Full rubber roof installation, upvc soffits and fascia

sorry for the length of this and hopefully its not too much of a bore fest!!
/ oakwoodgardenrooms

[@craigwilliams6734]

Just started watching your channel & it’s very good! 1. You are not shouting 2. You are not fat, you are a normal build for a bloke 3. It’s nice to see someone who knows exactly what he’s doing! A lot of people don’t realise that proper tradesmen work at quite a rate!!! Good work

[@thegardenroomguru]

Thanks mate

[@LizaMiah]

Very nice tutorial, shows how quality workmanship goes into theses buildings. Thanks for the content.

[@fish4london75]

As a diy'er really enjoying these informative videos. I may not be a builder buts its all helping me think about the steps in my build so greatly appreciated. All the internet haters can hate, they will never get their soft skinned office hands dirty anyways.

[@davidrowlands2172]

Good job ; no messing, just a good, clean and well thought out job

[@ETH85]

The reason for contact adhesive round the edge is because that's the most stressful area of the roof and even thought trim nails it in place you still end up with bubbles around the edges after 12 month or so.. seen it plenty of times

[@PompeyMatt17]

I fitted an EPDM system to my garage roof 12 years ago. Best thing I ever did, brilliant stuff.

[@allthingsgardenbuildings]

Great video bud. Explained well, proper grafter

[@danielsbox27]

Brill work. I'm relatively new to the roofing business. I can appreciate your expertise. I am glad to see I'm doing just like you. Cheers

[@venchipux4726]

One of the very best videos explaining the process step by step!

[@bernardrowe4592]

I like the length of this video, really nice how you went into a lot more detail on the roof!

[@gripper58]

Great job one little suggestion try a decorating pole when applying glue so much easier both physically and more importantly on the old back

[@Surv1ve_Thrive]

Good point

[@casiodan]

Good timing. My roof is due to be delivered next week. I always understood the contact adhesive to be more about taking the pull when the epdm shrinks rather than holding it down.

[@thegardenroomguru]

Suppose that theory would be ok if temp at time off fitting was consistent, but it’s designed to be fit all year , and if the middle shrinks how would that effect the outside100mm , who knows, but never had a problem after using for years, I’ll go on the course one day 💪

[@casiodan]

william griffin yeah it wasn’t a criticism or anything. It’s probably my misunderstanding of it. In fact I spoke to a manufacturer today who has distributors in leeds, I was passed his details by a roof slate company we do some work for, and he said to do it like you did in this video.

[@thegardenroomguru]

Danny Whittingham don’t take me wrong mate, wasn’t being funny or anything, just after doing them we’ve decided this works, besides, try using the contact adhesive on a windy day 🤣🤣

[@hughmcclafferty684]

Hi Liam just did my rubber roof on gym for my daughter , watched your videos me joiner also but have picked up few good ideas from yourself 👍 one thing might help with 2 nd part gutter trim is to cut bit approx 12 long and use it to push up rubber first the capping piece is much easier to chap on once the return rubber is up under trim cheers shug

[@raymondbryan5209]

Thank you so much for all the information within your vids mate. Attention to detail and professionalism is second to none. Huge thank you

[@DerekTJ]

Great work - I learnt a lot! Brilliant to see a young girl getting stuck in to the manual work too - hope she finds more sensible things than tattoos to spend her earnings on. Youth!

[@TheRobeyRober]

Growing to love your videos, thanks so much! I’m putting my epdm roof on next weekend and this is the best video I can find on KZbin for installation 👍

[@samplum4150]

I love everything about your work ethic and attitude when working. It's easy to see you're a good worker. Only thing i want to add is the contract adhesive is highly recommended by the EPDM companies and there must be good reason for it. As someone else said it's likely to reduce stress and lifting. Otherwise brill job. Would be great to have an update video on this roof to see how it held up. That would shut myself and the neysayers up quick

[@thegardenroomguru]

😂there’s 40k people on my face book group, I’m estimating that at least 3k have followed my build packs and not used contact adhesive. Never an issue, fair enough if you’ve got upstands or adjoining a house wall. But it’s a flat roof with mechanical fixings to all edges, never had a problem 👌

[@bscott77]

Couldn’t have timed this better mate, put my facias on tonight and Epdm going on tomorrow. It’s only a big shed and not a garden room but pretty much built the same method and spec less the insulation and plasterboard. Thanks for another brilliant tutorial

[@thegardenroomguru]

Good luck, get it on before the storms that are forecast

[@stevewalters700]

I work in management for a big builders merchants beginning with T and I've gotta say I would happily have this quality of work in my own home. I understand editing can make anyone look great but, this guy uses the best gear and has clearly used it for years. I love the pre drill pre hammer method

[@thegardenroomguru]

If your up the chain at Travis it might be worth emailing me as I’ve a proposal you might want to look at 👍🏼 [e-mail]

[@gordonmcclung]

Proper craftsmanship your a credit to your trade. Well done...

