The PROBLEM with Cruise Ships

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Cruise ships have had a bit of a rough time in the news over the years. From the literal Titanic, to public outrage over their existence anywhere, to pandemic disasters, to the 9 month cruise disasters that went viral earlier this year, these floating cities are a contentious way to travel. And yet their popularity is booming... we're here to figure out why.
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[@FutureProofTV]

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[@PublicServiceForTruth]

You know the difference between a voluntary contract and involuntary servitude like taxation? 😅 You call voluntary arragngents exploitation and involuntary servitude freedom, thats what authoritarianism has done to your psyche.....Oh, i'm so sorry your town gets hundreds of millions from the cruiships 😢 i wish It was my town instead, you can come to my ghost town whenever you want by the way, and i go there, youll see how awful cruiships are then

[@ropro9817]

Now I have even more reasons to never want to go on a cruise. 🙇

[@MR101722]

@@PublicServiceForTruth Hey man, half truths and total omission of other facts makes the video more sensationalized and that makes the algorithm go round. I'm sure if ground news included videos on their app this would be slotted into the less factual section.

[@n3wt]

U should have a Netflix show…Good narration . Voice … and infographics with condensed knowledge

[@PublicServiceForTruth]

@@MR101722 Pls remind me the other facts, poop on the wáter which all marine life does and arguably contributes to the biologic cycle and bogus climate change nonsense, i'm so tired of the agenda 2030 self loathing human depopulation brainwash, we are as much part of this world as all other lifeforms, meanwile they biggest yatchs are owned by the ritch people spreading this nonsense that benefit from you saying on their plsntations playing taxes

[@NaenaeGaming]

Note: The Titanic was not a cruse ship but an ocean liner, more akin to today’s airliners by being a form of transport rather than for leisure.

[@stellviahohenheim]

Shut up

[@jmal]

That makes cruise ships look worse by comparison since they serve no other practical purpose besides luxury and entertainment.

[@natehill8069]

@@jmal Ed Zachary

[@steinwaldmadchen]

The modern equivlant is "cruiseferries" I guess? They took trucks together with passengers while connecting communities. Hurtigurten is still the vital link for Norwegian towns that have minimal road accesses.

[@Leonard_MT]

​@@jmalYes, that is litterly the only reason why they exist today. If you want to go anywhere far you take a train or plane.

[@andreasjensen8451]

I have a friend in Norway who works on cruise ships. He is an electrician. He says every job responsible for the ships running or safety of passengers are from western countries with educations. But every other of the 2,5k crew are mostly from the Philippines and work with shitty conditions

[@brucemsabin]

And those people take the jobs voluntarily because the jobs represent the best opportunities they have. Take away the cruise jobs and they go down to their second next opportunities.

[@Patrice11300]

Yes, 100%. We chatted with our waiters and cabin stewards and they were mostly Filipino and Indonesian. They worked CONSTANTLY. All day, everyday for months at a time. They rarely had time off to go home to see their families. I felt so bad for them. They were like indentured servants.

[@rudiausbuddeln]

Shitty conditions by our standards, not shitty by philippines standards.

[@firefox3249]

​@@rudiausbuddelnYes, and also AMAZING condition compared to ancient Roman slaves. What is your point exactly? 🤨

[@Antenox]

@@brucemsabin As someone from the Philippines, I can guarantee that if they work on cruise ships, those are not their "best opportunities." Those jobs are hospitality jobs, which are service jobs that require a fair amount of training and refinement. You can't just pluck a random impoverished provincial from the countryside and expect them to do the job effectively. In the Philippines, those people would already be fairly well educated (by global standards, not Western standards) and on the cusp of the domestic middle class. It's just that the Philippines has a culture of sending people overseas to work, and so it's simply assumed that working abroad is better than working domestically. But that is changing pretty quickly (see Economics Explained's video on the Philippines), and domestic opportunities are rising rapidly. In short, cruise ship workers from the Philippines are likely being exploited.

[@angelar3045]

The Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship. Travellers used to use ships to get from Europe to the US as there was no commerical flight.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

Technically true, but no doubt modern cruising industries were shaped by those ship lines and it's hard to separate them all. A few cruise lines nowadays are either surviving ship lines, or established themselves by acquiring oceanliners from defunct ship lines. In fact, oceanliner crossings are still run by Cunard's Queen Mary 2 almost year-round, but I doubt most passengers and the corporate see her much more than a glorified cruise ship.

[@SharnLugonn]

@@steinwaldmadchen I actually used Queen Mary 2 to get to the USA and back when I went there for vacation. Compared to air travel it was 100x better.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

@@SharnLugonn Of course QM2 crossing is still a thing, and I enjoyed that as well. But you'd probably know since QM2 and her predecessor, Queen Elizabeth 2, are designed with much higher mix of cruise passengers in mind than older oceanliners. That's the new reality, and Cunard is merely adapting to it unfortunately.

[@jaygallardo5252]

I am disabled and when I travel, I have to use a wheelchair. Cruise ships are a nice way for me and my family to travel because of all accommodations that are available. We avoid the upsells just like we do everywhere else (Disneyland, concerts, the grocery store) and travel with purpose. As nice as it might be for others to travel in other ways, those kinds adventures are just not designed for someone like me.

[@FutureProofTV]

This is definitely an important perspective, thank you for sharing!

[@Yo_DynamoJoe]

I saw a clip of a stand-up comic recently who went on his first cruise. His impression was, "Going on a cruise was like going to prison... If the prison was inside an Applebee's." 😂😂😂

[@FutureProofTV]

that's such a good quote hahaha

[@tobybartlett]

😂 That’s exactly how cruise ships seem to me! LOL

[@AVdE10000]

When visiting Copenhagen for a few days, I remember walking through a very nice, quiet park where one bench had the message "Tourists are vermin" sketched into it. I was a bit sad someone would think that way... Until 30 minutes or so later this little quiet area was absolutely SWARMED by a crowd coming from a cruise ship. It was complete chaos and utter hell and I couldn't imagine what it would be like having to experience that on a daily basis

[@RayDrawzDragonz]

Unrealated but I love how you typed this. They way you introduce the story and the imagery with the conclusion. I hope your a writer because your writing is amazing,

[@AVdE10000]

@@RayDrawzDragonz that's a very nice compliment, thank you :) not a writer, but I like scribbling ideas for KZbin videos in my head, with bits of setup and payoff. Might do something with it, as I enjoy the thought process

[@sodotta]

@@RayDrawzDragonz agreed

[@Ladygrev]

The one thing I will say in support of cruises is that they (or certain cruise lines) are the best way for my disabled mother to travel reliably. They do a lot of work to make areas of the ship accessible, and to mark out which excursions are accessible and which aren't, and as long as she books through the cruise itself, she knows she won't get left behind. I personally don't love cruising, but I can see why she does, since it reduces the amount of effort she has to put into travel by a LOT.

