Ex-Top Gear Star Sets Electric Car "Experts" Straight. Shocking Truth About EVs!

[@katiemmm347]

As a EV owner if the ceo had asked the audience to stand if they were happy with the charging infrastructure I wonder how many would have stood 🤔

[@StormyDog]

Probably just the Tesla owners (at least in the US).

[@paulbuckingham15]

80 percent. That being representative of the charging infrastructure at home.

[@jaffahassan4720]

Well all the Tesla owners would & some others who now use Teslas Super Chargers too, it’s all good 😊

[@danielcarroll3358]

@@jaffahassan4720 Don't forget those who just use them for city driving and only charge at home. That's why some are happy buying a cheap early Leaf with a 30 mile range.

[@DavidKnowles0]

No one happy about that. I also bet no one was happy about the petrol/diesel infrastructure when petrol/diesel cars come along. It will get done and people will find ways to cope whilst the infrastructure catches up.

[@Sgt_Bill_T_Co]

Time will tell, But as a retired engineer I have seen far more well researched information on this subject than most, the pro's and cons - and for me, at this time and with the current offerings, lack of infrastructure, overall cost, and poor design of electric vehicles I'll stick with the car for long journeys, the motor cycle, push bikes & shank's pony (as well as using my OAP bus pass) for all other journeys. At the end of the day it's about disposable income, most folk don't have enough to buy EVs.

[@ondago2]

34 years engineer here and I agree in concept. I own 1 PHEV (Volt actually) and I can't find enough working charging in the past 5 years to "PLAY", EV. I drove 30k to 52k mi \yr on that car and over 100,000 per year across 4 cars & trucks plus a Good Wing motorcycle. I see a LOT and go to hundreds of gas stations and pass thousands of charge points. It's STILL Not NEARLY enough! Tesla, MAYBE and they front have enough for me to depend on our far enough of main interstates. All these other charging companies are a 75% downtime\creeping slow garbage like of an unusable mess. Never in my life have I gone to a great station that was down and had the pumps at the one across the street have the same non working problem making nearest gas be 50 miles away, unless power was out aha I've seen that overcome. Generators can run a pump or manual pumping is possible. Not true for 40 Amps @ 240V or 250kW at a Supercharger.

[@thekaxmax]

leasing, though, is affordable. Well, more affordable than buying one outright, and the price difference per km is so big it's much the same as paying off an ICE car loan.

[@HermanWillems]

@@thekaxmax in my country leasing has a big influence on your financial possibilities. Because that monthly payment they distract from what you can get for a mortgage... that's why people don't like leasing in this hot housing market it can destroy your chances to own a house.

[@cayminlast]

From my perspetive the entire EV industry is still in the experimental/R&D phase, there are some promising developements but untill the Battery Technology has been sorted it will take a while before it becomes accepted by all.

[@thekaxmax]

@@cayminlast yes, that's what we're going through. But acceptance and upgrading is happening. And new battery tech will be trivial to implement in older cars, all you need to do is match the casing shape and mounts, amps, and voltage, plus a software upgrade for the controller and sensors.

[@lnostdal]

I got a 16kW solar system - soon to be 20kW, but there's no way I'm buying an electric car. You can talk all you want, but replacing the battery on, say, a 2nd hand ecar is insanely costly compared to just buying a 2nd hand gasoline car that'll run for 15-20 years with just oil changes.

[@gribbler1695]

Not really (Hyundai and Kia are exceptions). Ref: Electric Car Battery Replacement Costs

[@beckyrichmond2046]

The stand up, sit down game was a little silly using a massively biased audience but gave me a chuckle though 😂

[@engineeringtheweirdguy2103]

So what you’re saying is you should ask EV owners if they would buy another EV for their next car? Who should you be asking then?

[@beckyrichmond2046]

@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 Can’t you read! What I was saying was that the stupid ass game made me laugh out loud, what did you not get from that after 5 fekin months!

[@pauleedeehimself8489]

37.000km on the original tires on my Hyundai Ioniq5. If you constantly launch in Tesla Ludicrous mode you eat through the tires like candy. But if you drive normally... the tires are just fine.

[@MrBigbangbuzz]

Mates M3 , just 10km before needing tyres

[@pauleedeehimself8489]

😂

[@MrBigbangbuzz]

@@pauleedeehimself8489 he’s a led foot . Model s tyres you are lucky to get 15k on them

[@trevorshields7347]

Like anything. It's how you drive​@@MrBigbangbuzz

[@MrBigbangbuzz]

@@trevorshields7347 mates mode 3 dual motor he’s in his 4 set of tires at 55k km

[@davidevans3822]

I rented a Polestar 2 in May and drove from Stansted Airport to Kent and the charging options were surprisingly poor; and I live in Ireland where charging is garbage. I'm very pro-EV but I genuinely don't think charging infrastructure problems can be dismissed; Kent isn't exactly the Gobi desert.

[@mickfitz76]

Private sector needs to do more. In Thailand the retailers/landlords put ev chargers in their parking lots to get people to their malls/stores. Government isn't going to flood the streets with them.

[@thekaxmax]

they do specify in the talk that the infrastructure, as a whole, is there. If your local council isn't keeping up, tell them to do so.

[@maxflight777]

Pray tell … why didn’t you buy a Tesla ? 🤦‍♂️

[@thekaxmax]

@@maxflight777 build quality and owner.

[@bubandit06]

The companies providing these services are still fully entitled to reach their goals at the earlier deadline. We don't need to throw out our own principles becasue somebody else does

[@fanjan7527]

To the question about why do journalists not check....in mainstream media we have very very few journalists left...reporters are abundant.

[@Ph3389]

Maybe it’s time we fact check the Prime Minister and look into his bank account to pull out the fact that he’s getting kickbacks from big oil that’s the only reason why he’s rolled it back he’s bought and paid for by big oil

[@Brian-om2hh]

We'll get our say on that next year.......

[@GoCoyote]

Having driven EVs, and owning a Chevy Volt PHEV, I will never purchase another ICE vehicle again. I save hundreds of dollars a month on fuel and vehicle maintenance cost.

[@richardglover314]

Robert Llewellyn made me aware of the existence of the Nissan Leaf and I purchased one in 2011, now we have a BMW i3 REX and Tesla model 3. And I have been a patron of Fully Charged for years because their heart is in the right place. However it saddens me that so much of the FUD has been in response to the purest zeal to be rid of the internal combustion engine. For centuries we have progressed by replacing old technology with new but made full use of today's technology whilst doing so. But what is an EV? What is the fundamental change in technology that this transition to us all driving electric one day about? What did that first Tesla roadster cause to be written into history? What was it that the legacy automakers needed to grasp that I am not sure all have done so yet? That electric motors should now be the only thing turning our wheels. Instead of EVs becoming a political football we should already be seeing a real reduction in fossil fuel use. OK Tesla would not be the leading force they are today, Toyota, VW, Ford, GM etc would be vying to give more battery capacity with each new model and range extenders would have dispensed with any need to wear a hair-shirt on longer trips. There would not talk of plans to ban ICE vehicles because customers would want EVs simply because they were better to drive and cheaper to run. Those who only wanted a BEV could have them and those who needed the back-up generator could have those also. There doesn't need to be a battle, there doesn't need to be nonsense from both sides. Just better vehicles that all can live with and enjoy.

[@stevezodiac491]

How long have you kept any individual EV ?

[@loveLTi]

As an engineer of some 50 years standing I absolutely despair of organisation such as this who have carried out no in depth research and have no knowledge of the real life time cycle global warming consequences of electrification nor the environmental destruction caused by mining activities. This organisation lives in cloud cuckoo land. Martyn L

[@fullychargedshow]

Well well Martyn L, have you had any in depth knowledge of real life time cycle global warming consequences of burning literally billions of barrels of liquid hydrocarbons every year. Oh no, you've never even considered it like millions of others because we all grew up in a world where burning toxic, finite liquid fuel has been normal. That fuel requires a massive, global infrastructure of massive energy consumption and unspeakable environmental damage going back 120 years. But don't concern yourself with that, be clever with your 50 years of incredible insights into the world of engineering. Show me one litre, just one, of recycled diesel or petrol and I'll change my mind. Can we and are we recycling 99% of the material in batteries? Yes we are, now, today. Is there any environmental destruction caused by extracting oil and gas, transporting it, storing it, refining it and burning it once? Is there. No, absolutely not, there is zero impact, nothing to see there. You clearly work for them, I hope they pay you well

[@loveLTi]

Firstly I work for no one and I’m not paid as I am retired. I have spent the last few years delving into independent studies comparing fossil fuels, battery driven transportation and electricity generation. Even VW’s own website (along with other manufacturers) accept that the GWP of an electric vehicle during manufacturing is double that if an ICEV. For an average generation mix the break even is around 40,000 km, only Norway with some 90% hydro generation achieved a lower figure. In Poland it’s around 190,00 km. Have you studied the lifetime terrestrial acidification potential and particulate matter formation? They all show an ICEV to be less polluting by a large margin. Have you studied the the UK electrical generation profiles for renewables against actual demand? Have you read the IEA World Energy Investment and Critical Minerals Clean Energy Report? Have you studied the Geopolitical implications of mining and processing critical minerals? Listen to the CEO’s of Stellantis, Toyota and Honda. I started from ground zero after an enjoyable drive in a Fiat Abarth 500e to try and understand the implications. Those manufacturers who go all electric will be bankrupt in 5-7 years. Instead of the Johnson May greenwash energy reports, Sunak is finally showing some realise on the challenges. Continuing down the road of electrification for vehicles and heat pumps (which I have been involved in for 40 years and wouldn’t put one in my house) will result in hospitals, hotels and offices running their emergency diesel generators for long spells. When you’ve properly investigated these facts rather than and you still disagree then I suggest you don’t have the ability to put 2 & 2 together. ML

[@paul756uk2]

​@@fullychargedshowjust the kind of answer I'd expect from an entertaining luvvie.

