Gaggia Classic Pro PID Install

[@tmb-themajesticbeanchannel1746]

Great job team Joe 👏😀

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Dude thank you so much means a ton coming from you

[@toliscy]

Is it the same procedure with mr shades kit?

[@moraesg00]

Hey man, is this the same process as the PID that you installed from Shades of Coffee? Im about to install it and I was wondering if I can use this video as a guide for the PID that I bought from Shades. Thanks!

[@toliscy]

@@moraesg00 this video serves as good guidance to understand how to remove the boiler to install the pid thermostat and how the brew relay is connected. I installed shades pid 2 months ago, if you read the directions carefully you cant go wrong. It takes many hours but it's worth it 👌

[@Halum11]

Your dad looks like he could be your brother. Great job!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@Halum11 he definitely loves that

[@yitbitw]

Man.. you just gave me the confidence to install the PID myself. Thanks so much!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

No problem glad my dad and I could help

[@JoeyVaracalli]

hope this helps people out. this is what I would consider the easiest follow along pid install. remember do this at your own risk and your warranty will surely be void after doing this.

[@Jessiejam-44]

You GUYS are Killing Me!!! Using channel locks and Needle nose pliers to tighten things. It’s a 17 mm and probably a 10 mm wrench you need.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah we unfortunately lost my dads tool set the week we were recording but luckily nothing is very tight

[@Stevesbe]

That's engineering for ya

[@Amariths1]

Even though i am not installing the auber pid kit, this installation has been helping me install the shade of coffee pid alot easier. So thank you i just need to figure the steam attachment myself lol

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah no problem they are very similar installations…. Glad I can help out a fellow cofffee friend

[@nathancharlesworth8133]

Hi, how much different was the Shades install? I will be doing mine shortly so it would be helpful if you could highlight the differences!

[@Amariths1]

@@nathancharlesworth8133 Honestly almost word for word jus excluding the steam attachment that I found out you really don't need. And wiring to the pid I just you the book provided to figure out

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@nathancharlesworth8133 almost zero difference unless you got the one to control the steam temp as well

[@danjv]

Thenks Joe, this is a really great teaching. Here's a shout out to your dad for his help. I have been on the fence for about a year deciding about this mod. Been leaning towards doing it and this video tipped the balance. Temperature surfing can be a little hit or miss so this seems to be the way to go. Update, I finally pulled the trigger and ordered the Auber PID for my GCP.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

He appreciated the shout out. And I’m glad this video was useful for u

[@danjv]

That's nice, please wish him a Happy Father's Day!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@danjv I did I’ll even let him know that you also wished him a happy Father’s Day I’m sure he will be excited to hear that

[@chopsonyou2007]

Nice video.. i saw some people saying this took them many hours to figure out with just the manual so this really helps

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah that’s why I made it… if you just use this video you can cut the time in half or more

[@threehanded8853]

Thank You!! I completed everything today: cut opv spring, lamp dimmer switch on right side in front of steam knob, installed manometer on front right, moved Gaggia logo left, setup xmt7100 for 2 relays, pulled a perfect shot, and I now know the pressure is at 8.5 bar. You helped a lot!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Wow that’s amazing send some pics on instagram.

[@threehanded8853]

@@JoeyVaracalli There will be more but here’s a quick scan, kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWa1m6eqormkjJI

[@sanjaya718]

Thank you! I bought the Auber PID kit awhile ago and have been planning to carve out some time to install it. Your great video gave me confidence to do it.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I’m glad it helped :)

[@IwanBronkhorst]

Thanks, this was a perfect guide for me!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Thanks 🙏 appreciate the kind comments :)

[@tomroeder7348]

You've earned by sub! Nice video, I've seen other guys say it took them 5-10 hours to complete the PID install and I couldn't imagine why it took so long. I see what it involves now, and it looks like about a 1 hour job, soup to nuts. I REALLY like the color of your machine as well. I got the stainless model, and every time I see someone with anything other than stainless, it makes me wish I would have gotten a color. Nice work!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Thanks Tom I agree it’s really not that long of a job especially if you have a. Nice walk through. I will say I can see how it would take some folks a long time if you were just going off the written manual

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Here's a cheap mod you will LOVE. It's called a can of spray paint, and it works great for changing the color your Gaggia.

