TIE BEAM - ALAMIN ANG MGA DAPAT NA DETALYE SA ISANG TIE BEAM.

MGA KAILANGAN NA ICONSIDER SA LALAGAY NG TIE BEAM AT KUNG KELAN AT SAAN DAPAT ILAGAY ANG ISANG TIE BEAM.
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[@achillessantos9101]

common practice in north america instead of a FTB (tie beam as you indicated on your diagram) we also just pour continuous footing which also act as a tie beam. depending on regional location and soil condition, tie beams are not frequently used, mainly because especially if it is a single family residential building, cmu walls, conc post and beam buildings are not used. type 5 wood construction is most common and sufficient to handle earthquakes and high winds. very light weight therefore require no tiebeams which keep the cost down. it is rare that columns fail by virtue of just axial loading (vertical), but as you mentioned lateral shearing motion or forces initiated by for example earthquake or typhoon winds these tie beams as you know transfer the forces down to the footings. sizes of columns can be safely made smaller or reduced by utilizing shearwalls to resist lateral forces. most buildings in the ph are massive and weigh so much thus increasing footing sizes to support concretre block walls, slabs and post and beam made of concrete. there's no one size fit all columns and beams, every column and beams must be reinforced according to a specific loading condition and engineering calculations, which also include soils type and load bearing capacity of the soil.

[@basictips1971]

Sa 7m x 8m na bahay concrete roof sir walang 1st floor, need pa ba ng tie beam?

[@SamuRai1984]

Sir kaya po ba ang anim na poste sa 2 storey na bahay 5mx7m at sagaran po ang lupa

[@oliviapeacock6562]

Sir paano kng d nilagyan ng footing tie beam. Ano dapat gawin?

[@leckyonboard275]

Very helpful content po sir. Keep it up po sir! God bless po.

[@GabsRomano]

Salamat po and have a nice day

[@basilmagsmusic4482]

Sir yung bungalow need bang lagyan ng tie beam?

[@lhanbea2089]

Good pm Sir baka pwd naman makakuha idea kng magkano unit rate ng concrete wall

[@Kuyyajaycee]

Meron kami poste walang tie beam.. 8ft ang height.. kaya pa kaya i third floor?

[@GabsRomano]

No po , pa analysis po nio para sure as built

[@frankmichaelljacla9825]

sir request application ng plinth beam thank you

[@missinglink8585]

i assumed you are a civil engineer because of the way you discuss your topic. can you share us more your knowledge on the proper construction of post/column and tie beam on a stiff/slope land/lot. tnx

[@GabsRomano]

consider q po yan. Thanks for watching

[@wilsa.wilson2755]

Sir gumagawa sa anak ko sa rizal bundok Siya yon tie beam Niya parang hagdanan.2 storey.salamat Po Kung may sasagot

[@GabsRomano]

Increase the section saka reinforcement po

[@guitareasy9274]

Tanong lang po sir pwd po ba ang tie beam ay kapantay ng flooring?tnx po

[@haroldmiranda6276]

Instead of tie beam pwedi rin floor beam lods

[@badong229]

sir ask kkolang po ano kaya mas maganda gamitin pag 3 storey building sya tas roof deck po. wall footing or footing tie beam po.

[@GabsRomano]

Footing tie beam po dapat.

[@maquepitogo7965]

Very informative

[@franciscotanjusay3249]

yan po ang inaabangan ko

[@filecategory6596]

Sir ok lang po ba na hindi crushed gravel yung nilagay sa footings and column namin? Sabi kasi ng iba pag hindi daw crushed gravel baka gumuho. Normal gravel po kasi nilagay doon sa amin may 3/4 may 1 inch may 2 inch minsan. Sana po masagot nyo. More power po sa channel

[@GabsRomano]

ok lang po kahit di crushed kc minsan di rin po un available, 3/4 sa poste, G1 sa footing

[@pab-bluztv4700]

Engr. Always bang lagyan ng tie beam para sa 2-3 storey ht. na bldg.? Kung lakihan nlang ang footing na total of 2m. bothways kung ang column spacing ay 6m distance?

