FULL VIDEO Reason and Theology's Michael Lofton Doubles Down On His Ignorance of Orthodoxy

[@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727]

A few months ago Mr Lofton deleted your invitation to participate in discussion (200% time offer) which I placed under his video. He did it 3x and I was blocked by YT from commenting for 24 hours. Mr Lofton proved yet again that he is a coneman and his theology is pure propaganda, CNN style or worse.

[@ubipetrus3882]

His MO is to talk a tough talk and then pretend challengers don't exist. When Lofton did a series of videos responding to Taylor Marshall's book, Lofton could not stop harping on the fact Marshall ignored the videos and wouldn't enter debate or discussion. Fast forward to now when Lofton does the same thing to us and thinks it is fine.

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

Absolutely. In fact I was a member & tried to have dialog, yet constantly attacked by him & his modernist fanboys who labeled me as "fundamentalist", telling me to "chill". He was scared to engage my arguments & refused to answer me on why the modern Catholic-Thomistic view is not Modalism.

[@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727]

​@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy defetism is s sign o weakness. Poor choice leads to poor consequences.

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

@@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727 Sure is. His show now is basically clown show of constant gossip & he talks with his members (many have forbidden images on their profiles) about demonic earthly filth like sci-fi movies & trashy stuff, thinking it is compatible with Christianity, unbelievable...

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

@@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727 Sure is, that us why his shows now are constant arrogant clown gossip & he talks with his members about demonic sci-fi movies, thinking it is compatible with the faith.

[@LukeAmos-j9m]

Your watching reason and theology live, "Does Pope Francis: exists, boom Orthodoxy debunked"

[@nullclass0813]

*deboonked

[@sorenrousseau]

Are you a time traveler?! Video says 2 weeks old. Your comment says 4 weeks ago. What in the Francis?

[@LukeAmos-j9m]

@@sorenrousseau I comented before the stream was life

[@SUDMONEYBAGS]

Please pray for my country of Armenia! as mentioned in this video we used to be chalcedonians and accept Chalcedon but now we're Oriental "Orthodox" Please pray for us so that we may become Eastern Orthodox

[@SUDMONEYBAGS]

There aren't alot of Eastern Orthodox here most likely less than 10K and most of them are of Russian or Ukrainian descent

[@private_channel11]

☦️🙏

[@dametheswordsaint232]

how did armenia become oriental ?

[@MrCatchMeIfYouCan31]

They claim that because they were not invited to the Chalcedon Council, they won't recognize it.

[@acekoala457]

The Armenian Church hasn't made any Saints since the 1700s, outside of the Martyrs of the Genocide, but I doubt the Clergy will convert to Orthodoxy, this is on the Laity.

[@SolarSiege]

Ibn Lofton al Mutah is such a good roman apologist may Allah reward him🙏🏻

[@Danielqu976]

Bruh???😂😂

[@langluigi]

Ubi is goated. Don’t ever leave us Ubi.

[@traditionallenses]

Time to pop some popcorn 🍿

[@hippopilot6750]

Thank you for making more of these full videos public.

[@williamsmith5049]

I can't actually watch this, listening to Lofton talk is maddening.

[@MaximusWolfe]

Thinking about how many sincere people he confuses with his blundering is disheartening.

[@t.l.ciottoli4319]

it is painful. the slowness and dumbness of it all.

[@LadyMaria]

That's not charitable, dawg.

[@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727]

​@@t.l.ciottoli4319 Yep. I feel the same, especially when lofton starts his 'rhetoric' ... ("really..... just think about it for a while....")😱😳

[@astoranoble8915]

Humans can detect insincerity in other people. Even if it's a surface level thing, we can all hear Lofton's fake R&B accent, and it immediately evokes maddened reactions because if someone is gonna be disingenuous about something like that, what else are they being disingenuous about?

[@tbnrcreator.official]

This was very charitable and nuanced.

