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Part 1 of our series devoted to figuring out if Daenerys will go full Mad Queen in the books
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[@lelouche25]

"A wedding without at least 3 deaths, is considered a dull affair to the dothraki." Red Wedding happens Dothraki: *Heavy Breathing*

[@thisguy8106]

Foreshadowing at it's finest..

[@timvanrijn8239]

frey's should move to the dothraki sea here sit walder frey a man who had more children then a greatest stalions

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Also Dothraki: (Tears in their eyes) Oh My Great Stallion! This was such a beautiful wedding! Best wedding ever!

[@beyond12021]

lol

[@michaelprice6448]

Yeh but the purple wedding was a disappointment.

[@williamst.romain7393]

I have a strong suspicion that Dany's dragon dreams are set to her by Quaithe. I think Quaithe is far more involved in Dany's life than we have so far been led to believe.

[@andrewprofitt6898]

Melisandre was ancient before the dragons were born. Many times magic is said to be growing stronger but I dont think you can say it's the dragons that cause it.

[@SaneMillennial]

@@andrewprofitt6898 I'd also add we don't know that there aren't ANY other dragons that exist before Dany's hatch. No one goes to Asshai and I bet there's some hanging out over there too. And seems to be a mysterious one that was released from Winterfell as well during that Bran chapter...

[@AnndenMark]

After the finale of season eight, when people kept saying even in the books Dany displayed the evidence of becoming a crazy mas-murder early on... Well I am now into the Feast of Crows, and I have yet seen this evidence of her being more ruthless or possible crazy than anyone else in the story.

[@GarrisonHat]

"The Mother could be fiercer than the Warrior when her children were in danger." A Clash of Kings, Catelyn IV

[@ranica47]

The same chapter that Secrets of the Citadel was just summarising yesterday in her Unraveling the Text chapter breakdowns from the books! Meaningful coincidence??? 😛

[@GarrisonHat]

Maybe so, but it also applied to Dany when Viserys put a knife to her pregnant belly.

[@pushista9322]

Instead of being a fierce mother Catelyn could just be a responsible mother. Would have played out much better for her kids.

[@obianujuchinemelu5455]

You guys have blessed me. I have always wanted more Dany videos from you. This is the only good thing that came of season 8

[@MrFirextinguisher]

Oh boy, 30 min of Dat girl Daenerys.

[@nexis1293]

The Icon and legend that is Daenery Targaryen, good luck to the Order of the greenhand for trying to make sense of this head fuck which is the show. Let the controversy start

[@thisguy8106]

"A Wedding without at least 3 deaths is considered a boring affair to the Dorthraki." THAT'S brilliant foreshadowing... Dany being upset with a man who put a sword to her pregnant belly and threatened her child... how can that even be considered foreshadowing?? Did Dumb and Dumber even read the books or understand what they were reading?🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@molson9059]

Another great video from The Order of the Greenhand, thorough and well flushed out in order to discern fact from fiction. Great work as usual.

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

I hope she doesn't do this in the books but if she does we'll be able to read what's going on inside her head since we'll be reading her POV chapters in the next two books. Dan and Dave also could've altered the synopsis of George's ending, maybe she'll burn kings landing because of white walkers, or maybe she just burns the red keep or hell maybe she does it like she does in the show because she ends up snapping but all I know is I just can't wait to find out.

[@andrewprofitt6898]

She will be bad in the books. Don't you feel a little naive thinking dragons are a force for good?

[@pplr1]

@@mrbubbles6468 If he said that then he is wrong. They are closer to air support. You can use aircraft to burn a city but mostly she uses them in battles then as something much more tactical than a nuke.

[@dexter8034]

​@@andrewprofitt6898you can say the same thing about a gun

[@wyattgwyon9484]

Very interested to see what you find in the rest of the books. I don't think she's crazy, but I do think she'll go full dragon. #StaywokeDany.

[@andysawyer647]

The best Dragon Lords typically were not wanton destroyers. Aegon didn't destroy everything, yet people use him as their prime example. Generally, speaking they never really expanded past Westeros except with the wars with Dorne and the step stones. They also assimilated to the Westerosi culture were the Andals dominated the culture to the point were you don't know who died of natural causes. Maesters and Septums are way more terrifying than most Targaryens.

[@wyattgwyon9484]

@@andysawyer647 I think I see your point. There are a lot of evil bastards in ASoIaF. A lot of them are logical, scheming, and ruthless. Like Tywin or Robert. What's really cool about Dany is that we have her POV. I wonder about her link w/ Drogon. Will she lose herself in her dragon the way a skin changer might?

[@andysawyer647]

@@wyattgwyon9484 that's how dragon riders are with their dragons. They are linked much like the Starks are to their wolves.

[@wyattgwyon9484]

@@andysawyer647 Exactly.

[@Jockeylotforfun]

Quaithe, "to go west, you must go east". Melisandre from Ashai, "there's power in kings blood" eastern magic. The pyre components were a dead king/khal, a blood for blood sacrifice of the witch/justice, and a fearless Targaryen woman Khaleesi/queen. Dany definitely knew what she was doing with the dragon egg hatching pyre. Love Qot 🌹

[@DAS_k1ishEe]

The only part of Dany's personality that you can describe as crazy is her believe that the Iron Throne is hers by birthright - something she takes for granted. The only moment in the story she considers herself not beeing worthy of the throne is in Mereen and this forms her decision to take the opportunity and stay in order to learn to rule. But this is not going well and even her story in the books looks like she will eventually go the "Fire & Blood" route to solve the problems she is facing in Mereen. I think the only way Dany can go crazy is if you push her into a corner and make her decide to either abandon her claim on the throne or kill thousands of people. That would be her heart in conflict with herself - giving her best to be a good person vs. her irrational believe the throne is hers. They tried to go that route in the show, but the setup for this dilemma failed spectacularly.

[@pushista9322]

Okay, she decides to stay in Meeren and learn to rule. Imagine your city is ruled by an uneducated, inexperienced girl who thinks she is a demi-goddess (by the way the Lannister twins thought they were gods, too, it helped a lot, right). So she decides to have some practice which can possibly result in your death or the collapse of your city altogether, but hey, she'll get some experience!

[@DAS_k1ishEe]

@@pushista9322 I don't get your point exactly. Please go into more detail.

[@pushista9322]

@@DAS_k1ishEe I mean Dany was one of the worst kinds of an aspiring ruler. No education, no experience within a government body, no good team of counsellors (Jorah and Barristan were too willing to please) and adamant belief that she's a merciful magical demi-goddess

[@DAS_k1ishEe]

@@pushista9322 + the thing where she tries to help the weak because she knows what that feels like.

[@pushista9322]

@@DAS_k1ishEe As Martin said himself, a hero can do some great deed one day and be a total sh*t the next day.

[@i-vthegr896]

Glory to the Order! Thank you for commencing this series! Dany is one of my favourite characters in ASOIAF and for the final season of GoT to desecrate the legacy of this character in such an egregious manner was absolutely terrible. Top that off with sentiment from some of the fanbase that Dany’s descent to madness was always foreshadowed just made my headache.

[@shirleymcdonald2777]

Order of the greenhand Your both so insightful and inspirational keep going as we all want more

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

this is going to be a four part series...one for each book she's in...we want to make sure we are as thorough as possible

[@shirleymcdonald2777]

😆🧐😜

[@xKody91]

For me the madness came out of nowhere. No character progression to reach the point. Just a switch flipped. Westeros is a brutal place and pretty much nothing she did was overly cruel. Unless her attackers were cruel.