[@johndavidpenaranda1609]

re structural eng. subjects should be in pilipino or native dialect

[@donlawrenceemmanuelclavano1346]

Magandang Araw po..Need pa po ba ng plinth beam ang 6x6 na 2 storey na bahay? Ongoing na po ang construction at May footing tie beam na po at floor beam sa 1st floor..salamat po sa sagot🙏

[@watchdogvlogtv2906]

Magandang araw po hingi lang po pako ng advice ibenenta po kase ng kapatid ko yung bahay nya ang nakita kopo walang poste putting tiebeam ang tawag nila interlock daw possible ba na pwede pang langyan ng poste at putting tiebeam

[@GabsRomano]

May gumawa npo nun, nagposte at tie beam ng panibago, merely partition nalang ang existing structure

[@AbuAndBella]

Tanong lang po, 2 story house, ang poste po ay 450x250, 4pcs na 16mm at 2pcs 12mm ang ginamit na bakal, 12mm sa stirup, kaso walang footing tie beam, wall footing lang po

[@GabsRomano]

Checking po ng slenderness ratio kung kailangan po talaga ng tie beam.

[@AbuAndBella]

@@GabsRomano thank you po 😀

[@pab-bluztv4700]

Hi engr. Tanong ko kung ang sukat ng lupa tayuan ng 2storey bldg. Ay 4x10 meters. Halimbawa magposte ako ng 6 ang distance 4m.x4m. at ang size ng poste ay 100mmx125mm tapos ang footing ay 1.50mx1.50x0.40m ang lalim ay 1.50m. ay need ba maglagay ng tie beams? Thanks

[@danielinocencio0711]

Thank you very much sa contributions niyo sir. I've always watched your informative videos. I'm an administrative pastor of our church and we planning to build our church building. Our lot area is 14m x 14m. The building we are planning is up to third level and the fourth is the roof deck. I have a question if you can please help us. Ground floor will have 4 columns near the center of the lot aside from 12 columns on the sides of the building. Pwede bang walang column sa gitna ng 2nd floor?, and yung third floor-flooring will be carried by the upper beams?, may columns sa gitna ng third floor na magdadala ng load ng flooring niya aside from the beams under the floor. Is it possible to have no columns (on the middle part) on the 2nd floor?

[@danzellangkit6099]

maingay ang music bacground

[@melaniebandol7397]

sir newbie po sa channel nu nababahala lang po kc ung bahay po namin 2 storey nakatayo na..pero wala pong tie beam,meron po xa palibot 12mm perilya,may magagawa pa po bang remedyo dun? sana po masagot nu po tanong qo maraming salamat po god bless ♥️

[@sabong23]

hi sir ask ko lang. Ano kaibahan ng zocalo at tie beam? nagpapagawa kasi ako ng bahay ngayon na bunggalow. Sabi nang arketek q d na daw sya mag lalagay ng tiebeam, zocalo lang daw. Nag ta.tie beam lang daw sya pag 2storey house. okay lang po ba yung zocalo?

[@madzkariks4216]

Hello po ask ko po kung need pa ng tie beam kapag 2 floors lang ipapagawa na bahay pero ung ilalim po kay garahe lang

[@GabsRomano]

Yes po kc more than 3.5-4m na poste. Have a great day

[@christiannecarlos632]

Meron po akong maliit na two storey house. 34.5 square meter kada floor with 9 na poste. may poste sa gitna. 5.5 m lang po ang lapad. wala po kasing division ang first floor kaya ang tie beam ko na 6 na 12 mm ay paikot lamang dun sa asintahan ng hollowblock at walang tie beam na nakacross sa gitna. Ok lang po ba iyon?

[@gerrydeleon1228]

Sir yun pong balkonahe nmin Yung flooring tinonbok sa wall Ng bahay tapos Yung kabila pinatong sa firewall may biga flooring pero Wala nmn poste diba dilikado sa lindol yun?

[@Rochelle2024-c1i]

boss may foundation ako ng 100cm tapos 160cm from land to floor beam,, 1floor lng yong bHay mataas lng ang posti kc d level sa kalsada ang lupa, ask ko lng pwd naba flient beam nlng or floor beam kahit wala ng tie beam.? Salamat

[@paulmichaelrobles9150]

Sir maraming Salamat po sa naiambag mong kaalaman sa larangan ng construction at least you have to advice Salamat pong muli Tatay " Lakay " Balangay ng NPJN Brgy. Kaypian Chapter SJDM Lalawigan ng Bulacan God Bless more on blessing to come take care your self and prey every day.. Tatay "Lakay"....

