Game of Thrones Prequel: Bloodmoon | The Official First Look At HBO's 35 Million Dollar Disaster

[@judithbradford9130]

The more Martin fills in the backstory of Song of Ice and Fire, the more it tortures everyone that THE STORY IS NOT FINISHED.

[@KingSlayer_.]

Well, at the very least, it helps keep us occupied while we're waiting for him to finish winds

[@Ghiscari]

@@KingSlayer_.He’s not going to finish winds, my guy. He doesn’t care anymore. Even if he did and he does. There’s still one more that needs to be written. The story won’t ever be finished.

[@RogerRoger15]

he'd rather never finish and go out on top than release a bad book that tarnishes his legacy. He will die doing back story and tv shows and somebody will have to finish it for him

[@yulaswift2439]

Yep, he doesn’t know how to rescue the storyline after the TV show DEBACLE 🤮

[@yaboirairai]

I am confident in the assumption that in 10 years generative AI will be so good that we will be able to feed it the books that GRRM has already written and ask it to finish the last two books and it will do a better job than he ever would have.

[@ajwinberg]

I literally don't care about all these prequels. I want him to just finish the books for the main story.

[@Eddiedoherty22]

Here here.👏

[@shanehardy8833]

Completely agree

[@jessicapendleton5188]

Word

[@turbokid8719]

Yeah & house of the dragon was meh

[@Fenris30]

The Past is Prologue.

[@GinsuSher]

This guy will write ANYTHING as long as it isn't the continuation of the MAIN ASOIAF books. FML.

[@cerberusloyalist5038]

and he has the nerve to get mad if anyone asks about it.

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

And he apparently refused to let anyone finish the books.

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

@@ARCtrooperblueleaderIf he actually had plans to finish it, I would be okay with that. But he’s so goddamn petty

[@thecount3965]

To be fair more people will see the shows than read the books and the shows are like god tier level tv

[@justinhamilton8647]

@@carastone3473He didn’t write this but he has time to write Dunk & Egg and help out on HOtD. I wish he would just come out and admit that the threads are too many to weave into a coherent story and he lost his passion, instead of every year being like “I’m 2/3 done and if I don’t release it next year jail me! Anyway here’s a new D&E” What a shame. And I don’t even blame him anymore; a 75 year old man in an old, obese body. If I were him I would disown the series entirely, hand everything off to someone I trust and sit back to relax.

[@edward-jamesgardner776]

I get the whole "lack of source material" argument, but I disagree. The lack of source material, in my mind, isn't the limiting factor in all this. It's the lack of quality writers who can create a compelling story of the breadcrumbs that Martin already laid out, as sparse as they may seem. As a fan of OG Star Wars canon, there was the Old Republic Era, which had Revan, Darth Bane, and many other great stories. 22,000 years worth of content just from one line from Obi-wan's line from a New Hope: "For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic". What you need to make Bloodmoon on par, or even better than Game of Thrones is a team of dedicated and creative writers who draw inspiration from what is known about that era but have the vision to create their original material when appropriate. This is something that is lacking in many modern franchises. The building blocks are there, but you cannot have writers so reliant on Martin that he must baby them throughout the creative process. My two cents.

[@saymyname2417]

*THIS* !!!

[@thebrospaul2312]

Since I find it hard to believe anyone can tell a george story as good as George I have to disagree a little Noone else really writes like Martin now. I certainly don't trust anyone at HBO and I'd much rather have Martin working on another project

[@tomasvrabec1845]

This would be on par with creating a Marvel like universe. No offence but Got and Start Wars is rather different contextually. 1. Start wars was a movie franchise. It's easier to make by a heavy heavy mile than TV series. Especially as movie is 2/2.5 hours at max. TV series of this proportions equates to approximately 80 hours of show... 2. Got was far more inclusive in a detailed universe than even 3 movies can be. Hence why you need to go deeper and more related. Explain it.make a long show. 3. Got was one. These long term connected series don't come from one of shows. Yes.. it sound counterintuitive because Blood moon would make it More Shows. But they are so distantly related that it indeed barely connects to the looks and make up of Got. The outcome was important - white walkers, but the Universe is quite different. You don't get any of the same houses, You don't get Dragons, you don't get the myths of Valiria, you don't even get the same Ethnic make up (for that area). It's like GoT was set in 1350 where people referred to Great Roman Empire (Valiria) in 200BC..... Where as Blood moon would be set Europe but would cover events of the Yamnaya Culture in 3300 BC. The blood moon is Officially 10 000 years before events of Got.... The damn Wall was built 8000 years ago so the Blood Moon would not even have the building of the wall. Yes the events of that culture are important and what occurred set the events down the line... But it is ultimately so different that it is like a standalone show. Hence why House of the Dragon is a better option for a First Spon-Off show. Likely followed by some events in Valiria as a third show. Then there might be a show like the blood moon. Tbh, it would be more suitable to make it as a miniseries of events than a full series show. The age of heroes stretched over Thousands of years - the pact, creation of white walkers, building of the wall and establishment of some of the old houses have all stretched for Milenia... It would be a show made of time jumps that are centuries apart.

[@thoronthol1175]

Yes, you are utterly correct.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@tomasvrabec1845 and since the endgame with the White Walkers ended like dogsh*t it would be hard to get fans engaged or interested in another story with them being an ominous element. I don't think fans care about the Song of Ice and Fire prophecy in House of the Dragon either outside of the part saying "a Targaryen must sit the Iron Throne"

[@sgtbeercanyt]

If HBO managed to have 2 different GOT shows running in between each others breaks itd be incredible. Feel like its been too long since the last episode of house of the dragon aired.

[@s4m1r_65]

There's a reason the MCU's quality has diminished drastically over the past years. It was the oversaturation of shows and movies coming multiple times a year. And it started because fans kept asking for more when things were good. Obviously, when you make more, the quality diminishes. The longevity of the game of thrones franchise can only be possible if they make less shows, not more. More shows will result in less quality. HBO is doing the right thing in taking their time

[@eirikwegga]

That's what they're doing with the upcoming A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (the Dunk & Egg show).

[@brandonsGdup]

Way.

[@tatum635]

@@s4m1r_65this isn’t exactly the same thing. Disney had like a movie a month in addition to Disney plus shows. GOT would only be like 2 shows at once ….

