FUN / NOT FUN: TBC Dungeons and Raids Edition

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[@greymoonz1]

WHATS UP FAT

[@primecalibur]

"who doesn't love Mana Tombs?" - spoken by a man who hasn't done the escort quest ten trillion times

[@maybeehh4860]

everytime someone starts it i want to poke their eyes out with my bare hands

[@Viciouss72]

The weapon models in tbc were really good. The last boss in mana tombs drops some really nice ones.

[@Urdok123]

Karazhan is still my number 1 raid ever, crazy to think that it has been 17 years.

[@andromidius]

Its my #3. #1 in atmosphere and music, but the bosses are hit and miss.

[@lukesemail6980]

7…17..17 years? Really? Woah… I honestly hadn’t realized that.

[@ancientseed2607]

@@lukesemail6980he’s wrong lol it hasn’t been 17 years.

[@jasons2210]

Love the Fun/Not Fun series. Hope it continues for each expansion.

[@NixxiomOnYouTube]

Currently working on WotLK Dungeons and Raids. :)

[@nexusobserve]

please please please do more. this is better than a tierlist by a mile

[@Swamprot]

Karazhan was THE raid for a lot of casual players though. Everything about it is iconic, especially the music.

[@FFgamesftw]

Botanica was actually my favorite dungeon to do ever because I played a priest. You got to Mind control the dude at the start for a crazy buff and then there were a few different mobs you would MC throughout that their abilities would completely annihilate the packs. I also hated the 2nd boss of Auchenai crypts due to that 300% casting time debuff which just made it super tedious.

[@solarstorm5242]

I completely agree with what you say for the first boss of the Auchenai Crypts, it’s a tedious boss for casters, even if you stand as far away from him as you can, it’s still at least +100% cast time, and it’s annoying.

[@Roofhack]

Yeah, honestly Mech and Bot should be switched. Mech just has far too many annoying mechanics, pun not intended. Bot with the MCs buffs is cool, and so many badges and loot comparatively. And how do you get lost in Bot? It is literally one alleyway.

[@happyhippiesurbanfarm]

Burning Crusade had some of the best music for the dungeons and raids. Plus arguably the number one raid trailer ever with Zul’Aman.

[@martonszalontai8320]

If you take gear drops into consideration when talking about dungeons, you shouldn’t forget about one of the coolest looking polearms that drops from the dragon boss in Hellfire Ramparts! When transmog came around in Cata, that weapon was the first thing that came to my mind.

[@Rustyjamesman]

Karazhan was my first experience raiding , i played vanilla but i was a super noob but by tbc i was actually max lvl and knew enough about the game to raid. It'll always have a special place in my heart

[@Boltizar49]

Magister’s Terrace is supposed to be a culmination of the rest of the expansion’s content: Outdoor content with the isle Dungeon design A fight that emulates PvP Last fight uses raid mechanics Great dungeon to cap off the expansion.

[@PArosmia1]

Slave pens was the best dungeon as the daily HC, fun skips and very rewarding for a good group. Definitely a fun from me😊

[@adamharlow3302]

plus no drops??/ Quags eye literally you could wear for the whole game as a caster if you were unlucky at drops

[@Tenwood650]

FUN! Watching the latest Nixxiom video NOT FUN! Waiting until the next one ❤love the uploads man

[@madtacoking6109]

Karazhan had the best memories for me by far. At least the parts when I was sober running it. Drunk Karazhan made it even more fun! Great series looking forward to more

[@orunenf5533]

Many many drunk runs of Kara and they all somehow were memorable

[@Lizard1582]

They basically just designed 4 areas, (coilfang reservoir, hf citadel, tk, and auchindoun) and regurgitated them for multiple dungeons and the raids. Auchindoun has like 1 unique area in the entire series of dungeons (the bridge of souls in Auchenei Crypts) and the rest is just halls.

[@solarstorm5242]

While you’re not wrong, most dungeons feel at least a but different, due to the layout, props and mobs present. And I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing either, it makes those places feel quite large when you realise they’re the same place.

