Full Deathwatch Units Rules Revealed and Analysed

[@crsmith6226]

How are there so many errors? How do they not have an editor to catch these things? They’re a multi billion (as of 27 Aug 2024 ~4.5 billion USD) dollar company I expect more.

[@ravenRedwake]

Because they actively have disdain and hatred for us the players and collectors and just want us to sight unseen buy product and get excited for next product. The game is there as an excuse for us to buy more models-and they are going to half ass it as long as they can.

[@benjaminrogers8875]

It doesn't matter as they'll be out of date in less than a year.

[@Badbufon]

as any other multidollar company they cheap out in labor, they despise the customers and urinate over any notion of morals or humanity as long as the sacred green line goes up.

[@CComrade]

That Librarian about to be hitting people with Advanced Racism

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

[@ravenRedwake]

You think that would be the chaplains job.

[@CComrade]

The Chaplains are competitive racists

[@Cadllmn123]

Definitely gives "We gave the intern the old rules and told them to update them to 10th by Friday" vibes.

[@dxundownload8635]

Thank you! Im a very new player and went Deathwatch cause i love there lore and how they hold any and all marine chapters for my to customize. But then i heard all the naysayers but you have helped me see DW isnt dead. Just changed

[@Braindead154]

As someone new to 40k tabletop, the fact they renamed something the same name as another 40K tabletop game just confuses the hell out of me

[@Badbufon]

they like to do that a lot

[@HuntingHeresy]

So a Rhino can transport 12 Rhinos?! AWESOME!

[@sonarchy5158]

Matrhinoshka

[@timothylyons5686]

And this is why l don't do tournaments. I play for fun so my mates and l do what we want.

[@prestonjohnson1537]

I miss the fortis kill team in 9th. Combat squadding a team for a 5 man group of bikes that still had the infantry keyword was funny. Cant leave another comment, so ill add this on. If anyone plays online via TTS, lemme know. Id like to try and play 40k again sometime.

[@lukelloyd8976]

As much as Legends will obviously be accepted at most gaming tables...I suspect (unless you get lucky with your opponents/group), people are just going to get increasingly frustrated with you playing with your "technically legal" selections, with rules interactions they're unaccustomed to dealing with/don't have to deal with in 90% of matches, and someone will have a "quiet chat with you" While this is obvious unfair...doesnt make it untrue, and no-one will be doing it out of Malice/Malal 😂 The slight irony being how integral DW Kill teams are to an AoI list: Imperial Fleet, plus Draxus, Navy Breachers, probably Canis Rex etc

[@ninjarmy]

Ya know, I just want my black clad marines under one roof so they can benefit from a good synergy of rules, like any of the other codex divergent chapters. They could have put all the dw stuff in the imperial agents book like it is without Thanos snapping the rest of dw structure that was weak, but still worked like a codex divergent chapter. And I know I can use legends, and I will, but taking it off the app makes it harder to list build for casual players like me who rely on some software help to point out errors in a list.

[@Vanitycraft]

that will do vampire, that will do

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

The Deathwatch Killteam is called what it is because it's actually something you can build into two different killteams, Aquila and Malleus. Melee and Ranged firstborne I think? They should have just made it two different datasheets you can build out of a single kit, would have helped with the limited datasheets issue. NGL, I already homebrewed AoI to be nearly unrecognizeable compared to the codex release. Can you blame me? This release looked and felt INCREDIBLY half-assed.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

Malleus is the anti-monster ones (hence Malleus tactics rule). They liked thunderhammers but also meltaguns and lascannons. Aquilla KT are the versatile ones. KT Cassius is an Aquilla Kill Team. Good on you to homebrew, this book and PDF do feel very half-hearted

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber homebrewing is fun. I have almost enough units complete or in progress at this point for arbites alone that I could make a codex for them.

[@McFatson]

Hey Christian, if Legends is a conspiracy made by bored, ancient vampires who cancel models so they can vicariously experience the concept of death you'd tell us, right?