[@barrythompson9777]

And having 2 "unrelated" shows film at once could spell disaster for both. These shows are EXPENSIVE. Imagine 1 doing "ok" and the other not doing well. They would want to get rid of one to save $ and pool resources to fix the other as quietly as possible. The chance of them both making w/out them both being major hits, is ver slim.

[@dimvots6729]

Sanderson : I have these books ready and more. Martin : books? what about prequels of prequels of prequels.

[@akadopeboi]

haha just started a Brandon Sanderson book its SO GOOD

[@joshmccarty8800]

Sanderson does literally the same thing lol. He just announced another secret project he wrote when his brain hurt from stormlight five. The main difference is Sanderson makes deadline’s and George doesn’t. It’s actually probably a good idea to work on something else when you reach an impasse.

[@farmgirlrebel1333]

Sanderson is next level.

[@DD-to5ig]

Sanderson will be finishing GRRM's series for him.

[@lyndonx]

@@DD-to5igI’m seriously thinking that’s possible

[@melissablackwood]

Meh, even if Blood Moon sucks, I'd probably still watch it just out of curiosity.

[@TalkingThrones]

Same

[@EmArgh]

*sucked

[@markgregorygacosta531]

​​@@TalkingThronesyou said it yourself, martin didn't write most of the story of this doomed project, and with the way they went with the race and casting of the children of the forest and white folks in westerosi being rich, it's almost become a clear allegory of real life colonialism and racism. It takes me out of the fantasy. Will I watch garbage that Martin didn't write just so you can go back to that world? No thanks, we already have HOTD for that part.

[@WhiteWolf1980]

​@@EmArghtechnically "sucks" can be correct because the series would be ongoing at the time he would decide to watch it, making it in the present sense. ✌️

[@mukke9728]

Gee, I wonder why GRRM never picks up writing Winds again…

[@darthplagueis8886]

I´d really would love to see Roberts Rebellion, could be such an amazing 3 to 4 season show.

[@ohb3]

He said he doesn’t want to make it because the “story” has already been told. He’s FOS, He releases that, GOT is back on top, even maybe just make a movie out of it. I don’t understand what’s the hold up in creativity.

[@j.c.ca.o.l7035]

Me too

[@shoazdon7000]

⁠@@ohb3I disagree, nothing can top the success of game of thrones at its peak, it was a culture phenomenon. The only thing that could do it is Aegon the conqueror or a series about Valeria and it’s fall

[@Jetghostwolf]

Hell yes

[@andreim.5324]

I agree. I've wanted a show about Robert's rebellion ever since GOT was still running. A 3-4 seasons of that show would ve great. To see some characters we only know from others stories as well as seeing all our amazing GOT characters in their young version. I would have loved to see a young Tywin, Jorah, Jaime, Robert, Barristan, Oberyn, etc. The show could start with the tragedy of Summerhall and end with Robert's ascention on the throne. I still hope to see this story put on the screen someday. I know Martin said he does not want to, but if enough people are asking for it, he might change his mind, or HBO change his mind. Even though we know the story, it would be amazing to see it. We know the story in House of the Dragon but we still love seeing it on the screen.

[@drsavage3262]

Everything you mentioned in the last few minutes is EXACTLY why I wanted Bloodmoon! Damnit HBO! At least we have the next season of HOTD to look forward to.

[@MrJackdotw]

I'd personally love to see a show about the founding of different great houses. Starks vs Red Kings, Lann the clever taking Casterly Rock and the invasion of Nymeria could all be really interesting stories to tell.

[@jamesperkins191]

Lann the Clever was reportedly a key feature of Bloodmoon dude

[@JonS]

Personally, I prefer it when legends remain as that. Explain them and you remove mystery from the a created world, and make it feel less real. This is something Tolkien understood.

[@Fenris30]

Yes there should be Legends in the world but We as the Reader are outside of that world so are privy to any point in it's history. We are as Gods when it comes to storytelling cause we can see into the very minds of the protagonists. Why deny yourself understanding?

[@JonS]

@@Fenris30 quite simply because if you want to have a world that feels 3D, actually 4D, you need to emulate the increasing vagueness of the past the further back you go. If you explain everything, you immediately make your world feel flat (temporally) and smaller. It’s like how most fantasy books have maps that only show part of their world, thereby implying a much larger world that serves as a sandbox for the readers’ imaginations. Show the entire world and you’ve placed limits on it. They could get away with it if they created another set of legends going back even earlier, but that world-building takes time.

[@lucawasserer]

@@JonS Absolutely, the Dance of Dragons for example, felt like this grand, epic, violent struggle with different 'historians' having different views on it and you had to piece together the truth. House of the Dragons makes everything boil down to some misunderstandings and transforms the epic continent wide struggle to a familiy feud with like 10 people and 3 locations.

[@cfgonyea]

So the writers were upset they’d have to actually think of things to write themselves and not take out of a book???

[@codycraft2572]

It could’ve created too much confusion because it’s not coming from George himself

[@mmack66]

Well, we all know how that works out, so they were smart.

[@owenbridgers]

You know what happens when writers try and make their own stuff up

[@killlamas57]

I don’t blame them, they tried to do that with Game of Thrones and that was a disaster

[@spicychad55]

you know how lazy they and Hollywood are? they base pretty much everythig off of books,tv and older movies.

[@uandubh5087]

I always find time frames like this where we go thousands of years back in time just to find the same houses, same names, same locations, same symbols, same technology etc ridiculous. It's like a completely static world that doesn't change in any meaningful way. It kind of ruins immersion for me in a way. I think people don't realise how insanely long of a timespan 5000 years actually is.

[@braindeadhoovy2562]

Exactly lol we had the rise and fall of the roman empire and hundreds more in the last 2000 years

[@ThyAxeman]

In 5000 years we went from building stonehenge to going to the moon lol

[@dontme5670]

@@ThyAxemanbut no dragons

[@carmenbirb1687]

I figure a world with real dragons and real magic probably didn't need much for extravagant technology. But we get hints that the free cities are more technologically advanced than in the western world, which is more religious.

[@antonjohansson3819]

Awoiaf tells that they was on bronze age level and a lot fewer ships before the Andals arrived.