[@ThatGuy-uv2br]

This is a big reason. Even down to things like food allergies / food restrictions, where you know that you can have delicious food on vacation without being worried about possible issues.

[@FutureProofTV]

this is such an interesting perspective, no wonder she enjoys them! thanks for sharing

[@AhhhSukeSuke]

But cruises aren't travelling....

[@TheVaporEyes]

No, cruises are a resort vacation, not a travel vacation. Frankly, if you go on cruises, you've likely seen the ports before and you aren't going for them. You are going for a easy place to relax and eat well, and have plenty and various activities both on ship and on land, and to be pampered. But rarely to see new places, unless you can afford one of the small luxury or expedition lines.

[@littleeva]

Very true. A lot of people wouldn't go anywhere if it weren't for cruise ships. What about elderly people, or disabled people? Is this post suggesting that they shouldn't travel at all?

[@brucemsabin]

Sending this video to your family who like cruising won’t burn any bridges because I can’t imagine anyone who’s ever been on a cruise being swayed by this video.

[@denishenea2996]

I love these videos; it’s evident that they’re made with care and passion. It would be amazing to see a video about something good. Something great that’s happening in our world, weather it’s awesome or nostalgic. The trend has become to only report on the bad, and the ugly, on the stressful and scary. Thank you

[@Neddoest]

Agreed. I wish channels would just in general make an effort to put out at least some positive content on a regular basis.

[@denishenea2996]

@@Neddoest I suppose the goal of the channel is to present the challenges which need addressing to #futureproof ourselves, but an update on our progress (which is probably negative) would also be interesting and helpful.

[@elone3997]

Yup, it would be nice as a balance, as opposed to always focusing on the dystopian hellscape that we live in..To be fair though, the actual news channels are exactly the same..

[@koutanot]

Yea I made a similar comment. Everything is a problem to this guy

[@MononokeLynn]

My husband refuses to do cruises because he used to hve to deal with patients who had come back from cruises with viral infections. One of those I witnessed when I was visiting him at work - patient was screaming “It hurts” and was constantly vomiting. When he got home all he had to say was “That is why you will never get me on a cruise ship”. And honestly, the idea of being trapped with so many people on the water…just makes me anxious thinking about all the what-ifs on things going wrong.

[@trainsplanesandotherthings5187]

I've been cruising for over 20 years, been to Alaska,Cuba, Canada, Mexico, everywhere ... No issues.. Even right after covid .... Stay in your cocoon of fear !

[@Mowntandewey]

After spending more than 20 years in the US Navy, you couldn't pay me to step on a cruise ship.

[@pimpcatdaddy]

My fiancé be like

[@cosmickoffee]

You sound like my dad. "I spent 20 years in the fuckin Navy, why the fuck would I wanna get on another ship."

[@HrHaakon]

Why would I? The Navy sure didn't!

[@lynnewilliams542]

Don't forget - private islands means all of the money spent stays with the cruise line. It is easy for them to upsell with water sports. I find it easy to just say No, and sit on the beach

[@khazzykhaz]

You can have a blast on a cruise ship without spending an extra dollar on board. I have done it many times

[@Immudzen]

There is one cruise I am interested in. There is one that goes up the coast of Norway. It doesn't have a pool, casinos, shopping maul, etc. It does apparently have a library on board. They are electric and recharge when they dock. They also don't dump waste in the water. They are supposed to be amazing for seeing the northern lights in the winter. Apparently they are also mail ships and a form of mass transit for the coastal towns.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

Hurtigurten is also what I'm looking into. Also they hire local people and source from local. But they do have a hot tub or sth iirc.

[@trainsplanesandotherthings5187]

All modern cruise ships have state of the art waste management , from recycling, brown & grey water , food waste that is grinded up and feed to the sea creatures. No longer do they dump harmful waste into the ocean... that was decades ago..

[@davidardill4309]

I just went on a Princess Alaska cruise, and it was really amazing and definitely worth the money in my opinion. Also, it was really great how open they were about environmental issues and how they were aiming throughout the ship ways to lower that in the carbon emissions, (there were like pamphlets and videos about it) etc…

[@pjperdue1293]

My boss and his wife went on an Alaskan cruise in early spring but it was a very small, really old ship with not many passengers, amazing service, and the ship was very environmentally aware like yours. Too bad all cruise ships aren't like that.

[@magnetpull7587]

And what are they aiming to do when vs what are they doing now?

[@steinwaldmadchen]

@@magnetpull7587 Princess is still horrible according to the Friends of Earth, but among the better ones. Also Alaskan bound ship tends to be slightly cleaner and subject to strictier regulations than say, Carribean.

[@matthemming9105]

That hawk sound effect freaked me out, because I was listening with headphones on a balcony where I regularly see and hear red-tailed hawks. And yes, it is a hawk sound effect, not an eagle, because Eagle's don't sound as cool, so movies and TV shows use hawk cries instead 😂

[@FutureProofTV]

sorry for making you feel like you were under attack by winged predators 😭😭

[@KlearlyIMme]

When I first heard about that it reminded me of the pre serum Chris evens in Captain America. They used a skinny guy and edited Chris’s head on

[@tia-light]

YES! There are disabled American Bald Eagles at my local zoo (they - the zookeepers - are allowed to care for them because they - the eagles - cannot take care of themselves) and they make this weird, clipped, chirp-y sound. Nothing like the red-tailed hawk sound that everyone thinks eagles make. But they are a so pretty and HUGE! (and they eat a lot of mice, the eagles not the zookeepers ☺🦅)

[@richdobbs6595]

The real shame is so many of the other options for vacation end up being so expensive.

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

Cruises are also extremely expensive! That's the main reason I've never been on one.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

Not really, you can save a lot if you want to plan significantly in advance and do a lot of research. Cruise ships are a complete package with a lot of things being overpriced, so not much room to do that.