[@fullychargedshow]

@@loveLTi A fascinating but sad;y very unoriginal response. I have seen, read and heard about all the references you make so many times over the past 13 years I cannot begin to recall how many. Literally thousands of older men love telling me who wrong I am, and yet they are proven incorrect time and again, not that it makes the slightest bit of difference because they, and you, truly believe what you state with such surety. I'm not going to respond to all your assumptions, but the first is so blaringly incorrect it deserves a take down. The fact that you quote, and believe VW, a long standing combustion car makers who have been pushed, kicking and screaming, lying (dieselgate) and whining into making electric vehicles says everything. The Volvo report, on which this frankly offensively wrong assumption of the CO2 and energy impact of battery manufacturing has been so thoroughly debunked by actual scientists, actual battery specialists, academics and engineers all overt the world, again and again. See Auke Hoekstra and Euan McTurk for two, very thorough examples. An electric car needs to be driven about 6,000 miles before it is MUCH cleaner than a diesel and petrol car of the same size, and then it continues to get cleaner while the filthy, dated, inefficient combustion engine mashes its way through spare parts, wears down, is even less efficient and therefore burns more and more fuel leaving more and more filth in it's wake, which, according to you, is 100% fine. But obviously you are not going to research that. You are just going too blindly accept this lie. It fits your narrative. And I will repeat, your narrative is that burning billions of barrels of fossil fuel every day is absolutely fine and we don't need to do anything about it. Therefore there is no discussion to be had.

[@fullychargedshow]

​@@paul756uk2 You used the tired, 1990's term 'luvvie' which says everything about you. Very sad.

[@lucasnilsson2952]

It's a bit dissapointing that the experts still don't recognise that there's a huge amount of people without home charging access. And, that price comes back to you over time, yes that's great but it still matters not if you can’t get to that initial payment or cover such a large monthly expense. All I'm saying is that public charging and purchase price is still a problem, I'd like the experts to recognise that. Great cause, good stuff brought up, I really appreciate what you do, go EV🙏

[@rogerphelps9939]

Public charging prices should be regulated. No more than 50% more than domestic charging might be a sensible limit.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@rogerphelps9939 That's already here to some extent Roger, but of course it does depend on the greed levels of those operating the charge networks. My local charge network - Charge My Street - offers public charging as low as 38p per kwh, if you take out the higher user of the three subscriptions they offer....

[@frankcoldwell4424]

They recognise it, they just refuse to accept that it’s an issue for the normal working person paying a mortgage etc while juggling childcare and all the rest.

[@johnblythe6261]

But rapid charger prices are similar if not cheaper than petrol, if you don't have home charging you do exactly how you do if you need petrol, got to a rapid charger and charge it. I don't understand this argument made that EV is no good if you live in a flat?!

[@MT-ys6ju]

@@johnblythe6261it's because it works out to be equal or more expensive with an EV if you charge exclusively on public chargers. So why pay more for an EV if it's not cheaper to run. Petrol prices in Europe are currently about 1.98 / ltr. If you drive a Hybrid car with a consumption of 6.5l/100km, that's 12.87 / 100kms. Charging an EV publicly in Europe, you'd expect to pay at least 0.75 / Kwh. Take the MG4 for example, with a battery of 61Kwh and a range of about 380kms (Less if you're driving on a highway), you'd be be paying 12.04 / 100km.. This is exactly why i decided to go ahead with a self charging hybrid car this year instead of an EV.

[@wulliethedent]

A ICV doesn’t do thermal runaway or off highly toxic gas for a number of days. It doesn’t burn hot enough to melt concrete and high carbon steel. An ev actually does. Also within the frontline car trade no dealer wants to take back a used ev. They are rapidly becoming disposable just like your phone. In 10/20/30 years there will still be 100% viable icv on the road but very few EV’s for various reasons. One of which is the ticking time bomb of a battery the could at worst explode. At best simply fail.

[@WrongButtonWB]

Only negative side of fully converting to EVs, at least in my country, is the fact that the price of electricity is spiking. Corrupted government, as is, are filling their pockets through petrol, diesel, lpg taxes and if we switch to battery EVs they will lose one of their most important gold mine. That's the main reason for their strong resistance to EVs. Either way, people will never get a chance to enjoy the ride at a low price... One more thing though, as we know, the 1kwh battery cost is now 98$, which puts the average battery pack cost in an ev at, around, 6k$ (60kwh) how do they explain all those msrp's than? If a brand new car cost 10k- 15k $ to make, why would anyone pay 30k+ $?

[@Nikoo033]

They are factoring in the losses in not being able to sell spare parts in the mid-long term… plus the fact that legacy manufacturers were slow to transition and are outsourcing quite of lot (in particular anything to do with batteries) that’s why. 😉

[@jaffahassan4720]

Please read some of my rephrase to other post & you’ll see it’s all good 😊

[@موسى_7]

​@@Nikoo033This is why we can't say the free market is always good for consumers. However, a freer market with online sales instead of dealerships, the consumer benefits.

[@kristoffer3000]

@@موسى_7 There is no such thing as a free market, as soon as there is an actor in that market it ceases to be truly free. A "free" market is NEVER good for the consumer because it just means that corporations get to run free, which we're seeing all around us every day, it just creates a capitalist dystopia.

[@johnmoncrieff3034]

Can you address the issue that most of the major car manufacturers are stopping BEV production. The may continue with hybrid units but most of them are considering other fuel options! Ford has scrapped all BEV's with a financial loss of over $ 3.5 Billion GM has a loss of $2.0 Billion. Toyota have stopped EV production also! All quote the same factors for this decision -- Cost to environment, cost of production, lack of sales due to lack of infrastructure, lack of range, and cost to insure! all compared to the same vehicle with an ICE under the hood/bonnet!

[@haroldmichael3492]

Funny sounds like when the model T came out. No gas stations , no roads, no infrastructure. Taxpayer shouldnt subsidize gas engines , roads, when horses are cheaper and less expensive. Where would society be today with that mentality.

[@haroldmichael3492]

Its easy to explain why all the American Car industry wants to go back to the old way of doing business. They cant adapt, their Dinosaurs- technology is passing them by. They cant write software, and design products the public wants to buy. Just like when the Japanese came to USA in the 1970’s with the small efficient car. Throw in the UAW with their outrageous demands handcuffing the Auto Industry and big Oil. GM in the 1950’s had about 55% of the car market then. Look today GM has about 20% of the market in 2024. Plus GM Executives sold out to China. As a Taxxpayer I dont want to bail out the American Auto Industry a second time!

[@zig_ziggy]

The energy density of a lithium battery is typically just 0.72 MJ/kg, while gasoline is 47.5 MJ/kg. For this reason alone, EV's are not a long term solution. Either new battery technology needs to exponentially increase their energy density, or an alternative fuel will be used in the future. (Edited to show typical current EV battery density.)

[@redbaron6805]

People who make these claims don't really appear to understand what they are really claiming, or what the claims really mean in the real world, not to mention the numbers quoted of 0.3MJ/Kg are well over 10 years old or more. First of all, gasoline is obviously not sold by the Kg, so energy density per Kg really isn't that relevant to begin with. Second of all, the numbers quoted for batteries are massively obsolete, as Lithium Ion battery energy density is already at 0.9793 MJ and counting for Tesla batteries, and CATL batteries which are 1.8MJ/Kg. Third of all, people forget the other half of the equation, which is efficiency. It doesn't matter if you start with 47.5MJ/Kg when the dismal efficiency of combustion engines means 70% to 80% or more of that is wasted as heat. The clearest example of this is something like a Tesla Model S, which has 1080 HP, yet can travel 400+ miles on 3 U.S. gallons equivalent of gasoline. There is no economy car even with a 50 HP engine that can touch that efficiency, let alone anything remotely close to that performance and power output. People also tend to forget that the battery is rechargeable. The fuel burned is not. It can only be burned once, and then you have to get a whole bunch more, just to burn that also.

[@zig_ziggy]

​@@redbaron6805 I appreciate your reply and will revise my original comment to show a more current 0.72 MJ/kg for Lithium Ion batteries. My comment highlights present day battery weight as a limiting factor in current EV's, which are typically 30% heavier than same model gasoline cars. Future technologies will render current EV's obsolete, particularly since current batteries have a finite life of falling efficiency, plus cold weather and other factors substantially reduces their efficiency.

[@redbaron6805]

@@zig_ziggy I didn't mean my reply to be anything personal, although it probably sounded harsher than intended. It was merely there to correct the record, as the numbers presented appear to be rather dated, appearing to refer to 18650 batteries from 2012 or earlier. There are significant advances in battery density, and there appear further gains in energy density with solid state and other battery technologies which will improve that further. That has the potential to significantly reduce the weight and size of the battery pack, eliminating the weight penalty EV's have today. Everything manufactured becomes obsolete eventually, but I actually don't agree with the obsolescence claims on EV's. And the reason for that is pretty simple. If you commute lets say 30 miles a day, and your car has 300 miles of range, it would mean you have to charge it roughly every 2 weeks, or twice a month. If you own that vehicle, and another EV with 400 miles comes out, is your 300 mile EV really"obsolete"...? One of the definitions of Obsolete is that something better has come along, and the original product is no longer needed. That really doesn't apply here. The 300 mile EV still functions perfectly. If anything, if the person with the 300 mile range doesn't use it for long distance travel, the benefit of the 400 mile range is minimal to none. Your final point of "finite life" is also a bit off. There are many EV's on the road now that have shown that after 5 years and 100,000 miles of driving, the battery capacity is still at 94% to 97% of new. On a 300 mile EV, that means you have lost 10 to 20 miles of range after 5 years and 100,000 miles, which isn't very much, and doesn't significantly affect the usability of the vehicle. The same applies to cold weather. I live in a state with over 22 million people where freezing temperatures are exceptionally rare. With higher battery density, more people in colder weather will find EV's suitable, but I'm not sure why that is a pressing issue, as there simply isn't enough manufacturing capacity that exists today even if 100% of people wanted EV's today. The production capacity and sales of EV's in the USA was 1 million EV's last year, that isn't even 10% of the annual sales of new vehicles. This is something people tend to gloss over when they say everyone doesn't want, need or can afford EV's today. That is actually good news, as even if they did, we could't possibly produce that many, and won't be able to for some years to come.

