Game Scoop! 663: Another Amazing PlayStation Exclusive

[@ArkaneRogue]

The fact they all love the game having not finished Zero Dawn is a testament to this game! But also the injustice of none of them finishing the original! Critiquing Aloy without understanding how integral her existence is to the story made me guffaw 😅

[@samuelclaiborn6365]

I finished Horizon

[@JPD2587]

Finishing games is overrated

[@ArkaneRogue]

My apologies. When Justin said he hadn't realised neither of you had finished it and then Daemon mentioning Aloy taking it all on herself was odd it seemed like no one understood the reason she 'has' to be the one doing this quest for humanity. I'll go back to enjoying the game now 👍

[@1AJBOOMER]

Amazing game 👌🏽

[@IsaacCle]

I know. So wrong.

[@danielrogers1985]

The thing with Aloy is she was an outcast for most of her life and treated really badly by the Nora tribe so I personally find her anti-social behavior to be realistic and believable. It's why i really like her she tries her best to help even though society was really horrible to her but her social behavior still reflects her past.

[@SkeeLoGreene]

Yea I disagreed with them on the Aloy point. I haven't left Daunt yet, but I already like her as a character. And you're right, her growing up as an outcast definitely has something to do with it

[@calimanduff]

She also has wild knowledge about the reality of the world and it’s history no one else does which just makes her more of an outcast. I think she can come off as rude but I think that’s fine for a character. We’ve gotten so accustomed to witty charismatic video game characters it’s an adjustment to be spending so much time with someone so awkward

[@danielrogers1985]

@@calimanduff yes this, her being different from the traditional stereotype is really refreshing.

[@SkeeLoGreene]

And she also can be funny at times. Her annoyance with a certain character who kept trying to read a scroll had me chuckle a few times

[@IsaacCle]

Yeah. Her behavior makes so much sense. I love games coop, but they are dead wrong about this one.

[@nickmajora]

My favourite part of game scoop (besides 20 questions) is when a big new game comes out that they're all loving and playing and they get to discuss it.

[@illogik]

Right. I’m happy for lost ark as well.

[@Khaostheory1980]

Hold down on the dpad to open up the tools menu and you can deselect or select as desired to set the tools you need. You don't have to have then all equipped.

[@JungleOfMeat]

Sam: Tina is a weapons expert Literally 10 seconds later Tina: what's that weapon called the spin thrower? Sam: spike thrower

[@cathalorourke1]

Gonna be a big year for Sony, Horizon out now, Gt7, Ghostwire Tokyo and Forspoken soon and later in the year GOW Ragnorok, FF16, happy days

[@TheProphegy]

It has me curious what they’ll do in 2023 when GOW Ragnarok, Horizon 2, and GT7 dropped the year prior(2022). I’m guessing the next Spider-Man right? Or whatever the developers at Sucker Punch could be up to.

[@cathalorourke1]

@@TheProphegy Yeah, Insomniac are pretty good with banging things out quick, Spiderman 2 should be on track. Naughty Dog must be doing something big too, no word from them in a while, I know they're doing that multiplayer Last of Us thing, but there's gotta be more. Then you have Sony Bend, supposedly Days Gone 2 is a no go, so surely we'll get a look at what they're up 2

[@SSJ2Phenom]

@@TheProphegy Don't forget the Wolverine game and Pragmata

[@boochtron]

yawnnnn. not impressed

[@SSJ2Phenom]

@@boochtron Why would you be? Sony only consistently churns out the best single player exclusives one right after another. No need to be impressed when you're a hater and don't have a PS5. I get it.

[@rockstarTraveler]

Best intro music yet. I didnt think anyone remembered Toejam and Earl. One of my all time favorites. I would play for HOURS with my brother. Good memories

[@rickybobbyroode9814]

They released a new TnJ game a few years back for Switch.

[@killerdude35]

I still wish Cyberpunk had a 3rd person view.