[@chriskvikstad4980]

I also chose the stainless steel finish for mine last year. About 2 months after I bought mine they released the EVO Pro model with a variety of new colors. I just completed the OPV spring mod with the 9 bar spring (the kit I bought came with 5 and 6 bar springs as well) and I'm going to do one of these Gaggiuino PID mods soon. If I decide to change the exterior finish color, I would remove all of the hardware and switches and then either do an automotive vinyl wrap to match the red color of my Eureka Mignon Specialita grinder, or I would have it powder coated. A small surface area like this wouldn't be too much with either application. My Italian woodfire pizza oven has a beautiful yellow powder coated finish, so that could also be a fun color to try to match.

[@hittemni]

WOW, thanks a lot, have a PID sitting in the cupboard waiting to be installed the next holiday and this video just made my day!! Thanks a lot!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

No problem ryu I really appreciate the kind words. I hope this helps a bunch when you go to install

[@GeorgeSladkovsky]

Great video! Was planning on getting a PID as well. Very handy to see the entire process like that.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

No problem George glad to provide a handy guide to people

[@TheKazekwok]

Thank for full and detail complete guide. Now I can make some changing on gaggia

[@JoeyVaracalli]

you are very welcome. yeah its a must have on this machine

[@ryanlevi6992]

Hey Joe, I just acquired a Gaggia Classic w/ mod installed and would like to see a video on how to program it. There's an old Seattle Coffee Gear video, but I think an updated tutorial would be helpful. Thank you.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Ohhhh sure that’s no problem. What set up are you looking for. Does it have the shot timer on yours?

[@nikivan]

Thanks for sharing. I am a bit concerned about the wires being routed through the narrow cut without any protection. With time, the wire isolation could get damaged (from the pump vibrations) and that will cause all kinds of trouble.

[@nicovelez5061]

Great video, It helped me out so much. My only issue is that there's a water leak on the steam wand right below the clip is. Any idea on how to fix this?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

That I’m not sure of unfortunately I haven’t had this machine for alittle while either so that doesn’t help my memory of it….

[@billyvonhein3205]

Really good video! Just got my Gaggia the other day so will be doing this before long.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Awesome Billy if you have any questions or need help let me know.

[@Micahspielman]

very helpful video, thank you!! I'm currently working on mine and flipping back and forth between the instructions and this video. I noticed you plugged in both thermostat wires into the SSR whereas the instructions say to plug one in and the other from the steam thermostat. Is there a reason you didn't do this? And If I were to do this, how much more complicated would it be?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Sorry this was from awhile ago. I don’t think it would make a difference unless you got the model that has the timer built in then I’d say do what the instructions say

[@cirrusmcgoat6272]

Kudos to your badass Gaggia modder dad. You're alright too I guess

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Hahahahahaha thanks he had never done it before. But I had a feeling he would be good at it. We use to do electrical stuff like this when I was a kid

[@sevenohnine]

Thanks Dad!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah super nice of him to help on this one I don’t think I could have made it as easy to follow without him

[@rockretroing]

Thanks for taking the time to make this video! Where can one get thermal grease? Is it similar to thermal paste? To make sure I got it, the following tools are all you needed? Philips screw driver Flat-head screw driver Long nose pliers Wire cutter (or scissors) Electrical tape

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah you nailed it. Yeah you can use thermal paste it’s one in the same

[@brunomello7499]

hey! by thermal paste you mean the same that we use on computers?

[@rabendranath]

Hi! First of all thank you very much for this great video. I have a couple questions though: How much longer does this process take if I want to control the steam temp in this workflow? And how much does the process shown here changes when considering adding the steam control?

[@Cjmink47]

it's a single boiler machine , no?

[@rabendranath]

@@Cjmink47 Right, it's a single boiler machine. Finally I hired a technician to do the work for me. I don't have the skill, knowledge, patience or time to spend on this mods myself 😅 I work long hours!

[@mikejason3822]

Very nice video! Thanks. It is even better if you can show the functions/features that this PID enabled. Also, there are two thermo stats right? Does this mod improve the steam as well?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

It helps time the steam way easier since peak temp is around 300 to 320. You can buy a pid that controls both but i didn’t care all that much.