[@JPain7]

Bloodmoon would have been close to my perfect spin-off show. Go deeper into the white-walkers and Long Night, and explore more of Lands of Always Winter. Actually go into their symbols, magic and motives along with their history and daily life. My second most wished spin-off would be a show that delves into Asshai, or Sothoryos. Even Ulthos. I wish they would go wild exploring the edges of the map and really get creative with the dark creatures and magic that exists. I know GRRM wants to keep all that stuff as vague as possible, but it’s so perfectly set for more expanded lore since he hasn’t written much about those things

[@jacks1bonnielass]

5:16 Fking LMAOOOOOO Bahahahaha I literally nearly choked on my breakfast 🤣 🤣

[@Kieran-d7r2t]

Everyone are Snowflakes

[@justineharper3346]

I wasn’t too interested in Bloodmoon, but I know Jamie Campbell Bowers was in it, and I’m dying to have him join the ASOIAF world. I think he would be the perfect Bloodraven if they ever introduce the younger version of him

[@JoshuaThomas-dt3hg]

I still would like to see a these three stories: 1. Arya what’s west of Westeros 2. The Doom of Valyria 3. The first Long Night

[@little.tricks]

I'd like to see the height of Valyria's power and prosperity leading up to and including the Doom.

[@RamblinManTV]

The answer to number one is the last light and that's it

[@scratchy996]

No more prequels. Let mysteries be mysterious, not everyone and everything needs an origin story. I hoped the Jon Snow sequel show would focus on them going to find Arya in the West, after Bran has a frightening vision. Jon gathers a team of merry men and Brienne, and goes to find a continent that's much more dangerous than Westeros, with a political powder keg. That's how they can have a diverse cast without having to retcon things, and increase the stakes. Also have Bran finally do stuff.

[@OpeningsOpenings]

Agreed!!! I mean agreed about the initial posters 3 choices We saw so much about the Dance and the Blackfyre rebellion and Roberts rebellion in the histories and lore. I don’t need any more of that

[@vladimirlagos2688]

Really, Arya's non-canonic weird TV closure is what you most want to see? Bold choice...

[@seto_kaiba_]

Still no Winds of Winter eh George?

[@acepotter6053]

I cant take it anymore

[@commiehunter733]

George personally has chosen not to write the ending.... you can't convince me otherwise

[@chrisjolly4880]

He can't handle the pressure all these weirdos put on him. Will that said he signed up for it and it would be great if he finished it. He won't because it could NOT live up to everyone's preconceived expectations

[@jamesperkins191]

​​@@commiehunter733he's reportedly written a few hundred more pages last year, still not optimistic though.

[@grueti21]

there will never be. Dance was the last that.

[@Sirsg]

I think HBO remembered the fan response from S8, and thought, "Do we want to relive that?"

[@ironvlogger9712]

Don't worry they have a series about fleabottom in development..... That was sarcastic btw

[@GinsuSher]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that were true.

[@ironvlogger9712]

@@GinsuSher I heard that it was. Because originally, we were supposed to get a Long Knight series. A series about how it all went down, particularly the founding of the Watch. But it got canceled after season 8 happened. The studio had a knee jerk reaction and canceled the long night along other potential ideas they were considering for GOT going forward. Maybe if they did their jobs it would have been decent maybe soothe the anger that came with Season 8. But after that, after they shot their one chance dead, they apparently went back to the drawing board made a NEW list of spin offs. House of the Dragon is one result and thankfully it's decent. But the others that are in development are alledegly the Fleabottom series and a series about Narmaria And I couldn’t give a direwolfs arse about either of them. I want the long night. We should petition for a long night series especially since George doesn't want to finish the books(I think we know why now) We deserve something as good as GOT season 1 through 3

[@willowflowerchild]

Why can’t GRRM just finish the story and plug away on backstory after? I don’t get it.

[@AnitaClue]

I'm a writer with a very similar personality type to Martin's and I can tell you that the stories come when they come. Sure we can sit down and pound on a keyboard day after day but that doesn't mean the story story we want is the one that's showing up on the screen/page. It's incredibly frustrating to want very much to finish a story but not be able to get the words to come. Trying to force it only makes it worse because stress destroys our creativity, and there's no point in typing out 10000 words of crap that you can't even use. Introverted intuitives do not think, work, or write the same way as other people do. It can be hard for people to wrap their heads around, but it shouldn't be. It's been documented over and over again throughout history that human beings are not all the same. And I can admit that there are days when I wish I had a different personality, one that more people understood, and one that is better suited to modern society.

[@IsabellaCoelho]

He is afraid of failure.

[@timothyphoenix1081]

He has a massive mental block, no doubt from all the pressure to finish and "get it right" - especially after what happened with the tv series. I understand how he feels because I've had the so-called "writer's block" too. It doesn't matter how much you sit down to write, nothing will come (that's any good). He needs to find a way to let go of the pressure involved and maybe he never will. It ain't about plugging away. It's an internal issue. This is why he can write other things fine - they don't contain the same level of pressure and fear he has around failure. So when he sits down to write, it will flow easily. I know this because I was the same. I could do pretty much anything else with my time, but when it came to writing my novel (the one thing I REALLY wanted to do!) - nothing. The fear would paralyse me. It is hard to understand unless you've experienced it (and it can happen in any form of work, not just writing).

[@artisans8521]

Because the horse drawing disaster season 6 to 8 were. He has basically 2 options. A: follow the HBO disaster or B: betray about a planet full off viewers and write a new ending in his way. The first looks about as harrowing as the second. I wouldn't like to be in his shoes.

[@AnitaClue]

@@artisans8521 there's no need to change his ending at all. He will write it in a way that makes sense. It's not possible that it will follow everything done on the show because too many changes were made in the TV adaptation that cannot be done the same in the books (killing off characters who are still alive, combining characters, deleting huge subplots, etc).

[@ants-in-my-eyesjohnson1271]

Blood Moon was the only ASOIAF show I wanted. I was sooooo turned off when they cancelled that. Still bummed out.

[@jamesperkins191]

Yeah I'm not convinced they did any real market research for this

[@katsuo3228]

Something else I would really like to see is a series about Old Valyria during it's height of civilization.

[@little.tricks]

Me too. Let's see the height of their civilization and then lead it up to and include the Doom and the Targaryens escape

[@isnagfn2257]

I just hope he finishes WOW and dream of spring before too late, it's his legacy

[@wellhungindung]

Only two books and twenty to go, lads!

[@thecatfather857]

5:16 For f*ck's sake! Whoever pitched that idea should've been fired on the spot!

