Furnace Motor How-To: Genteq X13 Motor Connections

[@tomconner9695]

I thank you for verifying the control values and their operation

[@andreeriner811]

And they are also junk, I’ve replaced these motors usually a couple of years or so old gone bad. That’s why unless it’s under warranty I recommend a regular 3 speed motor with a blower relay instead of the the x 13. Which seems to have a very short life span.

[@roygerson694]

The only ECM motor I had was a 230-volt and all the connections were the same as 115 vac It works fine. Am I going to be OK?

[@RichardKinch]

Prime example of a ruined implementation of a good idea and technology racketeering. The electronics are made in India and notoriously faulty. The electronics are potted and impossible to diagnose or repair on a board level. The proprietary programming nonsense means there are 1000s of secret variations of this motor, none of which are documented or compatible with each other, so repairs and replacements are usually impossible. No right to repair these things, even though it's just a thing to spin a shaft, like we've had since the 19th century. Shame on GE, Genteq, Regal Beloit, and whoever succeeds these businesses that take turns going bankrupt with this abuse of engineering.

[@DoctorFixMaster]

HELL yes! I just had an X13 go out in my house. The first guy quoted me $1700 to fix it. I settled on a $970 quote, but kept the old motor (still perfectly good - the control module went out) to keep as a spare. I opened it up to diagnose and repair it and the circuitry was buried in a half inch of stiff rubber epoxy or foam, making any kind of diagnosis or repair impossible. I am FED UP with companies preventing people from fixing things, or rendering hardware useless with software updates and other similar profit generating BULLSHIT that sends perfectly good equipment to the landfill and obligates people to keep buying new while we bury ourselves in our own garbage. This behavior has got to stop. It is an ecological and moral catastrophe to allow this corporate extortion to continue.

[@RichardKinch]

@@DoctorFixMaster Meanwhile the Genteq "Evergreen" new replacement motors that are user programmable to fit any old X13 application are only $140 for 1/2 HP.

[@DoctorFixMaster]

@@RichardKinch Did they turn over a new leaf with the 'Evergreen' motors, or is it just the same junk different day? I haven't looked into those, but the price sounds much more reasonable. That said, they don't get to call anything 'Evergreen' unless it is serviceable and maintainable by me.

[@RichardKinch]

@@DoctorFixMaster They are identical to the X13s, same motor body and module, just in an off-the-shelf field-programmable version. So for $140 you can replace an X13 without having to spend $800 for the racket pricing of the same motor from Carrier, Trane, etc., with a secret programmed torque value. The "Evergreen" is still a potted circuit board but for the price it's not worth a repair because you can just swap out the controller end from an Evergreen into an X13 of the same horsepower. There's an outfit in Florida unitedhvacmotors.com/ that collects failed X13s and refurbs them; they charge $200+ for a used motor but I found that they failed again within months and the short warranty term isn't honored.

[@DoctorFixMaster]

@@RichardKinch Good to know. Thanks!

[@GotchaplumberGotchahvac]

Do u have any other wiring sources for ECM motors? Thank u.

[@luismiguel4156]

Can I lower the speed of this motor?

[@LittleMopeHead]

I have the same question. I have only pink, white, and green wires on tap 5, 4, and 3 respectively. Did you get this figured out?

[@jasonr6957]

Buyer beware, I'm on my third ECM in 15 years. A better video to watch is how to convert to ECM to PSC motor for a small fraction of the cost.

[@DoctorFixMaster]

All Regal Beloit ECM modules are entombed inside in a half inch of stiff rubber epoxy, making repairs impossible. Run these corporate polluters and extortioners out of town by refusing to buy their ****. Research alternatives and support ethical practices and right to repair.

[@roquecortesobando8379]

Saludos. Desde mi país Costa Rica... Sería bueno lo publicarán en Español..

[@DIYDaveT]

Seria mejor aprender el ingles.

[@joea2274]

What if you put 24 volts to a wire that is not programed to do anything

[@drg424]

Junk , not reliable , absolutely evidently no thought process went into reliability of these motors, I've heard all the arguments on x13 and yes they do have a purpose as being versitol and energy saving ,but the reliability sucks, and don't give me the argument that ,oh the duct wasn't right, granted 80 % of duct jobs aren't correct but the old psc is more forgiving when some dummy has incorrectly sized the duct. So all the gains of the x13 is deminished when you have multiple failures all over the world in a very short time.weve all seen it and we all wish they get their act together on reliability, as for the class this tec is informative and did a good job , my rant ,and I'm not alone , is the failure of the x13 to refuse to solve the reliability issue.

[@avguytx4361]

Piece. Of. Crap. Our Rheem motor made it 5 years exactly and now it powers on by itself, might shut off in a short time, might not, or might turn off when it's done calling for AC, or it might try to run for another hour or more and raise humidity. This even with the thermostat wires disconnected.

[@victorpeguero5506]

Oh I forgot ther are expensive too some costs between $800 to $1500 these pieces of crap

[@JoseVazquez-ye9xq]

Won't do anything

[@victorpeguero5506]

These motor are junk you can't even repair it they make full of cilicone so you can't change a simple capacitor or anything in the module junk junk don't last I had replace twice within a year wherever I go I have to swap it with the psc better