FUTURE Motor Has ARRIVED!? - Vernier Hybrid Machine

Motor was designed and revealed by Mocean Energy and Fountain Design.
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[@tomrodinger5402]

I agree with one of the comments below. This is a stepper motor. The type with 3 wires instead of 4. I happen to have one of these stepper motors (Nema 17 size). It can be driven with a normal 3 phase ESC (electronic speed controller). It also generates power when rotated.

[@YodaWhat]

It is also 'reinventing' the early 'pancake' motors/generators from Tesla/Westinghouse, but this time with permanent magnets. However, those old motors had an advantage when starting under heavy load, because simply shorting across the slip rings of the wound rotor turned them into _induction motors._

[@ag135i]

Nothing is complex if one has the money, time, resources and dedication for doing so.

[@glike2]

Use this tech to make 100 year wind turbines to bring down electricity cost. No gearbox is a big maintenance advantage.

[@thethoughtfield]

be careful to not confuse between motor and generator although some may work as both.

[@erosion01]

usually all of them do unless they are induction and dont have controllers capable of keeping the rotor excited.

[@gabelyon1071]

Are there any 3 phase motors that aren't capable of regeneration? Not that I know of, but I'm sure there could be something weird out there.

[@erosion01]

@@gabelyon1071 The most notable for me used to be induction but I think only recently someone I think tesla figured out how to use them for regen. I forget what exactly they do but I think induction was the example motor that couldnt be used because the rotor had no way to be individually excited.

[@gabelyon1071]

@@erosion01 induction motors have been used in regenerating applications for decades. I've specified them myself - are you talking about Nikola Tesla or Tesla the car company?

[@erosion01]

@@gabelyon1071 The car company, theres advantages to using induction motors in EV's because the coasting resistance can be zero but it used to be the case that you couldnt regenerate with them because the rotor doesnt have any magnetics when being spun. But I think somehow they managed to be able to excite the squirrelcage to excite it but have it create regenerative currents.

[@ThatOpalGuy]

Today I learned something.

[@BenRasmussen-c3u]

sounds interesting, I would have study it more. But sounds very promising.

[@bpark10001]

This design looks identical to that used in hybrid stepper motors. The problem with the design is the high magnetic leakage. This is a problem in any motor (& generator) with reluctor because "magnetic insulator" does not exist. Its ability to generate/accept high torque is way lower than mechanical contract (gearbox). NOTHING NEW. It would have to be 5x bigger & heavier than gearbox. All magnetic machines suffer from speed scaling problem. The power they can handle is proportional to speed squared. This is why the majority of motors (& generators) are designed to operate at high-speed. If the load/prime mover can move fast, then direct coupling is possible. But for many applications, that can't happen, so this is why there are so many gearboxes on motors & generators.

[@doriamvell5386]

It could be useful for robot and mech actuators (Knees, hips, elbows, shoulders, feet)

[@harold2718]

May be useful for electric bicycles too, normally we use 3-phase BLDCs for that but it's a low-rpm high-torque (not that high, but high relative to the power level) application

[@ONEYEDPiRAT]

Thank you for being a live person and greeting us!

[@hellomcflyy]

I'd like to see something you can easily attach to trees and capture all the energy when it's windy.....

[@Tech_Planet]

Something like a pole-shaped bladeless wind turbine? I think they can make around 100w at 3m, so that might be a good idea.

[@madtscientist8853]

If we just put a coil and capacitor In series And we use a Pulse Width modulator To control it We wouldn't need : Gear boxes fly wheels Wind Turbines Hydro turbines The computer would regulate its torque

[@madtscientist8853]

It is the VERY thing I'm working on now. A (Resonant NIKOLA TESLA COIL/ MOTOR GENERATOR). LOL Say that 10X fast

[@Tech_Planet]

@@madtscientist8853 Well, if you want I can host it here and talk to you about it.

[@mrhassell]

The wave of future motors, has begun!

[@steve12622]

So its basicly a really fat stepper-motor?

[@rasmusmeng2363]

Will keep and eye out if Siemens or vestas gonna test it in my local windmill testcenter "østerild" maybe in the new models comming in a year or so..

[@nonlinearplasma]

Not likely with Vestas, they will be expecting the turbine in the test centre to be around for 10 years or so, although one would expect an uprated output in that time but they won't go direct drive. The cost of the Permanent magnets would be simple to high to justify over a faster turning generator with a gearbox.

[@jjggbbjunk]

As others have noted, this is quite similar to hybrid stepper motors, but scaled up and three-phase. I don't see this type of motor being adopted in wind applications soon, if ever. Type 3 and type 4 machines already accommodate variable rotor speed (though a gearbox is still required), the technology is pretty mature, and the industry has become comfortable with them. I guess It ultimately comes down to overall cost of ownership. Mounting all those magnets on the pole pieces seems pretty costly. There was no information on power density, but it seems unlikely to be great. On the other hand, eliminating the gearbox is a nice reduction in capital and maintenance costs. If those stator pole pieces can be made removable, that would also be a nice maintenance advantage, since fixing a winding problem would not require dismounting the entire motor. If they can figure out how to replace the rotor bearing without having to dismount the motor, that would also be a nice maintenance feature. From my time with GE, bearing failures were by far the most common failure mode, followed by winding failures. Frankly, there isn't much else that can go wrong with a motor. I guess there is at least the potential for these machines to have a cost advantage.