[@ummmbye1228]

@@MatthewTheWanderernot really

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

@@ummmbye1228 They are certainly not cheap!

[@ummmbye1228]

@@MatthewTheWanderer they can be

[@lawrenrich-nf3ni]

Apparently people die on cruise ships all the time. It’s not a unique event. Considering high number of all the older retired people, it’s quite common.

[@daytrippera]

Not only that is a common thing, but big cruiseships have morgues for obvious reasons.

[@dakunssd]

Yeah, it usually only becomes newsworthy if the crew mishandle the body by, say, stuffing it into a beverage fridge instead of the morgue. Or when a journalist decides to shine a light on the amount of passenger overboard incidents they have (a lot).

[@bhartley1024]

Ambulances at the cruise port is a weekly occurrence here.

[@SharnLugonn]

I've been on a "cruise" twice in my life. In 2017 I used a ship (Queen Mary 2) to travel to the US from Europe and back. That was an amazing way to travel and I just wish there were regular ocean liner services across the Atlantic. No jet lag, very relaxing atmosphere, just reading books, sitting in clubs drinking sherry and eating pretty good food at the restaurants. After a 7-day voyage I was refreshed and ready for my month-long road trip across America. On the other hand, I am not sure I would want to spend the week (or more) just hopping from port to port a few miles apart going nowhere.

[@Spucky50]

The QM2 is the antithesis if a Carnival cruise. I'm hoping to make the crossing to England next year. I'm 74 and been dreaming of it since I was a child.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

@@Spucky50 Interestingly Carnival now owns Cunard, while their CEO and chief engineer were heavily involved in QM2's construction.

[@akiko009]

You don't do cruises for the same reason you don't go to Vegas casinos. And in the casinos you can still escape reasonably, while on the ships you can't.

[@smarmar400]

I've been to Vegas twice, and also to dubai. Both places are disgusting cesspools that cater to the over-indulgent sloths of society.

[@vitaminalm]

It's a hell of a lot cheaper than Disneyland these days

[@Farquad76.547]

Why do people keep brining up Disneyland on this video? Is that where people go on vacation? What about going to Spain, Tenerife, Maldives they are actual vacation spots not bloody Disneyland 🤣

[@SlavaUkraini85]

@@Farquad76.547Americans do. They spend 10k on a week in Disneyland and call it vacation, seriously

[@Michael-mm2zm]

does anyone remember the poop cruise from hell?😂

[@FutureProofTV]

oh god 🤢🤢

[@Scorpiosting_1029]

I watched a video about that on another channel. Don't make me barf up my lunch. 🤮🤮

[@marieseaman7855]

Considering how common norovirus is on cruise ships, I guess every cruise has the potential to be a poop cruise

[@bloodycrepe]

​@@marieseaman7855you obviously didn't understand the reference

[@hemidas]

Dantavius did a video on that.

[@theblackwithin3457]

for me personally, being on a cruise would be the worst way to spend my vacation. it's basically being sea-sick in a hotel, stuffed full of people, with no accessible nature around, and most likely waaaay to warm. and you can't even go somewhere else.

[@digdougx]

The inside of the ship is usually a bit chilly and you visit new ports almost every day.

[@dchenkin02]

How is that different from a vacation at Disney World or a private resort on a dangerous Caribbean Island? You have plenty of choice where to cruise if you want to go where it is cool; the second most popular cruise destination is actually coastal Alaska.

[@Farquad76.547]

@@dchenkin02bro why are you defending going on a cruise lmao

[@digdougx]

@@Farquad76.547 bro why are you so angry that people like something you dont? lmao

[@Farquad76.547]

@@digdougx different strokes for different folks brother

[@michaelb2westgaedu]

We just did an Alaskan cruise, our first. And many times we said "the house always wins" in response to the foolishness of cruising that permeated the experience. They even go as far as create logistical nightmares for getting off and on the ship just so you can spend $ at their private port (Ward Cove) rather than in the local economy. The ONLY thing I really enjoyed was the excursions (two hikes, a walking tour of BC, and a smaller vessel spotting sea otters and whales) and the snippets of the little towns when we got off the beaten path. Sitka was a real highlight.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

But I guess it's the only practical way of travel at the moment? There are some community not accessible by road, while some sections of the Alaskan Marine Highway System has been suspended due to staff and funding issues, so Anchorage to Bellingham is no longer possible. Also living in Asia, it sounds ridiculous to fly to Vancouver or Seattle only to backtrack.

[@Timbeon]

I live on the Great Lakes, and it's probably not a coincidence that the cruises operating here seem to operate better than ocean cruises, since the nature of the lakes and waterways connecting them limits ship size, and they're entirely within the borders of the US and Canada so there's no international waters loopholes. Not saying they're a good thing necessarily since they still have plenty of issues, but if you just want to relax on a big boat for a few days, that might be a less bad option. (Anecdotally, they also seem to cater more to European and Asian customers, which is an interesting outlier for the cruise industry.)

[@inkyocto4548]

my grandparents went on one of those small cruises to alaska like the one you showed at the end of the video and they said it was literally the best cruise they’ve ever been on

[@elone3997]

It really is a genuis business model. Take a butt tonne of people somewhere they can't escape from and imprison them in a cozy space that's a potential gold mine for further sales because there is nothing else to do.

[@digdougx]

There is a shitload to do that is included. Some lines like Norwegian are very upcharge heavy. Others like Princess are much more all inclusive.

[@elone3997]

@@digdougx Fair enough, I've got no experience in this 👍

[@digdougx]

@@elone3997 Fair. Each line is different and has their own way of doing business. Some are amazing (Royal Caribbean) and some are trash (MSC).

[@Glenni91N]

As long as the ports are picked smart I don't mind them too much. I live in Haugesund, Norway. a town of about 50 000 people. There's been many controversies regarding cruise ports in Norway, especially in the smaller villages of what, 500 people. But also some in cities like Stavanger where they plonk the cruiseships right in front of people's houses in the old town district. Here though? It's much better suited for it. First of all they dock at the harbour, which is about a 1km walk from the downtown. Surrounded by industrial buildings, other ships, parking garages etc. So if they wanna see the town theiy either need to walk there themselves, or take a shuttle bus. And they do leave quite a bit of money behind in shops cafes, etc. The way the town is designed, with one large pedestrian shopping street spanning most of the way downtown I guess that also helps with crowds. It's fun, it adds a bit of buzz to the town. Though it never feels suffocating to walk there when a cruiseship is in town, like it does in other places.

