"It's tough to go from a good team to a bad one" | Facecheck S04E07

[@PumpkinExpectations]

Dgon has grown so much on me over the last year, with facecheck and the jungle. Think he has improved massively. Just wanted to give props

[@yungcruz6562]

Are we watching the same show?

[@samueltunnicliffe7012]

Honestly I always thought he was good. Sometimes a bit too wordy when it's all on him or he has an announcement or something but I really appreciate his hosting style

[@aanon4019]

@@yungcruz6562 you don't gotta do him like that man

[@GargNathan]

Agree. He has found his spot being the structure needed to poke at dom and ls to get them thinking for a deeper response

[@Bloodyninenightangel]

Yeah he's getting to be more real. Used to come off kinda phony/cringe tbh

[@BornoftheSun89]

Props to LS for keeping it real. Hope dude takes some time to just enjoy himself a bit and free up a little head space. I bet it's hard to just go from 100 mph to having few clear obligations. Hoping he eventually figures out what he wants to be doing and hopefully it involves League some, love having him in the scene.

[@ibogus6863]

I find LS really cringe. I try to like the guy, but he just has weird mannerisms that bug me.

[@abhuyllongfellow4233]

Hello Mr. James, I don't have a Twitter account. Or Reddit. Or even a facebook. Nor do I ever intend to. Could you kindly explain what the hell they were talking about (or even what you are talking about) at the beggining of the show regarding LS current situation? Thank you very much in advance, good sir! Cheers!

[@ibogus6863]

@@brandNAME-dt1pj true, that’s the part that makes me want to respect him. He’s just too socially awkward for me to appreciate his content, but I am a fan on his philosophy regarding concepts to win LOL games.

[@keyboard8006]

@@abhuyllongfellow4233 not sure if this is a bait but long story short c9 hired LS as their coach at the beginning of the season knowing he had strong ideas about how he wants the game to be played and allowed him to build a roster then come week 3 they released him without warning 30 minutes before a stage game then gave a shitty pr response of “we didnt like how he wanted to change our team structure” pretty much blindsided him and we still dont have details beyond what c9s video has said.

[@abhuyllongfellow4233]

@@keyboard8006 it wasnt bait and I thank you for your response, good sir! Last week's show was supposed to have been recorded post C9 firing him and I remember him saying he was doing fine. He seemed to be oddly fine all in all. Dom even asks him directly what happened and he says he can't say but lawyers were handling it and all that. However given how sad he seemed in this episode, especially at the very beggining, I assumed something else had happened last week that knocked the wind out of his sails. Hence the question :)

[@timdiaz1981]

LS is completely out of it. We have all been there brotha keep your head up.

[@pymtheslime2569]

Loved the more "real" feel this episode had! I'd love to see more of this style!

[@decoohh]

Off lunch break and a new Facecheck to get me through the second half of the day NICE

[@enigmaniac5172]

I know you guys probably won't see this. But this and some lcs games are really the only league content i consume because you guys are just so entertaining! Love the podcast!

[@I-am-Igris]

At this point, i think tsm should just sub in the academy team and take the starters to China or korea tbh and focus on what tf went wrong. There's no reason to finish out the split anymore. Like Spica and alot of un-named pros said before, Spring doesn't matter.

[@archaontheeverchosen539]

It doesn't matter because they can't win it to go to msi

[@OneDabMan]

@@archaontheeverchosen539 does MSI even matter tho? its like 1 team from each region and it doesnt hold any value really cept some prize money and its an "international" tournament. Whatever happened to rift rivals?

[@archaontheeverchosen539]

@@OneDabMan it's the 2nd biggest thing in league so of course it matters

[@nalkainenkarhu8435]

The conversation got fucking real. @LS you have a lot of potential to do whatever you want in life. Figuring out what you want to do in life is not a small task.

[@Darkyryus_]

SMOOTHIE GIGACHAD also Dom and LS are so BASED PD: Ilegor actor

[@zacharder6437]

But like how cringe are the Upload Times, idk if that's on G4 or on the crew to pass the vod to G4 but I'm not really interested in podcasts discussing events in the future but I get to listen to it after the events have happened. If G4 doesnt care, the crew should probably look for a new host

[@YoshiSF]

i am begging the G4 guy to pls upload these b4 the LCS

[@40vandervaart]

I'm a big fan of this podcast and these three guys but uploading the podcast a week too late does suck. I'm sure they realise that and it's just a one off and they keep up the good content.

[@delano131100]

But there was one 9 days ago?

[@boogyism]

@@delano131100 there was. But I think it was streamed Thursday before the games and uploaded Monday after the games. So technically a week behind LCS.