[@kinngrimm]

I am no engineer so exuse my lack of understanding, but isn't this a similar or even same effect as of rail guns or magnetic railway systems, just mmm without and end where the moving projectile then is released from?

[@m-erko]

Sorry, I know this is serious, but I thought I was listening to the Turbo Encabulator demonstration for a moment there

[@jobautomation]

Great video and great channel! Liked and subscribed!

[@Tech_Planet]

Thanks for the sub!

[@costrio]

I like the concept and it has a "niche" potential, as you say, but what do I know? signed Screwloose LowTech. ;-)

[@gabelyon1071]

How is this different than the Siemens 1FW3 torque motor? High pole count 3 phase motor excellent at low speed high torque applications. They're still expensive compared to standard 3 phase motor + gearbox. Isnt this design already well known in machine design as high pole torque motors?

[@Mentaculus42]

So “kinda” a stepping motor but on a larger scale ? Did you explain “precisely” how it works as a “generator” vs motor ‽

[@Clark-Mills]

Agreed but a three-phase one rather than two... But I instantly saw the stepper construction too.

[@Mentaculus42]

@@Clark-Mills That is why I asked about the “generator principles”. I would have to have more information to understand how it works, but it is probably obvious.

[@Tech_Planet]

That's right, it has the same torque drop-off at higher speeds. I should have explained more about generator vs motor.

[@Engineer_Stepanov]

Is switched reluctance motor?

[@pseudonymity0000]

Title: "FUTURE Motor Has ARRIVED!? - Vernier Hybrid Machine" ... What am I missing here, that just looks like a stepper motor.

[@brandonhicks7549]

Seems like a 3phase stepper motor

[@barrywilliams991]

Wait, why would wind turbines and wave generators need electric motors?

[@douggolde7582]

You jump the pole count up on any motor type.

[@DanielaValeriaMariadaConceicao]

Could be used in elevator in sky creaper? Is it generatig high temperature when wirking

[@allon33]

Different design to the 3 phase motors of today, yet to the uneducated peasant both motors would look the same. 🙂 Like a Rotary motor is different to a Piston motor, yet they both work.

[@jinchoung]

i like magnets.

[@Personnenenparle]

Thats pretty much a stepper motor....

[@madkism]

Dude VHMs can suffer from significant leakage flux, they are also unreliable

[@justinanderson267]

I nearly deleted this subscription. I thought this was one of those robot channels

[@AlexanderMacNabb]

Could this "motor" be used as a generator in tidal power?

[@Crypto_Squid]

I made something like this with my old washing machine parts

[@anoirbentanfous]

Excellent channel, and it is a great addition to the Sci-Tech KZbin pretty interesting community… I wish to see more videos, and please go into details a bit further and keep a simplified version for shorts (that you can just cut from the longer version obviously) I guess AI can help you a lot, so take max advantage of it... I think Motors is an excellent niche and more people need to know a lot more on the subject without having to detain an engineering degree. Innovations will be more fascinating when more people get interested in something and try to come up with solutions that further the field and improve the lives of billions of people by making things more economically viable, affordable or by enhancing the performance of what we already have or maybe just coming up with even more interesting approaches to solve them that we should only be able to tap on when many human brains put themselves at work. Kudos to all innovators, inventors and fascinating and good people in this world. You are the only one worthy of love and deeper respect!

[@PaulG.x]

Wow! They invented a big stepper motor Meh

[@gsestream]

brushless dc motors generators instead

[@Mentaculus42]

The funny thing about DC motors and generators is that they are actually AC (and that goes for the brushless versions also).

[@gsestream]

@@Mentaculus42 no I dont mean pulse motors, I mean dc emf motors, actually. ie lorentz-hall motors. no I dont mean bldc pulse solenoid motors. yep I mean homopolar non-ac motors.

[@gsestream]

@@Mentaculus42 I mean railgun propulsion type dc motors. or plasma thrusters.

[@baraBober]

first

[@ciucinciu]

nah wind turbines and wave generators are pathetic, put that on the turbines of nuclear power plants,

[@davidtotten3042]

Yah, why should we pay .08 a kilowatt hour for wind when we can pay .60 for nuclear?

[@petergerdes1094]

It's efficient at low speeds while nuclear turbines are most efficient at very high speeds. I guess you can always gear up or down but I'm skeptical this is more efficient or if it could even handle the power.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

​@@davidtotten3042Hah. Got em. Seriously, I want nuclear to work yet the reality is that it gets more expensive while wind and solar are getting cheaper. Hell even geothermal might be possible anywhere for a lower cost than nuclear. That is baseline power. If the people developing pervoskite cells for solar are correct, and they can fix the longevity problem? Solar cost will dramatically drop due to the fact you can manufacture them easier simply by printing it on a medium.

[@leroyessel2010]

The @EirexTech for energetic cavitation of any type of water or contaminated waste plastic for the lowest cost hydrogen and synthetic fuels worth exploring.

[@ToviyYah7]

Can I message you privately somewhere?