[@XiHamORTHOCN]

This is great work ☦️☦️☦️

[@mathieuconklin3146]

how can your video be 1/4 the length of loftons and infinitely more thorough lol

[@MaximusWolfe]

Lofton is sexually aroused by the sound of his own voice. That much is indubitable.

[@MaximusWolfe]

Lofton is clearly aroused by the sound of his own droning. That much is indubitable.

[@orthochristos]

Poor Lofton getting slapped around intellectually...

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

☦️This false prophet & Zionist clown is a Trojan horse even in the Catholic Church. Report his videos by the thousands & demonitize this grifter who drags souls to hell with him...

[@rsissel1]

Lofton Apologetic Method 1. That did not happen 2. And if it did, it doesn't change anything 3. And if it does, it's no big deal 4. And if it is, it's not the Pope's fault.

[@billyhw5492]

Premieres in...16 days?!

[@AdithiaKusno]

Please pray for Michael Lofton he is applying for priesthood 🙏 He blocked me despite we're both Byzantine Catholics. Very sad how he burned bridges. Please invite Erick Ybarra to talk about Michael Lofton.

[@AmericanwrCymraeg]

How is he applying for priesthood? He's not canonically eligible.

[@acekoala457]

He is a Divorcee with a second wife. He is not eligible for the Priesthood and any Bishop that lets him move through is engaged in Spiritual Abuse.

[@dp34576]

I'm ByzCath too. I think he blocked me too. Edit: nvm just saw he left an uncharitable reply to my comment

[@tynytian]

Aren't catholic priests required to be celibate?

[@MaximusWolfe]

I’ll pray that all of you convert to Eastern Orthodoxy. Until you extricate your selves from that deviancy you are equally external to the Church Christ inaugurated and ergo, external to Christ Himself.

[@orthodoxwitness2374]

Michael Lofton's criterion for magisterial authority is that it must have the ability to be arbitrary and contradict prior magisterial teachings. Explains why he's a supporter of Vatican II.

[@justanotherlikeyou]

Ubi watches R&T so we don't have to. 👍 for your service, sir!

[@ΆγιοςΙερώνυμος-χ2γ]

Question: So if it’s the Georgian Church that continues the Armenian synod that accepted Chalcedon, why does the Georgian Church use the Byzantine rite liturgically and not the Armenian?

[@acekoala457]

Because of the 13th Century Liturgical Reforms in Greece and the Georgian Kings wanting to look Greek.

[@LadyMaria]

From the Armenian church UK about the Armenian Liturgical Rite: "The Armenian Liturgy is celebrated with a form and ceremonial which partakes in a measure both of the Roman and Byzantine rites." I'll have to look into this more.

[@olubunmiolumuyiwa]

@@acekoala457 I see your comments everywhere and love the wealth of knowledge you have, do you have a reddit or blog post where I can find more of your comments?

[@ubipetrus3882]

For the same reason that the Syriac-speaking communities who accepted Chalcedon eventually came to use the rite of Constantinople: everyone wanted to be like "The City" (that was the common term used for Constantinople among Greek speakers). The Rite of Constantinople is an imperial rite that was meant to reflect the majesty of the imperial court and as it slowly accumulated aspects of other rites into one layered on top of that thick Syriac foundation, other kingdoms wanted to copy it to show they were part of the Byzantine Commonwealth and once it entered the imperial city of Georgia, well, everyone wanted to be like the capital city. This is one of the reasons why the Nikonian Reforms in 17th century Russia never needed to be implemented with violence or even with law as they were - had they simply been implemented in the cathedral(s) in Moscow, within a few decades, almost everyone would have been doing them without a struggle due to the prestige or "auctoritas" that the capital cities have always had in cultural matters.

[@ΆγιοςΙερώνυμος-χ2γ]

@@ubipetrus3882thank you for that explanation. That makes a lot of sense. I wish though that they had preserved these local rites (like the Armenian and Syriac) while still remaining Orthodox in faith. This isn’t related to the video, but were the Maronite Christians ever Orthodox?

[@Ensor-Doone]

Does the Council of Crete 2016 contain any heresies?