[@zig_ziggy]

​@@redbaron6805 Your well balanced comments are appreciated. As with all 'new'' technologies, there is a steep upward curve in usability. Currently, where the EV can be recharged at home overnight, the EV makes sense. For longer trips, with limited and often expensive recharging, it's a much harder sell. Allowing that EV batteries are possibly higher quality, since phones and laptops use Lithium Ion batteries, we all well aware of how fast these batteries wear. New EV's are also well out of reach of most peoples budget, with second hand EV's undesirable, due to their old technology and the prohibitive costs of battery replacement.

[@redbaron6805]

@@zig_ziggy Except, it is difficult to make that as universal statement. When you for "longer trips" the charging is "limited and expensive", then you kind of have to quantify, where are you talking about driving (UK, Iceland, Norway, USA, Mexico, Australia..?) and how long is a "long or longer trip" and the cost being "expensive" is compare to what? EV's have 3 things which make batteries last far longer, which laptops, phones and power tools don't. Beside chemistry differences, the main differences are: 1. Thermal management system for the batteries. EV batteries are cooled and temperature monitored 24/7/365. 2. Charging management. Most EV's are charged to 80% to 90% daily and rarely driven below 10%. Compared to laptops, power tools, phones and tablets that are frequently drained to 0% or left plugged in at 100%. 3. Capacity use. Most phones are charged daily from near empty to full. That means around 300 to 400 charging cycles annually. Most EV's are driven around 40 miles a day on average in the USA. That means an EV with even 250 mile battery is charged around once a week, or 52 times a year. Since Lithium Ion batteries last between 1000 and 2000 charging cycles, and up to 10,000 using LFP batteries, you can see how much longer they will last. Current data shows EV's typically lose around 3% to 6% of range after 5 years and 100,000 miles of driving. I have a 9 year old Tesla, and the battery on my car is still around 90% after 9 years of driving. So, battery replacements on EV's are simply not a real life issue, and exceptionally rare.

[@Paul-li9hq]

Here is one inescapable fact... and it is a fact. The biggest problem with EVs IS the cost - it is so, so much more! Like an average of 10 grand more for the EV versus the ICE car on any given make/model in the UK.. 10 thousand pounds! £10,000!!! A £10,000 price difference means the ICE car owner is already better off! 10 grand buys you well over 3,500 gallons of diesel at current UK prices. So... the price difference means the ICE owner effectively has 3500 gal of 'free' fossil fuel - compared to owning the equivalent EV 😂 So it really doesn't matter how good the range improvements become on an Exploding Vehicle or how cheap is to charge... Owning the ICE version means you effectively have 3500 gallons of free fuel. And 3500 gal at, say, 55mpg average is 77,000 miles! That means the ICE car is cheaper to own/run for around 6 years... at which the EV might start to claw some ground back 🤣 ...until it needs a new battery in another 3 years, and the owner is another £10,000 out of pocket 🤣🤣🤣 77,000 miles! Do you realise that means the diesel car owner can travel THREE TIMES AROUND THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE PLANET and STILL be better off in the first year than if they purchased an Exploding Vehicle and simply left is sitting in the driveway for the same year 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@peterdurnien9084]

I keep seeing videos of burning EV's, some just parked, some in use, some being charged. They produce plenty of smoke when they burn.

[@crtmojo2705]

Whoever invents the fire suppression chemical or system for EVs is gonna be a billionaire.

[@muskrat3291]

@@crtmojo2705 Google "EV Fire Cloak"

[@engineeringtheweirdguy2103]

And yet road safety authorities and even insurance companies around the world agree that EV’s are 20-60 times less likely to combust than ICE. And if you crunch the numbers you find that EV fires are reported disproportionately around 200x more often than ICE fires. As in, if you every car fire, regardless of drive type, had an equal chance of being reported. You’d see 200 headlines about an ICE car fire for every 1 headline of an EV car fire.

[@engineeringtheweirdguy2103]

The problem being that EV car fire news, sells headlines, and gets clicks. Ice car fires don’t. Nobody cares unless someone famous dies .

[@SHOdown13]

As for infrastructure, every manufacturer should have to pay for 1 EV charger installation for every 1 vehicle produced. And yes, i do realize that will just increase the cost of the vehicle at time of purchase, but if you want an ev that bad, then pay for it to help utilization.

[@steffl27]

This would be complete overkill. We also don't have one petrol pump per ICE car sold, that would be complete nonsense.

[@GDM22]

Why do that when they can get the recalcitrants like your self to chip in.

[@ZippedAuto]

On the subject of 'can the grid cope'...... I've recently been on a heat pump course and we were told we may find the customer may not be able to have a high powered heat pump if they have an EV charger. There is a data base we must check to see if the chosen heat pump needs to be reported to the national grid or if we need to ask permission to fit. Personally I believe having a heat pump without solar panels and a storage battery is a bit silly.

[@wulliethedent]

Insurance companies are NOT stupid. Why are they increasing EV insurance premiums or simply NOT insuring them. Also house insurance is going up for EV owners and their neighbours. I’d be pretty pissed off if my premiums were going up because my neighbours had an EV.

[@jgreen9361]

That is misinformation. Premiums on average 9% higher, hardly surprising because car value, on average 23% higher. Per 1000 cars on the road more petrol cars and hybrids catch fire than EV. Insurance story to cheer you up about your neighbours EV. A guy starts his car. Before he gets to the end of the road he realises he hasn’t enough gas in the tank to get to work. He returns home, pulls into his garage. He gets out and tops up the tank from a can of fuel he has in the garage. He spills a bit on the garage floor, the hot catalytic converter ignites the fuel. The garage is structurally part of his house, his house and car are gutted with fire. His house insurance turns out to be invalid, the small print states he is not allowed to store flammable liquids in his house. Spilled fluids is the third most common reason for vehicle fires. Hot catalytic converters are the fifth most common reason for vehicle fires. Top reason? Faulty fuel pumps and leaky fuel pipes.

[@Paul-li9hq]

So the idea behind 'stop burning stuff' is to burn more stuff in order to scrap a perfectly serviceable ICE car with a decade or more of good service left to it, and burn a vast amount more stuff to make an electric car, which is still powered, in part, by burning some more stuff. Yes... I can see how that's going to work... 😂😂😂

[@tednruth453]

Wait a minute....you mean that EV's are safe to use, practical, efficient, economical .... and fun?!?!

[@Brian-om2hh]

Er, yes. Most of those stipulations are in there somewhere.....

[@MrAdopado]

SHHHH ... everyone will want one ...

[@Bodzio1982]

I bought a second hand BMW i3 rex around 4 years ago. I’m not sure if the braking pads were replaced before but so far I drove nearly 80k kilometers and only changed tires once and rear wiper. At this moment I have over 170k driven and the battery still going strong. I just never charge battery to full and I think this is secret to battery longevity.

[@SERGIO-cr6uy]

How much more expensive was your BMW i3 in comparison to an ICE car? if electricity was taxed at 50% as petrol is, would you keep that smile ? How long do you expect the government to let that money escape? The government will either raise the price of the KW/H (which will impact any use of domestic electrical equipment at home such as Oven, Heating system, TV, etc) or they will create a tax per mile. Also bare in mind that your non-polluting car is powered by non-clean energy as 50% of electricity produced in the UK is non-renewable.

[@Bodzio1982]

@@SERGIO-cr6uyI traded in my 2014 BMW 1 series and paid around €5k more for 2 years younger car. I recently purchased another electric car and traded in my old i3. Still got good value for it.

[@SERGIO-cr6uy]

@@Bodzio1982 funny that you replied nothing in relation to my comment.

[@phillipwilliams4674]

I am utterly convinced that EV's are being pushed onto the population by greedy industrialists and governments who want to squeeze every last penny out of motorists. The path to net zero can be achieved by many methods, but we hear little about diversifying into bio fuels and hydrogen fuel cell technology, and there's even negative pressure from activists who say the majority of hydrogen would be made from petrochemicals. My take on EV's is that they are far more expensive to buy (or lease), far more inconveniencing in their use (even where there's a good charging infrastructure) and far more expensive to run (unless you are fortunate enough to have off road parking and able to charge on a domestic tariff). I am all in favour of making our world a cleaner and more ecologically balanced place, but I think we are trying to run before we can walk, and don't get me started on what other nations are not doing to achieve these goals!

[@DougHolmes]

I'd say that one undeniable truth is that EVs are too expensive and that until the price comes down net zero is basically impossible.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

A Model 3 is now cheaper to lease than a Toyota Prius and far cheaper than a Toyota Camry. Maybe you should update your knowledge level.

[@DougHolmes]

I have. I assume you're in the US, right? I'm not.@@bigdougscommentary5719

[@jimpackard8059]

That woman is misguided. A 40 ton EV truck carries many tonnes less goods than a 40 ton diesel due to battery weight, so more EV trucks means more trucks on the road. Simples.

[@waynebateman9440]

The elephant in the room is if we all had EVs and charged them at night where is the power coming from oh yes coal fired power stations and apparently they would not be able to supply demand or am I wrong!

[@salipander6570]

You're kinda wrong. Not everybody's charging at the same time, and there's already a lot of green power to be used at night and during the afternoon. The trick is to spread out the times people charge in order to have a balanced load on the net.

[@ohnoitisnt]

the fuel network delivers the same energy per day as the ev network in the uk, meaning a complete replacement to ev vehicles will need to see a doubling in size of the national grid. 2x the power plants... Alternatively, each car can be charged with about 10m2 of solar panels for 9 months of the year, so lets hope we either have the room for a lot of power stations or a lot of panels

[@simoncoe7781]

No your not wrong, you’ve just not done any research

[@Clampett01]

As a very early adopter, I love my electric cars and motorcycles for my local commuting. They are perfect for 90% of my journeys. I have ventured further afar on many occasions over the years. What was a pleasure with FOC rapid chargers and very few EV’s on the road it was easy. As more and more cars come onto the market, the infrastructure has become overwhelmed. More than likely charge points are now either busy, blocked or broken. I have had to purchase a long distance fossil fuel car to keep my sanity in check and prevent high levels of stress in my life. Please do not deny or argue against this fact, I too wish it was a myth. Only Tesla drivers have some immunity through their supercharger network. Fully charged, please your efforts into lobbying to fix the UK’s broken charging infrastructure. BTW it’s all about location and management. Installing high power chargers in Village co-op car parks is ridiculous. They are rarely, if ever used and It just pisses off the villagers who loose a couple of valuable car parking slots.