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

...but they are not dead... they are right here

[@McFatson]

I mean... kinda. It's less like death and more of a terminal diagnosis. Like, I think they won't be here in the next edition to revamp the rules. I miss Looted Tanks 😭

[@JustinBrown-gh9vv]

Yeah... this is unacceptable. It is absolutely unacceptable.

[@Shatteredzero1]

And just when I thought I had my DW army build figured out. That'll teach me. Christian, maybe as a video, what fixes/changes would you make? Like a combination of ninth and tenth edtions with some tweaking, or something else entirely? If you want to save it for a video, I'm good with waiting, even if its a year and a half later. No pressure.

[@dariostabletopminatures]

Gonna Soak this Up Later!

[@danielmartinezmartinez441]

The Deathwach stuff has been claimed by Chaos! Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull throne!

[@carysage]

I'm going to take 2 units of Sisters to a tournament 😂

[@MrFiremagnet]

I think you should run Deathwatch as a Codex Space Marines army, but with killteams and character as ally.

[@cptkrank6802]

If someone was just starting a DW army this would be my recommendation. Most of the above is for those of us who were working with the 9th-10th edition Primaris kill teams. I doubt they'll last into 11th edition, unless GW decides to do a real upgrade sprue for DW or an actual Primaris DW Veterans kit.

[@kevinr8207]

This is the GW recommandation.

[@JustinBrown-gh9vv]

Games Workshop's recommendation is noted... and duly ignored.

[@kevinr8207]

@@JustinBrown-gh9vv Yes, players throw tantrums (even if it's understandable)

[@JustinBrown-gh9vv]

@@kevinr8207 No tantrum, just confirming that GW doesn't decide what I do with my purchases.

[@procell6013]

How do you play deathwatch competitively: You don't.

[@Bluecho4]

Alternative: You run the bulk of your existing Deathwatch models as regular Space Marines, with some Assigned Agents for additional flavor.

[@matheusmoreiradeoliveira7395]

I'm considering to get a squad of terminators and give them the grey knights war gear

[@Minilopo18]

Tin foil but the boarding actions new book although taking into account the New AoTi codex when it comes to unit sizes and keywords when it comes to the AOTI detachments in the Boarding Actions book, the space marine detachments are written as if Deathwatch units still have the astartes keyword otherwise you cant use Artemis or the watch master in boarding actions or use any of the SM strategems in boarding actions with any of the deathwatch units it explcitly says you can take in the roster line ups

[@specter324thefallen6]

If they give us back all our kill-teams. Deathwatch can flourish

[@Delta285]

Why the hell did they increase procedures !? Is this just games workshop Telling me to stop using legends

[@jonasgrant]

Okay.... Okay... I am angry I lost my tanks, but I can work with this. I am not as livid as I one was. Goood. Oh, wait, nevermind, Legends rules. Fuck GW.

[@kevinr8207]

You have two codex to play deathwatch in 10th edition. The deathwatch player negativity ....😅

[@jonasgrant]

@@kevinr8207 Lucky me, two codexes where half my army isn't legal.

[@kevinr8207]

@@jonasgrant Why isn't legal ? I'm curious.

[@jonasgrant]

@kevinr8207 If I run them as agents, all the primaris models have no rules, if I run them as marines, all deathwatch specific units and load outs are useless.

[@kevinr8207]

@@jonasgrant You right. You can play all primaris models as Deathwatch (no useless imperial agents rules, useless deathwatch rules and useless legend rules) with just as Marines. Good, it's your choice and you lost nothing.

[@kuroshine]

Or... you could have old metal Legion of the Dead Minis

[@Waffle-Habit]

I feel like deathwatch is better off just using a detachment rule from Adeptus astartes.