[@alexanderberzosa]

They don't learn, do they? 🤮

[@420bengalfan]

they probably got promoted

[@ewoknips5154]

seriously. oof....

[@Brock_in_the_North]

Would have been fine the other way round though. No complaints from anybody. Just saying.

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

I really wanted this series. They could have just kept the CotF green, or if they wanted them black, just don't make them complete savages. They shouldn't have been depicted as "savages" anyway, just different. Such an easy fix. Snowflakes on the internet really do ruin everything.

[@joethekrow1]

Nobody gaf about prequels or sequels. Finish the fukin books

[@thegreatid3595]

Honestly as long as we get a prequel about the early Starks, how Lann the clever took casterly rock from the casterlys, I'd be happy.

[@jamesperkins191]

THAT WAS THIS :-(

[@bdavidson8658]

It would be cool to at least see the pilot. Live action series(not animated) of Aegon's conquest is what I want to see.

[@Akva77]

They should have started with that one

[@AnitaClue]

There's probably a reason why they can't release it, but I'm sure there are people who would be willing to buy it on DVD or digital.

[@jamesperkins191]

I'll watch and resevre my own judgement. Haters telling me "trust me it's crap" is not a real argument

[@seanohalloran384]

Naomi Watts was robbed. HBO should clean the pilot up and release it as a one off film or something. I also want to see the original "bad" GOT pilot. Great video!

[@jamesperkins191]

The bad GOT pilot is on youube somewhere iirc, and it might be a DVD extra too

[@AbdullahSediqi23]

George needs to STOP DOING EVENTS and finish the books already

[@lilakatze]

That's what we all long for! However, I wouldn't keep my hopes high at this point. It's been 13 years. I've made my peace with the thought that when George is gone, somebody else will finish his books and give us the ending.

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

​@@lilakatzeGRRM is on record saying that that isn't going to happen.

[@nox4298]

@@Edmures_rampant_manhoodyeah that’s only half of it and without proper context. Adam Whitehead said: “What he also said, once at a convention (possibly WorldCon 2012 or 2013), with a long-suffering look, is that if he was in the same situation as Robert Jordan, being diagnosed with a terminal illness but with a couple of years warning, then he would strongly consider writing a detailed outline or even talking to another writer about doing it (he knows a few). But it’d have to be that very specific set of circumstances.”

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

@@nox4298 I was sure he said he wouldn't do it, but in this case I'm happy to be wrong.

[@lilakatze]

@@Edmures_rampant_manhood sorry, could you please specify what exactly he said isn't going to happen?

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

There was so much potential with Blood Moon, something so far into the lore that they could have done countless things with it. The beginning of some of the biggest houses, the involvement of the white walkers and how they were defeated. Azor Ahai, etc....But the idea that Naomi Watts would have been Lan the Clever makes my blood(moon) boil. But I sort of feel like they should have fixed Season 8 before doing Blood Moon/the Long Night given the White Walkers' involvement. I still would love them to fix Season 8, doing some reshooting, editing scenes, etc...I had this idea where during the Long Night battle in Season 8 that Jaime instead of Theon would have been the Bran protector and Bran would have projected his powers making Jaime sees that they were destined to be connected. And then as the Night King would be about to slay Jaime, Bran would have worked out his power to affect time and the three Bran, Jaime and the NK would have gone back in time at this era of Blood Moon. So you could have this cliffhanger leading to the new show. Jaime, Bran and the NK would end up there not remembering who they are. And they essentialy would become Bran the Builder, Lan the Clever and the OG NK.

[@AnitaClue]

They will never fix Season 8. The best anyone could do is offer a time-split where the Season 8 issues wouldn't originally have happened, but an alternate reality was created and we got what we got.

[@jamesperkins191]

Despite what is claimed, she wasn't Lann The Clever, she was mama-Stark, Lann was her stepson.

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@AnitaClueTelevision is the art of the possible.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@jamesperkins191 ah thanks

[@AnitaClue]

@@jamesperkins191 except that it isn't art when the guys in the suits are making dollars and cents decisions. HBO will not admit to messing up the ending by remaking an entire season.

[@OryxArya]

For those wanting old Valyria, 10,000 Ships will be the show for them. This is the one I am most excited for! Nymeria leading her people away from destruction by the dragon lords, attempting to settle nightmarish magical lands before finally making it to Dorne. It has the potential to be epic

[@Danceswithfishes]

TBH, I like House of the Dragon, but Im also losing interest in the whole thing. Martin won't finish the original story because I suspect he painted himself into a corner. He let HBO write the ending (which he said its oretty much what he'd envisioned), and this ending has proven unpopular.

[@missym877]

This just goes to show how Hollywood is lacking any creative ideas and they’re not hiring creative people. There use to be a time where tv writers could come up with entire storylines off a premise or concept and not need a completed book to do it.

[@janceldumdum9884]

They could've at least shown the first episode. So that the viewers will critic if it's either good or bad.

[@Klynch111]

Probably wrote it off for tax so then it definitely won't be able to be viewed

[@Yugigreg]

I liked GoT because of the Politics & Betrayals. Not the mystical fantasy stuff. I wish we had more of the backstabbing & no character is safe in some spin-offs

[@SpiritGirlSF]

Politics and betrays, George should have kept his mouth shut in his last Not a blog.

[@thecatfather857]

@@SpiritGirlSF Haven't seen it, what did he say?

[@shyguy9102]

Exactly, that's what made GoT interesting and stand out from the rest of TV shows

[@jpmusson]

What I actually want to see is a series that covers the doom of Valyria (S1) and Aegon’s conquest (S2+)

[@rolstonholas333]

If they made the first episode, why don't they show it as a special presentation & then gauge audience interest?

[@void.sawyer]

I really feel like they just put it on the shelf because they were worried without much of the same family names and places and dragons that people wouldn't watch and they decided to feed the hype beast with something more safe and close to GOT. I really hope they circle back because there is so much room for an amazing show to emerge out of this.

[@AnitaClue]

That budget was out of control though. $35 million for one episode...without dragons? Maybe after HotD is done, they'll look into it again.