[@billpaliwoda5012]

When somebody says "Please do not argue against this fact" it means "My argument is completely anectodical and has no data to back it up". The Tesla Supercharger network is widespread and very reliable (96% are operational at any given time). Granted the other networks are less reliable (only 76-80%) and not as widespread. You say "They are perfect for 90% of my journeys". Well my Toyota Avalon is suitable for 90% of my needs but then I also need a truck for doing my occasional handyman gigs. Does that mean Toyota Avalons are no good? No, it means that one vehicle can't over all yours needs 100% of the time. Why is this OK for ICE cars but not for EVs. Granted the charging network in the UK may be shit, that is a UK-specific problem. It's pretty robust here in the US. Finally, even though the chargers may all be busy, the people there are not all charging from 0-100% taking 60-90 minutes. Many are only charging for 5-15 minutes so chargers will continually be becoming available. When I pull into highway service areas I typically have to wait 10-20 minutes just to get to the gas pump (though every time I stopped to charge my Tesla there has always been open chargers). We'll have to see what happens what happens when the Supercharger networks is open to all EVs.

[@wojciechjanecki9221]

Widze ze pasuje ci spadek wartosci twojego samochodu o 40+% po pierwszym roku uzytkowania. Za chwile nie bedziesz mogl parkowac w garazach podziemnych ani uzywac promow w swoich podruzach, ale to nic dla fana samochodow na baterie.

[@Swedagonking]

Explain chemical fires and thermal runaway? Also publish true figures about deaths resulting from E.Vs.

[@fullychargedshow]

Explain the explosive qualities of a plastic fuel tank full of highly flammable toxic fluid in combustion cars. Publish TRUE figures of the tens of thousands of deaths globally each year from combustion vehicle fires. Combustion vehicles are LETHAL. I would not park one of these death traps near my house, and the truth is deliberately buried by the corporations who sell us the fuel.

[@mkultrakill1385]

@@fullychargedshow "I would not park one of these death traps near my house".... I'm enjoying going through the comments and seeing your seething cringe replies.

[@allatham2115]

A very biased viewpoint, i thought this would be a two sided debate, it was quite the opposite It's easy to communicate to an audience of similarly agenda driven individuals, churches do it every week .... just because a room full of like minded people agree ... doesn't make it true The cars may be easy and nice to drive, they may have zero tailpipe emissions Bottom line is The initial cost is prohibitive to most of the nation Energy prices are fearful The infrastructure is extremely poor at best I feel like I've been listening to a politician putting an opposition position down ... I'm thankful that by the time this becomes law, my driving days will be over and I will always have the choice of ICE or EV

[@theumarianmeme1483]

Question: When was the last time you saw electricity prices go down??? (I'll wait) 🙄

[@st-ex8506]

Last August! My average electricity price went down 35%!

[@theumarianmeme1483]

@@st-ex8506 you had to wait 3 months to say that 😂 average. 😂 I haven't driven my diesel for a month. It hasn't lost any charge. Plus I can fill it up from empty more than 1000 times. 👍🏽

[@theumarianmeme1483]

@@st-ex8506 that's your average a.f.t.e.r an energy crisis BTW. + I WON'T be explaining any more maths to you. 🙄

[@st-ex8506]

@@theumarianmeme1483 What in the heck do you mean? You asked a simple question: "When was the last time you saw electricity prices go down???" I answered you most simply, and most truthfully from my recent experience: "last August!" Simple, no? Sure, one can fill a tank diesel umpteenth time, but paying around 5 TIMES per km (or mile) that I can recharge my car's battery. Sorry, I am obviously not as affluent as you are... I do care how much my car is costing me!

[@theumarianmeme1483]

@@st-ex8506 it's there when I need it. I don't see any EV's at the Builders merchants and NEVER EVER at the skip. Bit shy are we? The fill up price has also gone down significantly, not that you noticed the prices are advertised in bright lights at every petrol station you pass. Cost? £2400 sold as seen with 110,000 miles on it. Not a rich person's car at all. But I can do so many more things in this car and have more space inside it than a pickup truck. Don't have to worry about scratching the insides as I throw my push bikes in the back etc. Don't get me wrong I was quite optimistic about EV cars, 🙄🙄🧐🧐🧐 back in 2012... 😂😂😂😂

[@kenweir5099]

Loved my time driving an EV when my own car was in for a service. My son has an EV and loves it. My biggest gripe is the huge cost of buying an EV. Neither PCP nor HP were affordable….so regardless of any benefits or downsides to owning EV’s, the cost is prohibitive for us.

[@Brian-om2hh]

I saw someone buy a 2016 Renault Zoe with 35k miles on the clock, for £4400. The "huge cost" of buying an EV. Really?

[@hunchanchoc8418]

Nail head hit.

[@hunchanchoc8418]

@@Brian-om2hh And what is the range of that Zoe? I've done 77k miles in 3 1/2 years in a car that cost £650. I didn't have £4.4k to spend at that time, and I still don't.

[@davidpalk5010]

Just out of interest, where does your son normally charge?

[@davidpalk5010]

@@Brian-om2hh I'll take it, thank you. Oh, and some conveniently nearby charging infrastructure because home charging isn't possible.

[@GoranXII]

The government collects taxes from petrol and diesel sales (although diesel vehicles pay some of that in road user charges). What are they going to tax for road maintenance when ICE cars have been replaced with EVs? Extra taxes on electricity?

[@fullychargedshow]

Very good question and as you might be able to imagine, it has been discussed for many years. It's generally accepted that taxing electricity for electric vehicles is unworkable, so it will be, I believe, a mileage charge which strikes me as being the fairest option. One thing suggested for the Uk is every car gets 'free' 5 thousand miles a year, and beyond that you have to pay. So low vehicle users would not be penalised like they are now with high fuel and road license charges, costs that really impact the poorest, and people who, maybe for work, drive 25 or 30 thousands miles a year and wear out roads more, will pay more.

[@j.m.7586]

When someone repeatedly states that they independent it raises a question is it true

[@somozasi]

I just wonder how do people use their solar panels to charge their cars at night ???? On moon light ???

[@Brian-om2hh]

Some people who have solar panels will also have a home storage battery. They will use the stored energy to charge their cars through the night. In any case, off-peak tariffs will supply much cheaper cost energy through the night hours.....

[@somozasi]

@Brian-om2hh every power convertion or charging loses energy. How many regular batteries do you need to charge your car batteries at night? What happens if anything goes wrong ??? Who will check the battery transfer of energy ??? Even if you buy electricity at a reduced price at night, it has to be produced somewhere. Thus, smoke is only transferred.

[@bannor99]

Despite EVs being better & cheaper than EVer & with plenty of subsidies & rebates, most automakers are struggling to sell them & only Tesla appears to be making real money

[@gospelofthomas77thpearl22]

The power of the oil companies is frightening. We will overcome 🖖🏼

[@kristoffer3000]

Capitalism goes brrrrr

[@brianbarcroft9167]

Ironic that Volvo are now scrapping all ice cars and making only EVs.

[@adamoconnor7954]

If you want to know why the media isn't investigating the real data on ev's, look at who pays them (advertising ect.... )

[@malcolmbennett4325]

Using my EV is cheaper than posting a 1st class stamp. I needed to post at letter to an address 12 miles away at the 1st class stamp rate of £1.25 per stamp but the return journey in my Zoe at 4.6m/kWh was 24miles cost me 0.86p excluding VAT, if charged at the lower night time rate. In my case charged from my solar panels plus the posted letter would be received the same day (by the way it needed to be a letter not text). This is yet another saving my EV gives me. And by the way there is no VAT on stamps, so using my EV not only helps the planet but can help the chancellor of the exchequer by paying VAT.

[@f.kieranfinney457]

The EV crowd can afford a home with charging. Apartment dwellers are shut out and pay more than gas to operate. And can’t afford EVs anyhow. That has to change. Charge infrastructure is the big weakness as is battery life. EVs move pollution from wealthy urban areas to poor rural ones. Very much an imbalance still.

[@milespostlethwaite1154]

I like EVs but I don’t like this pressure to make everybody buy one. Petrol engines are very good and CO2 is NOT harming the environment. Quite the opposite.

[@timsmith5339]

@milespostlethwaite1154 'CO2 is NOT harming the environment. Quite the opposite.' What! have you been living under a rock for the last twenty years. How could you not realise the harm it is doing. Also, it is not just the CO2 we are worried about.

[@milespostlethwaite1154]

Despite what the politicians and lazy journalists tell youn no scientist has yet written a paper linking man made CO2 to the slight warming we have experienced in the last 100 years or so. Even the Norwegian scientific community has produced a report saying that the change in climate is within the limits of natural variability. Even a recent IPCC report says that extreme weather events are not increasing. In fact why should they be increasing? Carbon dioxide has never been the driver of climate in the past so why should it be now? The quantities of CO2 in the atmosphere are minute at 420ppm. Wild fires were 5 or 6 times as bad in the 1930s. They have been steadily declining for the last 100 years. Crop yields have increased by an estimated 11% due to the increased levels of CO2. The edges of the deserts are becoming greener if you look at satellite photos. This is because plants become more efficient at utilising water when there is more CO2 about. Mos scientists, when asked admitted that so far, global warming has done more good than harm. The Roman warm period was at least 2 degrees C warmer than today and they were thought of as good times. The present hysteria, I believe has been cooked up by globalists to soak the rich countries. In 2011 the founder of the IPCC said "it's nolonger about climate change, it's about de-industrialising the West.@@timsmith5339

[@ajtame]

Grid can only cope if we have a slow uptake of electric like we have been, If it ramps up too quickly then no, it 100% can't, not if every single person in the UK went out and bought an electric car today and wanted to charge it. Charging on the road is still an issue, there's simply not enough, but again, the issue is uptake, if it stays at 20% for a while then it wont be an issue, any jump in this and it will totally be an issue.