[@juliuscasanada3157]

gud eve sir! May naka abang po akong pagawaing bahay, flr area 6x6.50M. Sigle storie, high ceiling. Aabot ng 4.35 Mtrs ung taas ng kabilang side (may loft). Ask ko lng po kung pwede, yon side n lng n yon ang lagyan ng tie beam or pwedeng wala n din lng po. Salamat po n advance, God Bless!

[@robertrobles6551]

Ok lang po ba yung tie beam yung pinagkabitan naka dowel sa column, 4 na 16mm. Yung abang. 42 sqm po yung floor area. 9 yung poste. Hanggan 2nd floor slab. Ano po other option na pang remedyo?

[@GabsRomano]

ok po ung dowel as long as may bent or development length or tagusan po ung abang.

[@robertrobles6551]

@@GabsRomano maraming salamat po. Godbless!

[@jattv5231]

Pwede ba ako di mag tie beam poste na lang di naman po ako mag slab eh bubong lang ipatong q saka asinta

[@GabsRomano]

Kahit wall footing pag bungalow

[@jgjjinet7917]

sir kung 20x20feet two storey ilang poste dapat gamitin sir

[@annamaygarzo]

bakit po kaya sabi ng gumagawa ng bahay dito province namin..kahit wala daw po bem if 1-2 chb lang po ang elevated ng floor!?

[@annamaygarzo]

bongallo lang po ang house 30sqm

[@GabsRomano]

Mababa pa po kc height pag 1-2 layer lang then lalagyan pa ng dowels

[@annamaygarzo]

@@GabsRomano so ok na pla po kahit wala beam?

[@JoseVeloso-k9c]

Tama nga lahat ang sinasabi mo , nasa plano pa ! Eh kung ung mga bataan mo ay alahuy mag gawa ? Wala rin. Ikaw mismo mag bantay.

[@GabsRomano]

Feel q po yan

[@graceturno5816]

Sir kailangan paba ng tei beam Kong isang floor lng na bahay ang ipapagawa???

[@GabsRomano]

May video po aq dyan, bungalow po

[@parthosen9278]

Good informative video. Keep it up SIR. Love from India ❤️👍😁🙏

[@norainbagilad572]

maraming salamat po at meron akong natutunan sa vid mo

[@SeaCookieTv]

ang tie beam po engr.na nka welding po sa bakal ng poste pudy kaya yun for two storey with roofdeck

[@joaquintorresiii644]

Pwede po bang imbes na PLINTH BEAM sa FTB na kami magsimula gumawa ng wall?

[@myprivatespaceto]

Hello sir ask lang po nagpapa extend po kami ng rowhouse namin 5x3 papaislab at abang pang second floor po. Ginawan ng 4 na footing 1m or 1.5m deep at 6 na columns pero walang tie beam na nilagay. Ang ginawa nila ay 2 na re bar na nakatie connecting all footing at columns Ok lang po ba ito? Sorry po kung medyo magulo sa terms. Salamat po

[@briannapula9361]

Hello po, ang house namin ay 2 story xa. Ang first floor ay elevated at 3.5mx5.5m ang size tapos ang 2nd floor ay 7mx5.5 po ang size. Everytime na dumaan ang malaking truck nagsisway po ang bahay namin. Anu po ang problema non?

[@eivolarmada1747]

Sir my video content po b kyu sa raft foundation at mag kanu. Ung magagastos kung ito gagamitin para sa 4siorey house

[@merlitomixvlogs9979]

Maraming salamat sa pagbahagi ng videong ito sir nakakuha na naman ako Ng dagdag kaalaman maraming salamat po ingat palagi godbless

[@paolopablo5292]

Nice content sir. In my opinion, I think the proper term that we are avoiding in the column failure is "crippling". The term buckling might be an inappropriate term for use since it is just the highest load at which the column buckle. If the bending exceeds the buckle point, we called that crippling and that is the failure we are avoiding. Buckling is just the slightest bend that a column can handle base on the loads and that is safe.

[@erikagracebulaclac1141]

Great info sir. Ask ko lang, paano design kung malambot ang lupa below the tie beam na ibig sabihin parang suspended beam sya? Does it mean dalhin lahat ng tie beam yung load ng wall above it then itransfer nya sa columns which will eventually increase the size of the footings?