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

The Corvus can transport any kill team. Its transport rules say nothing about different types of models costing extra slots.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

the "Kill Team" rule does specify that they take up more slots

[@HuntingHeresy]

Are you sure Emperor's Will doesn't mean you can move and shoot at the same time, then take your shooting phase as well? That seems heroically appropriate.

[@ravenRedwake]

Does this also mean grey knights aren’t in their own index anymore? Because I probably won’t give a shit and will just keep using the index anyways, I don’t play tournaments and I don’t buy codexes.

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

Grey Knights still have their own Index. Only a copy of one unit is in this Agents Codex They will get their own GK Codex in 2025 (confirmed)

[@drewstutts7678]

I was a bit late to the alien hunting party, but im sorta on board with space maries partying around with a bunch of weirdos

[@tonlito22]

Glad Games Workshop doesn't box lock legends units, it lets the Traitor Heavy Weapons Team exist.

[@JolsenUK]

Ive tried finding the legends doc but never takes me to it, just takes me to community home screen, anyone know where i can get it?

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

They changed the layout of the website: warcomprod2024productionstorage.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/warhammer40000_legends_agentsoftheimperium_eng_24.09-kpzfgqkce7.pdf should be what you are looking for

[@JolsenUK]

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber much appreciated, love the videos dude🤙🏼

[@DeusBlackheart]

Tight schedule or use of generative AI. Considering all the errors in recent books, it does start to looks like GW are cutting corners. I'd rather they space things out and let and edition run comfortably until the rules are ready.

[@arn1345]

Grey knights termies vs Deathwatch termies for allying into Sisters?

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

probably GK terminators. You weren't going to use that Requisition slot on Sisters So you can have both GK and DW terminators

[@arn1345]

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber thanks, funny vampire man

[@bg9994]

So to summarise; How to play Deathwatch? Don't

[@kevinr8207]

Deathwatch players need it ....🤣

[@AzkuulaKtaktu]

At least he have Legends and Crusade...

[@Zabzim]

Imperial agents do have an army wide ability (aside from imperial agents) and that’s the Shadow Operations rule which lets you switch out assassin at the start of a battle. But for some reason despite it being a unique rule for just imperial agents it’s not considered the army rule.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

Because it only effects 4 units. I would be less bothered if it covered all 7 assassins AoI should have, because the missing 3 assassins are niche and thus benefit most from Shadow Assignment.

[@Zabzim]

@@johnj.spurgin7037 imperial agents can’t take the other 3 assassins lol those are only for the sisters of battle

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

@@Zabzim nah, they're in HH and their temples are still around. GW is just lazy and stupid.

[@haloreaper1018]

10th edition is like spaghetti code

[@djdude2323]

Where do I find the legend datasheets

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

linked in the description

[@djdude2323]

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber thanks ( totally didn’t find it right after I made this comment )

[@kevinr8207]

Deathwatch players think their army is gone. But they don't realize that they can play with two codices (separately or together).

[@danielmartinezmartinez441]

Seriously. If you want to play deathwach Just play them as a regular space marine chapter. I personally prefer to play them as they are now: a force requisitioned by an inquisitor

[@superReyRey]

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[@PeterBonnici]

PLEASE NOTE LEGENDS ARE NOT REALLY USED OUTSIDE OF FLUFF GAMES. take this opportunity to learn a new army as most people at gaming clubs wont want to play an entire army of legends models.

[@Wind-Whistler]

If I’m going to be FORCED to switch to a new army, why wouldn’t I just switch to a new game instead? 🤔

[@kevinr8207]

@@PeterBonnici loyalist firstborn space marines will are an entire army of legends models.

[@V0LK0V]

If your buddies won’t play against a fluffy legends army, they aren’t your buddies :V

[@PeterBonnici]

@@V0LK0V kinda unfair to ask people to play against stuff that hasnt been balanced the entire addition let alone I'm fucking myself by playing with shit they dont want to support

[@V0LK0V]

@@PeterBonnici can’t relate. I only play with friends. When I want to play competitive 40K, I play in an RTT.