[@persona250]

Are you aware how much electricity is used to refine oil into petrol. There are 6 oil refineries in the Uk . It takes 6kw of electric to refine enough fuel for 30 miles . It also takes 6kw of electric to move an ev 30 miles . This is the biggest overlooked factor in the EV ICE battle .

[@3158dave]

This is not an independent review, my own personal experience and research was totally different from this industry driven audience and panel. EV ard dead

[@markriding1267]

Looking forward to the next series of the Fully Charred show 😂

[@bobdown6055]

The biggest lie with ev’s is how can you get 150kw of power out of a motor in these pro cars that have 90kw battery in them =90,000mil amps the size of the cables needed to transfer that voltage for a short time is huge

[@stuartclark1982]

This was thoroughly enjoyable to watch, educational and eye opening.😊

[@sameebah]

"The electricity is there all the time . . ." - What is that woman on? Does she think it appears magically in the wires? IT HAS TO BE GENERATED. But the pollution from that isn't in your workshop, so it doesn't exist in your mind . . . And let's not even start on the environmental aspects of lithium mining and processing.

[@quantumreality8844]

Complete Gibberish EVsplaing

[@sirjosephwhitworth9415]

EVs will never catch on, they are not fit for purpose other than floats. One of the greatest sales scams ever.

[@clawmann]

Well despite all this verbage whether fact or fiction, a nearby neighbour in Northumberland lost his 3 bedroom detached bungalow when his EV went on fire in his attached garage and and totally gutted the bungalow. Just fit for demolition now.

[@MrSec84]

What make and model was that EV? Was it definitely a pure EV or is it an ICE car? Can you provide a source to prove this actually happened?

[@kirbytrueman5045]

Problem is the infrastructure isn’t there to support them and won’t be for decades if ever as well as what to do with batteries once they’re spent ,and spiking prices for the materials as shortages for them looms for the whole industry!

[@iareid8255]

It depends on what you consider the grid to be. Generally it is accepted that it is the high voltage transmission lines and over the last ten to fifteen years our grid (high voltage section) demand has fallen from about 60 gigawtts to nearer 45 so there is some margin at the moment. However the weak point and one that most certailny will not cope in many areas is the low voltage distribution network. It was not built for the extra consistent load that evs and heat pumps will impose on it. Yes, much time it will be at night, however the capacity is limited and reactive loads such as battery chargers and heat pumps put more stress on the network due to power factor. It will need substancial and disruptive work to uprate that network, it wll cost a lot of money and who will pay for it? I'm sure that EV owners will not like to be given that bill. I would expect to see an increase in local power cuts because of this although there is talk that ev electricity supplies should be on smart meters which gives the local area board powers to limit supply if demand is too high. Already some fast charger network owners are being denied connection because of limited capacity.

[@martinhammett8121]

Local area boards ? Listen to the experts the head of National grid has stated they have been planning for the changes for years & are constantly upgrading the system to suit

[@iareid8255]

Martin, the 'experts' in charge of the National Grid are concerned with transmission, i.e the extra high voltage lines which ten or more years ago carried more load than now. The local area network is run by local area boards and that is where the problem lies. I don't know if the National Grid website has it's article in which these experts said that the reason that frequency is important is so as not to damage consumers equipment. This is complete and utter rubbish. the real; reason is that frequency shows that the supply and demand is in balance (which it must be on aninstantaneous basis), increase load over supply and frequency falls, and viceb versa. If it deviates more than + or - 1% grid tripping occurs.

[@davidpalk5010]

Fast chargers are already being fitted on independent smart meters - so that Govt. can eventually tax and claw back the £60bn lost fuel and car tax revenue. And non-EV or non-car owners are unlikely to be happy to carry on funding an effective tax susidy for the wealthy who can run an EV. Electric fuel tax is surely coming.

[@thekaxmax]

so tell your local council to keep up, they are the weak link.

[@iareid8255]

Kaxmax, are you a politician? It is not a council responsibility but the Local electrical area network operator and I suspect you have little concept of the scope of expansion required and the extremely high cost. And who will pay for all this?

[@nigelbarratt6825]

Consider this scenario: A petrol station with 12 pumps serving petrol and diesel is working flat out. If each person takes 5 minutes to fill up and pay that means that each pump can serve 12 people per hour, so with 12 pumps you can serve 144 people per hour, all of whom will drive out with a range of up to say 600 miles, like my mild hybrid diesel Audi A6. Now switch it to 12 EV chargers instead. That means that around 12 people can get a full rapid charge in say 40 minutes to get them 200-300 miles, say 18 charges per hour on average instead of 144. Now let's look at the power requirement of those 12 high speed chargers, which is many times more than running 12 pumps. (I'm an electrical engineer by the way). The existing power supply which was installed to run the pumps is now totally inadequate, so you need to upgrade the cabling, switchgear etc. to the site from the power grid. The next problem is that the grid doesn't have sufficient capacity to supply that if we all went EV, which is a fact. The grid is approaching full capacity, we need to keep up to get home! What about home charging? Great, but what if you live in a flat or a terraced house with no off-street parking? "No problem" say the EV fanatics, "we'll put charging points on the lamp posts". Great, but hang on, you'd need one lamp post socket for every EV, presumably wired from an existing, relatively small, steel wire armoured cable which was installed to supply a chain of lamp posts which in total have a current requirement which is a fraction of even one reasonably rapid EV charge point, and therefore nowhere near enough load to do the job. Imagine the arguments when a neighbour goes to bed leaving his EV on charge overnight so nobody else can use the charge point. I won't even mention the cost of public charging compared to home charging, which I'm told is extortionate, even if you can find a working charge point for which you have the app and which isn't already in use. I'm talking about the UK here, which is where I live. An EV is ideal for someone who can charge at home overnight and who only uses the car for the school run or the trip to the local supermarket. Great. Personally I often work a 14 hour day, or more, which may involve 300-350 miles of driving, so I'd have to recharge somewhere and make my day even longer, assuming of course I could find a charger which worked and was vacant . For me, an EV would be about as much use as a chocolate teapot, and I wouldn't have one as a gift with the current charging infrastructure in place. These are not prejudices, they are hard facts, if you think I'm wrong please tell me where. We may get there one day, but that day is a very long way away. I hate to disagree with Quentin Willson, especially considering that we are old boys of the same school, but trying to argue that we're all ready to abandon petrol and diesel cars in favour of EVs anytime in the next decade or two is pretty obviously absolute nonsense.

[@fullychargedshow]

Hello Nigel. May I start by saying that the exact scenario you are describing in detailed, analytical, mathematical calculations has been discussed, assessed, analysed, designed around and planned for over the past 10 years. It's a perfectly reasonable projection, but it is of course entirely based around the psychology of liquid fuel use. I can talk about liquid fuel use with confidence because I burned liquid fuels for 40+ years. I really know how it works. I have also used only electrons for the past 14 years, so I REALLY know how EVs work. With a fuel burning vehicle, you pull over, stop by a fuel pump, stand by the vehicle while the fuel is pumped. You pay for that fuel and now you can drive 600 miles non stop. Which is REALLY bad for you and dangerous. Whatever happens, when you run low on that fuel you HAVE to go to another filling station and pay for more imported and toxic liquid fuel. In an electric vehicle, I arrange things so I don't wait, I do something useful while the car is charging, working, cooking, eating , sleeping. Electric cars will really come into their own when everywhere you can park a car legally has a charge point. This has already happened in places like Norway and Denmark and is already starting to happen here. So how often will people use rapid chargers when there are literally 1,000's of alternative ways of charging a car? Much, much less than people use fuel pumps, the ONLY way of using liquid fuel. So the calculations you used are not accurate. There will undoubtedly be times when the demand for rapid chargers exceeds supply, but not regularly.

[@nigelbarratt6825]

Perhaps you could enlighten me how I could do over 350 miles in a day without spending extra time charging compared to my non-stop journeys there and back? I work all day between the journeys in places where there are no chargers, so my working day, which is often already very long, would be even longer. I don't stop en route so charging time would inevitably have to be added on. I know several people who do high mileages like me and whose company cars have been switched to EVs and they're totally fed up with them. One guy even changed his job to get rid of the EV and go back to a diesel. These are real people with real world experience. There are motorway service stations with new EV chargers installed but not in use due to insufficient power available on the site, for the reasons I pointed out. You can evangelise all you like about the supposed wonderful nature of EVs, the fact remains that the UK does not yet have sufficient charging infrastructure, and for most high mileage time-restricted people they're still a nightmare, according to many who actually drive them. Great for mainly local low mileage work, no good for the likes of me and my colleagues.

[@fullychargedshow]

​ @nigelbarratt6825 Interesting that you totally avoided my response to all your original calculations of how utterly impossible it would be to rapid charge billions of electric car a minute. And now this. Try and imagine how many men have commented on The Fully Charged Show in the last 13 years, explaining how they drive between 350 to 700 miles a day, non stop, and how electric cars will never be any good for them. I used to suggest that these daily journeys represent 0.02% of global drivers. I agree that is irrelevant, there is only one solution for you, sadly it's that you must keep driving expensive, inefficient old combustion vehicles to meet your utterly extraordinary needs.

[@arnegerhardsen3755]

Dear Fully Charge show. I'm driving electric, and have a couple of points which are some real life experience with electric cars for me. I love your focus on affortable electric micro cars and electric bike-cars which can solve much of our local transport needs with lower energy and money consumption. We are living in a little Norwegian village and our car no 2 will now be i micro car or a car-bike. Maybe more people in Europe would like an electric car-bike if we would be allowed to go all electric to work in the mornings, and rather do some exercising as an human range-extender on the electric car-bike back home in the evenings. With such a solution I would ordered a CityQ car-bike at once. And maybe some car testers have too high focus on long range for electric cars, and it was much longer distances than needed for us. If we don't have much bigger batteries than needed we can share this on more ev's, and will avoid heavier cars than needed with all the benefits with the lighter cars. I was dreaming of these longer trips, and I thought the longest range was needed on our first electric car. But we didn't have many trips as long as our real life range, and I found that we loved to take a break after 3 hours driving and the car was fully charged before we had finished our meal. I love the handling and the shorter braking distance on a lighter car, and of course the lower cost from the tire wear, and I think this is good both for the environment and my wallet. Thanks to the Fully Charge show.