[@orthodoxwitness2374]

It teaches Ecumenicism, which is heretical. However, it was not a true pan-Orthodox council since it was not universally received. Many local Orthodox churches were either not present or rejected its teaching.

[@OrthodoxJoker]

So you have any videos refuting Vatican Catholic?

[@stevenirizarry9427]

He does kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX6tZZ6Ynbmapc0si=x3tbR5cXw7-JTsFF

[@NavelOrangeGazer]

I think the vid is called when larping goes wrong.

[@d.rey5743]

Yeah

[@kianoghuz1033]

Vaticancatholic refutes itself by believing the donation of constantine as true

[@St.MosestheBlack]

Vatican Catholic can accept Ubi open debate challenge anytime

[@Nich011]

Ubi, do you have some advice for people looking into orthodoxy coming from a very culturally catholic/evangelical background? I live in Brazil, and my family is evangelical, but as you probably know latin america is pretty, well, latin. I have spent the last year or so learning and praying, and am convinced of Apostolic christianity, but i have a very difficult time choosing orthodoxy over catholicism, not because of theology or doctrine, but because i cannot help myself but see the orthodox churches as highly ethnic. I know it is not an actual problem, and the church is universal, but there isn't a "Brazillian Orthodox" church or community, only those from other countries, frequented by the most part by immigrants or the descendants of orthodox immigrants. I yearn to join the orthodox church, but i feel as if i'm leaving behind my cultural identity. Is it too much pride on my part?

[@Nich011]

I also feel like i am ignoring an entire host of important and venerable people by taking orthodoxy's stance of not accepting catholic saints. There are many figures in brazillian history which were key in the evangelization and christian identity of the country. Do all catholic saints after the schism really go down the "no-no" sphere? I have a hard time believing that the many pious catholic men and women troughout our history are factually "wrong" when all they knew was that they followed christ trough the apostolic church, holding onto the traditions and scriptures as much as they could. I am not by any means saying the catholic church is right, as by now i am almost wholeheartedly convinced that orthodoxy is true, but it all seems so "niched". Even more niched than my family's particular evangelical church (which is actually a pretty big "church" in our country)

[@XiHamORTHOCN]

​@@Nich011 it will take more time to gain the Orthodox mind, please talk to local Orthodox priests to gain the phyletism. The latinized Brazilian culture is more ethnic than a culture baptized by Christianity, it's just an ethnos that is so completely overwhelmingly pushed on the western world, you're like a fish in water. As for the ecumenism, there is no "generic Christianity." Prayer, fasting, almsgiving, reading the church fathers and asking their intercession will help you realize, as I did, that these issues were not an issue for Christians. To be Orthodox is to be Christian. God bless!

[@cozzwozzle]

“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.” - Luke 14:26

[@cozzwozzle]

It’s pride brother. You will find an eternal home in Orthodoxy. Maybe your joining the Orthodox Church in Brazil, will be one step towards there being a Brazilian Orthodox Church for your grandchildren.

[@Nich011]

@@cozzwozzle thank you for the answer. I know what i have to do, but it is just so very difficult... i also believe that for change to take place i must be a part of it, it just feels very strange to leave the occident altogether looking for christ's church. I imagine that was what the romans who converted felt like when christianity started to spread as well though, and i hope to follow christ above all in the end. Please pray for me, you all. Thr journey has been very difficult.

[@kostpap3554]

On the successfully healed schisms, the schism between Antioch and Jerusalem, which ended in October 2023, should also be included.

[@ubipetrus3882]

The video was made before that, we are just relasing them at this point.

[@kostpap3554]

@@ubipetrus3882 I know, I was just writing the comment for those that may not know. Do you happen to know if Antioch did, in the meantime, sign any of the 2016 Council documents?

[@thatsriiiiight4170]

Can you respond to william albrechts recent 'rebuttal'

[@ubipetrus3882]

a) Did you watch his entire video? b) Did you watch our entire video? c) With time stamps and detailed descriptions explaining what you find difficult about those spots to respond to, list the top ten moments you want replied to.