[@tyrellesmith9265]

It really did come out of nowhere. One thing in the finale that annoyed me was Arya's indignation. Like girl, you murdered a guys sons and fed them to him in a meat pie and then proceeded to kill his whole family. I know the Frey's were monsters and had it coming but suddenly everyone acting like Dany was bad in this monstrous world threw me off. Some of Dany's actions were brutal but up until her destroying King's Landing, they were not at all out of the ordinary for a ruler at war and for the most part the things she did do were not nearly as brutal and calculating as Tywin, as vindictive as Cersei or as grotesque as Ramsy. Hell, goody two shoes Jon Snow murdered a 13 year old boy without a thought and no one cares. But because D&D did not map this out well enough to show her downfall into a mad tyrant, they instead hold Dany to this insanely high standard that when she does not meet it immediately point out that she's nuts.

[@andrewprofitt6898]

Hey, guys. I think it would help if you considered the idea that the insane dont see themselves as insane and we only get Dany from her own POV. Never, has another POV even viewed her. As readers we assume the fever dreams and drug trips are all prophetic but maybe they arent and quaith visits Dany when shes starving in the desert or sick in the dothraki sea...

[@andrewprofitt6898]

Also, Dany is super young, madness, hereditary madness, develops through early adulthood and rarely sooner.

[@tyrellesmith9265]

@@andrewprofitt6898 that's true and the book makes a better case for questioning her sanity than the show. Knowing that they were going for the heel turn in the show, it might have been better for them to keep some of those mystical elements like Dany's visions or Quaith in the show so we had more reason to question hee mental health. The books also do a great job of showing that Dany is not even a fan of the political realities of ruling and much prefers to conquer and crush her opposition. She gets the peace she wants in Mereen and is totally turned off by it and hates it. Her teetering on the edge of being a queen and a dragon is told really well with lots of symbolism and character development. Unfortunately the show cuts so much of that plotline that all we see is a well meaning woman in over her head who solves her biggest issue with simple violence and then leaves.

[@andrewprofitt6898]

@@tyrellesmith9265 No, I wouldn't defend the show. The only reason I saw it coming is because the theory isn't new, right and they really laid it on heavy the last two seasons. Season 7 starts out "whatever happens don't burn the city" blah blah blah, season 8, "remember dont burn the city" halfway through season 8 "I think she'll burn the city"

[@aeraya2343]

A notification about Order of the Green Hand video...that too about Danaerys???? My week is made 😍

[@Malwaresshorts]

Love the order of the green hand , you guys theories seems to make more sense than other GOT channels . I love it keep it up

[@tlibrachick]

These are the types of videos I love for you guys to do. Keep up the great work.

[@kekero540]

Can you do a series of videos about house Valaryon’s future relationship with Daenerys?

[@made-line7627]

What is this relationship?

[@kekero540]

Madeline Sartori Well very likely future relationship. Seeing as how A strong navy is going to be extremely important and that they have heavy intermarried with the Targaryens and were their staunchest allies.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I'm guessing Kekero is referring to Aurane Waters, who seems likely to have strategically placed himself and the fleet he stole from Cersei to join her when she comes to Westeros

[@neriumsuitedher]

I don't think she's ne essarily going mad.... but becoming ever more ruthless? Certainly a possibility. Mind you, I find Dany rather dull, so having her be both a hero AND a villain sounds exciting to me.

[@jenniferaguilera2087]

yeah, she's not mad at all, they won't find forshadowing for her going mad. She's always struggling between being mhysa and a dragon. She loves being adored as everyone's mother but she won't get that everywhere and she also loves being a dragon, like many of her ancestors and fire and blood gets the job done pretty easily. She has too much power for her own sake, and had to constantly restrict herself and her impulses. She will bring destruction and will end up like in the show, but because she likes it better, because she doesn't want to look back and face the ugly consequences of her actions and just want to keep going to get the Iron Throne. It's bad but it's not madness. This is the conclusion of an essay written in 2013 and praised by Martin who said about the author "finally someone who gets it": (meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2013/10/05/untangling-the-meereenese-knot-part-iv-a-darker-daenerys/) "No. You are the blood of the dragon. The whispering was growing fainter, as if Ser Jorah were falling farther behind. Dragons plant no trees. Remember that. Remember who you are, what you were made to be. Remember your words. “Fire and Blood,” Daenerys told the swaying grass. (DANY X) And there it is. A rejection of Meereen. A rejection of peace. A rejection of bending over backward to protect innocent life. A rejection of “planting trees.” And instead, an embrace of vague, violent rhetoric about who she is “made to be” - and her words, “fire and blood.” Since the first book, Dany has been tormented by the innocent lives lost when she unleashes violence and war. Now, she has apparently resolved to stop letting all this bother her. Her new “fire and blood” approach just seems likely to lead to many more Astapors and thousands more Hazzeas. But in this chapter Dany seems prepared to write them off, as sad but necessary collateral damage of her embracing her true “dragon” self and who she was “made to be.” The dragons, and Dany’s own violent impulses, will no longer be chained. She has given into her greatest fear - herself. This is not to say Dany will become some cackling, one-dimensional “evil” villain. She will surely continue to care about those she loves, use violence against some people who legitimately deserve it, and free some more slaves if she happens to come across them. But now she wants to go to Westeros. And that’s particularly interesting because, so far in the series, Dany’s violent methods and ignoble tactics have often been palatable to the reader because they were used against brutal and murderous slavers, for seemingly noble ends. But there are no slaves to free in Westeros. It seems that Martin started off by giving Dany a seeming moral justification for her violence, that he always later planned to undercut. Now, Dany’s in it for herself - for her own power, for her own throne, and for becoming who she’s made to be, and woe to anyone who gets in her way. This is the tragedy of Dany. She achieved peace. And then she decided war felt better to her. Overall the purpose of the Meereen arc was to transform Dany into a much darker character. With that in mind, so many of the most-criticized aspects of this plotline make a great deal more sense. Our characters are supposed to be confused and frustrated about Meereenese politics. They are supposed to hate the city and conclude that staying there is a waste of time. They are supposed to feel this generic distrust for everyone, and to fail to grasp that their peaces were actually quite successful. Dany is supposed to conclude - wrongly - that her behavior through most of the book was silly and foolish. And if you came away with those impressions too, it’s perfectly understandable. But when you look past the unreliable narrator and POV-character bias, Martin’s aim becomes clear. The whole plotline is designed to maneuver Dany into a mental place where she’ll decide to sideline her concerns for innocent life, and take what she wants with fire and blood. Martin’s triumph is in handling this character development in such a natural and organic way. He gives Dany as much agency as he can - her hand is never truly forced by the Harpy or slavers. He presents her with incredibly difficult situations, places her core values into conflict, and makes her choose. Her choices first go one way - then another. Now, the transformation is complete. The Dany we knew at the end of ASOS is gone. The one who reaches Westeros will be a very different person. The dragons are now unchained, and the gloves are off. "

[@christinesarkis4029]

@@jenniferaguilera2087 You know, if Dany is already in "fire and blood" mode when she arrives in Westeros, I'd be okay with that. It would definitely add tension to the story.

[@jenniferaguilera2087]

@@christinesarkis4029Same. I prefer Dany as an antagonist than as "flawless hero" which she never was but some people think that's all she is. I hate the "all the good guys get together to defeat evil".

[@christinesarkis4029]

@@jenniferaguilera2087 I've always liked the duality of her character, that she has both heroic and villainous moments but doesn't fall neatly into one box. I hope GRRM maintains that complexity in the rest of the books and doesn't turn her into Darth Vader at the last moment like the show did.

