Game Lessons From Collecting Fragrances

[@scp2539]

"Expensive doesn't necessarily mean good." This can be a hard lesson to learn for some people, and some refuse to learn it.

[@CainOnGames]

A comment from an SCP anomaly...and Euclid class! I am honored and terrified.

[@wesss9353]

I heard that in Walmart tire section. Just because the tire is expensive, doesn't mean it's good in the Snow

[@crystalz-h1d]

True. Expensive fragrances are sometimes expensive because they are made out of rare materials and not because they are necessarily the best.

[@Coufu]

Haha I love it when people get giddy and excited about a topic I know nothing about. Their joy makes me feel joy. Happy fun Friday!

[@Rietto]

Came for the game theory, stayed to learn about fragrances.

[@lookalivebrett]

This video healed a bit of my soul. People liking things is wonderful!

[@crystalz-h1d]

Fellow frag-head? I never thought I could love Tim more 🔥

[@MaxRubenacker]

my favorites of your videos are where you talk about other interests and how all those feed back into games and other art

[@Hallgrenoid]

I didn't come here for fragrance lore but I'm all here for it. An interesting topic to my own surprise! But then again, I could listen to Tim DESCRIBE the evolving appearance of paint as it dries and I'd still be all ears.

[@madness1931]

I cannot agree enough with the whole body chemistry thing. I mostly stick to the same bottle, only ever changing when it becomes out of stock. With my usual scent, I often get asked what I'm wearing. Then I get people complaining to me that the bottle they purchased, they didn't like, despite it being the same thing. It kinda sucks because the bottle (converted to USD) costs about $100.

[@leilao.3528]

I’m a signature-scent kind of person, rotating between the same 2 or 3 perfumes for close to a decade now (coco Chanel, Dior’s Diorissimo or a similar jasmine fragrance and Tom Ford in the square bottle if they have a new release in my taste). But fragrance in relation to video games, I enjoy candles inspired by game characters and locales. Something cool about imagining what these people, creatures and places smell like 😊

[@aliboy]

Really enjoyed this fragrance discussion, Tim! As someone into both gaming and fragrances, I noticed an interesting parallel - you talked about different fragrance brands, but have you explored specific perfumers' work? Just like how we follow game developers across different publishers, some perfumers have distinctive styles that show up across different houses. Speaking of industry insights, there's a fascinating book called "The Ghost Perfumer" by Gabe Oppenheimer that reveals the behind-the-scenes world of perfumery. It's about perfumers who, similar to some game developers, created iconic works but didn't get recognition for years - would be right up your alley given your industry experience! Since you mentioned enjoying mossy scents, I'd recommend checking out Rogue Perfumery's Mousse Illuminee. And if you're into green fragrances, both Zoologist King Cobra and Comme des Garcons Serpentine capture amazing verdant atmospheres.

[@CainOnGames]

Thanks for the tips! I’ve had several Zoologist fragrances, and I really liked Seahorse. I don’t think I tried King Cobra.

[@xneverknowsbest]

Man, Coty made a CHEAP fragrance in the 90s called Avatar. Loved it, used it through high school. Was looking for it later on in my 30s, and the prices skyrocketed, because it had a similar profile to a very expensive and popular fragrance. Found a bottle for $60 on ebay (risky purchase I know) and ugh instant nostalgia. Used 98% of the bottle, and kept the last bit just to get a whiff every now and then. Even went through a couple of fragrance revival/replication businesses to try and get it at a somewhat more reasonable price. They get close, but its just not quite there. I should get into discovery sets. Was using scentbox for a couple years, but I think I need more randomness to truly explore the fragrance world. Great advice. Thanks for the videos brother

[@jacobmcnatt]

Alright, we're gonna need an alt channel just for 'Cain on Fragrances' content. I could actually watch this for hours. Happy New Year, Tim!

[@KahlAlphOrkius]

It's enjoyable to learn things about people that aren't part of how you know them. It's even more fun when you can feel their passion about it. This was an entertaining side quest, Tim. Keep up the great work!

[@Jak132619]

Love these videos that you do, very educational. Since your chocolate video I've been really getting into dark chocolate. Every time I do my weekly shop I buy up most of my new favourite flavours of lindt dark chocolate (mint, orange, 70%, and waffle).