[@jamesperkins191]

And given it's a part of history with scant surviving record, who is to say there weren't dragons? I think Goldman was saving them up for an end-of-season finale

[@matiasdevaglia4541]

​@@AnitaClue35 millions for the first episode of a series like this isn't that much. They had to build all the sets, wardrobe and props that would've been used later in the rest of the episodes. They hired high profile actors, lots of extras and I'm sure expensive digital effects were used in some scenes. This had to look equal in quality to later seasons of Game of Thrones, after all.

[@AnitaClue]

@@jamesperkins191 GRRM said there weren't dragons.

[@AnitaClue]

@@matiasdevaglia4541 the entire budget for season 8 of GoT was $90 million. The seven most expensive episodes they ever made were $15 million each. The $35 mil they spent on Bloodmoon, ep 1, works out to more than a third (38.9% to be exact) of entire GoT Season 8 budget. That kind of spending is not sustainable in light of the fact that shows like this get more expensive as they continue, not less. GoT's per episode cost more than doubled over the run of the show.

[@mtking4]

I agree, was probably the most hype of all the other series, i hope they revisit this :(

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

Yeah. This and the Jon Snow show. I'm personally kinda sick of dragons and dragon riders at this point.

[@ManyGhosts]

Wow, those decisions about the races sound horrible! What were they thinking?!?!

[@JayShuffleboson]

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ABOUT RACISM, EVERRRRYYYYYTTTHHHIIIIINNNNNGGGG

[@chheinrich8486]

Well these Hollywood types often in their attempted to be more diverse create these rascists or tone deaf moments

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

speaking from the makeup point, white faces do make pretty bland canvasses to work on.. having said that, why are people more offended at being 'creatures of the wood'than being cast as incestuous murdering fraudes? I'd take the woods any day of the week. Barbarians have more honour than the Lannisters.

[@OpeningsOpenings]

I am annoyed with that possibly being the reason especially when we have a watered down version of that with the Valaryons- Lords who were the lesser power in old Valaryia who are now subordinate in the HOTD Westeros with its house leader being constantly dismissed except when the Royal houses need help… The son and daughter of the main house being second choices- one of whose lover was killed and no consequence was faced after. I mean… It’s uncomfortable for me to watch but I put it aside because I love the lore itself. I just try to imagine them all as White characters. This type of inclusion is worse than no inclusion- IMHO

[@SamBrickell]

*"diversity is our strength!"* (that's why we have to push it so hard instead of letting it succeed based on it's merits)

[@narrowpath6899]

I want Jon Snow show and see where Drogon went...

[@liswelsch4259]

YESSS!!!!!

[@danbauer3669]

Drogon took Daenarys to the Necromancers in Asshai and she will come back as the night queen! Or the blood queen! Or the zombie queen! I thought the show made that obvious....

[@marksaunders3723]

@@danbauer3669 Fanfiction is not what Snow was going to be about. Lol

[@justbreathe_]

I really want to see Drogon.

[@marksaunders3723]

@@justbreathe_ You won't.

[@Anthony_Gx]

If a pilot cost 35 million to produce, this means cost per episode are very high. Especially when having to film major battles or action sequences. They reserve budget for filming pilots and they calculate many of them not making it. You can only judge a show properly once you are able to see what it’s like. We have to be thankful they gave GOT a second chance after that first awful pilot. Imagine that had lead to actual cancellation (as was the plan). We’d never have the series nor HOTD 😮

[@jamesperkins191]

A lot of cost will amortize - sets and costumes will be reused, bringing the per-episode cost down. but yes, battle scenes are still expensive

[@christinestevenson4304]

I would love to see the making of winterfell, the 13th commander, all of it! I would love to read the full series being finished, but that is never going to happen. You are doing a great job with the videos!

[@cassier3544]

Agreed! The 13th lord commander would have been awesome !

[@jeffallen4393]

I also thought this one was the most exciting one of the spinoffs

[@JimdeeWestern]

It’s crazy how much a show cost millions and millions of dollars

[@JoezerdanielleAnot]

We need to create a petition to bring back the the blood moon guys we need to act how many looks like a really great show

[@BrandyBaker-gj7vo]

I'm down with that.

[@jamesperkins191]

Maybe we will get it as an anime - many of the proposed spinoffs are animated, and while Dunk & Egg isn't it probably SHOULD be.

[@Holy-Hand-Grenade-of-Antioch]

5,000 years and no real technological advancements except more powerful crossbows for Joffrey. 😂

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

you can have magic or you can have science, not both.

[@ryno1509]

You know we had no technological advancements for thousands of years too right if anything it regressed to worse than thousands of years ago until the industrial revolution

[@Holy-Hand-Grenade-of-Antioch]

@@ryno1509 ofcourse but we didn't advance to the point of building castle's and having lords and then 5,000 years go by and we're still at the same point was my meaning. I understand there is a limit to how in depth george will go. I guess maybe after the 1st long night things regressed or stagnated.

[@kimberlyrobinson3992]

See, that’s a point I’d like to see addressed. I don’t necessarily need an entire series about it but I want to know why the entire world has stagnated, technologically. I mean, the Maesters have some nice things and I believe one of the theories is that they are holding advanced technology back from the people, for some reason. While I could buy that, it doesn’t explain why Essos is the same way. It’s not just Westeros; it’s the whole world. They’re stuck in various stages of our Middle Ages. I mean, you can tell, by the architecture and the clothing that there are some very skilled and creative people in Westeros. They are not lacking for artistic creativity. But, it’s like no one invents anything, anymore. As for, as someone said, magic and science not being able to live together, that’s not true. First of all, even if we only saw Oldtown briefly, the Maesters clearly have more access to the sciences that regular people do. So, the nation is already one of science. Also, if you think about it, Westeros isn’t that magical of a place. Dany’s dragons were the first ones in generations and, even when they were more plentiful, the average citizen didn’t have access to something like that. Most people don’t do any kind of magic. There is one species of magical animal, the dragons and not even all those who escapes Valeria can ride them. So, overall, Westeros has a low-key magic system. I feel that’s being artificially enforced and I’d like to know who’s behind it.