[@onlya3rd264]

I hope more people get EV’s soon so I can get gas for my car a lot cheaper than currently lol 😝. I’m not against EV’s just the price tag. When I can get a used unit for under $2000 I will probably buy one.

[@zannfox1082]

+ $15,000 for a New Battery :)

[@MS-Patriot2]

As gas becomes less popular, the gas price will increase as part of the drive to electric.

[@zannfox1082]

gasoline is still cheap, you can go 100,000 miles for about $3000@@MS-Patriot2

[@GDM22]

@@zannfox1082 Lets check the math, at least for Australia, average fuel economy ICE vehicle 11.2l/100km, fuel cost $2 per litre, that is around $18,000, a hybrid at best would halve that cost; where do you live

[@starr_helix6770]

I will just say two words….: Thermal runaway….

[@johnchristopher3032]

Energy density. Batteries cant match petrol/diesel. The disparity is enormous. So enormous, that the efficiency advantage electric motors enjoy over ICE does not overcome the density problem. Electric Batteries would have to improve by a factor of 10 to bridge the gap. When exactly do we expect that to happen?

[@MegaWilderness]

EVs are too expensive to buy, insure, replace tyres and public charge. As well as a complete waste of time waiting for them to charge. They may work when ultra-light vehicles, without power-steering a single rear 50kw motor and tiny battery. Think original mini without all the electronic control crap. No electric windows, doors, bonnet an boot and certainly no electric seats and steering wheel adjustment. No heated seats and wheel. I have a 2010 Citroën C3 book value £1345, annual tax £35 and annual insurance £256. It only has 45000 miles on the clock with a 700 mile range. Nothing greener

[@garyandrews8005]

The more EV vehicles that appear on the road will increase the price of electric

[@koltoncrane3099]

If you’re citing the WEF that says it all. Reminds me of how there’s three finance companies in the U.S. control voting shares of Wall Street. We’ve got faascism In the U.S. today thanks to etfs. CEOs care about keeping their jobs not about profit and cash flow. It makes it hard to really think what’s real when there’s such massive distortion by a few manipulating the many.

[@keypoint1293]

Heavier load means greater tyre wear to say that is not the case is clear nonsense, an affront to common sense.

[@ivaniii9707]

I don't fancy adding 2 to 4 hours to my trips to visit family. Electric cars are not fit for everyone. In cold winters if you don't have a charger and try to home charge the majority of the energy used is simply used on heating up the batteries.

[@pfv3462]

These EVs remain expensive junk, especially after 8 years they are no longer worth anything!

[@daphnethornton4829]

The figures on car numbers quoted is nothing in comparison go by the number of ICE cars on the road when doing a true comparison of fires in cars go by %.

[@studiosoftmorecambe6879]

Stand up if you will be changing your EV before the manufacturer's warranty runs out and therefore not giving a monkey's chuff about how long the battery and other components will last because it will not be your problem.

[@russellsalmon7591]

Let’s see how happy are when you try to sell it.

[@jeremyradford5103]

Great show. Signed up to Patreon 👍

[@kendu52]

The UK seems to have the same problem with charging that we have here in America, there aren’t enough public charging stations.

[@ianbell6680]

I live in a flat and it looks like nobody gives a stuff, no mentions that 5.7 million people are STUFFED

[@scarcesense6449]

My 2 main issues are the lack of charging facilities (in my own home, not in public - there's no practical way for me to charge one) and one that's just as problematic with other modern cars: a connected brain. With governments and society trending the way they are, there's a very good chance you'll walk to your car one day soon and it won't go because they didn't like a tweet you made mocking the government or it'll not be charged because they decided they needed the resources elsewhere and you were a low priority.

[@thekaxmax]

that can happen to an ICE car as well, they also have car computers.

[@scarcesense6449]

@@thekaxmax yep, hence why i wrote "...and one that's just as problematic with other modern cars"

[@thekaxmax]

@@scarcesense6449 I'm just pointing out that EVs aren't special in this regard. Also, your phone.

[@skyeiv8471]

With surveillance systems that sophisticated, and authoritarianism that unchallenged, what would stop them from preventing you from having legal access to gas? Anyway, what we actually need is better public transportation, so that if your car doesn't work, then it isn't a big deal.

[@s.patterson5698]

BINGO!!!

[@davepedantic]

I could never understand why, at the start of the EV evolution, the established car companies all went their separate ways and just adapted their current product range to become EVs with their batteries becoming structurally integrated into the chassis of the car. Surely the better approach would have been to design new models from the outset and to develop a common cassette style battery system for rapid swapping at service stations.

[@guyboisvert66]

There is at least one company doing that but it's not a really good idea providing we already have fast charging with Tesla a others.

[@kenoliver8913]

And, foreseeably so, those prestige legacy makers are already paying the penalty for such token measures. Who on earth would buy one of those kludgy converted ICE cars when you can get a far more sophisticated and useful Chinese EV, designed as an EV from the ground up, for far less?

[@jelloMohnny]

Really? At least in NA we have Ford - bespoke platform. GM - bespoke platform. Stelantis? Not sure. Hyundai / KIA - bespoke platform. M-B - bespoke. BMW? Converts. Polestar - bespoke. Volvo - getting on to their bespoke. Volkswagen - bespoke....Battery swapping is still not a thing outside out the Chinese BEV companies

[@gregchristie2763]

,being an engineer I can probably answer your question simply down to cost..cheaper to modify existing design and production lines.. Certainly then cheaper new dedicated production lines factories tooling etc.etc...hope thst helps..., interestingly though in the long run it is a short failed economy .. Because most manufacturers find they are losing money on each EV they sell.. VW publicly admitted this.. They said it takes some 30 hours to build an EV that Tesla do in 10.. I think only Tesla byd and Mercedes make money on EVs for now... They basically 'loss leaders'

[@davepedantic]

@@gregchristie2763 I am also an engineer (retired) and appreciate what you’re saying about re-tooling etc. However, good engineering to me meant being innovative whatever the cost. The established car manufacturers missed a trick by not producing new purpose designed EVs to compete with Elon Musk’s Tesla.

[@nevilleattkins586]

LSS - EVEN using those terrible Volvo figures - they are just wrong - on every single point! Reminds me of the so-called 'arguments' against veganism. They are just wrong - on every single point.

[@itspart]

HERTZ dumping 20.000 Tesla 🤔

[@javiermarques4657]

If EVs where so good to anyone, why the UE are willing to force people into buying them? That is the only question yet to be answered.

[@HairyNumbNuts]

If Robert wants to combat disinformation he needs to stop producing his own. "I once filmed for two days in an oil refinery" is NOT a expert's opinion. He has in the past claimed that oil refineries use far more cobalt than batteries. This is garbage and a lie. If you go to the Cobalt institute you will find out that batteries use 41% of all cobalt and catalysts (which what oil refining uses it for) use 7% - and oil refining is a minor part of that. The cobalt institute also states that the catalyst used in oil refineries for the purpose of desuphurisation is 3-4% TriCobalt TetraOxide, so it's a minor constituent (1-2% actual cobalt metal). The bottom line is that oil refining is a minor user of cobalt. Here is a statement you can also search: "It takes about 1 pound of cobalt to remove the sulfur from 80,000 gallons of petroleum products, like gasoline. 80,000 gallons would power a car for about 2.4 million miles, but 98.8% of that cobalt is recoverable, meaning we permanently lose only a pound of cobalt for every 6.6 million gallons we refine." That will be about the same recovery rate as from recycling batteries. If you want us to believe you, come out and admit that this is wrong and stop repeating it.

[@Brian-om2hh]

But of course where the oil industry loses points massively, is in recycling. Older EV batteries are now being 95% recycled, with the lithium and cobalt being 90% recovered and reused in new batteries. But I don't know of anyone recycling and reusing old burned petrol and diesel......

[@frze5645]

90% of EV drivers will not go back to petrol.................. YET. I give them 12 more months before their childish enthusiasm gets the better of them.

[@paulhammond5599]

I live on a large estate where that here are very few houses with a garage no matter a driveway. Over 90% are terraced and 40% are on small greens with parking on small areas at the entrance. How can they have electric vehicles. I am asking this as a person who would dearly love one but cannot charge it on an affordable charger ie home charging. Also the majority have 2 or 3 cars per household all that pollution has to be sorted. My question is is what can be done to accomplish this.

[@BobQuigley]

Our Miele electric heat pump dryer plugs into standard outlet and uses less the 900 watts while operating. No hole in our house for exhaust.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

Learn something new everyday. Thanks!

[@lukeclifton4392]

Why are Americans so behind in this kind of stuff. Condenser and heat pump dryers have been in use the world over for 10+yrs. Inverter AC compressors 20yrs in Asia-pacific, yet only becoming a thing in the US recently!

[@crtmojo2705]

@@lukeclifton4392Americans can get dug in on an idea. Despite the facts. And their news sources aren’t very trustworthy.

[@ohnoitisnt]

happy with my 5kw 0.5L/hr red diesel burner. 90p/L

[@superchargedxjr]

Very interesting. I think the pace of introduction and government dictat are the issues. The EV as an option is fine. I am also minded that Quentin Wilson told his audience at a Jaguar dealership launch at Park Royal, NW10 that the future for cars is hydrogen power and not electric.

[@timsmith5339]

@superchargedxjr I confess that I was hopeful for hydrogen until very recently too. I don't think you can knock a man who will go with the evidence when it is presented to him though. For many years I was happy to go with popular opinion on these things until I realised how blatantly wrong public opinion sometimes is. Now, if it matters, I dig deeper and find credible, trusted and corroborated sources with evidence before I leap onto the nearest bandwagon. I cannot believe that people (especially big business with profits at stake) can lie so openly without finding themselves in criminal proceedings.

[@RB-lt8kt]

Depends who is paying him LOL

[@thekaxmax]

hydrogen's not efficient enough unless it's a fuel cell. And those have a way to go at the moment, and refuelling a bugger.