[@danielkrohn4980]

I adore that Tim is talking about this! I collect historic scents. 4711, farina 1709, aqua d'parma. I really recommend hove. They're a perfumier in New Orleans that does smells that "evoke" the city. I love their Louise Quatorze. It smells like a smoky bele epoch saloon.

[@spudd86]

My favourite thing I know about aftershave is that Old Spice was intended to be a women's fragrence. I'm not sure how much it's cultural, but that is one of the most masculine smells I can think of.

[@CainOnGames]

I didn't know that about Old Spice, but it's amazing to think of how transitory some things are that we think of as cultural bedrock.

[@Anubis1101]

I'm not usually one for fragrances, but I visited a shop in Phnom Penh, Cambodia called Scents d'Angkor that had a lot of really interesting things. I in particular remember they had a good sandalwood. If you're ever in the area, maybe see if they're still around!

[@EtherealHaunting]

I feel Tim probably anticipated he would talk more about how things relate to gaming, but got distracted and carried away talking about fragrances instead. Still, interesting stuff!

[@ghoulthebraineater]

@@EtherealHaunting I noticed that too. One brief connection between indie and AAA games and fragrance prices and then just pure geek out mode. I love it.

[@adgd]

Oh I was hoping on a surprise Outer Worlds 2 video 🤣

[@wesss9353]

Saw an Outer World 2 video a week ago on ign

[@ErikShaferFaelor]

It's Fun Friday!

[@pavx45]

Trailer at the game awards looked so good I love the humor

[@ashuggtube]

This was such a delightful video - thank you Tim!

[@PerfectAlibi1]

Anyone else here who hates it when someone's fragrance lingers for over 5-10 minutes after they left?

[@hillehai]

Especially when their fragrance of choice is "a$$ sweat"...

[@AVkid]

Or when you can smell them before you can see them?

[@lastdayer101]

That's what my dungeon is for. Now they can never leave.

[@PerfectAlibi1]

@@lastdayer101 In real life?

[@lastdayer101]

@PerfectAlibi1 you'd like it.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Nice! I love the original Issey Miyake stuff. Thanks for the video!

[@adamc117]

I spy Bleu de Chanel Tim, good choice.

[@AmbushEveryone]

Bleu is a great sent. Have you tried Chanel's Egoiste platinum?

[@BetterScam]

Such a great timeless classic. Probably one of the best price per value on the market

[@drew_echo]

Do you have any suggestions for fragrances in open office floorplans where desks are packed together? I always end up using scentless aftershave / deodorant because I worry it would be distracting to people sitting next to me since I don't have a closed office room. Even with a low projection, the proximity between the desks is rather close.

[@CainOnGames]

I like scents from the 4711 line, as most of them are both lightly scented and low projection. If you want to explore other brands, look for reviews that call the fragrance a “skin scent”, which means it stays very close to the skin and barely projects at all.

[@Zenaltra]

Thank you for this, it's a lot of helpful information. I was recently helping my niece pick out some fragrances, and came across one that I really liked - but I ended up not liking it after a half hour or so. I figured maybe they just weren't for me in general. I've now ordered some samples of Zoologist because they sound interesting to me. Hoping one of them works for my body chemistry.

[@scherrer.mp4]

4711 is THE cologne. Cologne literally got it's name from Water from Cologne No. 4711. It's so old even Napoleon used it! And is one of my first conscious entries into to the world of perfumes too!

[@wesss9353]

Office Cologne wars

[@justanobody0]

this world of fragrances that Tim lives in, is a world I never lived in although I like the bazooka joe reference lol (terrible comics with the gum) something as a kid I thought was really cool, but was rare, was some magazines, or stickers (I think) or rare various products had scratch and sniff elements to them it definitely felt like a special feature when something included them also, as a kid in the 90s, some marker sets smelled amazing lol I really think there was a set of markers that were supposed to smell like things, I think mainly fruit (and like I think I remember a picture of an orange on one of the markers for example)

[@shadowdeku6926]

I did a double take when I saw this video. I wouldn't have expected two of my most cherished hobbies to collide in such a fashion! I don't suspect you would like Amouage, my favorite fragrance house, as their compositions largely center on incense and resins, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. Fragrance is a wonderful thing. 💚

[@Toromboloize]

You can use the word Fougere to describe grassy, mossy, ferny fragrances. Like Green Irish Tweed. Some other notes I appreciate in fragrances are vetiver (Haitian Vetiver, this is very refined and distinguished...think The Most Interesting Man in the World) and tobacco (odd because I LOATHE cigarettes but the earthy smell of non-smoked cigars makes me think of an old study or den...kind of liminal in some way).