[@markdarrall8136]

Hi Liam, love the garden room, maybe I missed it on the video, are you using 6x2. Thanks

[@thegardenroomguru]

5x2 in the roof

[@markdarrall8136]

Thanks

[@darenpickford328]

Great information just putting the roof on my 7 x 4 meter Garden room, Couldn't have done it without you. Thanks so much.

[@malcolmarmitage6843]

Great tutorial. Thank you. Is the roof flat flat or is there a slight pitch on it and if so how much please ??

[@thegardenroomguru]

slight mate, 25mm per mtr

[@TheRealAnthony_real]

I like how you drill and nail the stop ends of the sliding fascia trim which need to expand in the hear ..

[@MrQuasar1958]

Cracking job Bill, very informative,entertaining and professional. Can’t wait till the next one 👍🏻

[@rorymorris9512]

Thank you, really useful tutorial. Please can someone tell me the best place to buy these soffit and fascia boards? And also the edge trims? Thanks

[@adamtarpley5610]

Gd video. But why do you not use a pole with your roller. Will save back??

You make it look so easy William , Great video , thank you .

[@thegardenroomguru]

Thanks mate

[@chardonian1]

Amazing amount of info mate. You make it look so easy

[@stephenfuller1066]

Well done Liam another top demo and patient with Amy for air bubbles 👍🏻

[@wwss3330]

Really appreciate you going in depth in detail! It's my ambition to do what you do!

[@MarkJones-kq1oo]

Good genuine straight talking workman good teacher😊

[@NS-uq3pp]

Amazing insight and great details shared there Liam. Thanks. Where do you get the 2 part gutter trim from?

[@1Lance1984]

Gap plastics or Eurocell

[@gap9992]

Another great Video for us DIYers! I am just about to build my wife a posh shed and will use EPDM so this is very useful to see the upvc details. In fact I used a Butly Rubber pond liner on a shed I built 15 years ago and it is still going strong, Didn't even glue that one down! I have worked out the main difference between William and myself. He spends 5% of the time thinking and 95% working - I am the opposite ! lol

[@LeckyLIVE]

Great job again I love these builds. My apologies if you have covered this on previous videos. I understand the front over hang is 300mm as you use the 300mm soffit board but what size are the sides and back overhang mate? Cheers

[@thegardenroomguru]

We finish them so the 100mm soffit is fit to the end and the cladding covers the over side of that makes sense

[@jerrywarren6959]

Is the glue water resistant? Marking the joists is good but standard for decnt for chippies. Alternatively you could actually you could leave a 50mm expansion joint at each end,run a chalk line through and that would be good . Then if the are is out of square you simply cut off at the other end again leaving a 50mm expansion space . If out of square you may find that your cutting down from as an example 65mm to 43mm keeping your expansion space. However if an expansion space s not required or recommended reduce your gap to say 2mm ,chalk line follow through and square up the other end . Glue would be recommended then you’ve got a belt and braces job taking into account any heating up and cooling down of external weather conditions/ temperatures and condensation etc which can accumulate and cause unnecessary issues between the fascia and boarding

[@markyoung7931]

Been catching up with this clip again, now we have some better weather gonna start my roof this weekend. Thanks for great instructional viewing.

Great Video William , You make it look so easy Thank You.

[@arybaz6329]

Thats what you call a proper job. Well done

[@MilosStevanovic1]

Love it man. You can tell this guy knows what he is talking about.

[@robstuart7485]

Hi William, great job again. Just wanted to check something, the first sterling board joint you showed was inbetween the two roof joist. Just double checking if that is ok to do. Thanks.

[@thegardenroomguru]

Course it is mate, once it’s glued, it’s a 5x3 osb roof board! It’s never failed yet, and I’m only 12 stone, but one of the guys closer to 15, not a squeak 💪

[@robstuart7485]

@@thegardenroomguru cheers William good to know. That makes it much easier when I do 👍

[@laidbackmedia]

It's 6x2 osb

[@timmo5443]

@@thegardenroomguru You dont really need to Glue the OSB3 board, I only glue mine when its to be walked on. Good channel mate. Where do you get all your fascias from?

[@Cedricbrasey]

Wow! thanks for the guide. Really helpful and interesting. A question for you now, Using this method will this be enough to use will a sedum roof or is more required?