[@jenniferaguilera2087]

@@christinesarkis4029 mmmm I'm not sure we won't get something similar. It has to get to a point where we can't justify her actions anymore (there's people who justify what she did in the show, so anything she does in the books has to be clearly wrong or there'll be no point imo) We've been told her story only from her pov, her version, her own experience. Her enemies and the people she ruled didn't have one. We didn't know much about them or what they thought about her from their own pov, how they perceived her actions, how they affected them. Only what they told her or she heard or deemed important. That's going to change when she gets to Westeros. We already know the people there, most already like them and some characters there are as important as she is to the story. We will get their opinions about her and how she affects them and the people they care about. She's the hero of her own story but will she be the hero in Bran or Sansa Brienne or Arya's story too? Imo, letting us see only her pov had a point. Martin wanted us to root for her so we would later be horrified at her and he's testing us, trying to make us see how far are we capable of going to follow a tyrant, how easily we can be deluded by them, by a sad backstory, by good intentions, by seeing them struggle and grow and achieve the impossible. Some people are convinced she would never harm innocents, but she already did, before getting to Westeros... they just didn't care about them enough to consider them innocents or to even remember them. So, it's not just about what she does, but also about how we see it.

[@CanadianCrusader]

I love your channel. Glad you're going back to your roots. Keep up the great videos!

[@schmalzilla1985]

Most of Dany's story is about achieving a victory when all seems lost. Sure she probably did have the devils luck in a lot of instances, but she also took what little resources she had, and used them to squeeze out a victory when most wouldn't be able to. She always loses some kind of power, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, but she always finds a way. It's a pretty inspiring story when you think about it. A begger would be queen to what she is now. Another thing I was wondering. Was her son the price for Drogo, or herself? You could reason that her sons life that was lost was the price for her to live. Also the 3 lifes, for the dragons, does it matter when/where/order/etc? Because you could reason that Viserys was one, because by the time of the pyre Drogo was dead, a mercy kill by Dany, and Dany's boy dead at birth, and then the witch at the pyre, being the only living sacrifice to the flames. Is it a 3 to 1 for these 3 dragons to hatch? Now in the case for madness, if you've ever experienced severe depression, it feels like you are going insane, at many times during a bout of severe depression, and Dany having just had the heartbreak that only an expectant mother who miscarried can know, and the brain dead husband she was left with, it's entirely reasonable that she was mad at the time of the pyre. While the witch did bet on Drogo not listening to her complex way to heal him, I think she was justified in what she did to him, Dany didn't really save her, she just stopped more of what already happened to her. Without any real justice for her fellow village people whom she had lived with. It's not like Dany held a trial, and the witch was found guilty and sentenced to die by fire, no, Dany chose vengeance over justice. Chaos over peace. While understandable, and I was rooting for her to do it, it is however, at it's core a decision driven by madness. While this instance isn't enough to show anything for the future, it does show than anyone for good or ill, is capable of making decisions when in emotional and mental turmoil.

[@orphanedhanyou]

That's why is even more tragic. She isn't mad, she's just horribly wrong. Breaking the wheel isn't 'kneeling in HER new world or dying in the old one'. I think she will continue to become more and more single minded and think that ANYTHING is worth the price to get her vision of the world to come to fruition. Especially if she does begin losing more counselors and friends, her goal of breaking the wheel will become all she has. At the very least she won't end up on the iron throne in some perfect claiming of her long hard fought goal.

[@jonathanng2944]

I love your videos. The shade thrown at db and weiss*, delicious. I look forward to the next part of this series of videos. *I have no idea if the spelling of his name is correct but... let's roll with it

[@greenrighthand]

Dave, can I join your Kingsguard?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

absolutely

[@greenrighthand]

I would gladly give my life to protect N+A=J

[@gogozeppeli9267]

@@greenrighthand but but the show confirmed r+l=j

[@ulamogtheinfinitegyre4279]

is rhaegar off the table as the mad 1?

[@LucidHorizons]

Thank you! I can't wait for the rest of the series.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Yaaaaay~ a Dany video!

[@Cronoo]

The moment I've been waiting for since episode 5.

[@David-xt9uf]

In short, no I don't see her going crazy however, she is clearly following a path towards tyranny reinforced by self-righteousness and grandiosity. In long: Dany going "crazy" is just a very simplistic (and misleading) term that show-runners and some fans have chosen to describe and explain Dany's story arc and ending and the way it was depicted in season 8 was so rushed that in a way enforced this "mad queen" idea. However, her narrative (both in the books and in the show for the most part) encompasses many literally themes over the course of the story (including underdog story, coming of age, survival, love, power and corruption, change versus tradition, disillusionment and dreams, empowerment, Illusion of power, war, betrayal etc.) that reducing it into the "going crazy" idea just doesn't do justice to her. Add to that all the mystery, fantasy and magic elements of her story such as dragons, Quaith's mysterious effects and her dreams and you end up with the brilliance of one of the main characters GRRM has created. However, if I want to combine, trim and squeeze Dany’s seemingly ‘mad queen’ story into one very long sentence, I would come up with something like this: “an empowerment story about a female underdog that, with the help of some obvious and some mysterious forces, fights her way to the top and while having some very noble intentions (at least in her own mind and in her fans’ inside and outside the story) ends up being a tyrant (posing as a liberator as many tyrants in real world do) due to her sense of entitlement that she gained from her brother, self-righteousness and grandiosity that she gained from her nuclear arsenal, miraculous achievements and her followers’ praise, devotion and even worship. She is finally betrayed by her closest allies, friends and lover.” D&D surely fucked up all that but George will not! So please don’t look for the signs and foreshadowing of her eventual sociopathy because you will not find many (or any). On the other hand, if you want to focus on empowerment, noble intentions and change versus tradition parts of her story and ignore the rest, it is your own choice but don't say they are not out there ,"you simply haven't been paying attention".

[@SaltyMinorcan]

Dani moved multiple times. Was beaten and verbally abused. Then she was sold to a foreign tribal lord who didn't even speak her language. Yes, she was a survivor. However, different people react differently to immense stress depending on their psyche. She had the components of a classic Hitler if you look at his formative years. Maybe if the events she went through in the west hadn't happened things would have turned out differently.

[@veritasinvicta8128]

I know one thing, Stannis will NOT be routed in the books the way he was by the Boltons on the TV show.

[@vlpinfinity9448]

Dany also could've died from being cut open. Seems more like what she really wants is a home & a family. Ruling Westeros is more like something she feels like she has to do instead of wants to.

[@elianacaceres5369]

Thank you for the video :) I love your videos! Can you make a Tyrion Lannister Video? Please please please?

[@christophertracy4377]

Daenerys was Drogo's Moon of my life and he was her Sun and Stars!

[@joyboy_3165]

Can't wait for part 2 You guys are awesome as always

[@benraymond-henshaw5030]

"A character called 'Stormborn' should be controversial" What did he mean by this?

[@PhilHibbs]

Interesting that he remains neutral about her in that quote.

[@Jockeylotforfun]

This is the salve that my soul so desperately needed! Thanks, love Qot 🌹

[@katherineseward7287]

I love your theories yet with the generations of insanity in Dany's family...Just a thought. Welcome back anyway Order of The Green Hand:D

[@katherineseward7287]

@@jlord9638 Really? Thank you. I'm already preparing to read the series but, I glad to know Dany's sections won't be the medieval version of Lizzie Borden or the Mad Queen of Portugal. Heavy sigh;)

[@VictoriaTraducciones]

A lot of fans like to call mad any character that does anything morally questionable and is a Targaryen, when literally you can count the amount of clinically insane Targaryens with one hand, the rest are either suffering from other issues (depression, anger issues, etc) or aren't mad at all

[@katherineseward7287]

@@VictoriaTraducciones I hear you. Arya and Brienne were spared the "mad" labels because the could backup their choices thanks to the top flight training their realistic fathers provided. "Go Daddy":D

[@katherineseward7287]

@@jlord9638 Really? Message received and understood.