[@RB-lt8kt]

Its also storing hydrogen as it takes a lot of electricity to cool it.@@thekaxmax

[@crtmojo2705]

@@thekaxmaxexactly. Once we have enough electrical energy sources; we can make hydrogen cheaper and sell it at a reasonable price. We may have to bring back full service stations with trained techs for refueling. I see people smoke and use their phones at the gas stations too often.

[@netgnostic1627]

I'm 63. I have never in my life bought a new car. The most I've ever spent on a used car was $7500, Canadian - and that one was 7 years old, but with low mileage. I know I can't buy a used EV that's any good, for that price. Right now, that's my barrier to owning an EV.

[@PeterJames143]

Yes, that's a few years away. You probably don't drive a lot or you would buy more expensive cars. But if you put a lot of miles on your car you could factor in the price of gas to your price. There are used EVs that are cheaper, but they're the ugly slow ones. Nissan Leafs and Chevy Bolts. But you're still looking at 12k or 18k respectively. You can check carvana. Leafs have a reputation for losing range, I don't know how well that is deserved though. I would think that unless you're in a warm part of Canada you might not want a cheaper EV because it might not handle the low temperatures too well. But to be honest you are very careful with money. And it is at least arguable that if your real full concern is the environment then it is better not to buy a car at all but live in a place with good public transportation, or if your real full concern is affordability then maybe the same solution is best. Maybe it is worth splurging on a used Tesla. Well I'm on carvana right now and I see a 2012 Mitubishi i-MiEV with 31k miles selling for $9,990. Range is 62 miles. :( That's the problem, half the cars these OEMs manufactured are basically golf carts, only useful as grocery or short commute cars. I commute to a city and this mitubishi would basically bring me halfway to the first point in my roundtrip visit.

[@joandodds7626]

@@PeterJames143ANOTHER Canadian living in rural northern Canada, I must have a 4x4 to get to my house, which I have a unreliable hydro (electric) supplier that I pay Twice per kilowatt hour compared to cities, with a Diesel generator back up, I have fuel oil and propane as a heat source as well as water from my well because natural gas will not run a line to our community. I COMPLETELY DISAGREE with the EV brain wash scam as the closest Ev charging station is 1/2 hour drive away. I won’t get into our weather in Canada as it is what it is. Solar doesn’t work here... even if I clear cut my forest giving me shade. I truly believe that the corporate & government scam is spinning and shutting down the HYDROGEN being the TRUE SOLUTION! Conversion kits won’t sell new cars and won’t put massive tax dollars in the government! YOU keep and buy your EV’s but DO NOT try to shove your scam down my throat. GO TOYOTA & their hydrogen path👍‼️🇨🇦

[@thomaswilson2917]

@@joandodds7626 hydrogen is a scam just designed to keep people buying gas powered cars. Hydrogen will never become a reality. Where do you think you will get hydrogen? Not at your home. Takes a lot of electricity to make hydrogen.

[@laser_simon922]

@@joandodds7626I‘m sorry, but this does not make sense. You live in a very special place and you have a very special situation. Just because it doesn‘t work for you, does not mean it is the wrong solution. 1. 4x4 EVs exist and can even work better than ICE 4x4. 2. ½ hour drive to the charge, I assume is simmilar to the next gas station and shops, so not ideal at the moment, but also not too bad. 3. If you get, e.g. the F150 lightning, you could power your home during cut outs up to 3 days, without the need for a diesel generator. and 4. Hydrogen is THE scam from big companies to still be able to sell you something they can put s huge margin on, like diesel. Because electricity (solar) can be „made“ by most people on their roof, but hydrogen has to be bought at a gas station or distributed with s grid. Which means you are still in need of these big coroprations…

[@synnical77]

@@laser_simon922 I also live in Canada (calgary) and don't have a garage so my family's three vehicles park in the driveway and street. Some winters it gets down to -30 Degrees celcius. Being forced into an EV is not going to work for me. The most expensive car I've ever purchased was a used 2013 Chevy Sonic 9 years ago for $15,000 CAD. Although EV's may fit many people's lifestyles they definitely don't fit mine. People living in apartment buildings and similar situations won't have personal garages and private charging stations. The early adopters are obviously the one's with ideal situations as they chose to go electric. Good for them. There's a huge amount of people who don't have the money or living conveniences to follow suit.

[@davebaker8362]

Are you going to challenge Geoff buys cars to a driving challenge to prove ev are better than ice vehicles

[@ImLivinSD]

Very hard to actually find discussions that host both sides of the issue. Funny how Not a Single EV caught fire in the Audience ? and they did not acknowledge that when EV's catch fire its typically pretty Fatal and UNSTOPABLE !

[@engineeringtheweirdguy2103]

@@ImLivinSDit is difficult to stop. But hardly fatal. Thermal runaway takes a VERY long time to take hold. Between 0.5-1.5 hours. Meanwhile a combustion car can be completely engulfed in flames in under a minute. As for the likelihood of a fire. Even insurance companies and safety regulators across the globe agree EV’s are some 20-60 times less likely to combust compared to an ICE.

[@soldierssoldier.1503]

'Geoff buys cars' along with his pal the Macmaster do regular challenges over hundreds of miles ie. one challenge was John of Groats to Lands end, Geoff Buys Cars drives older diesel cars, and Lee drives his Porche EV it's not possible for Lee (The Macmaster) to ever win, Geoff Buys Cars has a 16-gallon car full of fuel, Lee can at a push get around 200 miles before he has to charge, he has to do this several times for 30-40 minutes a time so how can he ever win, he can't as Geoff Buys Cars can travel without usually refilling, he doesn't stop, hence he wins hands down every time so it proves nothing. They both have great followers and both make good money from the advertising on their videos, so, these so-called challenges are false and are made to make money from the videos they make, ( check out Lee's video where he does tells you what he makes from a single video (it was in the hundreds of £££s ) no other reason, it's all for the money, it's their jobs to make these videos, it's their living. Lee also does many food and travel videos which are pretty good and of course, help make him more money.

[@tzeimet]

What difference does it make if the Westminster government is moving the goalposts if local authorities like TFL are pushing for a ban on combustion engine vehicles by 2030? With European cities such as Paris (most major French cities in fact), Barcelona and Amsterdam following suite, surely the possibility of being banned from most major cities is enough to put people off buying a combustion engine vehicle in the next few years.

[@FIGHTTHECABLE]

They will just have to feel it when time comes. Then people won't want to buy those cars 2nd hand cars anymore and the idiots that bought them ICE cars, will have to sell them with a value loss. I'm okay with people buying ice cars, I don't need to support them in their financial decissions. 😊

[@christophmartin5381]

I guess it is the try to prevent delays. And that is important, there is no time to loose. Propaganda against a brighter should be prevented at nearly all cost. I think this campaign is good! But I want to mention that this campaign should be hold with normal people who do not own EVs and PVs etc...

[@christophmartin5381]

...brighter future....

[@richardkingadi5511]

The UK produces 1% of global carbon. If you took every single rehicle off the road - and the UK sank beneath the waves, it would make a miniscule difference to climate change... ;)

[@Nikoo033]

@@richardkingadi5511what matters is the lack of climate change leadership that it shows, from one of the major economy in the world.

[@mikestanton571]

That stand up if piece was pointless, a captive audience, it’s like asking the audience at the Tory party conference if they will vote Tory.

[@engineeringtheweirdguy2103]

So you shouldn’t be asking EV owners if they would buy another EV as their next car? Who should you be asking then?

[@richardjohnson5529]

sunak and his wife are in the pockets of shell, bp, exxonmobil. etc.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

My MG5 Taxi is at 116000 fault free miles so far. My brake pads are not even 1/2 worn! Yes I have had to replace tyres but no quicker than I would expect to replace the tyres on an equally powerful fossil car. In total my vehicle has ises 2 liters of brake fluid (a pointless service requirement) and 1 liter of greabox / diferential oil (essential for long life). That is it. Oh and 2 headlight and 2 number plate lights and a quantity of screen wash. By 130,000 miles it will have saved me the cost of the vehicle in fuel savings alone. No drop in range visable yet nor performance.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

If they stop refining crude oil for diesel and petrol, where will your transmission get it's oil from?

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

Nicer to drive too?

[@4literv6]

@@geoffhaylock6848 plant's of course, there already plant based lubricants on the market.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

@@4literv6 Used to love the smell of Castrol R in the morning! Lubricants can be made from many things. Are you suggesting we have enough arable land to grow food for everyone and grow all our lubricants?

[@4literv6]

@@geoffhaylock6848 well if we stopped growing corn for ethanol and used that lane for solar we could power our grid. So sure we can reuse some wasted crop space, or just do vertical indoor farming? 👍🏻

[@eap8317]

I have friends working in car manufacturers (aFORDable ones! wink) and they say the industry has invested lots of money for the 2030 change and are furious at this government for delaying the transition to 2035... the industry and people in the UK were getting ready and the economy was able to make these changes but the government is trying to appeal to a minority of the population that still thinks we can afford (as a species) to keep burning stuff... old dinosaurs who are steadily dying out leaving the younger generations to sort their sh*t!

[@retiefgregorovich810]

So, what I hear is, "in the future". In the future, the grid will be cleaner, in the future, no cobalt will be used, etc. I don't live in the future, I live in the here and now. I really wish people would compare apples to apples when it comes to car fires. Yes, ICE cars have more fires per miles driven than EV's, but you can't compare just ICE to EV, as ICE cars can be quite old, while EV's are fairly new. Just looking at miles driven, you are comparing ICE cars that are anywhere from 0 to fifty years old to EV's that are less than 10 years old, most probably only a couple years old. It is not a fair comparison by any means, and these guys know it. This is called disinformation. Now they are lying about car weights. Batteries are massive, they add weight to the car, causing both greater tire wear and long stopping distances. The fact that you can buy a small electric car is a diversion. Comparing the same car type ICE vs EV, the EV is heavier by far. EV transition is NOT happening gradually, in the US we are being forced into it in a short time frame, and the grid cannot grow at the same pace due to the insanity that is involved in just getting the permits to build new lines. I know people say, well, we charge our cars at night when there is less demand. True, but electrical distribution systems are built with the less demand at night usage, and count on that for their equipment to cool down at night and have less wear and tear. If power demand stays high 24/7, black outs will occur. I worked for an electrical company, I know the pain very well. Basic problem with this video is that it is all one happy family, no one onstage to provide any pushback.