[@ParadoxalDream]

50:55 Good call, the Road Rash series was the only reason I was slightly jealous of my friend's Genesis. I was a SNES kid lol

[@McdonaldeS1986]

Hell yeah

[@lemoiro]

LOVED the Toejam & Earl intro❤. Took me back with a big old smile on my face, thx🙏

[@mickael486]

Horizon Zero Dawn's official Lore would make an amazing post-apocalyptic science fiction novel or limited series on Netflix or HBO Max. Zoe, from eurogamer has 2 videos on Zero Dawn's story that is more interesting than most backstory's. ❤

[@vishalbharadwaj570]

Absolutely. The story and lore of this game is off the charts and people don’t seem to appreciate more or focus on which is sad because it’s one of the best parts of this game for me.

[@IsaacCle]

Yeah. If there is a game that can have a decent TV show adaptation it's Horizon

[@karateffekt1106]

Toe jam and earl, love it! Your 8bit intros are great! I think last week was Louie Louie

[@qwinn4911]

Love the music choices. Toejam and Earl was the jam back in the day.

[@bradcuster]

I see another scoop is on the horizon. 😉 It’s my favorite time of the week. It’s great to see all your smiling faces and I look forward to starting my weekend spending an hour listening to you talk about what a week it’s been for gamers. As always nicely job!!

[@mickael486]

Personally I would much rather have game developers give me paths to climb then to have access to Every single obstacle... only to explore and find nothing but wasted time.

[@vishalbharadwaj570]

Exactly often times people tend to forget that it’s okay to make as many areas you can but reward for it just another chest or item will make it simply boring. Even in BOTW Most of the times going to these places, rewards will be shrine or korok seeds. Which frankly speaking is very little reward variety.

[@vishalbharadwaj570]

People need to stop comparing every open world game to BOTW. You can’t blame arthur in RDR2 for not climbing as many surfaces as you can or walk fastly as you can. You have to compare the open world games for how unique it’s world is and how world building/lore is. Instead of focusing criticisms by comparing to botw which is stupid because they’re radically different games. Appreciate it for the things it do.

[@ryanrose4519]

That intro song was definitely from Toe Jam and Earl right!? Lol

[@EmrlsCommunity]

The Final Fight home port that has co-op is the Sega CD version. Both Final Fight ports on SNES are single player. Final Fight Guy just swaps Cody for Guy

[@jeremytraynor3852]

They mention a lot that ppl didn’t finish this game cuz of BoTW but I know way more ppl that finished this game than BoTW

[@danielbenton4977]

Is that the Toe jam and Earl music in between segments?

[@ianliegeois]

Nicely job, everyone.

[@DeskieFam]

The Wiley Wars did come out in America, but ONLY on the SEGA Chanel, which was well before its time. It was so cool.

[@IsaacCle]

I grew up in Spain which had zero interest in hockey, but I still played dozens and dozens of hours of NHL 94. It was sooo good.

[@stevengibson3853]

Greg mentioned on kindafunny that you can change the D-pad quick menu items in horizon.i think he said hold square or something and it allows you to customize

[@SirCrofty]

With all the music played between segments, I can't believe no-one mentioned Toejam & Earl for the recommended Genesis section!

[@rpjordan]

27:28 to skip Horizon Talk - for those of us who don't want to hear anything about the game prior to us reaching those points while playing naturally

[@SnakeEyes111]

Very much thanks, happy friday

[@goodspeed9914]

S/O to Sam for the Comix Zone mention. I never hear people bring that game up a lot and it is my fav Sega game.

[@funkopopsandson8653]

To hear Sam talk about Genesis Toy Story is the best. One of my favorite games ever.

[@gmalanga]

Loving the Toe Jam and Earl soundtrack on this episode! ❤

[@bungheaver]

Tina just so you know you can definitely UNequip your positions and traps and also rearrange them in the order you want

[@BHCha-]

Horizen Forbidden West and Sifu are great. Playstation giving us some awesome games.

[@rickybobbyroode9814]

I love Sifu. It’s so good. I’ve beat it three times and I’m still playing.