[@smudgepuss]

I liked our cruise's stop in Haugesund. Big enough to not feel like you're all swamping the town and small enough to feel cosy. And we still talk about our picnic up the top of the giant rock in Lotheparken (there's a geocache there!). And two lovely knitting/sewing shops.

[@lindseysharon259]

I see so many complaints about ports limiting size/quantity of ships but I’m all for it. It means spreading out itineraries to different places, making it more difficult for cruise port shopping districts to pop up (I hate those), and making life better for the residents of these overwhelmed ports. Not every ship needs to stop in the same location! I’m a big supporter of having ports that only small ships can reach vs major cities for the large ships. Variety shouldn’t be seen as a negative. Gotta admit that I do love seeing those “well if they don’t want us then we should refuse to go there!” comments. I’ve yet to find one where the commenter wasn’t being serious.

[@RichardUpstanding]

The cruise ship industry’s contribution to pollution and emissions alone is disgraceful!

[@FutureProofTV]

^^^^ something the cruise-apologists avoid talking about

[@erickmillerz]

@@FutureProofTV Can you help me do the math for pollution and emissions? The average cruise ship capacity is around 3,000 passengers and they usually visit 3 cities. If those same passengers decided to travel to those 3 cities by plane, where the average now stands at 160 seats per scheduled flight. You would need 18 flights per destination. So 54 total plane flights + lets say 1,000 taxi rides from the airport to the tourist area and 1,000 back (per city). Who pollutes more? 1 Cruise or 54 Flights + 6,000 Taxi rides

[@just_a_bored_guyexe1913]

​@@erickmillerzcase closed.

[@kewrock]

@@erickmillerz Perfect point. But people are going to take local cabs one way or the other. Whether it be to and from the airport or seaport. Replace that point with the trash point. Whether they fly in or sail in.They are still going to be a burden on local infrastructure. The real answer is, if your city doesn't like tourism, don't cater to tourists. Find a different industry to support your city. Good luck with that.

[@x--.]

Yup, US should just start taxing the hell outta them.

[@marynorton6068]

Being trapped on a ship with 1000s of people is my idea of hell tbh

[@tyleralbertson5050]

Like paying to be put in jail

[@FutureProofTV]

same 😭😭

[@dchenkin02]

Is it that different from paying thousands of dollars to visit Disney World or an all inclusive resort on a dangerous Caribbean island?

[@Farquad76.547]

@@dchenkin02nope it’s the same. And I wouldn’t go there either 😊

[@XDarkGreyX]

​@@dchenkin02 less roof tho and not surrounded by fing water

[@alexanderdrude4265]

Short remark: the Titanik was not a cruiseship, but an ocean liner which is an actual mode of transport, and not a floating hotel. That's like the difference between a tour and a commuter bus.

[@williamkreth]

Cruises are so fun. I talked with workers how they liked their jobs and no one said they didnt like their job. They did say they didnt like being away from family for so long (Carnival)

[@KingUnKaged]

Americans and Canadians have the least vacation time in the world. A cruise is nice because it's a predictable way to spend your time that guarantees a certain level of enjoyment. A super intentional vacation where you engage with culture and expand your mind is all well and good, but if you only get a few days off per year from a job that you hate, rolling the dice on something like that where the spread is much wider, with your increasingly limited dollars, is a very daunting prospect.

[@sophie1937]

then you should just go on a staycation.. stay in a nice hotel or resort somewhere nearby where you live in North America, if you have no desire to engage with a different culture why spend more money to travel elsewhere???

[@rudiausbuddeln]

but wouldnt it be more relaxed then to just fly to one spot and chill there all the time? A cruise in my opinion is more stressful than a fixed beach vacation trip.

[@MilwaukeeWoman]

​@@sophie1937 you're still picking your food and entertainment if you stay. Hotels are full of people who are traveling for work, the other passengers are on the ship to relax. It's a different environment. It's a deliberate vacation environment unlike anywhere else.

[@gracedreifuerst]

@@rudiausbuddeln cruises are very relaxing. Maybe im just saying this because im an hour from the Galveston port but there is no stress in a cruise. We show up, hand our big luggage to a luggage cart guy after tagging it, we wait in a line that isn’t bad because they stagger arrival times. Then we show our passports and paperwork to someone at a desk and then we’re on the ship. At like 1pm our bags and rooms are ready and we’re done. No dealing with overweight bag fees or bag limits. No cramped middle seats. No dealing with weird hotels that may or may not have some weird shitty breakfast that you may or may not have to pay for. It’s just so much easier on a cruise ship. My family switched to cruises when we realized my mom and my aunt were just housekeepers at whatever place we rented for family trips

[@digdougx]

​​​@@sophie1937A cruise is basically a stacation that also moves and everything is taken care of for you. I have done a lot of active trips, staycations, and cruises. Cruises are the most relaxing by an order of magnitude. Even the big active ships are still relaxing in a big beach party kind of way Also the ships have so many different places to go with different atmospheres. There are quiet libraries, night clubs, and everything in between. Plus everyone there is also on vacation and just wants to have a good time.

[@mermaidintherudder]

I worked onboard small cruise ships for several years until bulkhead fell on me & crippled me for life. I’m in constant pain now. Norovirus stays ruining cruises & killing elderly. It’s the reason the bulkhead wasn’t secured. The virus should be a major scandal but $$$ protects the cruise lines. Ruined my whole life. Thank you @FutureProof for making this video.

[@bloodycrepe]

How can bulkhead fall on anyone unless the vessel is being built. I call BS

[@franciswilliams6919]

Did you mean to type bunk bed?

[@RivaZA1]

How does a virus make a bulkhead fall on you? I'm confused!

[@MiyanoShuumei]

bulkheads are built into the structure of the ship, how did one just fall down?

[@katanaki3059]

WTH are you talking about?

[@LunaLight95]

Maybe they want to spend their vacation time eating, drinking and sleeping with a new beautiful view and the possibility of seeing a different country. Let people live and be happy.

[@KD-yf1ym]

He cant, because his whiny rant feeds his self righteous, superiority complex. He will be the judge of "travel" and decide if others actions on their vacation meet his approval. Don't take him serious, he's a clown.