[@ubipetrus3882]

@@icxcnika2037 He spent two hours not responding to a video he claimed to be responding to - it was two hours of halting reading, lisping, and boasting.

[@hippopilot6750]

Is the description the same as the previous version? Video says to look in the description for more on the Armenians but nothing's there. Edit: Thanks for the correction

[@henrik_worst_of_sinners]

In a nutshell the Roman Catholics make category errors when it comes to the hierarchy.

[@Casey-cs5pu]

God is absolutely simple. Therefore orthodoxy is wrong. If God is necessary then his attributes are necessary. If God has different attributes then this leads to a contradiction. For example if God has attributes of mercy and wrath then God is simultaneously merciful and wrathful at the same time since they are necessary. If that’s not the case and God can be merciful or wrathful in different circumstances, then those are accidents of God and so God is not necessary. So, in reality, God cannot have multiple, different attributes

[@ubipetrus3882]

Ryan Mullins wrote a syllogism (or series of them) responding to ADS. Fesser managed to look like a simpleton trying to respond to it but perhaps you can do better than he did: theopolisinstitute.com/conversations/the-doctrine-of-divine-simplicity/

[@CP3CP3CP3]

​Feser * is goated. You couldn't hang. ​@@ubipetrus3882

[@TwinCitiesOxygen]

This video was great minus the occasional passive aggressive tone and the whole - you can’t watch Star Trek and be a worthwhile father part

[@primuspilushb]

I seriously doubt he has ever read any of those books behind him in his videos.

[@vonschlief3809]

Where is Ubi from? Irish? That accent is hard to locate

[@ChristianEphraimson]

It sounds very similar to American Midwest, maybe a slight tinge from the northern areas. That's my guess at least.

[@prometheusjones6580]

Excellent as always. "katholikoses" instead of "katholikoi" triggers my autism.

[@adrianwhyatt594]

RT: Reason & Theology. Romanist arrogant Twaddle. Time you did something on healing the World Orthodox - True Orthodox split.

[@Jamric-gr8gr]

How do orthodox Christians deal with Florence? Didn't your bishops accept florence?

[@ubipetrus3882]

No. Only two of the patriarchates ratified it (Constantinople and Alexandria).

[@Jamric-gr8gr]

@ubipetrus3882 Are you sure?

[@ubipetrus3882]

@@Jamric-gr8gr The burden of proof is on you to present documents signed by the patriarchs. To this day, I am only aware of information on two of them: Constantinople and Alexandria. If you don't believe me, you can read "The Council of Florence" by the Catholic priest and scholar Fr. Joseph Gill SJ.

[@Jamric-gr8gr]

@ubipetrus3882 ye I know the bishops weren't physically present but their representatives were there and many bishops conceded to Florence at their home cities until the representatives returned home

[@ubipetrus3882]

@@Jamric-gr8gr So was Pope Nicholas bound by the decisions of his legates to Constantinople 861?

[@jacobfavret1729]

Him bragging about memorizing the office and Star Trek while claiming he doesn’t have enough time to prepare for these discussion is wild 😂 clown show

[@christianorthodoxy4769]

Mic`H£€L 🔥🐾🐈Lofton singing at the Piano! 🎼🎹🎧🎵🎶 Reason' Reason Reasons... 🔥🤭😳😲💥😕 REASONS 🎤

[@nomassgoer8350]

I’d debate you, but you don’t understand percentages, so I’m not sure how well you’d do

[@ubipetrus3882]

Then it should be easy for you. What specifically would you like to debate on?

[@nomassgoer8350]

How about we debate on Matthew 16:17-19. And the debate is, was Peter the first pope? And if so is there salvation outside of the Church?

[@ubipetrus3882]

@@nomassgoer8350 What specifically about Matthew 16:17-19 would you like to debate? I'm booked out until late August but Saturday mornings after 10am are typically good for me. If you come on our channel, you get 150% of my time.

[@E-pistol]

Orthodox is a fancy name for protestant, especially in amedica💫

[@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727]

roman catholic is a fancy name for a mini-state with its own bank, usury business and an interesting educational programme.