[@Lizard1582]

@@solarstorm5242 I think TK, Coilfang, and Blood Furnace are mostly fine, but Auchindoun is one of the lowest effort things in the game.

[@theoutlander1411]

WOTLK wasn't much different.

[@christiansimon6949]

Maaan I LOVED all the zangarmarsh dungeons. They were long and difficult but the atmosphere and the music was awesome! First time I ran those dungeons it felt like I was doing something BIG and difficult. Most recently my gf and I leveled up new characters and the two of us grinded all of those dungeons the challenge was her favorite experience. To the point where now she just wants to do delves

[@likemike9405]

Great video, I think TBC would be loved by many more people if group buffs were raid-wide and attunements were account-wide.

[@andromidius]

Yeah there was a LOT of busywork in TBC. Maybe one day we'll get a TBC Season of Mastery and they can fix some of the gripes (raid wide buffs being the biggest issue - having to bring 4+ Shaman to realistically complete some of the raids was rather tiresome).

[@maximus6253]

Any plant/swamp based dungeons are trash, noted lol

[@Weavelol]

I agree, except: - Hyjal: Definitely not fun imo, regardless of wc3 or not. Was cool to clear the first few times, but eventually it became even more boring than Molten Core, simply because of how long and repetitive the trash waves were + the fact you couldn't make it end much faster yourself, no matter how good your raid was. -SSC: Very memorable. This raid did have a lot of trash which made it a little exhausting, but had some incredibly fun and unique boss fights. Leotheras who switched between human and demonic forms, The Lurker Below that you needed someone with max fishing to fish out and Morogrim, which was a cool dps/healing check. However, Vashj was the gem of this raid being a very difficult fight for the time requiring proper coordination & good dps on P2 while the last phase was chaotic with the MCs and green pools everywhere. - Slave Pens: I find this one fun because it was arguably the shortest dungeon in tbc if you did the various skips and overall the easiest heroic, usually the first one fresh dinged chars did. A Breath of fresh air compared to the difficulty of BM, Arcatraz, etc.

[@Wildchildinc]

I recently did BT for the first time in years to finish the boss kills for trade post task on retail. I had no idea they changed the Den of Mortal Delights mobs until now.

[@yoavhayun4590]

Mana Tombs had the best background music.

[@ffarkasm]

similar to Diablo

[@jamcal5]

No way Nixxiom actually played tbc putting Hyjal in Fun 💀

[@x3wildcard]

Bro I would play a TBC era server that was nothing but preraid gearing and kara. I don't know what it is, but I fucking love that phase of TBC.

[@robertpugh3143]

I started in Wrath, BUT I only had up to BC so my character was capped at 70. As such, I wound up putting together a lot of BC dungeons and raids for fun once I couldn't lvl anymore. Karazhan was and still is my favorite. I loved everything about it. The backstory, associated characters, putting together the key, learning all the fights, shortcuts, how it just got progressively more surreal the further up you went, until at the peak it was like it was half in a totally different reality as opposed to how it appears from the outside. I've done loads of other raids since but nothing ever tops the atmosphere of that place. Multiple expansions later, I'd come back on a way more powerful character just to walk through it again. It's just such an... experience.

[@ich8966]

I absolutely adore TBC dungeons and raids. It's the only expansion where I actually like all of the dungeons and love every raid (except hyjal). I love questing in the zones too. TBC is also the only expansion where I leveled one alt after the other and actually geared them up at max level without getting bored. I don't know what it is but the pacing (duration of dungeons/raids, how fast you gear up, etc) in TBC just feels perfect to me (and the aestethic of course). A bit faster than Vanilla and a bit slower than Wrath. I actually really dislike how all the dungeons in Wrath are just an AoE rush fest and how all of the gear looks the same. I never played og Vanilla/TBC/Wrath so I only know Classic but I have to say out of the 3 of them I loved TBC the most. 10/10 would play again some day

[@patrickcallender9385]

when I first ran hyjal in tbc classic I loved it, on raid night 3, I was done with it.

