starting Jericho Sims next to KAT and Josh Hart coming off the bench

[@protejes1]

I see why ESPN kept Bontemps and let go of Zach Lowe. Terrible analysis has to be way cheaper for the company.

[@SethhFFXI]

Worse yet, they kept Kendrick Perkins instead of Zach, now talk about terrible, look at Perkins!

[@frederickdouglass1806]

They mentioned Zach at the end. It was classy.

[@robertrivera3335]

This why media is a joke can never make them happy. They didn’t like Jaylen Brunson now they’re on the bed wagon they didn’t like OG now they on the bad wagon. Now Kat trade to me they got better. You’re never gonna make everyone happy always complaining.

[@anmlkvp]

Great breakdown, gents! I agree. Minny won the trade. City back up 😤😤😤

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

One of the rare smart fans in here

[@ACNYCHIDDENTALENTSPORTS]

Lmao😂 that the Knicks need to be top in offense and top 10 defensively in order to win. Like nobody else in the NBA gets hurt… 😂 🤡

[@thegreat1607]

Potential closing lineup against Philly in playoffs could be kat 4 and Mitch 5 then no worries about embiid

[@Neofilmcritic]

No way these clowns are saying MIN came out good by losing their #2, meanwhile they are acting like the sky is falling with the Nuggets when they lose KCP, their #5!!!!!! This pod is such a joke

[@J-Hue]

Thunder trading a potential future star pg for Caruso was overstated, too, imo. They should've coughed up a pick or two and gotten somebody who could give them tough defense and shooting, who also can give them big scoring when needed.

[@ianr1318]

so good I listened to it twice

[@africadondada6555]

Trash take by Bontemps. That's the reaction.

[@wjack89]

Hard to see DDV go but this was a great move by the Knicks.

[@WAT_UWant]

Timberwolves is dumb for trading away their former number 1 pick its stupid 😂 thats why they never gonna win a championship

[@JoelKing-ct5en]

Couldn’t afford to keep him without losing other pieces

[@geraldfilsaime9249]

I know it’s painful for some of you to give credit to the Knicks but the Knicks are making good, smart moves.

[@CannedHam2479]

The West is getting weaker by the day. Minny, Clips, and Nuggets have gotten worse If Lakers can trade for Valencunis by the deadline, they have a shot as long as Bron/AD are healthy

[@WheresWaldo05]

Wolves just traded an all pro for an all pro and got a 6th man of the year candidate. Wolves were gonna have to rely on a 19 yr old rookie in dillingham. But not anymore. Donte can relieve Conley at pg now. Conley Ant Jaden Randle Gobert Naz Donte Naw Dillingham Ingles Shannon Jr. Is a way better team. Wolves had zero shot creation or ability to dribble and pass other than Ant and Conley. Mavs exposed it. Now randle and dilly and donte is way more. Lol.

[@CannedHam2479]

@@WheresWaldo05 We shall see

[@BuschLatte]

​@Nostalgia9478 Kat is soft and he doesn't bring much to this new age NBA

[@lakritz1987]

Good trade for both. NY gets its shooting BigMan (even though I don’t see KAT play any center-minutes). MT gets to split up a large bad contract of a player they no longer need (as Reid is ascending) while bolstering its bench mob with a versatile offense PF and a starting level SG with a great contract. I assume in 2-3 years MT will be happier with the trade.

[@Goatlikeitornot]

Both lost the trade

[@WAT_UWant]

Big fan of yours Russ , but you have no say because you didn't play well when you got traded to the Lakers 😂

[@Big_AL_Nowitzki]

Like every Westbrook trade

[@BuschLatte]

They all rich AF so who cares they all win

[@gatsby456]

The disappointment on the faces of everyone not Bobby Marks contradicts their takes on the Knicks... I'm here for it

[@tobyclark6534]

In my opinion, the Knicks moved from 3rd to 2nd in the East. I'm not sure about the T'wolves. Donte can close games, but I don't know how well Randle fits.

[@HeadShotKilla10]

I think the biggest thing this KAT trade tells us is that the Knicks Brass must believe Duce McBride is ready to taken on a much larger roll… after seeing how important Donte’s on ball defense and ability to stretch the court really benefited the Knicks in the playoffs, I don’t think Leon and the brass could afford to trade Donte unless they believe that Duce is ready to replace Donte’s role