[@ChrisDavis-lv6gf]

Thank you for this! You actually helped me decide not to try this, I'm afraid I'll break something because I'm just not that handy. I'll buy a machine with a PID from the factory.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

There yeah go great idea

[@TomNavesink]

Great video, thanks! Question: are all of the wires, wire,connectors, bolts and lubrication included in the kit?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

They sure are :)

[@---ny4ys]

im debating buying one of these kits or just farming out the parts. probably a lot cheaper to just buy the loose goods

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Way cheaper to farm out

[@---ny4ys]

@Joe Varacalli yeah I saw. 50 bucks or so all in. I have some scrap thermostat wire and terminals so probably less than that

[@Funchemistry]

Great video, I liked and Subscribed. Can I use this procedure to add and wire PID to Expobar leva office machine?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah it’s probably very similiar wiring but some things may be slightly diffrent

[@Funchemistry]

@@JoeyVaracalli thank you

[@andrewrubin3356]

Joe-- great video! Subscribed! Assuming it worked right after install? Did you review in a later video? And did you program a temp offset due to the loss of heat from the boiler to the group head? Thanks!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yes I programmed the offset because of that exact reason. Thanks for the sub. Here’s my review video kzbin.info/www/bejne/jn69Y5-lpp1rlZo

[@briangurka8085]

Thermal paste all over lmao nice work though I will be following this guide

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Awesome 👏 glad it can get some use

[@thomasdaley3709]

Did the RTD and Relay come with the PID package? And, what values did you set for your gain, integration and derivative? Usually derivative is set to zero. Or, did you just use the factory settings?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I used all factory settings from auber. They tune them for specific machines . The relay did come with it

[@Millilitree]

I got a question ! Why you guys switch the connections at the on/off button ? Isn't the 240v L/N use to power the PID only?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

It’s a 120v if it was 220 then it wouldn’t matter

[@LucyGoose-d5h]

If my PID case is not metal (3D printed) and doesn’t have a screw hole to connect the ground wire to what else could I connect that wire to?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I think you could connect it to the frame of the machine

[@OneAnonymous-l6t]

​@JoeyVaracalli How would that help if the purpose of ground wire is to ground the PID. As for the rest of the machine there's already two grounding wires.

[@ArshesNei8]

Great video. Have you installed a Gaggiuino ? If so how was that like?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I have not done one of those sorry

[@tomroeder7348]

Did you have a hard time getting your lid back on? Mine was hitting the SSR, and nothing I did would change that. My lid is...back on...but it's not right. I may need to relocate that SSR, did you have troubles?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I did not have any issues putting the lid back on. It’s not a wire or something pushing up on it

[@emilhajric-helpjuice]

How did you put the retaining pin back? Tried many times and all fail :(

[@JoeyVaracalli]

It wasn’t to hard for us just kind popes back on

[@ritwikjs]

it always amazed me that a $500 machine never came with any gauges, pressure temperature, nothing

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@ritwikjs yeah it’s kinda dumb

[@jnleduc]

Hey thanks for the good video! I have 2 questions: 1) When piggybacking the power leads from the power switch, why did you swap the connectors up and down? 2) Why did you place a jumper in the PID? Thanks! ~J

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Has to do with how the power goes back to the pid I can remember exactly to be honest but it’s definitely necessary. The jumper was recommended by the distributor in the directions from auber I’m not sure what that controlled

[@armaanpasha5865]

Can i use this to install my pid which i got from shades of coffee?;

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@armaanpasha5865 it should be mostly fine double check the Instructions with the shades of coffee though as you go through

[@armaanpasha5865]

@@JoeyVaracalli thanks so much

[@mrg3881]

Does rex c100 work in these gaggias? I've installed it step by step as you described and the temp sits at 25-28...very frustrating it doesn't work

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I’m not familiar with Rex c100. Did you install the Auber pid or some other one

[@sumedhraina3820]

How do I pull the retaining pin without pliers?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I’m not sure maybe a hook of sorts might work

[@johnmarkharris]

Great video, I'm doing this this afternoon! Also, are you vampires? Y'all look like you could be brothers...

[@richardcramer8311]

Lol

[@V3n0m151]

Great video and very helpful! Is this the Auber PID without the preinfusion? If so does this also control your steam temperature and let it maintain a certain temperature similar to the brew temp?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yea the steam pressure is way more amazing if your someone who likes milk based drinks this is a massive upgrade…. It’s the amber pid without preinfusion but the install is the same from my understanding

[@ryanlevi6992]

@@JoeyVaracalli FYI, the Auber PID with preinfusion does include the steam temperature function as well.

[@V3n0m151]

Thanks for the help gents! I am looking at the Preinfusion model so that I can have control of the steam as well. This was a great video with tons of helpful information 👍

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@V3n0m151 no problem. The install should be virtually the same from my understanding

[@V3n0m151]

@@JoeyVaracalli that would be great. I think its the same times two. I believe the kit comes with two thermometers and two SSRs. Im excited to install and take it for a spin.