[@TWISTEDGiraff3]

Not sure how I feel about Mana tombs. As a healer it can be pretty annoying if you’re getting mana drained a lot, but I do appreciate a challenge as well

[@branman4959]

TBC was a really cool and really good looking and designed expansion. The zones looked awesome

[@MistahTeeLecksAhFly]

I think BC had the best dungeons to introduce for classic wow at least. It gives you such a “dungeon” feeling that wrath kind of gives but not quite the way that bc does.

[@andromidius]

Dungeons were much more important during TBC for sure. The fact the same Emblem was used throughout meant no matter your gear you'd still do them constantly (until maybe you were well geared from Sunwell) and they were challenging even when you completely outgeared it because there were some nasty mechanics you couldn't ignore and power scaling wasn't completely busted yet (looking at you, Wrath - we're only in the second tier and we can practically solo heroic dungeons already).

[@MistahTeeLecksAhFly]

@@andromidius yup. Heroic plus feels like it needs to scale with your gear after a while or overtime maybe the dungeon itself. I feel already that though it is harder than a regular heroic, it’s still super easy. I have like 4k gearscore and can run a heroic + with people with 3-3.5k with little to no issues as long as they pay attention

[@Kelekona_808]

I like the fun no fun lists. I like to look at them in terms of max level players returning to run them solo.

[@david21289]

Ooo blood furnace, I remember soloing this place over and over when I was power leveling my DK

[@mellowsunset7730]

You got some balls coming out in favor of Hyjal - but I agree with you. While not perfect, it’s a unique raid with great loot and an iconic setting. Not perfect doesn’t mean it’s trash. Thanks for having the courage to say so.

[@Guesswhohowduguess]

I never understood what people don't like about Hyjal. Just being there with Jaina and Thrall at that legendary moment is great.

[@BIacklce]

because it was too easy and a waste of time.

[@orunenf5533]

I liked mount hyjal a lot during tbc classic. Probably because i was a seeding warlock so i got to see a lot of pretty numbers and even being undergeared it was fun to compete against zoncd out mages and other locks

[@Jon_the_Wizard]

I remember healing, like, half these dungeons on Holy Paladin was nearly impossible, ESPECIALLY Magister’s Terrace.

[@Dreadnautilus]

Fun fact: Illidan made the Den of Mortal Delights in the Black Temple as a reward to his loyal followers. However, Akama saw this as a desecration of the Temple of Karabor, which is part of the reason why Akama eventually betrayed him. I just find it funny that part of Illidan's downfall is directly linked to him wanting to give his soldiers pussy.

[@Icosiol]

18 or 19 were fun?

[@Wraize1]

6 or 7 were not fun?

[@Mitchel6489]

I miss TBC. If classic wow has proven one thing, it's tbc > wrath. It was just the perfect blend of classic and difficulty

[@michaelcitrino5339]

I know it's not true but this list makes me feel like you didn't even play in the dungeons of TBC. Mana tombs was hated by nearly every player for the mana burns and the annoying escort. Ppl only went in to do a quest or two. Shattered halls was more hated than any dungeon I've ever seen, the mobs hit hard, ppl are stupid and can't watch their surroundings, the slime pit, so many reasons to hate shattered halls. Slave pens was only used for boosting. It's alright but fears were annoying. Karazhan, the perfection of a raid. This was the pinnacle of fun, you can even play a game of chess, and win with just 3 pieces of you knew what to do.

[@darkwulf2k]

Overall I'd agree. Hyjal is on the fence for me. I feel like a CoT dungeon was missed though, or was the burning of strathholm added later?

[@spamwiseQQ]

Wrath matey

[@darkwulf2k]

@@spamwiseQQ thanks. couldnt remember, just know that CoT has 3 dungo entrances and two raid lol

[@DeadManProp]

Weird, I never knew Black Temple was not the last raid of the expansion.

[@Walocial]

Before watching this, I admit that TBC had almost no "not fun" instances! The Battle For Mount Hyjal however... only instance that stands out to me as horrible. :)

[@Azmina_the_warlock]

You seen Azeroth at War yet? I saw they have necromancer class. Figured you might have already but just in case

[@Apremus]

Karazhan was the sole reason i played TBC classic, that raid is perfection

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

be me, chilling in the Underbog suddenlt out of nowhere: *THE BLACK STALKER* what was Blizzard trying to tell us?