[@cathythompson1578]

After watching The Secret Origins of Dragons by Disputed Lands , I can more easily understand how Danny could flip. Blood of the Dragon. If you haven’t checked it out , you should

[@chef4203]

Awesome. Been waiting for this!

[@HerbstaMagus]

I noticed some foreshadowing about Targaryens in general in the Dunc and Eg books. They hinted at Targaryen's going apeshit a few times. After watching the end show I noticed them.

[@bethaofhouseblackwood234]

Try reading fire and blood, targaryen history has very little evidence or foreshadowing of any targaryens going apeshit full stop. Aerys went crazy due to the events of duskendale

[@HerbstaMagus]

@@bethaofhouseblackwood234 I will check it out I am working through all the books slowly. Cheers

[@BjornCanute]

I feel like if Dany goes crazy it is going to be before she goes to westeros. If she is going to be the mad queen its not going to be twist.

[@hubblito]

Awesome video! I loved it

[@PriscilaTV1]

The whole " Mad Queen" gained force by a simple exchange between GRRM and the guy of the Meereeneese B lot- GRRM commended him for ONE essay he wrote, about Daenerys facing adversity in Westeros as, he put it" westeros has no slaves to free" ( hey, but has enough lords treating servants as sheep) and GRRM said that " he got it". That is it. Then the guy went on essay after essay speaking about Dany´s " mad turn" and I myself read an exchange of him and Race for the Iron thrones where he basically says " I am right, she is mad, GRRM confirmed it" when GRRM did not. If you look closely, you will see two characters with magic in their veins doing strange things: dany and Bran. Dany is guided by dreams and we know Qaith is speaking to her. So , yes, she hears voices?! But is this REALLY madness in the context of a world like this? Dany is a teeanger with great insight and wise beyond her years. She is ALWAYS second guessing herself, questioning about her nature and that of the dragons, who bring destruction- she is, in other words SELF AWARE. Can you say the same for Brandon? No, you cannot- he is a child for starters, but even so, he is a spoiled boy who sees no problem into slipping into the mind of Hodor or , possibly, Meera. I love your videos and, although I disagree about Jon´s parentage( I do, however, think it would be far more interesting to the story if either he is the trueborn son of Ashara and Ned OR the bastard of Lyanna and Rhaegar) , I find that you have a good insight into the true motives and motivations of the characters and looking forward to your Dany´s videos. So, discarding schizophrenia ( the voices she hears are from Qaith), Daenerys, like many Targ women, has battled serious depression. Now, if I am correct ( and I agree with Steven Attewell on this) the producers changed the tone, went for endgame as " who dies and who lives" and opted to reverse the order of the facts and downplay the White Walkers. You have the final enemy- the cold- or the environmental element, and the dragons, which can be read as a metaphor for nuclear weapons. Daenerys is frustraded NOT by peace ( like the Meereenese Blot guy says) but by COPROMISING t the point she has slaves being sold at the doors of Meereen- so, that is to say, she feels terrible about having to deal with the slavers to get this " peace." Timeline appears to be: she unites the Khlasar, solves Meeeen, burns Volantis, arrives at KL and confronts FAegon. Jon Snow might be a bastard in the books. In the show, DnD gave hima nd Cersei the Faegon plotline, Timeline, Dany arrives at KL, fights the very popular Aegon and either by accident, or because she loses control of one her dragons, the wildfire is ignited and she watches the city burns ( Cersei might be a hostage for Faegon there and Jaime might be the Valonqar, killing off Cersei who is tryng to kill all her enemies with wildfire, just to see the city burns too) It will be a gray situation, not Hitler Dany. Some people will say she is crazy and burnt the city on purpose- others will not be that sure. Depressed, as GRRM already showed us she could be, she might conclude that indeed, the dragons are monsters, that so she is, and go North to, at least, put them to good use? Sorry for the long comment- yes, I believe DnD might have been TOLD who dies and who lives and they were ONLY faithful to that. This is the reason why we had Daniel Weiss APOLOGISING to GRRM -something that went unoticed, so please, spread it: "“George, thank you for letting us take your children into our care, sorry we didn’t treat them better,” www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/inside-game-of-thrones-season-8-nyc-premiere-radio-city

[@hansdampf6916]

Yes, I'm convinced that she will end up at pretty much the same spot as she did in the show. The execution of it will obviously be much smoother and believable in the books, but ultimately Dany and her Dragon(s) will become the final threat that has to be dealt with by Jon Snow.

[@bethaofhouseblackwood234]

Jon snow is the most boring bastard in the books, I rather Dany have to deal with an undead crazy fire white

[@bison891]

After starting reading the books due to the disappointment of the show and yours and others encouraging. I find myself taken aback and one of the scenes with the rape of her and Drogo really started to piss me off. More angry than the blatant shock value it was intended, is that it later became a retcon for her turning "Mad Queen". The show was great for what it was, but the books have blown away everything that they tried on the show.

[@jenny3b1980]

I absolutely love the the perfection of Daenerys in your view....priceless! What people do in their beginnings and what happens to them over their lives, changes them, affects them. Basing your affirmations of her goodness in her beginnings is not wise. People change. GRRM has said countless times, his characters are not white or black, not good or evil, but grey and a mix of both. In your series, she is pure, good and benevolent. She is traveling with Dothraki, men that have killed, enslaved, raped , stolen yet its ok! now they kill the bad masters. If she was true to her words, her armies would not be composed of such people, of sellswords. She's just more of the same. Remember, the road to evil is paved with good intentions. That's Dany! She is inspired by Genghis for heavens sake! You choose passages to fit ypour narrative....yet you refuse to see the overall picture.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

You completely missed the point of this video. It’s part one. It covers her early storyline and there’s a zero percent chance that Dany is inspired by Genghis Khan. You literally just made that up in an effort to add credibility to your claim. Making things up doesn’t add credence to anything. There are pretty obvious parallels between the Mongols and the Dothraki, but that’s not in any way related to Dany.

[@hekate5561]

If anything Daenerys is based on Henry VII.

[@christinestreeter8566]

Dany couldn’t have saved Viserys. Even begging and pleading with Khal Drogo would have done nothing. He was dead the moment he pulled his sword, he definitely had no chance after he threatened Dany. Drogo had to kill him for the utter disrespect he showed him in front of everyone. Dany knew this and accepted what was coming. If there was something she could have done to save him I guarantee she would have, but she knew there was nothing she could do. This foreshadows nothing and Dumb and Dumber suck more than anything. If for whatever reason Dany does what she did in the show in the books there will be lead up to it, and an actual reason given by GRRM.

[@peteperkins3859]

Why would Illyrio and Varys give the dragon eggs to Daenerys?

[@yourdashingheroidol7909]

I think it possible,that Dany will flame King's landing, because of misinformation. She could do it, thinking that (F)Aegon holds the capital.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

why do people still think Aegon is fake? GRRM refers to him as Aegon VI or something (meaning he is being referred to as a legitimate king) and GRRM confirmed that none of the blackfyres have surviving descendants.

[@yourdashingheroidol7909]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 If he were a Blackfyre, would GRRM refer to him as fake and TELL YOU?!