[@leilao.3528]

I commented earlier but I’m so fascinated by the size of your collection, I can’t stop thinking about it lol I wanted to ask 1) if you ever find yourself running low on a specific fragrance, do you save it for collection purposes, run and get a replacement or let it run out and move on? 2) can you recognize a scent without looking at the label, kinda how you can with chocolate? 3) how do you organize your fragrance cabinet? By brand? By notes? By bottle shape?

[@nuodso]

I love being in healthcare because fragrances are forbidden at the workplace, they give me pre-migraine, I start seeing flying balls of light and everything.

[@PedroGomes-cx7ku]

Huh I never thought about that but it makes sense. I remember when I was a kid I was travelling with my mom and her friend, and the latter had some really, really strong (and sweet) fragrance that actually made me sick. Who would've thought that something that is supposed to smell good can have that effect lol.

[@stuartmorley6894]

There's a chain of shops in the UK called Lush and they sell eco friendly bath bombs, bubble baths and perfumes amongst other smell related products. My wife loves their stuff, and on its own any one product smells good. But going into one of their shops, especially the less ventilated ones, is an almost instant smell related migraine. When I was younger strong perfumes and aftershaves would give me a niggly pain but man that shop is like someone sticking a nuke directly in my brain.

[@thebolas000]

Unfortunately patients aren't required to follow the no fragrances rule. I've had several that used a bottle of Axe instead of a shower.

[@nuodso]

@@thebolas000 In patient my friend, you only see them during rounds.

[@Gungrave123]

@@thebolas000 Axe is not a fragrance, its a deodorant.

[@el_arte]

Outer Worlds 2? Most old school intro ever!

[@stinger822]

Sounds like you have a Smell-O-Vision in the making with all those scents.

[@thespider7898]

I really liked candies for men, it was sandlewood with lilac and citrus. It smells great with my body chemistry, but sadly its discontinued now

[@SirJordzy]

I love this cologne adidas had called “deep energy,” it’s been discontinued for like almost a decade but I love it so much I pay stupid prices on eBay to stock up😢. It has an amazing like Texas cedar, amber, musk fragrance with hints of orange , bergamot, and some lavender and apple

[@Gungrave123]

Hi Tim, check Serge Lutens, especially anything that has Christopher Sheldrake as the nose.

[@sesimie]

O a fellow frag-ger! Sauvage (bergamot notes) changed my life! I found Aqua di Gio did not last too long in the tropics. (the sillage was good though) I'm going to collect more once the finances get better. I've also appreciated the bottle design which affects my love of potion bottles design in video games. Try out some oud ( arabic woods) and misk ( musk) variants and you will enter a vast vast world of possibilities lol!

[@magikarpg]

I don't really wear fragrances nowadays but when I did my favourite was Midnight Rain by La Prairie. I still have the empty bottle cause it's so pretty haha

[@demitreburger707]

Weirdly fascinating video

[@Skiad-OpsGash]

Now I need a Mortismal Smelling channel.

[@hfabian17]

Id recommend jaguar pace by jaguar. Super cheap and it smells very clean like you just got out of the shower

[@Gadzinisko]

As a fellow usually bearded man, I also don't have much use for aftershaves. But I enjoy beard oils :> They smell nice and make the beard feel nice.

[@pavx45]

Tim, The Outer Worlds 2 trailer looks SICK were you involved in it or it was a hand off ? To me it was the best trailer at the game awards by far

[@CainOnGames]

Thanks. That was the team working with Buddha Jones again, the same ad agency we used with the first game. I attended some of the meetings for it, just to see the other pitch variants. There were some great ones, but this one was the best.