[@TheRexTera]

You should do a quest chain review next

[@keyblades2]

Honestly KZ blew my mind back in 07. I had never seen a raid like that. KZ and ZA are my top 2 to this day

[@TN51234]

weird taste

[@Freedom-of-speech4]

Hello Nix and the rest of the guys from the chat i need your help with wow related subject. I recently quit retail wow for obvious reasons and im looking for a private server to fill my wow addiction my main focus is pvp mainly casual. I try a bit warmane but is heavy pw2 and i have to pay a lot of money in the store and buy gear to compete for pvp and i thought to try turtle wow dont get me wrong great server if you like to pve or rp but pvp sucks there. Any suggestions are more than welcome

[@hirotashi]

I'm sorry but you're under appreciation of the slave pens, steamvaults,underbog and SSC makes me furious! You're wrong because these are some of the best because of Naga's, Zangarmarsh and the whole stoner vibe. Get on our level bro.

[@stephenweinelt1175]

wait.... did they fruitbowl blacl temple????

[@yetigaming8711]

Steamvaults def place into Fun category esp when you know the waterwalking skip with a hunter+sham in the group so you can waterwalking+aspect of the pack thru 1/2 of it never seen a quiet chat when a group first gets introduced to it.

[@Boxfortress]

Hillsbrad : Fun Welp can't share this video with guildies. (Herald of the Titans run flashbacks) some of us had to runs Hillsbrad a 100 some odd times cause the gear we needed refused to drop.

[@alexrompen805]

Hjyal Summit was fun... the first 5-10 times... after that it got TEDIOUS AF, also you showed the Armani Battle Bear, the reskinned version for Cata, not the Armani War Bear you got in TBC..

[@chw14556]

Ah man, hating on some of my favorite dungeons of ALL TIME. I absolutely love the Zangarmarsh dungeons. Still to this day, TBC is one of my favorite experiences ever with a video game. As far as raids go, TBC set the standard for Bliz moving forward with this one.. nothing more to say, the raids were next level.

[@komdotexe1904]

9:21 7? or 6

[@dewgaming9479]

It would be amazing with a classic tbc era server.

[@Asmus17]

Makes me miss playing wow, I haven’t played in over 7/8 years

[@Ponyj0]

Yep pretty much point for point in my list too. Coilfang overall just feels like a slog to get through and was overall very meh. Going through SSC in Classic just felt worse than I remembered it and somehow I ended up enjoying Battle for Mount Hyjal more than I remembered, which is bizarre to me but hey it is what it is. I'll give it to Slave Pens for at least being the best of the Coilfang bunch. Plus it has Ahune The Frost Lord during Midsummer Festival

[@NorthWay_no]

Kara and the Isle stuff. The rest you can keep.

[@theoutlander1411]

I think this is your most accurate video yet.

[@deflol]

you misspelled least

[@DrunkTalk]

TBC remains my favorite expansion. Kinda sad we can't play it rn.

[@ffarkasm]