[@shaft9000]

She is already crazy - we're talking about a teen-age dragon queen here. An orphan with a sociopathic brother as her only confident for most of her life, who came into power via her heritage (however powder-keg her genes are; that double-edge 'targaryan advantage') - and as a pawn. She did not earn her 'babies'; they were a gift ....which begs the most interesting Q: was the gifter oblivious to the eggs' potential/reality? -Two Qs of a lesser degree: 1) to what extent was/has Dany EVER had in determining her destiny? 2) Is she not another idealistic youth in a unique position, or is she much more? Anyway...the natural question then becomes: _Given WHO she is, why WOULDN'T she be bat-shite sooner or later?_

[@shaft9000]

TL;DR= _She wields the power to make ye bow or burn; a power she did not earn._

[@redcd3743]

Jeez, go watch the rest of the OOTGH ‘s vids and also Preston Jacob’s vids on Targs/dragons and then come back...

[@nexis1293]

STFU you pathetic mong, go watch Harry potter or something. That's about your level

[@MrHotSalsa]

If it does happen. It might happen in book 6 and 7 slowly and make more sense then the shoe.

[@brandondavis7777]

If Dany has to face Aegon and Jon Con in King's Landing, I think she'll be tricked into burning the city. Tyrion style wildfire poured out everywhere, one Dragon fire blast and the city goes up. But I believe she's been "crazy" since marrying Drogo.

[@madambutterfly1997]

what was the point of having them followed and watched if they had no intention of actually killing the children

[@DetonatingBludZz]

All daenerys wants is a house with a red door

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

she thinks about marrying you once too

[@guitar19971]

Her house with the red door is one of the reasons I don’t think and will go mad in the books. Fundamentally all she wants is a simple and peaceful life and she wants that for others. A longing represented by the house with the red door.

[@marcostargaryen4181]

You know that she will kill you right ?

[@beyond12021]

yea :'(

[@zer0phasez]

The fact they never even mentioned it in the Show i just knew that they were taking her entire character downhill. Ppl now think she only cares about that ugly iron throne when that's not the case with Book!Dany

[@StannisHarlock]

Ned Stark beheads a man for breaking his word, and Dany reacts coldly to the man executed for threatening to cut her baby out of her belly, but that is supposed to foreshadow her descent into madness ... Dumb and Dumber are hacks.

[@ilcontebalerion9897]

Clearly, Ned would have chainsaw-massacred an entire city if Joffrey hadn't killed him! Joff is a hero!

[@katiePetsy]

Yeah "the man" was her brother though. Ned executing a stranger had an impact on him whereas with Dany she moves on quite rapidly. My view of Dany is that she has no true empathy. She can only empathise with things she has gone through herself (sexual violence, slavery etc). In the books it's shown that once she frees a city she doesn't do much for the people

[@StannisHarlock]

@@katiePetsy When you're talking about executing people, I don't think family relation makes much difference. Plus her brother never behaved like much of a brother. He abused her for years, and threatened to murder her and her baby. Danaerys was never a slave, and yet she was able to empathize with slaves. But when it comes right down to it, there aren't many characters in the story that empathize with people who have experiences different than theirs. Feudalism incentivized people to do what was expected of them instead of what was right, which is why you see Ned Stark beheading a man for not keeping his word. Ned also planned to marry Arya off to some guy she didn't know regardless of what Arya thought of it, because that's what was expected.

[@katiePetsy]

@@StannisHarlock I think family is important so I do see a difference. Viserys was all she had and even though he was cruel he did keep her alive. Martin makes it very clear that he was drunk, jealous and desperate when he threatened her. Episode 5 had Dany drunk with power, jealous of the love Jon received and desperate to win- she went mad like her brother rather than her father. When Dany first met Drogo in the book she was all dressed up and had a collar put around her neck. She felt uneasy looking at the slaves as she realised she had as much influence as them. So in that regard she could empathise with slavery. Once she frees them what does she do? Nothing, as of the last book disease and hunger are ravaging the freed slaves. I don't think she truly cares for them as she is "the dragon". As for Ned and Arya, when she says she's not a lady does he slap her down and make wedding plans? No he arranges fighting lessons that make her happy. Ned has true empathy, Dany does not.

[@veritasinvicta8128]

@@StannisHarlock The penalty for oathbreakers, especially from the NW, know their fate. Ned only did the deed himself because of the Old first Men customs dictate that a man who passes sentence should carry it out and listen to the man's last words. As opposed to a little shit like the Bastard Joffrey having Illyn Payne do his dirty work.

[@Ali_D_Katt]

I feel like maybe it's because she's a woman people think she's mad because she isn't hysterical when her brother is killed. Sir Jorah isn't mad or foreshadowed as such because he doesn't bat an eye. Drogo isn't mad for killing him in the manner he did. They are just warriors doing what warriors do. It's strange we've progressed so far and it's gotten better but if a woman doesn't react in line with what people think they are cold, heartless, or hysterical. Had she lost her shit when her brother died people would say that was a hint to her madness.

[@SophisticatedFlow]

Over the past few weeks since season 8 premiered and the destruction of characters, every time I have heard the excuse “they ran out of books” my eye roll to the back of my head and stay there for hours. D&D did not run out of books, they took a Marbled NY strip steak, cut off the fat and marbled and cubed it into a square. There was PLENTY of book materials, so much so That HBO and GRRM agreed there needed to be ATLEAST 10 seasons. So no fuck that excuse that they ran out of books. I hate that excuse and it needs to be shot down. You don’t get to skip plots and characters and then come knocking on GRRM door saying “oops we need more sugar even though you gave us a ton. Hehe!”

[@Thewhitequeen0]

What makes the show's handling of Daenerys so offensive is that they betrayed the core aspects of her character's journey just to check the "mAd QuEeN" box at the very end. Daenerys' struggle as a character has always been about being compassionate to the suffering of innocent people, and struggling to find solutions to help those people WITHOUT becoming cruel or destroying her own kingdom. She wouldn't just kill an entire city full of people, especially of women and children, without batting an eyelash or showing some sort of regret over it. That's NEVER been her character. People who say "lol, Dany fans just weren't paying attention. She's always been evil and crazy" ignore the fact that if that were the case, Daenerys would've taken over Westeros the first chance she got using her armies and her dragons rather than trying to listen to people like Tyrion to opt for more civil solutions at first. The showrunners seem to have forgotten that fact based on the bullshit speech they had Tyrion give Jon about her.

[@bore-osofmyr2539]

Thewhitequeen0 The people who think that Dany would snap like that probably are not very good at analysis or putting together arguments for a theory. The probably don’t possess a probing mind.

[@Ali_D_Katt]

I agree the show fucked it all up I have read/listened to all the books so many times and I never got mad queen. There were a few times I got pissy petulant child throwing a fit vibes I mean she's what 16 or 17 by the end of Dance. I feel I can comment on this pretty accurately having been a 16/17 year old girl many years ago I'd have had alot of the same thoughts especially if I had that big flying fire breathing middle finger under my ass (obviously the Dragon not my vagina although it would be pretty cool if it could fly and breathe fire) I would've probably gone mad queen the second drogon was big enough to take my weight. I just feel like D&D were looking for a holy shit moment and thought fuck it boom mad queen I'm out. Only thing is they said GRRM gave them a list of the important stuff and that seems like it would be a bullet point. I like to think GRRM trolled them so they would bomb the show and the books are going to do something different. I'm sure it's a delusion but it's what I tell myself to get over that shit show of a finale.

[@Vilelie]

@dēaþ Give examples and ill debunk them for you

[@Vilelie]

@@lexaathenagador4055 Right like people say that the executions of the Tarlys or her letting Drogo kill her brother are foreshadowing moments of her "madness" yet they're not calling Tywin mad for the rains of castamere, or Tyrion for murdering his father, or Arya for murdering all the Freys, or Jon for executing a little boy, or Jaime for fucking his sister and pushing Bran out the window. I could go on and on and on. If shes mad, so is everyone in that goddamn show.