[@TheNickHorton]

The hammer trick for spacing....brilliant 👍🏻

[@thegardenroomguru]

Until one of the guys puts all the poly tops in the same box no matter the size🤦🏻‍♂️and there all up and down 🤬

[@shahinrashed]

Excellent video! Really informative and clear. Quick question. I’m creating a balcony area and wanted ask if Epdm rubber would’ve a good idea as we will be walking on it? I also may wanted add decking to it obviously not nailing into the roof but a floating timber frame sitting on top with deck boards on that? What would you say?

[@immortalgraphics]

Good work. I can't see where ventilation is for joists though?

[@diddsdaddiddsdad6865]

Hi, I’ve been pulling my hair out trying to figure out the gutter edge. Even the manufacturer video doesn’t explain like you. Thanks. I feel confident now.

[@DB1956]

If you don't have biceps like William or hands like mallets you might struggle with the two part gutter trim - I did. I got it in by pushing up from below and using a rubber mallet. Thanks William, great vid as usual.

[@thegardenroomguru]

pmsl, it can be a real arse to get in can't it, ive fit loads now and in the colder months, im bloody cursing it I can tell you

[@brahimtouil2031]

Great job, well done. I am about to do the same, please can you advise me how to tack the end of rubber into the wall please so won't have any leak. Thank you

[@toomanycastles4923]

Will be following this when I do my roof in a couple of weeks. Thanks for making it.

[@LycariGaming]

Will this work to replace the slate tile roof on the brick shed attached to the back of.my house?

[@jordy798]

if that's permaroof edge trim I believe your meant to use a sponge strip which u peal and stick to underside of trim which meets rubber then compress down and fix trim or u use black silicone its to stop water running under trim and spilling down outer edges also contact adhesive on all perimeters to minimise shrinkage

[@thegardenroomguru]

Love a bit of over engineering but it’s too far, no problems as of yet and done more than a few, silicone on that heat absorbing surface won’t stick longer than a week, and then looks like a balls up when it’s all coming off, the sponge stop is unnecessary as it’ll never stop the rain.

[@jordy798]

@@thegardenroomguru thats what manufacturer recommends also if u where to use silicone u put it where sponge strip would be so u don't see it unless you over do it but it does stick. Also let's say one of your trims blow off your rubber gona lift with the wind if not glued around edge an over sight yes but wind can destroy and lift anything

[@thegardenroomguru]

Appreciate what your saying, but the trim is held on with ring cut nails, I’ve had to remove them before, if the wind removes them, it’s pulling the full roof off anyway they are impossible to pull out, I break and bend until snap to remove, experience tells me this. No body buys the foam strip mate, if you wanna that’s your up to you. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jordy798]

@@thegardenroomguru I don't buy foam strip either I use silicone but its never seen but I sometimes buy from local supplier and his gutter trims and edge trims all come with foam strip already attached and its good job. not saying anyone right or wrong here its what manufacturer recommends.

[@thegardenroomguru]

Manufacturers cover their arse, you gotta do what works best for you, I’ve done the silicone under the trim, it failed, I moved on 🕺

[@oxonltdconstructionandreno3384]

Good job mate, what company do you use for the rubber, the gutter drip system they use looks good.

[@thegardenroomguru]

Northern building plastics atm

[@crazyoldmaninthewoods]

Great video. How would you advise butt joining OSB sheet that is not TnG to ensure it is flat for the rubber sheet? Cheers, Andy

[@SimplyChrono]

Love it mate, can see your passionate about providing a quality job and having a good name. 2 Q’s do the sides not need guttering and also do yo7 U not create the pitch with furrings? Thanks mate

[@donien3113]

Do you square of your rafters to make fascia flat or leave them as is with a small angle from the pitch?

[@thegardenroomguru]

Just leave them mate, it’s not noticeable

[@donien3113]

Thanks william griffin keep up the good work! Inspiration!

[@swissanthony]

Another brilliant video....How do you fit the side trimmers to the roof joists ? Do the noggins for the trimmers sit on the wall top plates ? Once again , many thanks for these excellent tutorials !!!

[@thegardenroomguru]

I’ll do a video on this as been asked it lots

[@donien3113]

Waiting to see this myself...at that stage on my build and I’ve the gap from top of wall to the side trimmer..wondering how to close it off and insulate the gap

[@TheSmytho]

Great job mate.Quick question do vents need to be fitted in the soffit for the roof to breath?

[@robertakrigg6645]

Top job. Did my roof last week its not rocket science to put em on !!!