I mostly agree with the raids part (maybe except that TK: Eye and Hyjal are not that fun, just like SSC, but you agree on that at least). However I couldn't disagree more on the dungeons part. In general I strongly dislike the tBC dungeons due to the shortness and lack of peculiarity compared to vanilla dungeons. Most of them are designed in a conveyor belt manner and feels too artificial which destroys the whole fantasy/RPG feeling (especially the ones in the Coilfang Reservoir and Auchindoun). So here is my list ([+] means FUN, [-] means NOT FUN, [+/-] means neutral) HF Ramparts: [+/-] a very short starter dungeon, nothing memorable, nothing bad. Blood Furnace: [-] endless trashing with loud red orcs, only 3 bosses Slave Pens: [-] unfriendly atmosphere... I can't really explain, but I really hated this place. Underbog: [+] huge amount of boring trash between the first and second boss, but at least there are 4 bosses and for one reason or another I enjoyed this dungeon more than most tBC dungeons. Mana Tombs: [+/-] Nothing particularly bad, but I don't like the papermen and the instance is just boring. Auchenai Crypts [+/-] Now this is an ambivalent dungeon. Very repetitive tunnels and only 2 bosses but those 2 bosses are kinda unique and the Bridge of Souls is epic. Old Hillsbrad Foothills [-] It is fun to do once, definitely not fun to do more than once. Sethekk Halls [--] Worst dungeon of whole tBC. Only 2 bosses (unless druid quest), no flavor, no fantasy just boring tunnels and dirty birdmen. Very effortless design. Steam Vault [+/-] Nothing special, but somehow I enjoyed it more than most tBC dungeons. Shadow Labyrith [+] Same boring tunnels as the other Auchindoun dungeons, but there are more bosses which are actually fun, and Murmur is really epic. Shattered Halls [--] Insane amount of trash, very long for only 3 bosses, boring atmosphere. Not fun. The Botanica [+] most bosses of all the tBC dungeons, more diverse environment and bosses then other TK dungeons. Mechanar [-] disgusting pink Barbie world, nothing memorable. Arcatraz [-] same as Mechanar. Millhouse Manastorm brings a little flavor, but that's not enough to redeem this place. Black Morass [-] auto pilot mode. Not fun. Magister's Terrace: [++] Best tBC dungeon. Though still rather short, not as artificial and superficial as the other tBC dungeons. Very good atmosphere. You feel that you are the part of something.

[@theoutlander1411]

Not a bad list, I think the problem is comparing TBC dungeons to Vanilla and the fantasy/rpg vibe. TBC and WOTLK both have a military vibe, like you're storming enemy bases. Vanilla's dungeons are more like entering forbidden areas in search of quest items or loot. Your enemies in TBC and more so in WOTLK are enemies of your faction's mission in those areas and you and the people you group with are entering to kick their dick in. In Vanilla, it's more like you and the people with you are kicking in the entrance of an area closed off from the world to enemies that are pretty scary to accomplish goals. The tone is very different and it's not a standard RPG/Fantasy story in the same way. Vanilla does have its downsides though, as the trade off for that standard rpg/fantasy story are long dungeon grinds for loot that can be necessary or valuable and a pain to optimize if your goal is gearing up for end game raiding. Especially if its from a dungeon you don't like or where you need an item from the first or second boss. It's about priorities I guess, but due to the linear nature of gear progression, it becomes more tedious depending on which phase is out and the need to keep up or get left behind.

[@excelelmira]

Not a fan of Coilfang Reservoir, I see :D

[@VoicyZA]

"Run away, little girl. Run away." - Fun!

[@__-fi6xg]

I liked all of TBC, would have been a better idea to rate them from 1 to 10 imo. And no im not saying that with nostalgia, i genuinely had fun all across TBC, now would i want to play and experience it again? No...life goes on, so do i.

[@bjchez]

Hyjal was very fun if you were an AoE caster with a good paladin tank, or were the paladin tank. Anyone else, regardless of WCIII nostalgia just wanted Billy to stop running through fire or Joe to remember to use his fucking tear of Elune

[@robertm6590]

Ah yes, the Blood Elves magical pool of lemonade.

[@Guanjyn]

Hard disagree on Hyjal and Arcatraz. Also TK is fun but has some of the worst trash in the expansion.

[@Orthane]

I love the Underbog though D:

[@kaelbeuk1]

Don't know is there are stakes at the video being this short, but you could spend more time with each entry, at least highlighting cool bosses or setpieces in the future.

[@Mrpresuntu]

I'd put shattered halls(too simple, its a straight corridor the whole dg) + karazhan(it took my group 3+ hours to clear this crap) in NOT FUN and push BOTANICA to FUN(loved the different types of mobs)

[@Swamprot]

I only disagree with Botanica and Mechanar, but maybe it was the pugs I had lmao

[@dalorasinum386]

Coilfang reservoir clearly not fun.

[@GreetsGaming]

Blood furnace fun?????? I beg to differ. Also every dungeon in the ssc area is fun imo.