[@delano131100]

@@boogyism Aaaaaah I see yeah I don't watch LCS that much so I prob didn't notice

[@neglection371]

Don’t forget you can watch LS’s vod on twitch so you can get it earlier

[@Cremlindor]

I remember Dom saying in one of his streams that there were issues with this episode. It happens

[@Zeroyue622]

I’m waiting this episode to come out before I can watch LCS

[@alexweitz]

I wish they'd release the episodes earlier

[@JohnDoe-vc5qb]

my flag league is full of NCAA D1 and Canadian University players (including myself) and they are so strict about safety which I can understand because of the level of the average player but we've never had any big case like that so it's kinda crazy to hear about.

[@Pastelbluesox]

Please get the next one out before LCS week 😭😭😭

[@Shingeki__]

"FOUR FLASH TIBBERS!!??!?" I can't remember where I saw that but I never forget how distraught that person sounded xD

[@GrizzzlyTCG]

We love you ls keep on going you have a purpose!

[@whisky_cat]

Brave quote for the vod title

[@awung11]

I had a similar flag football story as Dgon. Not sure how people who are clearly friends with the refs can compete

[@Anthony0482]

Why does it take 3 days to upload a vod lol

[@ckromuluss11and89]

i love this show,just a pity i have to watch lcs just to understand whats going on

[@nope7200]

it arrived

[@pastrie42]

I would feel the same as LS right now. Him seeing all the same pics basically just reminds him of the fact that he doesn't get to places impact on the game like he desired. Hell, we all wanted it. I'm still mad about it and I'm not even personally involved.

[@kinshred1222]

LS is gonna be Vengeance

[@seamonster175]

Damn ls sounds so depressed 😔 hope he gets better

[@orionmilbury4817]

Jokes on that Leauge they get flamed in front of 25,000+ people

[@rachelblack314]

ProTip: Don't say to the customer, "I don't want you as a fan."

[@theotakutrans5374]

I personally disagree that the answer is just "get good individually". Some people don't see sequences and patters in the same way someone else's brain does. If I was doing plumbing, and I was slowing down the more veteran people on my squad because I didn't know something, that doesn't mean I should be fired until I learn it on my own. That means I try to tap into the knowledge of people around me. I don't think being pisslow in skill should mean you get kicked from champions queue, I think it means asking "Hey, why do you do this instead of this?" That doesn't instantly shut down the conversation, and gives the other person a chance to respond. Even if Say Hans-Sama said "F off, I just wanna play the game silently" at least the opportunity is there. You can wait and ask again later, or ask someone else, while still making efforts to learn in your own time. I feel like that argument is hyper-individualistic. Sorry my brain doesn't work the way yours does to see this pattern. If I saw it, I wouldn't be asking.

[@souvikmazumder3346]

Hey! Great job guys! Could you also cover other leagues briefly as well?

[@DIYisntDead]

Dgon, IWD, and monte have another show where they cover other leagues more called the jungle. Doesn't have ls, but it's similiar with 2/3 hosts.

[@iGoatYouTTV]

Let’s goat banger upload !

[@scottgill2643]

I doubt they're gonna beat "Good Game" by the Game Grumps, but maybe it's just gonna cater to a different audience. "Riot Approved" sounds a lot like the Advance Approved "Lil' C"

[@belugawithani]

doms a heat fan based

[@okarin12]

LS get into a small pro team so you atleast have the faith of the org to implement your ideas.

[@zephiralarcon848]

Why are new eps not on spotify btw?

[@christianjacobs4901]

GM is too easy to hit :( Me barely able to hit gold

[@davidwu1091]

What did malice say

[@andrewwilson9579]

LS PLS THERAPY LMAOO

[@salhadi7887]

do a shot everytime IWD says "like" - RIP

[@ltheelementalflowl]

If I created an Org, I might name it NA's Last Hope (NHL) xD and would love for LS to transform league. lol

[@jacobgrissom1391]

I know Dom and LS from older stuff never seen dgon play or coach and I could be wrong but a podcast host asking for a safe space to speak is mad 😹 like the show would love a show that allows something Spicer than water

[@BS-se4yg]

Wait what's the drama between Malice and IWD?

[@prestonrizor6887]

malice called him a pedo in a twitter argument I think

[@jonathanj380]

Short spiked hair Spica is way better than long haired Spica

[@MrDespisedIcon]

Why is the upload so late? :/

[@ridexo4742]

I’m a fan of the show but wtf is going on with these upload schedules

[@nobodyfrfr2978]

Why the heck r they talking about what happened 8 days ago and not what happened this past weekend wtf

[@GutsyTen42]

Cause this is last week's VoD

[@chrismiller9333]

I disagree about some of the sentiments around the Champion's queue discussion. I thought the whole point was to raise the overall quality of NA players near the top. Just because players don't get all the concepts of playing winning League, they're still at a point where it should be something learnable for them if they're able to hit GM. If the top players just wanted to play with each other while only playing people at their level, they could have easily done In-Houses with the other LCS/Academy members. It might not be fun to have to teach some of the concepts top players take for granted, but if the goal is to raise the NA quality and not be some weird scheduled time for folks to queue up for games, then this effort needs to be made.