[@vertclimbergaz]

Brilliant video pal 👍.. Could I just ask which Rubber kit you used as I am about to do one ruffly the same size.. Cheers pal

[@brendantully1950]

Great video. Just saw it. I haven't seen the type of kit used on this roof here in the States. Am I missing something? ty

[@shauneyres6783]

hi mate, really good work as ever! do these garden rooms need plannkng permission? and how do you work out timber sizes and lintels? structural engineer or just experience? be interested to know as im looking into one cheers!

[@thegardenroomguru]

No planning required in 99% of builds Over engineering every time, provides a good build

[@shauneyres6783]

william griffin yeah the quality you produce it amazing! so you dont use a structural engineer? as i said only asking as im looking into one so just wandering really

[@neilmcintyre4376]

Brilliant videos and well explained. Great workmanship too 👍

[@bradyalbers]

GREAT work and detail! Are you able to share the material manufacturer, product names and, if possible, links to where to buy? Thanks.

[@marklloyd6433]

Hi, great videos. Do you use that stronger glue on the perimeter, or just that water based adhesive over the whole thing? As someone who has done loads, is it worth the extra cost/ bother? Cheers

[@jj-2288]

Great job, can you tell me where you got the kerb trims from, I like the lush look against the fascia and struggling to source. Many thanks

[@Ben-yw2vh]

perfect timing for me mate! fitting my first rubber roof and all the trimmings next week. Thanks for these vids, priceless 😁👍🏻

[@Ben-yw2vh]

@@AH-yg4qp it went very well, its a really easy system. the two things to watch out for are to ensure the joints of your roof boards are perfectly sealed, sanded and flush. I have one joint that wasnt T&G and you can tell as it has a very slight ripple along it. the other thing is make sure you dont cut the overhang too short as it needs more than you think to wrap up under the gutter trim. Mine was about 5mm too short in several places and the rubber kept popping out. If that happens I recommend cutting some small sections off the trim to use as shims. worked a treat for me. Good luck! 😎👍

[@faroqhussain3361]

Very nice mate keep up with your video’s we are always learning thanks 😊

[@bpocirl]

Hi William. Is the gutter trim and side kerb always matched to the fascia colour. Northern building plastics saying they dont stock anthracite grey - only black. Would black trim on grey fascia look OK?

[@thegardenroomguru]

It’ll look fine, I do know you can get anthracite on line though, doors in anthracite look good with black handles and seals, it’s a good combo

[@bpocirl]

@@thegardenroomguru You are a top man! Thanks fella

[@thegardenroomguru]

Good luck with it, you’ve obviously got far already

[@mushtaqmanzoor2001]

My self build is 16x16 , I'm just @ this stage now . Been to get prices & found a place which dose meter trims in black you think they will be any good .

[@alexcottrell1807]

My build is pretty much the same size as this so it’s co-incidentally perfect, very informative and detailed, really appreciate this! How much overhang from the edge of the roof fascia to the outer face of the cladding do you generally leave please?

[@Andersen-Roofing]

Excellent job, what’s the make of rubber plz?

[@Kic13]

Good video mate, Is there any need to use vented soffit board on a cold roof? Or is it possible to leave a small gap that the cladding would hide visually but air would still get through?

[@thegardenroomguru]

a warm roof is impossible on the height of these builds, as we keep under the 2.5 rule. we push the insulation tight to the underside of the roof board. this then prevents the trapped air from condensation as there is no air to condensate.

[@paulyoull5472]

Hi there, just after some advice on the rubber itself. What do you do when you get a large crease in it that won’t brush out? I’ve just done a 7m x 3.5m on my garage roof today and it had one from when it was folded. The only solution I had was to put weight on it overnight. Fingers crossed for tomorrow. This is the second roof I’ve done following your system so I know it won’t be the last so want to be prepared for the next. 🤣🤣

[@davelinkson1]

Had an apex roof shed with rubber roof membrane installed but the fitters never used any adhesive, when I asked why, they said they now dont glue rubber roofs as the adhesive doesn't work, but I think thats bull and believe it should be glued down, so am now querying this with the company..btw, good video thanks..

[@handle1196]

Great video, very informative. Can I ask, in your builds, is there a reason you use aluminium bifold doors over UPVC, is it for expansion purposes with it being timber frame?

[@earlslick1]

This is a great one Liam-such professionalism and clear instructions. Thanks mate, really appreciate your detail In the vids and really helpful. At every stage of my build I'm clicking onto your tutorials👍🏼💪

[@tonybutler9523]

Great job by a top tradesman

[@nickhipwood3491]

Hi Liam, Great video, very well presented and thorough. Is it possible to have a list of suppliers for the rubber roof and soffits, guttering etc?