[@paulinmazurek2769]

Nearly all the audience drive an electric car amazing .

[@MrMarkieg]

Nearly all the audience are sheep and naively believing that their choice of transport is the future!

[@PatrickDraper]

Because the audience aren't morons and realize that electric cars are 1) better than ICE cars 2) aren't dedicated to signalling to people around them that they're Trump fans.

[@lemongavine]

I never get into the environment debate with people. I tell them I bought an EV for the performance. It makes for a civilized discussion about the benefits of EV instead of arguing about which one is greener.

[@FIGHTTHECABLE]

Good point

[@SmolBiscuit]

Exactly! Speaking from owning an Electric Vehicle in the United States, the first thing I steer the discussion toward is the cost savings that I've experienced in owning an Electric Vehicle. The excitement of instant torque that comes with it, the environment is the last thing I touch if at all because THAT is the touchy subject. Most of the time by choosing performance and cost savings that's how I've convinced others to give Electric a try.

[@lemongavine]

@@SmolBiscuit 💯

[@kadmow]

- yes and that is the whole point, if it works for your use case and enjoyment, go for it. Long term whichever solutions use the least input energy will win. FUD goes both ways. Cost saving is to avoid if talking with folk who might not purchase high value new cars (for anyone with an annual 25-30k depreciation budget - the cost argument is moot) - the majority of purchasers of EVs still seem to be private (or salary sacrificing executives - price no object, nor barrier) affluent types - The average 3-5 year lease on a Tesla model 3 unlikely to cost less than my ICE (3 year) expense.

[@Brian-om2hh]

I simply say any environmental benefits are purely incidental as far I'm concerned. I bought it because it's so much cheaper to run than my last petrol car....

[@Tobycentresydney]

It's nice you guys have your group therapy sessions on the truth of EVs and just focusing on car's being the answer is just a fallacy, yes they are great for the in the moment no emissions near by and yes its lovely the air near the car is clean, however even if every car on earth was somehow an EV there is still not enough energy generating stations in operation to even consider this an idea. furthermore, if all cars were EV or non ICE the effect this will have in lowering earths environmental temperature increase is like 0.001oc because don't forget the CO2 it took to create them and all the earth you dug up to make them. Now moving on to the biggest polluters, if you really want to make a difference focus your attention on the fact that China emits 29.18% of the world carbon emissions and their aggressive expansion into creating new coal fired power stations (to power its huge EV market) - which maybe a lie coz hey its China, followed by the USA at 14%, India 7.0% and Russia 4.65% and by the way Russia barely even has an EV market, not that that it'd be a good idea anyway batteries hate freezing temperatures and its cold over 100 days of the year there. Even in the most Pro EV state of America (California) the charging experiences recorded by owners is still pretty dismal in 2023. if you can somehow figure out how to fix shipping emissions, aviation emissions and developing countries power grids with clean and green solutions then great thats where you should focus your concerns. But focussing your energy in EVs is a tiny tiny part of the overall picture. Oh and last thing the Q&A and the stand up if you....blah blah, well of course 95% will stand, you're talking to the Pro EV fully charged audience, it's a very skewed view of what people really think.

[@cbcdesign001]

The irony is this video is aimed at myth busting but the some will still post those same mistruths in the comments without bothering to watch the video

[@ElRel]

Deffo.... They need to jump to 15:00 where the facts start

[@t1n4444]

No. The entire show was quite slick, without doubt, however being slick, in the same way as Trump rally, does not mean it's all true.

[@RoonMian]

@@t1n4444 What in the video in particular was not true? Please show your sources.

[@GrahamRead101]

@@t1n4444 apart from, well facts, given from people actually running fleets of EV's.....

[@t1n4444]

@@RoonMian Seriously? You swallowed it whole. That type of presentation is what is known as greenwashing. Of you believed that stuff then good for you. I objected to the glib comment that batteries cars are "green" yet no mention of how much green energy was used for charging or indeed how much fossil fuel. Rishi has signed off on Rosebank exploitation so UK will see some of the output. Who can say then how clean the energy is, or will be, for charging EVs? .

[@smacfe4076]

So I'm supposed to believe a bunch of blokes whose livelihood depends on selling electric vehicles? Oh, and also, they are in the entertainment industry; which has always told nothing but the truth without distortion.

[@simonb3225]

Best to trust the billion dollar fossil fuel industry. They never lie.

[@tommasoterzano5180]

The only problem hardly solvable is that, as demonstrated during the stand up part, this show can't pierce the audience bubble . Everyone that whatches the fully charged show already agrees with it, so it's very hard that it manages to convince new people to buy EVs

[@SteveRomigsongwriter]

Tesla is already outselling every other car manufacturer in the EV market and is the 2nd biggest selling car manufacturer in the world overall. The predictions are it will be the biggest overall, and by overall that includes ICE vehicles, by 2024. The cheapest Tesla’s, at around $25k us, will be coming out of China by the end of 2024 and that will be the nail in the coffin for ICE vehicles. Cyber truck preorders are at 2 million+ and rising. In spite of the blatant misinformation from the fossil fuel industry the adoption and sales of EV’s will continue to climb and the misinformation will get worse. And the misinformation is all shit.

[@karlosh9286]

I'd love for EVs to be better and cheaper than ICE vehicles. For me , currently they're not. That's the reality that needs to change for me to consider an EV. It's all really around the batteries, charging and cost. If it was just down to the electric-motor versus IC-engine, then we'd have all been driving EVs decades ago. electric motors are much simpler , more reliable, no need for clutches or multi ratio gearboxes, along with much simpler lubrication and cooling. Trains are predominantly electric, but they get their power via over head lines, or track based pickup, and don't require batteries and charging. In trains IC-engines are only used where the government has been too lazy or tight to electrify the lines. That has needed fixing for decades.

[@SteveRomigsongwriter]

@@karlosh9286 they are better and getting cheaper.

[@karlosh9286]

@@SteveRomigsongwriterI guess they're getting better and cheaper, but they're not better, more convenient or cheaper than ICE cars yet. When they are, then if I can afford one, I'll probably get one.

[@HermanWillems]

You are so right. EV's spread best by mouth by mouth and real life experience. Not by some forced show like this. Psychology says that people even though you are right don't like to get forced with it.

[@Skiridr22]

The worse thing is when a well respected educated public figure repeats and try to push disinformation on others

[@danielcarroll3358]

We've been here before. It's just that everyone is dead who would have remembered, "Get a horse!"

[@markstarmer3677]

I think the powers that be must think the majority of us are stupid. EVs are miles away from being a serious alternative to petrol and diesel. They have their own agenda which inevitable isn't ours.

[@DrMontague]

The solution: build a state of the art public transport system, have thousands of free electric taxis on the roads, this will take millions of cars off the road, our carbon foot print would reduce dramatically. Amazing that no one has thought of this!

[@markstarmer3677]

@DrMontague at tax payers expense ! Why this country wastes money on carbon associated issues when China, Russia, India, Brazil etc don't bother. We are a pin prick on the global map, why make uk citizens suffer this pathetic green tax. The aforementioned countries must be laughing their heads off at our pathetic liberal government. Labour ironically would be ten times worse.

[@richardweyland116]

@@DrMontague Sure they have. Watch the movie Soylent Green. That's the goal with this BS. How many active volcanoes are on this planet? How much emissions do they produce?

[@davidtaylorbfd]

Bring down the price for the normal working man/woman and get extra public charges then people will buy EVs.

[@Brian-om2hh]

The used EV market goes a way to helping in that respect. You no longer *have* to buy new.......

[@johnbooth5199]

​@@Brian-om2hh How long will the battery last, though. Will it still have most of its range after another 5-7 years. I couldn't afford more than 8-10k for a car, and it has got to be reliable.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@johnbooth5199 The key metric is cost in use. Batteries outlast an ICE. You can rent or lease.

[@johnbooth5199]

@@waynerussell6401 Rent or lease? Will that be affordable to the average jo(e), The kind of person that buys a cheap runabout for £4-6k. I'm a new driver, in my mid 40s. My 1st car was £9k and that was extravagant. But I need a reliable little car to access work. I live in a rural area. Well paying jobs are in nearby cities that are upto 40 miles away. Public transport is not an option, as it simply is not reliable enough.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@johnbooth5199 Worry not John. Once the battery degrades to the point where you feel the range is less than you practically need, then you can have the battery pack repaired and refurbished, just as you would a worn engine. It's difficult to say how much it'll cost exactly, but it will probably be way less than the cost of a new battery. If I told you that Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire, carried out a battery pack refurbishment on a 10 year old Nissan Leaf a while ago, with the work taking 4 hours, and costing £500, might it help to give you some perspective? The rate of battery degradation tends to slow after 3 to 4 years, and then often settles at around 3 to 4% loss per year.

[@y5chu]

Didn’t mention anything about EV fires being much more difficult to put out once they do start, and I’m not convinced about the 19 time less likely to catch alight than an ICE car stat, Not referenced or backed up. If you’re unlucky enough to have your car set itself alight next to your house, this can be lethal. If you seen a BYD car from china, you will see the build quality makes Teslas look semi decent and doesn’t give you much confidence in the their battery protection, interestingly they had not a single unbiased person in the whole show. It would have been nice to see what a fire chief has to say about a burning EV with thousands of cells that can reignite days or even weeks after original fire was extinguished. Simply put EV are more of a danger to the public and environment than something like a Hydrogen powered car, liquified Hydrogen needs to be maintained at 700 bar, but in its un-liquidfied state 350 bar tank is sufficient, perfectly achievable,Hydrogen is the way forward with the current network of petrol stations that can be converted far easier than installing new electric charge points, not electric cars.

[@johnnyblue4799]

What a stupid show... of course a 3.5 ton van if electric will wear tires faster. It's 3.5 tons total weight, not empty. And it carries heavy batteries all the time. All this nonsense with EV vs. ICE needs to stop. Let everyone decide what they want to drive. When EVs will be such a great alternative, they won't need to be forced on people. People will go looking for them. Until then back off. Everyone should be able to judge his own circumstances and drive what makes sense for them.