[@evakeizers9670]

Definately.a skilled technician is needed to.the job perfectly.

[@naps1saps]

Easier to take out the boiler if you unscrew the steam wand from the boiler instead of trying to take off the wand itself.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Not a bad idea

[@naps1saps]

@@JoeyVaracalli Just make sure you don't destroy the heater connector. Mine was barely tighter than finger tight. The gasket does the work so you don't need it super tight

[@RafaelDioli]

Is it possible make this mod on the delonghi dedica too?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

I don’t believe so. The dedica is a much more complex machine on the inside since it runs on a thermoblock. I believe it already has pid built in you just can’t change the temp

[@salomonpena3571]

Do you know why my rtd sensor looks different than the one in the video? Mine has no threads instead has a silver top with black bottom.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

That’s very strange not sure why it’s different. Is yours from auber

[@salomonpena3571]

@@JoeyVaracalli is this for the EU model?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@salomonpena3571 no usa

[@salomonpena3571]

@@JoeyVaracalli that's probably it just ordered the right part appreciate the help 👍

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@salomonpena3571 no problem at all

[@albertogonzalez01]

In case of the model of 2012 gaggia classic is any difference? Tku great video

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah the big difference is the steam wand. The new one is more traditional then the old panarello style

[@albertogonzalez01]

@@JoeyVaracalli tku and sorry for my bad English, I mean if there is any difference in the pid installation between the gaggia classic pro and the gaggia classic 2012 model, once again great video and great advice tku for share your experience with all the noobs around the world.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@albertogonzalez01 no it’s the same the only difference would be if you had the euro model since it has a different on off switch

[@albertogonzalez01]

@@JoeyVaracalli tku my friend and hope to see your videos again. Greetings from merida yucatan

[@SanJoseDale]

Great video Joe, this is most helpful. I was curious which grinder you use for your Gaggia Classic? A few of the suppliers I contacted are telling me to spend up to $1000 for a grinder, twice the price of the Gaggia!

[@JoeyVaracalli]

No I don’t have to do that… it’s silly. I have used many grinders if you like single dosing the df64 is great especially if u upgrade to ssp burrs but it’s also great as is. You can do something like the baratza sette 270 which I love especially if you get the wi only down side is it’s a bit loud. If you are in Europe I think the eureka mignon specialita is pretty dang good as well.

[@SanJoseDale]

Thanks, I’m in the US, not come across this DF64 grinder, will check it out

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@SanJoseDale here’s my review kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooG7foJmZ79rrsU

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Anybody know of any PID mods for something like a Mr. Coffee?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Like a mr coffee pot?

[@toliscy]

Is this the same procedure with mr shades kit? I would much rather watch a video walk through than going through 80+pages....

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah identical pretty much unless you get the one that controls steam temp as well

[@toliscy]

@@JoeyVaracalli thank you for the reply and the video. Great content 👌

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@toliscy no problem

[@rjejames28]

Did you set up the steam wand on the pod so you could have individual temp control? I didn't see that in the video or I missed it. I'm planning on doing that to run a hotter temp for steaming but not sure how to do it.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Yeah you can see another thermostat connected to the boiler I did not do that because the steam boiler hits over 300 degrees f so with a pid you can see when it hits that temp then start steaming

[@rjejames28]

@@JoeyVaracalli thanks

[@threehanded8853]

Damian Witonski demonstrates here how to remove internal ssr of an xmt7100 PID, and connect the second relay of a modified PID and test it: Remake - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYrQZ5t6hdannaM Original - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6jNZqKOocSqoZI

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@threehanded8853 no I did not wire it that way but you can it’s not that difficult

[@Smellslikegelfling]

Can I do this while the machine is still plugged in?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

Please don’t that is a very bad idea

[@geofftech]

When you're working with the power switch you're actually working around US main voltage of 120V direct from the power outlet. So yeah REALLY DON't DO THAT! Un plug it before installation.

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@geofftech yes yes

[@cmsense8193]

Why would you?

[@JoeyVaracalli]

@@cmsense8193 yeah I’m not sure why you would just unplug it….. it can’t take more then 10 seconds

[@techwithjordan]

All that work and you didn’t even brew coffee

[@gregklugiewicz5037]

Confusing explanation over which power connection to use ( top/bottom, etc.) , Watch and listen to your discussion . This is not helpful.