Future Dutch Submarine: Saab C71 Submarine (based on A26)

[@bermanmo6237]

The Dutch partner they are talking about is Damen, the Dutch shipyard where the Dutch Navy ships are built including the Walrus class submarines.

[@benktlofgren4710]

Seems like a good match for both the Dutch and SAAB, colabs like this are one of Saab's many strengths.

[@bermanmo6237]

Saab owns Kockums, which has a lot of experience with building submarines for the Swedish Navy. Since Sweden is looking for a corvette, perhaps Damen can offer one of the Damen design to them.

[@NicoSteentjes]

Nope... Walrus was built in Rotterdam by RDM. That company went bankrupt in the 1990's. So no, Damen has nothing to do with building the Walrus class submarines. And even if so, the technology would be outdated. the C71 is Swedish, not Dutch. The latter is only for marketting purposes.

[@Prometheus4096]

Damen didn't build the Walrus class. That company went broke in 1996 because the Dutch canceled additional subs and no one in the world also wanted the Walrus. Too big and too expensive for a brown water attack sub role.

[@Prometheus4096]

@@bermanmo6237 They have very little experience because the last sub Kochums docks build was in 1998. Since then, no one wanted their subs. They are resurrection it now because the Swedes need subs and the Swedes try to remain strategic independence as they didn't want to be neutral and not help out Europe even against someone as evil as Hitler.

[@Lobolobo360]

Brasil precisa desses submarinos em nossas frotas marítimas nos ajude Saab ❤

[@whitebeauty759]

Dutch Submarines are Top notch !!

[@ms-lazuli7435]

As always, it depends on how you want to use it. Saab Kockums, ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Naval Group do not offer the same submarine. Beyond the price (which counts a lot of course) you have to look at the employment, the training, the construction, the maintenance, and everything that goes with it. We should know their choice in a while. I can't wait to find out!

[@NATObait]

The Japanese submarines are also, on paper, formidable, Australia thought about buying but Japan have no track record in collaboration so perhaps that rules them out. But definitely the latest submarines are every bit as good as any.

[@jeriksson7686]

But SAAB is swedish 🙂

[@NATObait]

@@jeriksson7686 I know Kockums are Swedish, my point is the choice is German, Swedish or French . But the Soryu Class is also an interesting and pioneering new conventional type submarine too. Definitely all bring strengths and whichever is the choice it will be excellent.

[@alannewman85]

@@NATObait So why not a British one? Or are they even offering an export version?

[@petter5721]

Swedish and Dutch cooperation 😀👍🏻

[@benktlofgren4710]

Looking at Nordstream, and that Russia probably messed with seafloor data cables that link Finlant and Balticum and also Sweden and Balticum that front hatch seems useful to repair critical infrastructure during conflict.

[@NATObait]

" World Class Sonars from the UK " ...3 :00.

[@garryjohnson930]

This is probably the key point. The Dutch like British sonar systems, Dutch fire-control systems (though they'll probably go with SAAB's systems here) and US submarine weapons: Mk48 and sub-Harpoon. Neither weapon nor systems have been integrated on the French or German designs.

[@starbase218]

Wondering why unloading vehicles for seabed operations reminds me of Thunderbirds.

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

navies around the world could do with a larger variant of the A26 class of next generation submarines . . . a fleet of 12 brand new A26 class 6,893 ton (8,260 ton loaded) stealth guided missile fast attack submarine powered by cutting edge iSMARTFuelCell® HYBRId™ e-AIP system . . . featuring a super tough thick double hull & modular design architecture incorporating both active & passive stealth . . . armed with a 10-cell VLS and boasting an arsenal of RBS-15 Mk3 infrared guided anti-ship missile & RGM-109E Tomahawk (Block IV) inertial guided land attack cruise missile . . . not to mention next generation guided torpedos . . .

[@NATObait]

Is this affordable? Nederland have a habit of finding value and ability not blowing the budget.

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

@@NATObait yes, it's affordable €2.0 Bn for 5 units with maintenance & after sales support for 12 years . . . private sector equity participation in defense projects can make such acquisitions for the Royal Netherlands Navy possible without having to blow the defense budget . . .

[@bermanmo6237]

The Swedish A26 has a proposed export version that comes with VLS large tubes for missiles like Tomahawks.

[@Prometheus4096]

@@bermanmo6237 How many A26's with VLS have been built so far?

[@teddy2738]

La variante ER del A-26 es la " ideal " para la ACH ... 😲 seria un gran competidor contra el Scorpene 2000 AM !!

[@ms-lazuli7435]

Three shipyards on the starting block to create the underwater weapon.

[@dragononwall8733]

No fool. (Sweden) Kockums (now SAAB) has build subs since the 1950's.

[@Legion-xq8eo]

@@dragononwall8733 yup Saab pulled a power move with the takeover there!! Smart ass move imo

[@edkrach8891]

Sell the Walrus class to Taiwan. They would serve Taiwan well untin their indigenously built subs enter service.

[@alannewman85]

The Dutch already had their knuckles wrapped by China for something similar like that...?

[@edkrach8891]

@@alannewman85 Everyone's too afraid is pissing off China. I say they should stay out of another country's business.

[@bermanmo6237]

Ironically, the 2 of their 4 submarines are ex Dutch Navy submarines

[@Prometheus4096]

Taiwan already has brand new subs thanks to the Japanese and what they learned from the Zwaardvin. Why would they buy the old Walrus when the Dutch are ditching them because their pressure hulls are literally safety hazards because of age? Taiwan tried to buy Walrus probably before you were born but that failed for reasons.

[@deanhankio6304]

L'hélice à l'air classique sans aucun système anti-cavitation

[@NATObait]

This propulsion system ( Shrouded Pumpjet ) was first trialed on a Swiftsure class submarine before being used on the Trafalgar Class it has been adopted by many nations on their submarines since. The problem is weight so not as easy to justify on smaller vessels and also if you intend to only move at low speed like a ballistic sub then it has no benefit. Obviously it is more expensive than a Screwback Propeller too.

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Hello CANADA this is what you need, please don't do the usual procurement practice of adding & changing SO much that it becomes a turkey.

[@petergrandien1440]

The last requirement I heard is that the Canadian submarines needs to be able to catch king-Crabs and have foldable baden-baden sunchairs on the hull in order to include more female seamen

[@abrahamdozer6273]

The very worst thing of all things that Canada does is military procurement. It's a gong show each and everytime. It would be a good replacement for the Victoria Class boats, though. The Dutch even use the same Mark 48 Heavy Torpedo as the Canadians so they can skip that part of the re-design.

[@malachi8446]

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[@marcusfranconium3392]

This is the one that is already chosen . the rest are formalities .

[@NATObait]

Go and stick a bet on it while the odds are good!