[@Mr6384]

My wife and I just completed an Alaskan cruise. While it was fun, my wife said that “a cruise is a giant infomercial “ We were in Victoria but I didn’t get off the cruise. It’s a beautiful area. Sad that we didn’t know that they pollute so much.

[@WaiGee_]

while not quite a cruise, there is a ferry between Tallinn and Stockholm that is an overnight trip and i absolutely adore it. Its long enough to have shows and activities on board while also just being an enjoyable time on the sea. But short enough where you dont start to buy shit you dont want.

[@stringlarson1247]

I had a great overnighter to Sardinia. Boarded, had a perfect double espresso, watched the sun go down and slept like a log.

[@SanderEvers]

Same for the ferry between "Hoek van Holland" in the Netherlands and Harwich in England. It's a decently sized ferry, with a cinema, small (but expensive) store and some casino machines. And two restaurants. But that's not really comparable. A ferry brings you from place A to place B. A cruise brings you from place A to place A again.

[@TheLanges]

As a family we do enjoy cruising. However the cruises we book will stay overnight in ports so we get more time to explore. I also have food allergies and struggle to find food in a lot of countries so this allows me a safe option. We also use a cruise ship kind of as a plane and stay a few days when we get off the boat. We also book our activities outside of the cruise company. It also gives us glimpses of places so we can make a more informed decision for our traditional travel destinations.

[@x--.]

Now you're starting to speak my language, this sounds way better than the 6-hr stop and locust swarm on a small town.

[@jaytharpe3247]

I’ve always thought that it’s interesting how many people love to comment on how much they loath cruises. Great, if you don’t like move on with your day. People like different things.

[@FlyingWeaselMan]

Hurtigruten in Norway is another company that is like UnCruise. They focus on sustainability, local culture, local food, and history. My experience there gave me a massive appreaciation for the country.

[@FutureProofTV]

that's so cool! Glad to know there's people trying to make this space a little better ✨

[@channamasala1]

What are the costs like? I want to do a N. Europe trip but can’t really afford Scandi countries without a cruise, but am not sure I want to take a regular cruise

[@steinwaldmadchen]

@@FutureProofTV To be fair Hurtigruten is half ferry half criuse. IIRC some communities still relies on it for transportations, though larger towns of course are accessible by planes and roads nowadays. Also some of the ships are now LNG - battery hybrid.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

@@channamasala1 Actually Hurtigruten is not cheap - but you may choose to pick the "ferry" option to save a bit, and buy your food in ports when the ship is docked.

[@Aigra]

This was my first cruise and it didn't feel like anything I had heard about cruises before (thankfully). Like, there were only about 300 full time passengers and since there's no crazy 24/7 entertainment program we actually had time for conversations and getting to know each other. I also got to know some locals who had just booked tickets to the next port because in winter that is the quickest option to get there. My other cruise was on the Rhine, which is also not a typical cruise.

[@TheMilkcracker]

I went on my first cruise 2 months ago for a week and it was a blast highly recommend it to anyone wanting to try something new on vacation

[@alanjenko555]

As a Cruise Consultant from Ireland ... I disagree with almost everything you said.... but interesting vid

[@porkins74]

He keeps saying boat 😂

[@traildoggy]

A cruise ship is everything I try to get away from with a vacation. Give me a quiet campsite in a forest please.

[@pjperdue1293]

Yes. Or a cabin on a small island (we have a lot of those here and it's the only way I vacation). Lots of nature and few people.

[@pjperdue1293]

My parents (who'd be 102 this year if alive) went on 27 cruises in the 1970's and 80's, when the ships were reasonably sized with only 150 to 800 passengers; there was no upselling anything. You paid a flat rate and it included everything: all the food, drinks, entertainment. I think that was the golden age of cruising.

[@scottbinder6656]

I've got to say that - while cruises are everything you said and more (or less) - taking a "normal" travel vacation is ridiculous too. Between the crazy cost of airfare and the hotels that charge way, way too much for their rooms; valet parking; and facility fees; to the car rental companies; and the restuarants that charge you $50 for a decent meal for ONE (not counting breakfast or lunch); the cruise industry has created a "niche" for an affordable 7-days with the family away from work.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

I actually consider taking a cruise to Ogasawara Island from Tokyo. I mean, when a stateroom from a top notch luxury cruise line is just a 2~3x the price of round trip ferry between the two (there's no airports on the island) plus a basic B&B, you know something is wrong. And I'm still staying as long as if I took the ferry. I'm well aware that when the govt subsidied the locals during the pandemic, they just marked up as much.

[@andreaa0119]

love that you also talk about the environmental aspect of cruise ships! it’s ironic that they make money from being on water but also polluting it at the same time

[@Mia-elf1]

I never undestood the appeal of cruise ships because they just drive to a certain area, then they just leave. I want to actually be able to to Mexico or something for more than 30 minutes, before being forced into a massive boat again

[@digdougx]

The typically port for the whole day. Idk where this 30 min idea people are repeating is coming from.

[@Santiago-in1xf]

@@digdougx The only one I know of that is aggressively short is Alaska cruises who due to US law need a foreign port, so usually you stop in Victoria, BC for 4 hours.

[@dchenkin02]

Cruises are not all the same; several cruises to Bermuda have port stops of forty-eight to sixty hours.

[@digdougx]

@@Santiago-in1xf Ya. They have to check that box or get fined. My cruise stopped there for like 6 hours there and I thought it was weirdly short.

[@chrisamies2141]

And the passengers not only don't see any of the local area, they hardly spend anything and so don't contribute to the local economy. If they went to a hotel in that area and stayed for a week, they would contribute a lot more.

[@beefy45]

Me and my gf went on a cruise for under 800 total. Spent almost nothing on the boat and spent most of our budget on food and alcohol while in mexico.

[@pjperdue1293]

I live in Victoria about 3 blocks from the cruise ship terminal. I can smell the exhaust from here. While I like talking to the tourists on the street, I wouldn't take a cruise if it were free. People-lasagna ships with tiny cramped rooms. Liberia-registered, so crimes like theft and sexual assault go unpunished. Interestingly, about 20 people a year go overboard worldwide, almost 2 every month. Nothing is ever done about it. Why does the Pacific have a massive floating island of plastic? Cruise ships have been dumping their garbage overboard at night for decades, because who's going to know? (Aside from my elderly mother who witnessed it at 2am when she couldn't sleep.) Nope, you couldn't pay me to get on board.