[@Nope-ity-nope-nope]

Hey Tim! Would you please detail narrative requirements? What I mean is, if I want to target a 40 hour rpg, how much dialog should be written? Is there a standard for pacing like 10 minutes play, 2 minutes dialog? Should there be a cap to how much optional "flavor" dialog is available? And any related insight you might have. Thanks for all you do!

[@CainOnGames]

I don’t feel that I’m a good enough or experienced enough narrative designer to answer your questions.

[@Nope-ity-nope-nope]

@@CainOnGames Bummer! Do you recommend another channel or books?

[@CainOnGames]

@@Nope-ity-nope-nope None, sorry. It's outside my wheelhouse.

[@armadilloseller]

Tim have you tried any Oribe products? Silver Pearl and their signature shampoo are two of the greatest fragrances I've smelled, and have gotten me more compliments than anything else I've worn (Tobacco Vanille is a close third)

[@rusty_from_earth9577]

The Macy's story is giving me Ron Burgundy's Sex Panther flashbacks

[@EvilMcBadguy]

4711 is a solid choice.

[@pitchforker3304]

Today I realized you can't smell KZbin videos.

[@BetterScam]

For me, probably the best fragrances I ever tried/had are MFK (I esp love A la Rose - homme). Expensive, but better than all the Tom Fords, Creed and others in that price range. Try it if you haven’t.

[@DeadlyCereal]

Tim please appear on The Perfume Nationalist podcast with Jack Mason

[@ghoulthebraineater]

Thoughts/recommendations on beard oils? I also have beard so aftershave is just not a thing for me.

[@CainOnGames]

I’m a huge fan of Uppercut Beard Balm.

[@ghoulthebraineater]

@CainOnGames thanks!

[@zhulikkulik]

Hi, Tim Do you ever feel like games lost that element of "what if"? I noticed recently that playing some modern games I quickly get disappointed by the answer to that question, often even knowing the answer before asking it. Yet I keep asking it anyway. What if I use double jump here to climb up the building? What if I literally "throw that can" that I was asked to pick up?

[@yessopie]

11:34 they should have called it Basoux Qu'a J'eau

[@markototev]

What Replica is that in the top left? Recently got Jazz Club and I love it. My most recent mini-obsession is Amore Caffe, the first gourmet fragrance i got for BF. It's not a beast mode though.

[@CainOnGames]

Lazy Sunday Morning

[@markototev]

That's a nice one, only had a sampler of it but it fits the name perfectly. Didn't strike me as strong and projecting one though, but as you say - it's different on different skin.

[@wangtoriojackson4315]

Hey Tim, I have a question. What are do you think the chances are of Temple of Elemental Evil ever getting a Steam release? I would love to play it, and I know it's available on GOG, but I just like getting Steam achievements and building a game collection that is all in one place. I would snap it up in a second if it ever gets a Steam release, but if you think that is very unlikely to happen, I might just go ahead and get it on GOG.

[@ashuggtube]

It's also worth watching the videos "The Temple of Elemental Evil I Troika Games Retrospective" (kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYTRfK15iaaeZ5Y) and "Temple of Elemental Evil and the Mods that Saved It" (kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXzMm5djltN6pJo) in my opinion.

[@wangtoriojackson4315]

@@ashuggtube Thanks! I will check those videos out.

[@armadilloseller]

Timothy Fragrance

[@emanuelesangregorio8943]

Etat libre d'orange ?

[@kakekikoku537]

Have you tried the lattafas?

[@nolanjlapos]

Hey Tim, what was the second rain scent that you mentioned in the video you liked better than Demeter?

[@CainOnGames]

Clean Rain

[@nolanjlapos]

@CainOnGames thank you!!

[@TheMeatMan69420]

this video made me buy 2 new colognes

[@PeepleusIncognito]

TIL I am a third tier fragrance wearer haha! just joking, great video Tim!

[@Notemug]

Newbie question: on the whole, how long do perfumes last? As in best before? What's the longest you have used a bottle?

[@CainOnGames]

I have a bottle from 2005 that still smells great, but I have one from four years ago that has changed. I think some of the "all-natural" ones change a bit over time (for better or worse), but keeping them out of sunlight and high heat helps too.