[@TheKobasen]

Hyjal summit is just like old hilsbrad, you just do it once/twice and that's it.

[@TheKobasen]

In conclusion, coilfang reservoir is suck. It's even pain in the ass if you're died during the encounter.

[@3lit3gn0m3]

Mana Tombs fun? Healing that place is a bloody nightmare in certain groups. I know Nixxiom is a DK, but I'm surprised how opposite our opinions are so far. D:

[@Drazicist]

No chance you played TBC much if you put Hyjal as fun.

[@avs-]

Hellfire/Mana Tombs/Auchenai/Old BF/Shadow Lab/Shattered Halls/Botanica/Mechanar/Alcatraz/Magister Ter/Gruul's/Magtherid/Kara/Tempest/Hyjal kinda../BT/Sunwell = FUN! rest ew....

[@katieskarlette]

Ugh, Mount Hyjal was definitely not fun for me. Seemingly endless AOE waves that you fight in the same place over and over, followed by seemingly endless AOE waves that make you run all over the place? And if you wipe on the following boss you have to do it all over again? No thanks. WCIII nostalgia can only carry a raid so far.

[@Domaister420]

Oh gosh i wish they would have kept like 2 or 3 TBC realms instead of turning all of them into wrath

[@RageBubbles]

Quick reminder that paying for add-ons is against TOS!

[@Captain.AmericaV1]

Those who wanted it to stay exactly the same, are not happy with how some of the original content is in the classic re release?

[@rattlehead999]

All the raids are fun IMO, but I'd rank them like that: Kara > ZA > Tempest Keep >= BT > Gruul = SSC >= Hyjal > Magtheridon.

[@BIacklce]

you missed Sunwell, the bane of enjoyment

[@rattlehead999]

@@BIacklce I'd put it below BT, equal to Gruul and SSC.

[@franciscoroncero1793]

love the content

[@MethSloth]

love these

[@Broxigar25]

Hyjal was fun.. the 1st time. After the nostalgia wears off, it's just monotonous waves of trash and easy, forgettable bosses (other than Archimonde).

[@AtomicElectronic]

Mount Hyjal was okay the first time around. After the second time I already hated it, though. It's probably Blizzard's worst raid ever.

[@Cryotron93]

I like how this list is completely biased against Coilfang Reservoir. 😅 Not that I disagree, I just think it's funny.

[@JohnDoe-km9vx]

Have to agree...and yet the pesky phoenix never drops :( but i got the blue bird that does not fly :(

[@SSDexter99]

Gruul's Lair= fun. Gruul's as a fire mage= Godlike

[@ColCoal]

>old hillsbarad >fun Nixxiom is high on copium.

[@GreetsGaming]

Also I HATED Sethel. All of the other Auchindoun dungeons are bis tho

[@Azardea]

REALLY can't agree with Old Hillsbrad being fun and Hyjal Summit is the worst raid in the game lol. The earliest Caverns of Time dungeons and raids are all very tedious imo.

[@CheezeSailor]

I will brave the storm and say it. You're subjective measure of slave pens being not fun is highly offensive. I this essay I will argue why Slave Pens deserves fun....

[@josephxp96]

Mt Hyjal is the worst raid ever. I dread going back to farm it for transmog on alts. I wish they had a trash skip option. If the trash was optional after the first run, it would be alot better.

[@mattemattics5667]

Basically: Hellfire Peninsula: fun Zangarmarsh: not fun Terrokar: fun Netherstorm: mostly fun Caverns of time: meh Raids: booyah (except serpentshrine)

[@Hexalon9]

Ain't no way my man's said Mount Hyjal is a fun raid

[@gleadr6869]

Have to respectfully disagree with your Max lvl dungeons, for me all were good.

[@hongkongphooye2576]

Lol, this guy likes Ramp & BF which look and play as interesting as abandoned soviet buildings, but hates Slave Pens & Underbog which are colourful and actually last longer than 10 minutes.

[@loneirregular1280]

Everybody knows that the end boss of ssc25 was the lift / elevator in the very beginning... 😂 Hyjal was nostalgia but it was a terrible raid and i played w3....