[@GabsRomano]

ung depth and size of footing will depend on the quality of the soil however ung tie beam is to lessen the unsupported length of column for slenderness ratio and resist lateral force.

[@MrAndy1961]

The farm house that we are going to construct ay may suspended flooring na 6 x 7 sq. m. ang loob ng bahay at may loft na 22 sq. m. Eto ay mayroong din na balcony sa harap na 8 x 4 sq. m. naman ang sukat. Giving this info, kailangan po ba mag lagay ng tie beam sa ilalim? Maligayang Pasko! Maraming salamat po ingat

[@vernbhynicolas1075]

Pde po b mag buhos n ng column hangang 2nd floor ng wla pang ground beam? For 3 storey po

[@mathnetwork3667]

Anong ibig Sabihin nang horizontal line sa elevation drawing na may indication na roof beam below at second floor line above. Tnx sa sagot.

[@jraevangelista4649]

Engr need parin po ba ng tie beam pag high ceiling bungalow? Anong diameter po ng deformed bar ang gagamitin at ilang piraso?thank you po

[@eltorobaka]

Sir,gawa ka ng video about sa tie beam na elagay sa existing na bahay.wala kasing tie beam ang unang bahay namin.thanks po.

[@ronalddacuba8857]

Sir pwede kaya ilagay ang footing tie beam sa ground mismo para hindi na maghukay at bawas trabaho dahil elevated naman ng 1 meter ang flooring ng bahay para iwas sa baha.

[@Zeeeymoto08]

sir. maraming salamat. engr. marami ako natutunan. my tanong po ako. sa 2 storey po. na my size na 5mx7.5m ilan po ang pwedeng poste at gaano ka layo ang pagitan . salamat po. sana mapansin nyo po.♥️♥️

[@haideesantilla1702]

Sir pwdi po ba wag na mag lagay nang ground beam, kung lalagyan nmn po nang floor beam, sana masagot nyo po ako, kung alin ang mas kaylangan ground beam or floor beam,, na mas makakatipid po sana ako sa beam

[@bongr.9248]

Sir ok lang ba nasa below Ground Floor location Tie beam instead jan sa drawing nyo na malapit sa footing?( for 2nd floor w/ roofdeck

[@GabsRomano]

Ok po sa below the ground, make sure na di nawawash out ung soil para mamaintain ung below level nya. GBU

[@precyestoye5989]

Dapat ay ipaliwanag mo in layman's term para ma absorb Ng gusto magpagawa Ng bungalow

[@zoilitosablan3404]

Bunggalo po ang bahay namin nais kong gawin 2nd floor paano pa mag reinforced ng mga colum. 100 sqm ang flr area. Salamat po god bless.

[@badongskyesguerrajrvlogs5714]

Good Evening sir! Sa poste may tie beam at may tie beam sa flooring mas ok po b yun sir dalawa? Thank you!

[@GabsRomano]

Ok po, with different functionality

[@paulinomacalalad2094]

Ser San ba dapat lagay Yung tie beam sa ilalim b o sa tapat ng floring

[@erso2236]

Boss sana mo mapansin po nyo ito. Anu po ba ang standard size ng poste para po 4thfloor n bahay. At anu po b ang mainam square or rectangle? And last po pano po putol ang bakal ng poste sagad sa sahig 1" lang po ang nakalitaw pwede p po b ito dugtungan para makapag 4thfloor po? Thnk u po

[@merryjenpeligro2913]

Mula po sa, pondasyun na mating Or,pluring sa mating, gaano kataas,bago tau mag tie beam?

[@johndaletolentino]

Tpos nang tiebeam need ba chb ppunta hangang sa flooring?

[@GabsRomano]

Yes, kung malalim ang tie beam pwede rin mag provide ng wall footing for chb.

[@johndaletolentino]

@@GabsRomano d ba pwde tie beam tpos mglagat nlg po nang floorbeam pra sa slab on grade?

[@jeffbeez2491]

Sir anu po ba ung standard na distansya ng footing tie beam mula sa ground level kung 1.5m ang lalim ng hukay? At ung plinth beam po ba optional n lng sa mga 2-3 storey bldg? Salamat po sir.

[@bientrinidad8364]

sir bale pag me ftg tie beam ba dina kailangan ng wall ftg

[@GabsRomano]

maari po, kung nilagay po nio sa pwesto ng supposed to be wall footing.