[@E-pistol]

@@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727 , nope, it's world wide baby.

[@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727]

​@@E-pistolsure, a worldwide franchise, practically absent a the Jesus tomb in Jerusalem where all it started.

[@E-pistol]

@@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727 , the Church is findable and known, on a lampstand for everyone to see ❤️

[@E-pistol]

@@starozytnawiarasw.onufrego8727 , nobody even knows about the Orthodox Church.

[@astoranoble8915]

Oh boy, we're checking back in with Mr. Fake R&B Voice. Should be a good one

[@OrthodoxJoker]

Yo wachin reazon an theowlawgy livvve

[@nikstrt]

With regards to the first point : Surprise ! Opponents of the faith are decieving ! (Not really a surprise)

[@MalarkusD]

Raisins and Pathology

[@dustinneely]

Cope and seethe Lofton!

[@KentNatalie-v2k]

Langworth Ways

[@John_Six]

Which Orthodox church? Kirill's or Bartholomew's?

[@kianoghuz1033]

Which Catholic church? FSSP, SSPX, Novus Ordo or Eastern catholics that venerate saints who rejected the pope?

[@therealkingbaldwin]

It's one church. Lay people can commune in the greek or russian jurisdictions.

[@John_Six]

@@therealkingbaldwin "The Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church, at its session on October 15, 2019, in Minsk, adopted a Statement of the Holy Synod concerning the encroachment of the Patriarchate of Constantinople upon the canonical territory of the Russian Orthodox Church. The Holy Synod members deemed it impossible to continue to be in the Eucharistic communion with the Patriarchate of Constantinople. It is stated in particular that ‘to admit in communion the schismatics and a person anathematized by another Local Church together with all the ‘bishops’ and ‘clergy’ ordained by them, the encroachment upon somebody else’s canonical parts, the attempt to reject one’s own historical decisions and commitments - all this places the Patriarchate of Constantinople outside the canonical space and, to our great grief, makes it impossible for us to continue the Eucharistic communion with its hierarchy, clergy and laity. ‘From now on till the Patriarchate of Constantinople abandons its anti-canonical decisions, it is impossible for all the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church to concelebrate with the clergy of the Church of Constantinople, and for the laity to participate in sacraments administered in its churches’, the document states."

[@John_Six]

@@therealkingbaldwin From another article "It is for this reason that the Russian Church did not and does not separate itself from anything that is holy and truly ecclesial in the Church of Constantinople, but does not believe it possible to participate in uncanonical actions of its Primate, hierarchs and clergy, seeking to safeguard its faithful from them as well. Therefore, the forced refusal to participate in the sacraments of the Patriarchate of Constantinople as it entered in full ecclesial communion with those lacking apostolic succession is dictated by the reverence of the Eucharist and impossibility to share with schismatic, even indirectly, the holiness of the Sacrament. The forced severance of communion with the Church of Constantinople is dictated by our concern for preservation of the purity of the faith and strict observance of the church Tradition. We lift up fervent and zealous prayers to one God glorified in the Trinity for an early end of the trouble caused by the Patriarchate of Constantinople and for the restoration of unanimity and love in the Orthodox Church. 1 John Zonaras: ‘Those in unlawful gatherings shall re-join the Church if they appeal with appropriate repentance and shall be often accepted in the same degree’. Theodore Balsamon: ‘However, those who arrange unlawful gatherings shall be re-united with the church if they properly repent, so they are often accepted in former degrees. Alexios Aristenos: ‘Such, if they repent and reform through appropriate repentance and appeal, shall be reunited with the church as one body’ (Interpretation of Rule 1 of St. Basil the Great)."

[@johnnyd2383]

@@John_Six Jurisdictional disputes over canonical territory has nothing to do with the doctrines of the Church. We are united in ONE faith (Eph 4,5) regardless of our carnal problems that appear and get resolved. Your comment is malicious in nature or you are completely ignorant of the ways Orthodoxy operates.