[@trainsplanesandotherthings5187]

Good we don't need MR Debbie Downer aboard...I will dedicate my next cruise to you Sir!

[@CheveeDodd]

My wife and I do a cruise every year, but it is a music cruise with around 20 bands playing a dozen shows a day. It's fantastic and we don't even disembark when in port. Nobody tries to sell us anything and the crew seems to genuinely enjoy themselves. I couldn't imagine doing a "regular" cruise.

[@sophie1937]

why not go to a music festival or something similar thats on land and therefore less polluting?

[@CheveeDodd]

@@sophie1937 our favorite band hosts the cruise and we have become close friends with them. It's like we are all on vacation together and get to hang out. I've never experienced that at a festival.

[@MilwaukeeWoman]

​@@sophie1937because they enjoy the whole cruise. Everything is planned and they have a good time in an environment designed for a music vacation. There's a music festival in Milwaukee right now. If you go you have to fight crowds to get in and out and get on crowded shuttle buses. On the cruise you just go back to your room between acts and meals. Much nicer than downtown Milwaukee traffic.

[@niktonic5379]

The ship still has much greater ecological impact than if it were on land.

[@Noah-cv4zo]

I have never been on a cruise but the irony with all these people claiming issue with the environmental impact of being at land vs at sea for a music festival is that they neglect all the ways they themselves choose their own comfort over being environmentally friendly on a daily basis. I would imagine many of them choose to continue living or moving to unsustainable areas with no ground water to support them. They likely choose to use AC when they realistically don’t need it. They likely choose to drive a car rather than take a bike/train/bus. For those who don’t, great but there are some big issues we need to face down, and cruises should probably be lower on the list.

[@WarMonkeyPlays]

This doesn't even dive (no pun intended) into all the liability issues that could pop up should anything happen to you or your family. Incidents happen on international waters, so insurance companies aren't keen on payouts if anything goes wrong. And I mean "when shit hits the fan" situations like life insurance implications where insurance can weasel out of paying 10s if not 100s of thousands of dollars.

[@BenjamintheTortoise]

There's 2 types of people in life... Cruise people and non-cruise people. I've never understood the cruise people.

[@digdougx]

Imagine got on a trip where your 5 star resort goes with you and almost everything is all inclusive and taken care of for you so you just get to relax and have fun. That's a cruise.

[@Farquad76.547]

@@digdougxsounds like a nightmare

[@digdougx]

@@Farquad76.547 I suppose its not for everyone, but a lot of people are knocking it before they've tried it and being weirdly smug about it.

[@cellgrrl]

When you get old you might think differently.

[@x--.]

@@digdougx There is certainly appeal. I have, in fact, seen it first hand and it really is super-charged consumerism. The free food was cool for the first day until I got the strange feeling that we were like hogs being fattened for slaughter. The long lines to get on and off the ship, funneled like livestock. It was surreal and maybe with enough alcohol I would have forgotten all that but that upsell is crazy.

[@PhilippBlum]

Great for groundnews to have the story about the whale. But I still have so many questions about this.

[@FutureProofTV]

😅😅

[@BoudicasQuest]

One of my college friends is a full-time musician and he was in a cruise ship band. This was in the early 1990's. THEY TOOK HIS PASSPORT until he finished his contract of 18 months I want to say. Based on that story alone, I have never felt the urge to go on a cruise, magnificent as the ships may be.

[@peterparker2068]

Unlimited drinks on a cruise typically require purchasing a beverage package. On Carnival cruises, these packages can cost around $65 per person, per day. It's important to note that some packages may have limitations, such as a 15-drink maximum. Additionally, cruises often have a mandatory daily gratuity which can be around $15. Factoring in these additional costs can increase the overall price of your cruise beyond the initial ticket price (e.g., a $500 ticket could become $630 with gratuity). Not to mention if you do anything outside of the base price then the cost could skyrocket. Wifi is like $20 a day.

[@wishandwatch]

20$ a day for wifi? that is insane

[@peterparker2068]

@@wishandwatch If people need it or want it, what else are they going to do?

[@steinwaldmadchen]

@@wishandwatch tbf $20 a day is comparable to international flights, which employ similar satellite technologies. Also do note that until the recent advancement of starlink, fast affordable internet is next to impossible, and that's universal to all ships - ferries, freighters,, research ships etc. Cruise lines do mark up but probably not intentionally want to rip you off for this case. It's also not in their interest to do that either.

[@NunyaIz]

on overcharging, I have a friend who works at a tourist stop (sight-seeing train). They do some trips that just cater to cruise passengers, and they've started asking out of interest how much their passengers paid for a ticket, because it's different every time. The train has a standard price of I think USD$90, which is what they charge the cruise ships, but the cruise passengers buy their ticket through the cruise line, the most I've heard of them paying is USD$450. The cruise line isn't even organising transport from the port to the station, the rail line does that.

[@jedro86]

Dude, doesn’t your city still pump all of the city’s dookie out to sea? What’s a couple cruise ships compared to more than 100k residents?

[@HolzerJay]

Great job on this project! Your hard work and dedication is evident in the quality of your work. I am impressed with your attention to detail and the creative solutions you came up with. Keep up the good work!

[@Sweetwaterdream]

Travel is all about planning and all the mistakes and learnings you make along the way. I cant imagine being stuck in the middle of the ocean with thousands of people and if anything goes wrong its not like you can easily nope out.

[@joker6solitaire]

The only cruise I ever went on was in 2001 with my family, when I was 14 years old. Unlike most Americans, we went to Alaska because none of us tan well 🤣 We stopped at ports in at least 5 different Alaskan towns and went on hikes, bike rides, an old-fashioned train, shopping in local shops, etc. This was long before Americans had heard that cruises were so problematic, so we had a guilt-free vacation. Most of my memories are of the places we visited on land, not about the cruise ship itself. It remains one of my fondest memories of family trips--especially since it was the last vacation we all took together (my older siblings were adults by then, with their own busy lives). In fact, that trip was so memorable that my two oldest sisters and their mom (we're half-siblings) recreated the same vacation nearly 20 years with their own kids! I didn't have the heart to tell them by then that cruises are so objectionable for environmental and human rights reasons. I'm still too afraid to send this video to them because...yeah...it probably WOULD burn some bridges...