[@PT84]

TSM Nuguri plzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@MorpheusDreamRealm]

NGL love Dgon but it was broodwar ls was talking about and he said it 3 times not sc2.

[@HkJoK]

does anyone else notice dgon's lashes? lol

[@BrendanZanitCoen]

Damn this is kinda late lol

[@GroovingDrums]

just one week, give 'em a break!

[@davormiho]

When you talk about contenders and pretenders you should talk about dolphins and cows. C9 and TL are dolphins, GG and FLY are cows.

[@TheHesjes]

I was enjoying rjs playing in house then when I said something to him he snapped so instantly at me I was like naw with that negativity to a fan I'm out.

[@einer1314]

Shoulda just pulled your football team right then and there.

[@stevanavichdudee2224]

Yea I have no idea about draft or even most of the game. I watch it because I’m a loser and an idiot. But, I know that if I were in the TSM coaches position I would ban Zillean (spelling?). It’s crazy. Why would you let that guy have his best champ. Are they inting on purpose? Conspiracy here guys. Paid by Steve.

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

LS aka Lost Soul

[@tristan9565]

I hate how much Dom is defending shenyi when he's performing the worst or 2nd worse on the team. Yes the other players are terrible, but the only player getting caught out as much as Shenyi is tactical, and tactical started doing better. Shenyi is also going in at random points where none of TSM can follow up. Also this is speculation but rumors has it that the disrespect loc in was renekton pick during week2 when TSM wanted enchanters top. I would be pretty mad if my support locked in renekton after spending weeks trying to learn enchanter top. Especially because its a renekton. At least lock in a good champ

[@W0Rd0n32sTre3T]

They have 1 win total trying that dogshit strat for weeks on end 🤡

[@shinobuu__]

yea, at least lock in a champ for a strat that will be gone in 2-3 weeks! This will help us improve, learning a strat that will not work for the rest of the year.

[@martialgod_lol]

Ls just seems like he's high and just about to fall asleep for most of the show

[@SweatyLeftHand]

i hope that girl is okay :(

[@Infernoswac]

Someone needs to introduce LS to Elden Ring or Mark and Travis need to get him into Genshin

[@MarshallDTeach1017]

Why does dom have beef with malice

[@shieldfrostbyte6194]

Malice unprompted randomly called dom a pedo with 0 evidence

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

@@shieldfrostbyte6194 everyone’s a pedo now word has no meaning lmao

[@Diehard-ex8gn]

@@OMAR-vk9pi um what?

[@itzssun]

Malice didnt like doms tierlist so he called him a pedo. (Malice the most sane League player)

[@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998]

Malice did nothing wrong

[@gf2245]

Anyone knows what malice said to Dom?

[@blakey7525]

he said sugma

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

wagwon

[@jonathanmetzger3092]

So, NA coaches are man children who can’t handle when their players are smarter than them? That’s all that I am gathering from the whole TSM thing. Lol.

[@coledorillo6685]

Spica needs to get a haircut

[@FMD-FullMetalDragon]

The first two weeks of this year's LCS was the start of a real CHANGE IN HOW LEAGUE COULD BE PLAYED and yet Cloud 9 and Riot Games just couldn't let it happen. LS could have been that change because of how he see's the game, and the LCS DIDN'T, AND DOES NOT WANT, TO CHANGE. So LS had to be fired. He was making teams think for the first time, and he was playing things that made teams adapt. And NOW WE ARE ONCE AGAIN IN THIS ULTRA STAGNANT BULLSHIT LEAGUE THAT PLAYS THE SAME FUCKING THING ALL THE god damn FUCKING TIME. IT'S BORING.

[@mynameismicke]

What has Riot to do with LS being fired? have i missed something or ?

[@ThePolarpop]

@@mynameismicke no, if anything i think riots annoyed about it too lol

[@herogone1]

Everyone need to get of the notion that Spica is god level player. He not a good shot caller/in game leader. TSM need to get better coach (if this is the coach bad darting). A better mid laner. If they want to keep Spica that fine but get a better shot caller so that person can lead the team. Right now TSM feel like 5 solo q player playing. Oh one more thing, get a better adc.

[@jamalbarnes4327]

doo doo first