[@ryno1509]

@@Holy-Hand-Grenade-of-Antioch we had pyramids and structures we still aren’t sure how were built , the romans and Greeks had sewers, under floor heating, irrigation, and “modern” medicine also created a plaster/ cement (a thousand years before the dark ages..) that still holds and self repairs today, two thousand years later we only think we found the secret to that last year

[@robertgembala8532]

I am with some other people on here, regardless, if it’s good or bad, we all probably would watch it

[@Taykoe88]

I would have loved to have seen this show because they could have literally shaped the actual backstory and canon with a ton more detail. I think the idea of having to do so much without George's material though scared the writers to the point of not wanting to do it. I don't think(especially after the end of GOT) the writers had the confidence to do more of their own kinda improv. Also, I think a lot of the execs at HBO started having second thoughts on the route they took for the COTF. That alone when I heard it made me cringe a bit. That could have been fixed though. I love history and lore and especially the history and lore of ASOIAF. Expanding on that could have been so awesome. Especially if George directly helped, or at least gave outlines to, the writing team. Could have been sweet.

[@jamesperkins191]

Apparently George's input was "NO DRAGONS!" even though lore as written is at least ambiguous on the matter- Arrax, wild dragons on Dragonstone, whatever happened at Hardhome...

[@samq9339]

I'm right there with you I'm a huge fan of history. Getting a true history of the great houses and how they came to be would be great. I think people want dragons hence the heavy focus on the Targaryen's.

[@mourbonaventure7475]

The writers weren't scared at all. Based on reports they wrote garbage that denigrated black people. Who didn't want to do it was HBO, the people writing the check, not the people writing the plot. The plot writers would happily keep writing, but no one is paying them to.

[@inceptionarts2947]

I think Winds of Winter and a dream of spring has been written. I think he doesn't want to release it while alive 😢

[@Endoeart]

At this point I am so disappointed with this guy

[@cosmiccomedy7394]

It's difficult to be a die hard fan of the series. I love the world George created and I'm all for exploring different stories in Westeros. But damn talk about leaving us hanging on the main story...

[@SpiritGirlSF]

Beyond disappointed, betrayed is more like it. Last Not a blog says it all.

[@robbypodobinski824]

100 %

[@alexnguyen6382]

He'll pass away before the books will ever finish.

[@CyberSamuraii]

I watched a movie once called the long knight. In an incognito browser🙊

[@1uros1]

I still need a show with Night King!

[@medianvideos]

I wonder if there's a way... with a little more filming, to take what they filmed and turn it into a movie? That could be interesting.

[@colinswaby9370]

They could have made the show…excited about the white walkers from I watched the first episode of GOT with their first scene in the forest. In fact, I was about to stop watching it and then I saw the white walkers and fell in love with it.I feel like we didn’t get enough of the white walkers😩

[@hbsavage0387]

They completely fucked over the white walkers in GOT they just abandoned all their interesting plot hooks and such and then in the end were killed by Arya. There’s so much to them that gets set up and just doesn’t get explored in the show. The big two like what happened to the babies that they took and turned? What do all the symbols and stuff mean?

[@AnitaClue]

@@hbsavage0387 I've got a list of more than 100 questions about things that D&D left hanging. 😅

[@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970]

the monsters are never the heroes..

[@AnitaClue]

@@esmeraldaweatherwaxe970 generally that's true, but it would not surprise me if GRRM turned that on its head. Remember that every man is the hero of his own story. Whatever motivation the monsters have, they always believe they are justified in their actions, and that applies to human monsters too.

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@hbsavage0387The babies become new White Walkers, the symbols are a mockery of the runes etc used by the Children Of The Forest.

[@calebblack1420]

It pisses me off that these shows are 99% why Raised by Wolves got cancelled HBO couldn’t fund a finacially demanding facsinating sci fi story and the entire game of thrones catalogue at the same time. They only had a window to produce the first 2 seasons because there was no game of thrones any more to fill the areas they were lacking in. Then they shadow dropped 3 full episodes of raised by wolves to peak interest and keep people subscribed. Then they immediately tossed them aside when they didn’t need them anymore.

[@JohnlivesontheIsleofMannow]

This is the one I’d have loved to see probably more than HOTD! Lack of source material is a bad reason when you’ve got the original source sitting there.

[@jamesperkins191]

The source isn't relaible beyond a point anyway.

[@JohnlivesontheIsleofMannow]

@@jamesperkins191 if it’s a TV show the source will have no issue with spending his time on it…if it’s to finish a book then that’s a different matter 🤣

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@JohnlivesontheIsleofMannow I get what you're saying! But for the case of what happened during the original Long Night, canon is far from clear... what is known, or thought to be known is folklore and maybe stuff complied by Maesters and amateur achaeologists, much more a case of canon-runours rather than hard facts Now, out of universe George has said 'NO DRAGONS,' but the from the text itself it's ambiguous; there's legends of Dragons in Westeros predating Valyian involvement suchas Arrax and the mirror-knight, there were wild Dragons on Dragonstone and possibly around other volcanic islands, so personally I feel it's something that need not have been absent from Bloodmoon (I was hoping that it was something they were saving for an end-season twist). Anyway, maybe we will get an anime or graphic novel

[@youngoutlaw5150]

The problem is if HBO is want to do pre-calls there’s only one that makes sense because it’s so vague you can make up whatever you want and that is the age of heroes, but they want to do everything except for that

[@NJB1920]

I would love to see Bloodmoon series first because of I love Game Of Thrones legends, and I'd love to see the origins of Night walkers and the children of the forest and second cuz Naomi Watts looks fantastic. But the main reason I want to see more of The origins of the night walkers and the children who created them. I hope they will, and I hope they won't make it resist

[@BrandyBaker-gj7vo]

I was really upset when they pulled Bloodmoon. I was more looking forward to that than HOTD. I like Dragon, but Bloodmoon was the one that I really wanted. I cannot see myself getting excited over another GOT series the way I was with Bloodmoon.

[@jamesperkins191]

Yeah, HOTD is good, but since it's an adaption we know how it ends Bloodmoon? Not really, it's mostly a blackbox

[@MagashiSaizen]

I'm just sad for Naomi Watts, I haven't seen her in anything meaningful in years.

[@samanthalarocco8421]

She was in Twin Peaks Season 3.