[@radhikabakshi9426]

Daenerys always drew her line at her child in the first book. Like she was okay with people being out to kill her but she was like I'll never let them hurt rhaego. Viserys was dead to her when he said he would cut rhaego out of her. I think the only thing that could drag Daenerys to that level of madness is if the people of kings landing want to hurt her (second) child. The only contradiction to this that I can find is that it's not clear if she knew the consequences of asking mirri maz duurs help before hand as it's never explored. She just says if I look back I'm lost. As for jon killing Dany I truly think it would be amazing if that was reversed aka Dany killing Jon. Idk if this fits the sstory but think D&D could try that after Arya kills the night king sth about the magic around the resurrection of Jon snow makes him the night king. I think that showing her helpless and her having to take a call between her life (and her child's ofc coz pregs) and Jon snow as a call back to her decision with drogo. Plus it's also closer to azor ahai story. Losing jon would make her very vulnerable emotionally and if missandei is killed and the people are against her child she would probably burn the city. In my head this is the only way Dany would do what she did in season 8

[@obsidian00]

Ahhhhhh...this is good...this is right...THIS is ASOIF. P.S. Dan and Dave are just horrible and lazy writers...it’s obvious that once GRRM wasn’t holding their hands, they were completely out of their league.

[@djbigleg3228]

d&d should be placed in stocks & pelted with rotten fruit in every town & every city in the world for that load of rubbish.we waited two years for that crap even now i still feel upset they treated the NK like a side character made dany burn innocent men women & children turned jon into a total idiot who was banished by his own family to the wall even though he saved everyone including his family.the meeting when tyrion said bran should be king was fucking terrible no mention that jon is the true air to the throne it was dire great post peace...

[@beyond12021]

True that.

[@thehavoccompany-a3]

I think it's important to note that one of the major reasons she contemplated suicide was because after the first time with Drogo, all of the following times were undeniably non-consensual rape. I feel it's important to distinguish that when talking about Daenerys' relationship with Drogo, and how she really did end up suffering from a sort of Stockholm's Syndrome with the Dothraki.

[@bassanimation]

Finally someone mentions Drogo not always being "gentle" with Dany. She did contemplate ending her life due to his nightly roughness with her. Their first time might have been gentle, but after that, it was obvious he didn't care about her comfort. Their relationship was romanticized heavily in the show. In the books, they don't even really converse or spend any intimate time with each other. Overall their relationship left a bad taste in my mouth, both in the show and the books.

[@aryanemarques2089]

@@bassanimation same

[@davidnorris1064]

Yes, thank you! Dave & Dan’s so called “foreshadowing” is nonsensical at best

[@thisguy8106]

I've read the books so many times. Sooooo so so many times. And reading different chapters... I have never had the thought cross my mind that Dany would go "crazy".. ... Ever!!

[@sangitamahanti386]

Whether you love her,hate her or judge her, it's undeniable that she is one of the finest and well developing characters (since her book character isn't over yet) in this universe and in fantasy literature in general And dragons despite being an advantage are as easy to tame as a tiger,lion or any similar wild animal if not more

[@Pomshka]

Tis a good day when OOTGH posts 👌💚

[@xkissxmexwellx06]

I have never believed that she was going to go crazy. In fact I believe the biggest reason her dad was crazy is because he was being poisoned then the duskendale event happened. I mean he might have been a little crazy but I think there was more going on. It might even be said for a lot of other targaryens after reading Fire and Blood.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we think Aerys had a natural inclination towards sadism, and became increasingly paranoid as time passed, and with good reason...he crossed Tywin in a manner that meant he need always fear his vengeance, and as time passed, he began fearing everyone around him might be the man Tywin hired to take his revenge...being a successful monarch requires having men and women around you that you can trust...if you look at history, even George's history, the successful kings had solid people around them that stayed there...Jaeherys had Alysanne and Barth...they were his rocks...Aegon I had Orys Baratheon and Visenya...Rhaenyra was awesome, until she got to a point where she no longer trusted the people around her...Daemon was her rock, but they were at war and he wasn't with her

[@Hernameispamela]

Yes! I’m currently doing the same. Rereading everything to see if there is any foreshadowing for that because I DID NOT see it coming and it left me feeling sick for three days, I’m not kidding.

[@Hernameispamela]

lee Roberts did you really read the books or are you talking show here? You can’t compare medieval times to todays understanding of human rights. You have to situate things in time and space in order to write a good story. Yes the former slaves chose to fight with her because she wanted to end slavery all over. It was a cause they believed was worth fighting for, which is already a step over the banner men at Westeros who are forced to fight for their liege Lords. Why is Daenerys a slave master and the Lords of Westeros are not? Double standard? How would you have resolved the slavers issue? In medieval times? She did nothing that Tywin Lannister didn’t do. That Robert Baratheon didn’t do. That Roose Bolton didn’t do. And no one called them mad. And no, I’m not talking about burning KL because we are talking BOOKS here and not show nonsense. Cruel is to do cruelty to innocents. To do the same thing to the ones that caused cruelty is justice, by medieval standards. And this is a medieval story.

[@Bhoddisatva]

@@Hernameispamela Exactly! I agree.

[@alexstewart9747]

The only thing that went mad was Dumb & Dumber and their stupid tv show.

[@ericdupuis8819]

I don't remember the exact words in the chapter of Viserys death, but I always thought that Danny just accepted his death not because he had threatened her or her son (whcih would be perfectly acceptable though) but because she couldn't save him anymore even if she wanted to.

[@Bhoddisatva]

I doubt Drogo was going to let Viserys go in any event. He broke some big time taboos and dishonored the Khal's hospitality by pulling a weapon and threatening his family. So yeah, you're right. Viserys doomed himself.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

Daenerys isn't insane, and I don't recall ever thinking that during any of the books. She makes dumb decisions, she feels regret, remorse, and pain, she does weird things sometimes, but she is not mad.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

If anything, regret and remorse are actually evidence against her madness.

[@orphanedhanyou]

That's why is even more tragic. She isn't mad, she's just horribly wrong. Breaking the wheel isn't kneeling in HER new world or die in the old one.

[@pplr1]

@@orphanedhanyou Are you referring to season 7? Even that doesn't lead to the King's Landing massacre imo. She established a policy of being able to live if you acknowledge her as queen even if you fought against her earlier that very day. This is a kinder policy than Cersei whom she was trying to replace.

[@hiddendagger7291]

madking too was used to be wise

[@pplr1]

@@hiddendagger7291 The mad king had a long streak of cruelty, not so much with Daenerys.

[@Whosaskin]

I honestly don't think Book Dany would.

[@thebovineavenger]

I am the mother of a Teen and Pre-teen. Anyone threatens my children. They will NEVER find their body in the MILES AND MILES of swamp in my state. They will be food for the animals before their next breath. So YES Danny hating her brother when he threatened her unborn child. SHOULD BE HER REACTION.

[@malirabbit6228]

A mom’s love can be a powerful , beautiful and frightening thing !