[@ismadd1990]

Sa drawing nyo sa buckling ng poste ay nasa ground line, Same din sa natanungan ko na structural Engineer na ang pinaka stress ng structure ay nasa ground line din. kay dapat dapat ay ang plinth beam ang mag serve as stiffiner.

[@ivhanrossburry5273]

Sir yung bahay ko kasi 2 storey pero ginamit Kong bakal sa poste apat12 mm at dalawang 10 mm 5x6 Ang sukat Ng bahay ko sir walanf tie beam delecado ba Yun sir

[@GabsRomano]

under design po. Thanks for watching

[@roeljacusalem94]

T.y sir marami n akong natutunan sau ... kaya ko ng i design ang 2 flr. Ko na bahay .....god bless po

[@jameslucaya6773]

Sir ask ko lang po kya pa po bang malagyan ng tie beam yung naka tayo ng bahay Wla ksing tie beam yung pina gawa Kong maliit n bahay Tnx po good blees

[@robertortega2506]

Sir pwede po ba 4 na size 12 lng bakal ng tie beam sa baba at 6 na size 12 sa taas

[@kamostospg2558]

Salamat po sa pagshare sir.,. Laking tulong po to sa amin ,. Bagong tagasubaybay mo

[@LocalElectricianPH]

Good day po sir. Ano po minimum depth at wide ng tie beam sir f 2nd floor house

[@GabsRomano]

Hello po, ung pinaka purpose po ng tied beam is to support the column when there is seismic force , wala po naka indicate na size ng footing tied beam saka nsa ground naman po cya , ako po kc ang gnawa q 20x30cm with 5-12mm dia. for 2 storey.

[@carlodeguzman8513]

Sir kelangan pa po bang lagyan ng tie beam pag bungalow lang

[@cyrelzhaine3003]

Napaka detailed po. Slab naman po, pang roofdeck ng 1st floor lang po

[@motourmykol4631]

Ngayon alam ko na sir ano gawin ko sa future house ko

[@gerryarias4449]

Idol paano po mg conick ng bakal sa kantohan ng beam

[@kaiserjonsalaver118]

Magandang umaga sir.. Yung bahay ko is nakatayo na.. Gusto ko palagyan ng roof deck.. Kalahati lng ng 60sqm..pwedi lng bah na poste nlng yung idagdag ko wala na tie beam..

[@GabsRomano]

need po ng actual visit for asbuilt . Thanks for watching

[@cezexploresvlogs]

Pano kung wala tie beam tapos ngayon dahil npanood ka na tsaka lalagyan ng tie beam aftrt ng footing. Pwede p ba un?

[@GabsRomano]

kailangan po na may makitang rebar pero need po ng extra careful pag maghahanap ng bakal para maprevent ung crack incase na mag chichiping po.

[@bossbeepane7434]

Salamat po sir sa kaalaman...importante po itong info para sa kagaya kong .. nagpaplanong patayo ng bahay na paunti unti.. shut out po sa Evergreen Shipping Line Jeddah KSA...

[@GabsRomano]

Have a great day and thanks for watching

[@marcelinochicojr.6147]

Npk detalyado ng paliwanang m.salamat

[@thundervolt8142]

Sir tanong qlang po,nag pagawa aq ng bahay noong 2015,First froor palang xa at may abang para sa second floor,ngayon po ay balak qna ipapagawa ang second floor, ang problema qpo ngayon ay wala palang nilagay na tie beam yong gumawa ng bahay q,papano po kaya ang gagawin q kc ipapagawa qna ang second floor?paki sagot naman po salamat po.

[@GabsRomano]

Check nio po kung saan pwede iconnect ang bakal sa tie beam. Pero need po ng actual visit ng professional para mas ok

[@sirdenstv9747]

new subscriber ..sir yung FTB ko ba ok lang na nakapatong sa footing ? mas ok po ba yun ? or kung nakaangat naman ano distance nya mula sa footing or from floor level ?