[@matthewconstantine5015]

This would have been the only sort of prequel I'd be interested in. I generally don't like prequels unless they're far enough removed from the original story that I don't feel like I already know how everything plays out. I haven't watched House of the Dragon yet, but part of why I haven't is that it feels too close on the timeline to the events of the original show. Thinking of Star Wars as a prime example. I don't want to watch the story of young Obi-Wan, Darth Vader, and the Emperor. I've seen their stories. I'm comfortable with knowing their past from a few vague lines of dialog. But that's the mistake most folks make when making prequels. "Oh, you like this character? Well, let me explain EVERYTHING about them in excruciating detail." See also: the first 15 minutes of Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade, where every character trait established for Indy apparently came from one single day of his youth...ugh. For an example of a prequel that I do like, there's Philip Reeve's prequel to his Mortal Engines books. It's set thousands of years in the past. There are things that let us know it's the same world from the Mortal Engines series, even a few characters from myth who we get to see while they were alive. But the story told in this prequel was one that would have been lost to legend in the original books, so for the reader, its end results are not already known.

[@Jay-bee663]

I wish they would go.forward with the jon snow one.

[@OpeningsOpenings]

I really hope they don’t. I would have preferred an Arya Stark spinoff

[@jonm3131]

​@@OpeningsOpeningsNext thing you know she lands in Skyrim

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@jonm3131She might show up in the Yi Ti show

[@llednop]

So no Battle for the Dawn, Azor Ahai or anything like it. If well done, that show would've been so epic!

[@SpaceViking2000]

Somethings are better left as a mystery. And personally, that also includes Aegon’s conquest. I would love to see the first Blackfyre rebellion though. And Robert’s

[@duffman18]

Yep, explaining certain things in the story just takes all the mystery and coolness out of it and makes it dull, everyday, and mundane. The mystery, and not knowing the answers to certain things, it what makes them so incredibly fascinating. Because this world's lore is treated like real life, where there's a lot of rumours, missing evidence, biased historians who are maesters who have some kinda agenda they're pushing, etc. It's like the lore is written by in-universe maesters who have the equivalent knowledge of the world as, say, European historians and scholars in the middle ages did. And so the further away you get from westeros on the world map, the more crazy things become and the less is known about it and the things they do say about it may be exaggerated or misleading etc. That's why it's so fascinating. I don't know if there are other fantasy series do the same thing with their lore, but I love that ASOIAF is like this.

[@flacsmada]

i literally cant even listen to him speak anymore... 12 years? you have to be f'ing kidding

[@jacob4920]

Hearing what the plan was, in using the Children of the Forest, I'm actually glad this show got cancelled. Like, holy CRAP, that sounds like just about the worst possible idea anybody could come up with! And that's just the Children of the Forest! God knows what they would have done with a bunch of the other characters/peoples in that show!

[@jamesperkins191]

It's not the retcon everyone thinks it is... the Children aren't exactly lying, but what they say can very easily be misunderstood, and intentionally so

[@blaisebear6850]

As much as I like HotD, Blood Moon is the prequel era I’d be most interested to see. Shame it didn’t work out

[@warrengouldthorpe5091]

He really needs to finish the last 2 books

[@IdrisFenn537]

6:40 what is with the Samarian/Babylonia wall carvings? Seems not at all Westros.

[@jamesperkins191]

Makes it more ancient-y

[@IdrisFenn537]

@@jamesperkins191 i love made up words🤣

[@long_claw]

I think it was a cool concept for a show and I was looking forward to it. But the way Got ended, I don't think anyone gave a damn about the anti climatic White Walkers anymore. Got really ruined everything for the universe of Westeros.

[@robbypodobinski824]

Especially regarding anything with white walkers. They ruined it

[@crazygemini82]

Yes. I honestly chuckled when Viserys was telling Rhaenyra about the Song of Ice and Fire. Also when I re-watched the GoT series. All the talk about the long night and how Winter will come for all of Westeros yet the White Walkers didn't even make it past Winterfell 🤦‍♀️

[@Simfyre]

This is the show they should be putting all their investment into. Financial, writing, and otherwise. I think it's what we all really want and would lead into so much lore bringing in new fans to the GOT world and series refreshing interest.

[@MartiniBlankontherest]

Really appreciate the reason why Bloodmoon was killed. Seems like half an idea with no grounding. Just making stuff up. That'd be up to the series writers rather than something preestablished. I have my doubts on something like that.

[@bearcubdaycare]

To be honest, that's how many series are...a general idea, and each episode is made up by the writers to fit that general idea. Look at how varied the Star Trek episodes were, little unifying except some costumes, sets and general principles. Or many other series, of whatever genre. The Game of Thrones seasons did seem to go off the rails as soon as they got ahead of the books, but that's asking writers to continue a very complicated storyline (or rather, complicated set of complicated storylines), rather than the relatively blank slate that many series are. (Complicated storylines that took Martin decades to craft, with his fairly unique style, and the writers had probably months to write an entire season.). Apples and oranges, to my mind. I'd be less worried, as long as the seed of the idea was good.

[@Jetghostwolf]

Like the last 3 season of GOT

[@pressrepeat2000]

Why not just have someone write a script? Seems idiotic to start filming anything without a tight script, scene by scene.

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@pressrepeat2000there was a whole 'series bible' for this show as well as for Empire Of Ash... they had some sort of a backbone overall

[@timothey94]

I dont want a live action adaptation of the original long night. I think having it ambiguous in the lore of the world makes it more intriguing. Its left up to the imagination which makes it feel more mystical and you can feel what the characters feel in the story when they talk about the events of ancient history

[@helmerbarco1]

I am so interested in Bloodmoon now

[@jamesperkins191]

I want to see this pilot. In the abscence of anything contrary (rememvering that most of ASoIaF lore is actually canon-rumor rather than hard facts), THIS IS CANON.

[@XxMaddieMalicexX]

Let me just say that Neil Gaimans Stardust was absolutely destroyed on screen. Tarnished. Destroyed completely.

[@One-n-only..BrooklynRed]

I wish that they would at least show us all these concept pilots. Let us decide which we want to see most. They could do it on Sunday Nights! I have said this before... I will say it again... I MISS MY SUNDAY NIGHTS WITH HBO! Give us something until H.O.T.D. comes back. I NEED MY DRAGONS! Throw us something to keep us occupied. T.T., Tell them to stop holding out on us. Maybe they will listen to you. Most Sincerely ~Red

[@MovieXplainerYT]

I'am here after another monstrosity "madame web".

[@liswelsch4259]

Damnit, give us Snow!!! 😤

[@bjornjoseph]

I'd still love to see that filmed pilot of blood Moon.. but sadly it's shelved forever

[@caronstout354]

For what it's worth, the truly awful "Tiptoes" was shelved for years..until it was quietly released on DVD.