[@orphanedhanyou]

She didn't hate him though. She was eerily calm, near indifferent. She holds the mixed feelings of loyalty to her only family and lack of respect and fear back and uses the absolute that her brother 'wasn't a dragon' implying otherwise he magically wouldn't have been burned and that she, is more a dragon than he. While yes, Dany at this point is a much better human being than her brother, it is this slow easy to default to excuse of 'my justice is righteous because if those I punish were better or like me, I wouldn't be forced to eliminate them'. You begin to stop using mercy, grace, and suddenly you are saying things like kneel in her new world or die in the old one. Her new world. Not breaking the wheel and disputing the system. A new system. A better system. Her system. Because she is 'good'. Her system couldn't be corrupted. Sacrifice is necessary. And instead of becoming literally mad, Dany is simply just wrong. Horribly wrong, single-minded in her quest, trying to justify why did she come all this way only too lose those she loves most? These moments are defining. For Jon, at least in the show, he listens to Davos even he was tired of fighting, not just physically but in spirit. Davos: You go on. You fight for as long as you can. You clean up as much of the shit as you can. Jon: I don't know how to do that. I thought I did, but...I failed. Davos: Good. Now go fail again again. Dany does this as well in many situations. But it's easy when life gets harder than you can imaging in an already hard life to not give in and become 'more of the same'. Dany isn't pure evil or mad. Not 'the dragon'. She's just a flawed human.

[@pushista9322]

You sound like a savage. If anyone threatens your children you call the police, not commit a murder. What if someone else though you threatened their children and they just kill you? We have criminal courts for that.

[@sleekoduck]

Thank you for refuting Dumb and Dumber's insane argument that Viserys's golden crown foreshadowed anything! It's about time someone pointed out that Daenerys was pregnant and her unborn child had just been threatened. ♥ you guys and looking forward to the next installment!

[@dustinsmith2021]

But there has got to be some allusion to the golden company.

[@Reem0mohammed]

I don't see Dany going crazy in the books. I think Dany will get to the iron throne but will choose not to take it. Because it was never her true desire or purpose to take it.. It was her brother's... The things that she did on her way to get the throne proves further that she isn't completely obsessed with the throne, she's not power hungry! She's a "mother" not a killer.

[@cinebeast7915]

Yeah she Wants the House with the Red door and Not the Throne

[@bopbopanna]

I think Dany is going to die fighting the others. It's almost like fighting the others is her destiny with her 3 dragons more so than taking the Iron Throne.

[@invinciblecucumber]

You should also compare her state of mind and actions with other characters.

[@evileyez504]

definitely!

[@andrewprofitt6898]

Another thing to consider is Dany has never been viewed by a POV character. We only get her perspective which allows a LOT of her brutality to be rationalized.

[@cutiepie4647]

@@andrewprofitt6898 Ser barristan was a POV character and he spent a year with Dany

[@cutiepie4647]

@@andrewprofitt6898 he is also one of the character her new both danys father and rhaeger

[@arthurdayne8029]

I think the word madness doesn’t make any sense. I mean, madness is a very broad concept, so, to me, the question ‘is Dany becoming mad?’ is senseless. I think we need to put the event in the right context: she is a little more than a child, whose family is extinct, as far as she knows. Every day of her life she copes with a brutal world, in which you sometimes have to make difficult decisions in order to survive. Her story is a lot about loss and loneliness.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

insane would probably be more specific...completely detached from reality...the type of crazy that results in her burning up to a million dead civilians alive and giving every indication that she needs to be put down like a rabid dog because she thinks she "freed" them...we're just about done with this series...her final chapter is her most pivotal, so it's getting it's own video...our views on Dany are similar to yours

[@sarablueshoes6950]

In the moment of Viserys death, Dany shows a disassociation disorder. A common symptom in adults of childhood abuse.

[@shamaiahellis8810]

@I am Negan she referred to him not being a real dragon. Because he called himself a dragon hence fire should not have harmed him.

[@shamaiahellis8810]

@@leeroberts4850 there was this scene before the ritual where she sat in a pool of hot water that was hot to others but not to her so that's what i am working with. I am also working with the shows version and not the books because things are done differently with both.

[@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr]

Um. I think she was just watching bc she thought.... maybe.... she'd see her bro turn into a dragon in front of her eyes.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

lee Roberts Given your ignorance regarding proper punctuation, I doubt you have a degree in psychology either.

[@serenab17]

Fantastic analysis and beautiful video! I’ve always been a Dany fan (books and show) & was dismayed by her S8 turn. Glad OTOGH are on the case! Praying to the old gods and the new that Dany’s demise was typical crappy storytelling by D&D.

[@JodesDaPhee]

I've been bingewatching your content and man am I impressed! Each video is of the highest quality and all of what you say is fascinating! I always learn something new! Keep up the amazing work, guys! 🤗

[@alxmnslv]

Tywin ordered the death of all Targaryens, ordered the end of house Reyne, and ordered the death of all Starks and Northmen at the red wedding. He even condemned his own son to death. Yet no one ever speaks a word about his craziness, in fact, he gets praised! I do not care if Dany did or did not feel conflicted about the death of Viserys, being a murderer does not make you crazy. Dany killed 1 million people in KL, so what? Being a murderer does not make you crazy. Aerys didn't in fact burn the city, he didn't kill the people of KL, then by the show's own logic he should not be the mad king. Yet he is, the mad label fits him because we get multiple accounts spanning years describing his crazy erratic behavior, and most of it had very little to do with murdering people because BEING A MURDERER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING CRAZY. Murdering people in cold blood makes you a...can you guess? A MURDERER. Being mad is not expressed only, if ever, by an uncontrollable desire to kill people.

[@noranekokimono4301]

Yesssss a cure for what I suffered by the hands of season 8! Thank you so much! We defenitly need more Dany videos to overcome the trauma of that desastrous season.

[@williamst.romain7393]

I have a clear answer to the question: NO! Daenerys, although I think she will be accused of being mad, she won't ever become a psychopath. And I have a good reason for why. I am convinced that the destruction of Kings Landing will take place BEFORE the Others are defeated. And since Dany is absolutely going to be necessary to defeat the Others, it will not be workable to have Jon murder her for destroying the city.

[@sarmanox]

I see a new vid, i give a like, that is a kind of man I am

[@ridiculousedtollett6120]

Saaaaame.

[@TheTam0613]

When it's the OOTGH, I can't watch or hit the LIKE button any faster!!

[@JELazarus]

The shadows come to dance, my lord. Dance, my lord. Dance, my lord. . .

[@MsCastle1996]

YES! I've been waiting for this!! I'm so excited, lemme get a snack and settle in! D&D did Dany dirty. Try saying that 5 times fast ha! They could've done the Mad Queen arc right, but they rushed it and ruined it

[@olebramserud59]

With the material they had given Dany trough out the seasons they shouldnt have forced and rushed the arc for her and instead stick with her character as we have followed

[@etmup80]

Preston Jacobs talks at length about GRRM interest in genetics & history. You can see a biological break down of the Targaryen family tree in "Is Daenerys Going Mad?" by: Film Theory. It's a scientific/historical break down, NOT a GoT theory video. Its fascinating

[@georgeprchal3924]

I certainly hope not but then again I've been let down in the past. At least if George writes it, it should make sense.

[@jaywa3363]

In answer to the title..... Please God No!!!!!!

[@DogsRLunch]

So if you do something insane, and it works, you’re sane. But if you do something insane, and it fails, you’re crazy. Hmmm... Something to ponder. Thanks guys great video!!

[@Novasky2007]

Something is only impossible; until it Isn't. - Jean Luc Picard

[@thomassommerfeld8494]

Asked my fiance about the "foreshadowing" She said simply : if her brother would threaten to cut her open, she would have done that herself XD

[@Titanic_401]

It's my birthday tomorrow and this was a great early birthday present! Always love your videos.

[@ilcontebalerion9897]

Oh, and: the picture of Vissy reading to Dany as she clutches a stuffed dragon is cute!

[@admontblanc]

People who only watched the show have no idea just how powerful greenseing is, and dragon dreamers are kind of the valyrian variety of green seers, those dreams are the reason House Targaryen survived the Doom in the first place, and I think Aegon I also had them, if I'm not mistaken, the dreams are what led him to go on with the conquest. Rhaegar also seems to have had the dreams and it was that which made him so obssessed with the prophecies to begin with. The fact that the show cuts out basically any kind of internal monologue scene just diminishes the quality of the story seeing as how most of the magic events are told/explained either from these monologues or from lesser characters' povs. D&D are secretly maesters of the citadel, hellbent on their conspiracy to erase magic from the world.