[@Joe-vy4nk]

Literally in the first few seconds he calls Titanic a cruise ship😭

[@danieleatesia12]

I recommended this topic awhile ago and am so stoked that you made this video ☺️

[@FutureProofTV]

Thanks for the rec! It's been in the works for a long time so it's great to see it so well-received 🤗

[@DerekVuong7799]

they treat the waste before dumping it. It's actually really clean. Similar to how land treat our sewer before dumping it onto the coast. Same shit XD. As for low paying most of the staff are from 3rd world countries with extremally low cost of living. The lowest staff get paid like around 7k to 15k a year including tips. The average wage in Vietnam is 4k a year. That's double your income. To put it into perspective the average wage in CA is 70k a year and its like making 140k working only 9 months out of the year with food and housing included. Pretty good deal for working 12 hrs days and they get port days as well. It's a great way to travel the world for them.

[@thisisnotausernameXD]

Just because they get paid more than what they would make in their home countries doesn't mean they should not be paid even better and have better working conditions. This is just another way they keep us 'third-worlders' in our colonized mentality.

[@lynnewilliams542]

LOVE LOVE LOVE cruising. I have been on over 100. No regrets

[@Patrice11300]

My husband and I went on a chartered cruise on a major cruise line and that will be our first and last cruise. Besides the fact I walked off the boat sick with a start of a very bad cold, my husband ended up having Covid, then I got Covid after my cold. We didn’t like the high pressure selling of food and drinks plus all the tipping. We didn’t like rigid dinner schedule with the high pressure selling to up our bill. Luckily, there were no kids in board and we did have some nice experiences and good food on our excursions but it all felt to confined. Everyone we have told about our 25th Anniversary cruise vacation all said they have zero interest in cruising. They thought we were nuts for going in a cruise ship. I have zero interest in going on a giant, party megaship. I’d only go again if it was like those fancy cruises you see in old movies without kids and waterslides.

[@Amalgam86]

Love your channel and the topics you choose to cover! I was just having a similar conversation with my parents about the disruptive natureof the cruise industry. Also, lol, to see my hometown Lviv in one of the shots, even though it's landlocked and doesn't even have a river flowing through it 😂

[@justdiane5]

Never heard of you before but I really enjoyed the video. Good job 👍

[@Simple_Galaxy]

I have literally been searching for my next cruise for the past three days and was about to book one today and this video came out haha

[@oafkad]

I actually had a really really good time on the cruises I've been on. They taught me the importance of getting off the internet. Because the net was an extra cost and I'm not going to pay extra money just to have access to the net. I realized that not being on the internet made me happier. I'd just sit on the edge of the boat and read an actual book as the air passed by. It was lovely. I do hope someday there are ships made that aren't just insane pollution machines.

[@shahinjogi5228]

Well said, well presented, thanks for putting this video together. I agree that you can't call yourself a traveller if you're just going on cruises.

[@jaimeerindy4573]

This video came at the perfect time because I've never taken a cruise but I won't lie, all the recent marketing for them had really got me thinking I should at least *try*. But you're so right

[@joermnyc]

My wife was interested in one of those European river cruise trips… yeah we read the itinerary… It’s like they rush you around the city they’ve stopped at because if the boat isn’t out of there by sundown it turns into a pumpkin. 😂 No thanks we’d rather explore at our own pace and just use rail to get between places (and maybe a ferry).

[@mroie]

You know you love them with passion

[@mac3rdc]

I don't like open water. I will not go on a cruise.

[@blacksterangel]

I've seen some of your videos and this is the first time that I know that you're from Victoria B.C. Genuinely one of the most pleasant place I've ever visited (i was on bus tour from Vancouver, not cruise).

[@PreludeInZ]

First video I've watched from your channel, didn't know you were Canadian until I heard your accent for a whole. Hello from Winnipeg!

[@rienpost3145]

As much as I enjoy your videos, have a word with whoever does your captions. All these typos make you look bad. Proper spelling: 1:50 performances 1:52 activities 2:28 accommodation 9:57 that's 11:21 communities

[@Erdie5]

Ah. We just went on a Disney cruise in March. My wife wanted to take the kids on either that or go to Disneyworld. Because still in 2024, it is somehow burned into the minds of American women that their kids must visit this place by law or something. I digress. All my kids wanted to do was use the pools and the splash pad. I obliged, and spent the entire trip in or next to the pools and splash pad. Or on the island, next to the swim area in the ocean. They of course hated every dinner. They fell asleep during every nightly show. It wasn't misery or anything, but it's definitely not something I ever need to do again. Also, the days at sea were my own personal nightmare. You know how the ship holds a bazillion people? Yeah. On those days you're not at a port, alllll those people are on the ship. Not for me.

[@ladyeowyn42]

I just take my son to a local hotel with a pool and he loves it. 😂

[@melodyanderson7914]

I go on vacations to get away from people. Cruising sounds like a nightmare, being trapped.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

This is important. I think it is an interesting question as to how much longer they will be popular because everyone I know who goes on these things increasingly seems to be older. I do not see as many younger people independently choosing this method of travel.

[@mclago]

Great video as always ! Thx. Keep it coming. Im looking for my S&W .38 JAJAJAJAJAJAJA !!!

[@skeinofadifferentcolor2090]

There was this one family in a church we used to attend that would always go on cruises! Like it was an every 2-year thing for them. They got so hoity toity about it that they looked down on anyone who didn't want to do it too. Hotel Transylvania 3 actually does an amazing job of highlighting how ridiculous cruise ships are.

[@caryrodda]

Thanks! Great topic!

[@FutureProofTV]

thank you, stoked you're loving it 😊

[@russyp]

Titanic was an ocean liner not a cruise ship

[@saywhat6062]

Thanks for the tip on uncruises. Learned something & will check out. 😊

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

I've always wanted to go on a cruise because I love traveling. However, I've never been able to afford it. The only person I know who can afford to go on cruises (my little brother) never goes on cruises (he goes on vacations to beaches or theme parks instead).

[@weeb6316]

good vid like how u proposed alternatives too

[@aspiring...]

I've never been on a cruise but while on holiday in Greece, i met a cruise worker from the Philippines. He said he works so hard hasnt had a day off in ages. He only has breaks occasionally when the ship is docked.