[@christenrenay]

Honestly all the prequels are doing for me at this point is just delaying the inevitable... that GRRM isn't EVER going to finish the main story or just doesn't want to. From the sound of what was just shared about Bloodmoon I don't think I'd have cared to see it. Even with House of Dragons, I really like the show but even now don't really care to watch the end because I already know I'm gonna be upset. My fav character gets done dirty in the end LOL. So that's kind of over for me. The only thing if its really going to be a thing that I'd truly feel fully invested in watching would be Jon Snow. Just because I'd feel confident we'd get a complete story that would have an ending that makes sense. People can say what they want about D&D vs GRRM's ending.... until GRRM shows otherwise (aka with a finished book), I feel like D&D's ending is what GRRM wanted to test out. Then seeing how it was received hasn't been able to write anything different. I hope I'm wrong but we may never know.

[@samloudy845]

So essentially, George r.r Martin had a good idea, and Hollywood ruined it.

[@ashleysmith6020]

This is the subject matter I’m desperate to know more on/ would be amazing to learn more about the crypts of winterfell and learn about Bran the Builder and the deal that was made to keep peace with the white walkers and all the lore of the wall

[@ton44048]

Pls, mr.Geoge... finish yah books.😂😂😂

[@PistachioDean]

Love the idea of Naomi Watts as a Lannister though. She really suits the bill aesthetically for me. Like she's how I would have imagined Joanna Lannister.

[@torreslol9171]

this franchise is starting to get like star wars and marvel, it needs to stick to being itself and not lord of the rings

[@oscarhayton6555]

@@drogon2339nah it was bad tbh the only good thing about it was how good

[@derpherp7432]

The first episode of house of the dragon was better than the entire first season of RoP lol.

[@krow5099]

@@drogon2339there wasn’t so much so that they won 10 awards to House of the Dragons 7 at this point folks just tripping just to trip I can wait till season 2 ROP bruh

[@krow5099]

@@oscarhayton6555No it wasn’t your smoking crack House of the Dragon was trash compared to Rings of Power I mean the awards speak for itself y’all just don’t wanna give ROP its props I mean HOTD won 7 awards when Rings of Power collected 10 that tells me all I need to know about how bad HOTD is

[@marksaunders3723]

@@krow5099 Lol Rings of Power won minor awards, HOTD won best drama at the Golden Globes 2023 and the Saturn Award for best sci/fi fantasy show beating ROP both times.

[@tarn1135]

I HATE hollywoods fascination with prequels. I blame George Lucas for that because he started this crap of NEVER MOVING A STORY FORWARD. They’ve become so horrible at moving a story forward that when a sequel is actually made it sucks. Prequels never have that one thing that makes a show great, the tension by the uncertainty of what will happen. You know who wins, you know who dies. Forget the fact that GRRM will never finish the books and frankly I don’t care anymore, the ending has been seen and it’s was crap destroying all the awesome that was built up.

[@tifferzturner]

The only stories I wanna hear first is Jon’s & of course more House of the Dragon . We need to see how Jon’s life is now & we need Dany resurrected .

[@marksaunders3723]

And why would a show about Jon Snow resurrect Daenerys?

[@jamesperkins191]

​@@marksaunders3723 yep she's dead and dead she should say... we shouldn't forgive genocide

[@chepan83]

While I desperately want him to just finish the main story timeline, I would love to see the fall of Valyria both the events leading up to and after.

[@itzfifson6140]

Blood Moon sounds WAY cooler than HOTD

[@Edmures_rampant_manhood]

Agreed. I'm pretty tired of dragons and dragon riders at this point.

[@marksaunders3723]

LOL No.

[@matiasdevaglia4541]

It sounds much more intetesting. HOTD is a good show, but it feels small in scale and stakes when compared with GOT. It's just Targaryens fighting each other in a reduced part of the world.

[@marksaunders3723]

@@matiasdevaglia4541 Except for the fact that 90% of Bloodmoon was made up by the writers with no input from GRRM Lol That's why it was a disaster.

[@matiasdevaglia4541]

@@marksaunders3723 no one said it was a disaster and we haven't watched it. The pilot might have been flawed, but so was the first pilot for GOT. They could have corrected the things that didn't work, hire writers really interested in expanding G R R Martin's lore with his oversight. I think they abandoned the show for a simple reason: there were no dragons and that's what most people wanted from a GOT spinoff.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

A shame Bloodmoon never got made. But, I'm glad House of the Dragon did.

[@sarrjel]

Canceling a shower showing the Children of the Forest as Africans and acting like barbarians and then change them to the Children of the Forest as their current form in the Game of Thrones series shows insecure thinking on part of HBO. If you have the rights to do a show set a thousand years ahead of the tv series or a thousand years in the past without any source material and then decide to not do it shows laziness on part of the studio to not hire good writers who are willing to sit down and draw up some good ideas to put on paper. You have to take risk in order to break new ground otherwise you might as well just hide under your bed.

[@AdoreYouInAshXI]

"We can't create an entire new lore behind the Children of the Forest and actually be creative in order to incorporate diversity, let's just lazily black wash an already established house with no explanation and rely on the ignorance of fans to eat it" Sounds about like typical modern film production.

[@yugrise1286]

leta be honest... targaryens are more interesting than starks. now dunk n egg is upcoming. more targaryen princelings.

[@jamesperkins191]

Yeah but they're evil bastards.

[@sergeabt1046]

Martin is just banking on the success of his unfinished books and he doesn't care to finish them. he's just living out his life

[@johntucker3151]

i would just like to see it one time

[@tammyyaniro5455]

The pictures make me want to see the episode more, even if it is the only episode. I want to consume everything Game of Thrones related!

[@DukeJimbob]

Robert’s rebellion and Aegons conquest and Jon Snow don’t care about the rest

[@bjornjoseph]

Roberts would be a nice prequel and snow let's us know what happened after

[@DukeJimbob]

@@bjornjoseph sounds good to me

[@shoazdon7000]

I don’t think you can get more than 2 seasons out of Roberts rebellion until it would start to feel like they are purposefully dragging it

[@DukeJimbob]

@@shoazdon7000 that would be plenty, I kinda like the shorter stories anyways

[@shoazdon7000]

@@DukeJimbob I mean you make a good point, the people vs OJ was an amazing show and it was only one season. Seeing young Robert fight Rhaegar would be cool though