[@AnnCatsanndra]

Why are there pretty much no games that heavily rely on a character's sense of smaell when smelling things is seemingly a universal experience?

[@CainOnGames]

Year ago, a salesperson came by Interplay to show a "scent peripheral", which you attached to your computer. It could make scents on command, and they wanted to know if we would make our games work with it. I was working on Stonekeep code, so I started up the game and loaded the sewer level. "You want to smell this?", I asked.

[@TheMeatMan69420]

tim your videos are so fuckin good

[@hillehai]

Wait... but what about the video games?

[@ubemusic8140]

Hello, is there a way I can contact you?

[@dempa3]

Tim, would you know a good "fresh laundry" type of fragrance?

[@CainOnGames]

There are three scents in the Clean line that remind me of laundry: Rain, Soap, and Warm Cotton.

[@dempa3]

@@CainOnGames Thank you very much for your reply! I'll definitely check them out! I'm learning interesting things about everything from game development, and professional relationships, to chocolate and fragrances through your wonderful channel! Once again, thank you!

[@Scottengelwalker]

TimothyFragrance

[@theazhang997]

So, xbox game pass, is kinda game Sampler??

[@Srchenko]

Does your dog recognize you when you wear different fragrances? Hehe.

[@MrKite_]

Do you think that the fact that you are colorblind have something to do with your fragrances obsession?

[@CainOnGames]

As in one sense is diminishing so another is heightening? I never thought of it that way, but the two things did occur relatively close to each other.

[@UlissesSampaio]

13:11 Game company that can do no wrong by Tim?!?! 👀 (Unfortunately, I don't have one like that. Every company under the sun has at least some games that I find meh)

[@ConsultingHumor]

I am partial to davidoff

[@NotMeButAnother]

Is there one that smells like bread fresh from the oven?

[@CainOnGames]

Demeter has nearly every soliflore scent that exists. And yes, they have one that smells like bread.

[@stuartmorley6894]

Honestly most Penhaligon stuff smells like old ladies to me. It's just excess lavender all the way down with a hint of mustiness. I'm not criticizing the smell of old ladies, just every time I smell one of their products it reminds me of Grandma's.

[@thedude7319]

06:10 Bulgari has that issue with a lot of men

[@ZiggyMeister]

I hate around 99% fragrances I ever smelled in my life, they really irritate my air ways

[@Mardukis]

"Look, maybe I didn’t say every single little tiny syllable, no. But basically I said them, yeah." (Tim when talking about the price of his fragrances.)

[@OpenGL4ever]

Fragrances give me headaches, so I don't use them.

[@docweidner]

Two thoughts from this. One, any chance you switched teams for a fling in Russia in the early 2000s? You and I have JUST had the SAME conversation I had with my older, gay son we adopted from Russia back in 2004. We were in Alta in the mall two days ago, and he went over the whole body chemistry test on yourself thing. Two, my wife wife is sensitive to most scents. She was okay with the CK Obession I wore in college. In Grad school, I got some Grey Flannel. I really liked it, both the scent and the joke about how it sounds professory. You can see where this is going. She had an allergic reaction to it and absolutely hates it. I sent this to my son and told him we need to watch it with Mom so he can see her reaction to you saying the words Grey Flannel. I also told him I think we found his bio dad. 😀

[@theoroderick782]

Omg how long can you talk about fragrance 😂😂😂 Jeez dude

[@garyskippracing]

Diptyque make some great candles. Get yer wallet out!

[@fosterjoshua]

fragrance nerd :D

[@ace100hyper3]

Hi Tim, who doesn't understand male and female fragrances. Outer Worlds 2 reveal was a slap in the face to gamers :(

[@PerfectAlibi1]

15:12 Must. Resist. Urge. To. Make. A. Particular. Joke...

[@theazhang997]

I no Clue, now i want to hear the joke😂😂😂

[@PerfectAlibi1]

@@theazhang997 He loves wood... He's gay? XD

[@JademusSreg]

Damn, I love the idea of having a lot of brilliant fragrances, but that's a LOT of O(n) search!

[@SLINKLYDLINKLY]

Artificial fragrances can as dangerous as smoking a cig, be careful