[@dahliam5397]

While I can agree that cruises in turn are bad for the environment, literally all modes of travel are bad for the environment. Travel is a luxury we get in the modern age and I feel this video hinges far too much on why cruising "isn't real travel" when I can promise you that college students tooling around Europe or a family traveling to Mexico or the Philippines are experiencing almost the exact same level of depth as any cruise tourist even after being somewhere for probably much longer. This is an issue of tourism rather than just cruises. Secondly, I can appreciate the ease argument, but many people I know don't cruise because it's easier. It's because it's faaaaar cheaper for what you get. As much as I appreciate river and small boat cruises, the Uncruise line recommended in this video is over 5 times more expensive than the one I went on last year, assuming go with the cheapest package taking a similar route and duration and only go by myself. If I bring anyone else, it's leagues more as most cruise lines give you a deal on a second person, Uncruise does not (for the trip I took to Alaska). For context, the cruise I took cost around $2000 for two people. the same cruise for Uncruise is over $10,000. And that is just unaffordable to anyone but the richest people. Are there standard cruises where the extra wealthy get this opportunity, yes. Like any industry the wealthy will do what they want, but on the last cruise I went on, over half of the people I met were on fixed incomes and were treating this as a like big saving splurge or were a part of a big family that couldn't afford much more. These are people who scrounge up funds and dollars to have a way to see a ton of places all at once, since they might not even get the chance to sightsee for the next few years. Once again, this is an issue of classism when it comes to pretty much any form of travel. The rich can afford the "cleaner, nicer, more authentic" versions. The last issue with being trapped is partially true. Having had friends who worked on cruises, they don't get tons of breaks but many port days often allow the workers to leave and also visit the city that they stopped in. They understand the benefit of being able to travel and work, and a lot of them did enjoy it. This is obviously anecdotal, but even the cruise workers I got to meet and interact with often left the boat and we'd see them around the port town. But if you quit you are often just dropped off at the next port. You're trapped in so far as you'd need to fly home afterwards, but it's not often that that lasts more than a few days if you quit just as the ship sets off to sea. This is not also not a lucrative job, and the workers definitely deserve more rights and better wages, but to have a job that pays, food, housing and travel is a trade off people are willing to make and I've known a lot of like young twenty somethings who do exactly that. If you're reading this and you disregard my point just because I have been on a cruise, then that's fine, but this is just to point out things that were overlooked in the research for this video.

[@steinwaldmadchen]

But I guess just like most things in modern consumerism, we underpaid for the stuff / service we use and just outsource the issue elsewhere.

[@dahliam5397]

@@steinwaldmadchen I understand. My issue more comes from the fact that there is no equivalent thing for people with lower incomes. Ethicality is not an issue of something being cheap either. Nike pays the workers that make their shoes pennies, and yet they sell for hundreds... Spending more =/= better wages.

[@aspiring...]

That Uncruise sounds great. I like that of offer some kind of alternative.

[@ellavera35]

Thanks!

[@FutureProofTV]

thanks for joining us here!!

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

Never been on a cruise, myself, and after this I'm kind of glad..

[@RampagingChipmunk]

I’ve determined from watching Bright Sun Travel videos that cruises seem like a miserable experience and I refuse to go on one.

[@x--.]

With the right about of money, the right drink package and the right travel companions it does really look like it could be a blast. Just keep drinking.

[@festivalkyrie]

I do have 3 family members who worked on cruise ships on different levels- before the pandemic. After that the company changed their headquarters from Germany to Italy, and everybody noticed the levels of chaos just evolving, staff had to work in masks, while NONE OF THA PASSANGERS (you know, rich, mid-rich old people) were tested for Covid-19. My "favorite" story was in 2020 a staff worker made a complaint against the poor conditions of Covid19-testing, and their manager replied "then you should go home". To a Ukrainian man 😐😐 Gladly, my relatives didn't had to interact entitled passengers, and they didn't get sick, but an alarming amount of humans thought that, after 1 year of plague, they demanded their vacation for being "too stressed". it's blood-boiling, how everyone expects to go everything 1000% ALL THE TIME, any anything happens, it's like while flying: to avoid a total mayhem staff won't tell you about if a fridge is broken, or they ran outta something. Or a dead body they had to store somewhere (yes, people do die on cruise ships a lot, ya know, old people), otherwise, all the Karens will go on a rampage. In the middle of the ocean it'll turn into a rabid monkey cage :/

[@jager-fett]

Cruise Ships dumping waste in Victoria waters is probably the lesser issue for your waters there, where does the regular sewage get dumped? Into the ocean but hey lets blame cruise ships first.... hahahahaha

[@VWJR86]

Been on 3 cruises, heading for a fourth in May. Have really enjoyed all of them. Bermuda was by far our favorite, really enjoyed the locals, thr culture, and exploring. Besides staying on the island, airfare, and everything else required would have been exorbitantly more than the cost of the cruise. 75% of the extra money we spent was on tips to the crew, even with prepaid gratuities we always pay extra for their services. Not everyones thing, but its apparently a hot vacaion trend considering how many people are ook them.

[@ourfamilyaccount]

I haven't gone on a cruise but I was a bit fascinated by them when I watched a behind-the-scenes cruise documentary many years ago. I'm glad my parents when I was younger did a Canada trip the traditional way, yes we had to plan more but it was delightful seeing the landscape and supporting the businesses in the area and especially not dealing with crowds. I didn't factor the pollution from cruises, ridiculous!

[@constitutionalcarrot3720]

I went on a 7-day Caribbean cruise last month, and have been subjected to cruises since I was a kid, as it was my grandparents’ favorite way to travel (shoutout to the QE2!). The upselling and microtransactioning is getting to video game levels are this point. And man the staff, mostly from south-east Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, were visibly dejected at the amount of food we all wasted from the buffet every single day.

[@digdougx]

What line did you go on? I just got off Princess and there was hardly an upsell and everything was very laid back and all inclusive.

[@constitutionalcarrot3720]

@@digdougx MSC Meraviliga.

[@digdougx]

@@constitutionalcarrot3720 Oh. Ya. MSC sucks. They are a pretty bottom tier line. If you pay a little more for Royal Caribbean then you would notice the difference.

[@iamjesuscolon]

Still going on a cruise, thanks for your opinion!