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

What’s the orthodox response to the critique that their churches aren’t even in communion with each other and have different doctrine and can’t have an ecumenical council to decide what is doctrine because of this?

[@david-al-sayyid]

Our churches are in communion though, that's a bit of an unfair generalization. I'm assuming you're referring to the ceasing of communion between Constantinople and Moscow, right?

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

@@david-al-sayyid that, Ukraine, i believe there’s a problem with Greece and Russia and another one that’s slipping my mind.

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

Macedonian

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

@@david-al-sayyidto me that’s pretty damning because if I decide to become orthodox now I have to choose which one is the true Orthodox Church.

[@david-al-sayyid]

@@rodionraskolnikov3853 if I'm not mistaken the Macedonian Schism was already healed two years ago, and they are in communion with the rest of the church again. So I'm not really sure what is being refuted currently. There is a misconception running around amongst Roman Catholics that schisms from the Orthodox Church are permanent, despite the fact that this type of ecclesiology more accurately reflects the ecclesiology of the Early Church; take the Acacian Schism or the Photian Schism for example (in fact, modern schisms in Orthodoxy are more tame, in the Early Church a schism entailed all sorts of depositions and mass excommunications). As you may know, both were solved, and the Macedonian schism was likewise. If anything, this argues in favor of Orthodoxy, not against it. Aditionally, this is not a "damning" point. This is applicable to the larger world of Christendom. If someone wants to convert to Christianity from, say, atheism, they would still have to choose which one is the true Church; whether it's Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Miaphysitism, Nestorianism, Anglicanism, Methodism, Presbyterianism, the list goes on. So if this point is damning for Orthodoxy, then it logically follows that it is damning for the entirety of Christianity. I hope I could answer your question, sorry if I was too long winded.

[@coldjello8436]

Algorithm boost.

[@rsissel1]

Lofton. Ignorant? Glad I was sitting down.

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

Carb Loft Dawg

[@lcronovt]

Lofton is a Sofist. That's it.

[@diarmaidobaoill4141]

Lofton is insufferable.

[@TruLuan]

Same with Pope Dyer and Cardinal Ubi, whom are the infallible spokesmen of the EOC

[@diarmaidobaoill4141]

You may be right!

[@lolsing2205]

@@TruLuan stop projecting your cope onto us muslim

[@TruLuan]

@@lolsing2205 Definitely not a Muslim lmao

[@lolsing2205]

@@TruLuan you guys have the same god lol

[@TheHolyOnes33]

Why are orthodox bros so angry?

[@SolarSiege]

Lol, I love the cope. Why are Romanists so dishonest?

[@TheHolyOnes33]

@SolarSiege yeah I'm coping so hard. I don't have to cope when I have the vicar of christ.

[@ubipetrus3882]

If you cannot cite, with actual time stamps and explanations, what you think is "so angry" in the video, then it is really just cope-urbating.

[@TheHolyOnes33]

@ubipetrus3882 not you. You were calm. I mean all the comments being rude and uncheritable toward Michael.

[@TheHolyOnes33]

@ubipetrus3882 I would ask ortho bros. How they can deny the filioque since Jesus breathed on the apostles, giving them the Holy Spirit in John 20:22. And also how can you deny the papacy when peter alone was given the keys and that whole portion of the gospel is in reference to the Davidoc kingdom and how King David gave giant keys to a steward to run the kingdom in his absence. Jesus also prayed that PETER'S faith would not fail. Why specifically peter's? Why would christ give peter Primacy to lead the early church but then abandon that after his death. How can we all be one if we aren't led by one.

[@forgingicehole4750]

At 18:54, why do you refer to the Oriental Orthodox as Monophysite? Don't they refer to their Christology, is Miaphysite?

[@Cybercrapper28]

If Arians came up with a new name for their Christology, would we use it?

[@TheMeatyOne360]

"Come on guys we want to be called herétics, not heretics" -Monophysites

[@acekoala457]

​@@Cybercrapper28 It's called "Jehovah's Witnesses" now