[@VictoriaTraducciones]

People who only watched the show have no idea about basically all the important aspects and plot points of the story

[@UrameshiNHK]

If your doing a series on if Dany will become the "Mad Queen" in the books , you should first establish what is meant by "Mad Queen". Is it becoming like Aerys II, being delusional and insane? Or is "Mad Queen" just short hand for turning into a much darker/morally corrupt figure? I feel like the distinction is important to make, one is a much easier sell than the other. Also, we know that GRRM gave D&D basic bullet points on how he plans on ending some character and story arcs. Knowing how much D&D love fan service (think Arya killing the Freys, and Cleganebowl) and also morally whitewashing characters ( Dany allowing the wineseller and his daughters to be tortured by the Shavepate, being cut from the show/ Also cutting morally questionable Tyrion from ADWD); the most important question is why would D&D end Dany's character arc this way if not told by GRRM? Based on what we know about D&D if they could come up with an original show only ending that is separate from what GRRM told them, they would have ended Dany's arc with her marrying Jon or dying giving birth to her and Jon's baby, or something with a lot of fan service. This alone makes me think that Dany's ending in the books will be very dark, I know this is only part 1 but I hope you guys address this point in your video series.

[@nexis1293]

Yeah the prick Jon's going to go mad too isn't he, burning gillys hand so she goes along with the baby swap, forcing Aly karstark to marry a Thane, all conveniently left out of the show. Tyrion rapes a slave girl in volantis, murders an innocent man just for paying shaye too much attention, I guess Jon and tyrion have been set up also to go into madness

[@pplr1]

One of the biggest mistakes D and D ever made with this series is arguably not coming up with their own ending. Doing so would've made for less character breaking from as they had made those characters to be.

[@justinpachi3707]

I feel like Dany won’t go crazy in the books. Slaver’s Bay might blow up in her face causing her to leave in disgust instead of with the High note at the end of Season 6. She’ll likely be more cynical and jaded as a result of this. She might actually be more ruthless in Westeros like here own ancestor. But believing fAegon to be a pretender she deposed him in a second Dance, but the Wildfire beneath Kings Landing destroy the city. Everyone one Westeros hates Dany because she deposed the popular Aegon VI. Everyone believed he was the true King and Dany is the usurper. Dany is percieved to be a Mad Queen by the Westerosj with here Unsullied and Dothraki army.

[@cansucapkinci485]

Okay maybe that will sound crazy but what the hell ı dont believe dany is really targerayen ın the book there is a strong emphasis on “remember who you are” and also inconsistincy with red door and other stuff the big twist might be about her idendity rather than her state of mind

[@x2z964]

Cansu Capkinci I don't believe she is Aerys II's daughter. Though she has to be a Targaryen of some kind because how else would she have brought the dragons into the world?

[@drunkenmumble]

Cansu Capkinci I’m inclined to agree, honestly, I think what cinches it is the willingness to sell Dany Viserys has, even if he hated her for killing Rhaella on birth I think that he would want to keep her as his own wife, the true blood of Old Valyria is said to be powerful, and many pretend. I’ve always had a weird thought that she was Ned and Ashara’s babe, maybe she was secreted onto Viserys and Darry from the stepstonnes around Dorne by someone? *also to clarify I assume the silver hair and purple eyes are recessive traits in Daynes, since Gerold Dayne has a streak or shock of white in his dark hair

[@cansucapkinci485]

X 2Z there are other houses which share same similiar traits with targaryen because they also root back to valaria ı think it might be the case since old valaria had to magic power and targaryens were only one house among them

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@I am Negan yep i think Dany definately has targ blood, i also think she almost certainly was Rhaella's kid. but was she Aerys II's? there is alot of doubt here

[@popalupa4844]

“Remember who you are” refers to the Mother of Dragons. It’s supposed to be that all this time she’s been trying to be a magnanimous ruler in Meereen, when that’s not who she really is. She’s a conqueror, and liberator, and a leader. It has nothing to do with her genetics.

[@tyrellesmith9265]

I personally don't have a problem with Dany doing what she does. I have a big problem with the execution of it and while in the show and in the books she shows a real brutal side to her personality and a lot of self righteousness, it does not make up for this turn of events. The show leaves out a lot of her more compassionate actions like her treating the plague victims, or her not harming the children of the masters of Mereen. I enjoy a fall to the dark side story that shows how much power can corrupt but such a thing has to be done carefully. The show these past few seasons is constantly telling us different things. We are at one point supposed to view Dany not listening to her advisors as a sign of madness, while at the same time showing all of her advisors to be somewhat incompetent and indicating that had she trusted her gut things would be a lot better off. Had Dany gone to King's Landing, unleashed her 3 dragons and claimed the throne, Jon and her would have had a much easier time defeating the White Walkers and avoiding all this drama and mass murder. It's a matter of telling us how mad she is without really showing us. In season 7 she completely abandons her goal to help Jon save humanity, puts trust in her enemies listens to every terrible idea Tyrion has for her and ultimately sacrifices one of her children for the greater good. A person who does that would not flip into Hitler this quickly and having a few tidbits of foreshadowing is not enough to justify it. All while she is doing these actions that paint a very strong picture of a real righteous leader, the show is only telling us that she's borderline crazy so watch out. The incongruity of this is really frustration to watch. Ultimately I am okay with this happening in the story as long as it's well executed which I believe GRR Martin can pull off much better than D&D

[@leonievw2466]

Exactly this! :)

[@marcostargaryen4181]

I just want daenerys to find the house with the red door BUT i got a felling that she will die fighting the others/white walkers in the riverlands ( just like her brother Rhaegar targaryen ).

[@katiePetsy]

I'm thinking it'll be similar to the show with Jon killing her and being the Azor Ahai prophecy. Azor ahai failing to make his sword in water and the heart of a lion is Jon fighting (but not the one to defeat) the white walkers and Cersei. He saves the world by preventing Dany's wars by killing the woman he loves (stab in the heart)

[@bethaofhouseblackwood234]

@@katiePetsy no offense but Jon is a traitor who chose to indanger the woman he loves because he couldn't keep a secret like Ned stark did to protect him. Heart of a lion, more like heart of a coward

[@katiePetsy]

@@bethaofhouseblackwood234 well I never said he had the heart of a lion. He killed a mass murderer who would go on to kill more people. If Dany really cared about her family and peace to the realm she would have accepted the throne was never hers. But she didn't because all she loved in the end was power

[@bethaofhouseblackwood234]

@@katiePetsy He killed a mass murderer, Jon and his shit family betrayed her for no reason whatsoever, Dany losing those people around her to save the shit north and westeros from annihilation. The throne does belong to Dany, Jon snow bent the knee dumbass and the north was officially under Danys rule. It was the shitty Starks who went against the agreement that both Jon and Dany came to, have you forgotten season 7 when Jon bent the knee after Dany saved his useless arse?. The starks drew first blood and broke there honour after Dany agree with Jon to send her army's up north to save them. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa told cercei that Dany was heading back to dragonstone losing viserion

[@SaneMillennial]

@@bethaofhouseblackwood234 I don't think something like that will happen in the books though so don't judge Jon yet. Jon is his father's son.

[@hannahbrennan2131]

If Dany does go Mad Queen in the books, it'll be a lot better set up and executed than it was on the show. George R. R. Martin actually knows how to competently write a character arc.