[@GabsRomano]

20-40cm below the ground , kahit di po masyadong malalim need parin po kc imaintain ung distance sa beam para sa unsuported column sir

[@normancapili5435]

Hir sir idol nice vid. Salamat sa information and more power. Question lang po. Planning to renovate bungalow to 2 storey, pero walang slab, ficem board lang ang flooring. Need paba footing tie beam? Ang kasi kung lagyan ng ftb mag bagbag ako ng ground floor. Salamat

[@GabsRomano]

Need po ng actual visit at kung maglalagay ng additional column might have the ftb there, tahnks for watching

[@rellyvelasco2204]

Sir kailangan po ba sa lahat ng division ng bahay ay may beam sa itaas or okay lang po ba kung cross beam lang example po aa 24 by 28 na bahay may 3nkwarto 1 cr living at kitchen ground floor lang po

[@GabsRomano]

Beam na nakadesign na may purpose lang, pero kung di naman required kahit stiffener lang na may c-type stirrups just to hold the wall. Thanks for watching

[@alvinbacani]

Very informative, Sir and distance po ng TIE beam to below 2nd Floor Beam is 5m, at wla aq Plinth beam, ok prin po ba yun?

[@noelaguerder8759]

Sir pwede na ba sa tie beam ko na e setting ang chb wall?

[@zachaxel4403]

If slope po ung lote na patatayuan sir kailangan ba ng tie beam? Or sa area lng na parehong patag ang lagyan lng ng tiebeam? Tnx

[@maryanngundran8039]

hello poh sir ask ko lng poh if ok lng n ang tie beam ay iisa lng nilagay ung tie beam s center ng bahay imbes n s palibot ng bahay bungalow lng ung house sire at 5x8 meters lng ang sukat ng bahay sana poh masagot nio poh salamat at GOD bless

[@GabsRomano]

Ok lang po basta bungalow, Thanks for watching

[@micabaguamulcagphil8881]

Pwede p po bng lagyan ng tie beam,wall footing lng xe nilagay bale 2 story po.nakatayo n ung poste slab hanggang roofbeam po.salamat

[@GabsRomano]

kung madaling hanapin ung bakal ok, pero ingat po bka madamage ung column. Thanks for watching

[@jms7003]

Sir good day tanong kolang po pag nagpagawa ng Bahay na may second floor kailangan ba may tiebeam.jms

[@GabsRomano]

Oftentimes pag chineck ang slenderness ratio eh mas economical na mag tie beam kesa palakihin ang size ng poste ang steel will follow because of that ratio

[@easyandhealthyrecipes175]

Ser yung part kung saan nagsalubong na ang bakal ng poste at tie beam, dapat po ba iwelding un o itali lang ng alambre sapat na?

[@GabsRomano]

consider po ung development or lapping length

[@reinieldazo619]

Sir, ask lang po ako. okay and safe ba yung tie beam na nakapatong lang sa natural ground? Tapos yung lalim ng footing ay 1.70m below natural ground.

[@GabsRomano]

Plinth beam npo tawag dun sir. Thanks for watching

[@joallancruz6737]

sir sa beam saan puedeng mag putol po ng buhos kung di kayang buhusan kc kulang ang porma. tnx po

[@GabsRomano]

May nagpuputol po sa support thinking na hati magkabila ang beam, pero kung ikoconsider ang moment diagram ng continuous Beam dapat between L/3 , pero pinakamaganda na monolithic dahil strutural member ng bahay ang beam

[@rommelrecasa8627]

Ok Sir? Talagang ok.. galing???

[@diobengacer2302]

Pwede po bang walang tie beam sa footing pag NASA rowhouse?

[@GabsRomano]

yes as long as 2 storey or mahaba ang unsupported length ng column, thanks for watching

[@gracia9683]

Sir yung lote ko po malalim sa left side lampas tao ang lapad nmn ay 2.5 meters Hindi po nilagyan ng tie beam anu po dapat gwin?

[@GabsRomano]

Need po ng actual visit. Thanks for watching

[@janthenasoy8366]

Sir ask lng kpg po 3 to 4 story na bahay. Kailangan din ng plinth beam every floor.? Tnx

[@GabsRomano]

ung plinth beam po above the gound lang po

[@aureliopilipinajr.8060]

Sir Gab, paano po ang footing at tie beam kung yung landscape at may elevation na 30 degrees?

[@GabsRomano]

sa lowest level po pinaka magandang kumuha ng tie beam then actual nalang sa ibang pwesto. Thanks for watching

[@enrilearaza7447]

Pwede ko po b add ku messger