[@thegardenroomguru]

Hi we get all our roofing and plastics from Northern Building Plastics mate, they deliver nationwide I believe

[@rebeljustice.3876]

A new Estwing.... Nice work.. .

[@dubtasticlife8840]

Is it better to use the tongue and grooved steerling boards rather than using the bigger 8 by 4 foot boards that wont be tongue and grooved but less joints snd faster to put down?

[@antonyhawkridge8202]

Hi matey Got a brick built unit 4.2m x 6.1m When you order do you order 4.5 x 6.5 or do the come with enough overhang etc Also do I order with you or do you recommend a supplier Fantastic work 👏

[@jbmaintenanceservices2699]

Evening William....love watching these vids...the best bits are when you get well into it and miss words and letters out 🤣🤣😁 only messing....keep up the good work 👌👌👌

[@thegardenroomguru]

Mate, my mind turns to crap! I noticed I call the boards os3, I’ve forgotten the b, but I hear myself pause, then steam on 🤣

[@daveknight1057]

great video,been watching a few as doing my own build,where do youget your upvc especially those edge trims with slotted holes,cant find anywhere? cheers dave

[@thegardenroomguru]

Northern building plastics mate

[@MikeSmith-ek6mc]

Really enjoying your videos. Did you leave a lip on the roof for the rubber to bend over and if so how big was it. Cheers bud

[@sincerelyinsincere9268]

Would rollering the adhesive on with a roller and pole maybe save your back a bit? Good job, now subbed :)

[@thegardenroomguru]

It’s messy and if you slip, that roller is going to roll itself right down the fascia, past experience tells me 🤦🏻‍♂️backs like the rest of me, MOT is run out and held together with tape

[@bmwx5msport735]

Your timings perfect mate, just about to fit my roof. 👍🏼

[@josephfritzl3310]

Great job! I’ve been looking at these for my build. Do you have a recommended supplier?

[@thegardenroomguru]

Bone of contention here mate, I’ll infill shortly. I need the best because I build my thing on the best, give me a week and I’ll iodate

[@gswan666]

Was going to ask the same question....where do you get your epdm kit and sofit boards for edge trimming....?

[@jerrywarren6959]

Other than that I observe that you’ve carried out a good meaningful job. Well done fellas nice to see some care and pride in a trades work. Unfortunately it’s very very rare during these times

[@01fudge]

Great job buddy the guy in the roofing merchant didn’t have a clue how the edpm drip trim was fitted, thanks for the tutorial on that

[@tube2245]

Hey. I’m busy doing a 3x5 flat roof studio. I was planning on adding 55mm furring strips to create a fall for water. Doesn’t this mess with with the corner strips? How do you go about it. I noticed you’re roof is flat. Really need some help on this. Cheers, great channel!

[@andymac77vlogs34]

Evening Mr. Griffin. Another quality job and quality video. Following you on Instagram now too! All being well, my garden room will be about 7m by 4m. Only French doors though! Bi-folds very nice indeed but very expensive. Gonna start on it soon. Can’t wait.

[@thegardenroomguru]

You’ll regret not using bifolds, honestly, if you can, stretch your budget somehow, there not much more than f/doors, thanks for your support mate, always good to hear from you

[@erf05]

Hi, great video. Just about to do a 10m x 6m rubber roof. Quick question - why do you glue the boards together? Thanks Eddie

[@GaroMatossian]

Make sure no gaps form in the joints. Any space under the rubber will make puncture more likely. I'm not a roofer, but I am a contractor and I'm fairly certain this is the main reason.

[@yanistsiopani2120]

Just like that!! Haha another cracking job. Thank you for sharing.

[@royalstevep68]

Nice one. When applying the adhesive why not use a roller pole extension to save your back.

[@thegardenroomguru]

if you slip and roll over the face of the fascia, it won't come off, its a back breaker but safer

[@Palo-jm7xc]

14:35 Ivan is still there to this day waiting to be able to make noise again!

[@keyser5016]

Im getting up close now to 2.5meter flat garage roof, when you put the fixings on for a rubber roof how much higher does it take the roof

[@banditali]

Hi Liam, can you tell me who you use for your facias & soffits please?

[@charlesbryant3515]

Nice job, what company did you get the trim from?

[@Helmutsmit]

Nice one fella, you made that look easy, it’s only easy, if you’ve got the know how. 👏👏

[@brod5079]

Good cardio there and the girl’s getting stuck in! Nearly brushed through the roof!