[@PeterDB90]

The worst thing about the collection is that Sonic 3 (or Sonic 3 & Knuckles) aren't in there, and that is hands down the #1 game you would play if you needed to be introduced to Sega Genesis. I don't know if this one was exclusive to Genesis or not, but Donald Duck in Maui Mallard was also a great game that I've beat multiple times...

[@TheProphegy]

My ONLY complaint about this game is I wish they would’ve done the intro to this game better, like the first two hours. The game don’t truly start until you go down the huge lift after you leave Varl. Such an amazing game.

[@Monolith64]

Why does Tina consider 67 hours an embarrassingly long time?? That’s usually the length of RPGs and I know some people with THOUSANDS of hours in multiplayer games

[@joey_here]

Guerrilla can only release Horizon games the week before genre defining GOTY’s. Enjoying it so far but I assume I’m going to be losing interest quickly come Friday…

[@ParadoxalDream]

48:45 You're wrong Sam, Toy Story also came out on the SNES and even the NES and Game Boy. I can't attest about how it looks on these systems though because personally, I played it on PC back in the Windows 95 days. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story_(video_game)

[@remakeyourself]

Nice TJ&E groove you got there.

[@Evenmoresteven]

I'm glad Daemon pointed out that Aloy isn't a great protagonist. I loved the first game, and I'm excited to play the second, but she is by far the worst part of these games. She never stops talking to herself, she's overly serious, and she's just a wet blanket.

[@SkeeLoGreene]

Gotta disagree with you there. I don't think she's one of the greatest protagonists out there, but she's not bad. Ashley Burch does a good job IMO

[@DougyFreshGames]

@@SkeeLoGreene and its funny too because Zero Dawn explains that Aloy's backstory is the reason why she is a wet blanket lol.

[@Evenmoresteven]

@@DougyFreshGames I understand why she is the way she is, and the backstory is cool and interesting, but after listening to her for 60+ hours, her voice is grating. They should’ve cut down on her talking to herself ALL THE TIME.

[@combo9114]

Would have loved to hear more about Lost Ark. Justin, get everyone else to try it!

[@hardIIfind]

What song was that before 20 questions?

[@MichaelMeans1974]

We're 22 minutes in and Justin finally speaks lol

[@gariantroll2975]

Genesis: El Viento, Burning Force, Space Harrier and a game that I loved called Zoom which most people might hate.

[@DJMizzy]

That intro song is BANGIN !

[@juanvargas201]

What is that song at the end of the podcast?

[@pellejons7804]

are they ever getting back in the studio?

[@DougyFreshGames]

but the Shieldwing is the Paraglider from BOTW lol i kid i kid. Loving the game so far and looks really good on base PS4.

[@somberson]

It still bothers me how they keep referring to the robots as dinosaurs even tho very few of them actually look like dinosaurs.

[@MikeChristou]

Get Michael Swaim for next week. We're overdue for a Swaim Scoop

[@johnsvideo3403]

Great show folks. Lots of good info and discussion. Appreciate all the work. Txs.

[@PeterDB90]

I second the going back and appreciating the history of where the game came from if it's your first time with the franchise. I LOVED Ocarina of Time and thought people were crazy for suggesting A Link to the Past - I kept thinking "they do know that it's a top down view and not 3D, right? How could it even come close to matching Ocarina of Time?" but now that I gave it a shot, I get it... But if I STARTED with A Link to the Past, then I probably wouldn't be into the franchise so much.

[@RobbyGoodwin]

Sam looks like a cop from the 80s!

[@danbond9492]

Was that toe jam and earl???

[@IGNGames]

Good ear!

[@danbond9492]

Just memories of throwing tomatoes

[@nvc.]

Ill be playing Horizon fw on my ps4pro and im going to the theater to see uncharted. Its gonna be a great weekend =D

[@rickybobbyroode9814]

Good luck video game movies usually suck and Tom Holland movies suck as well so I don’t have much hope of it being good.

[@nvc.]

@@rickybobbyroode9814 The movie is ok for uncharted fans but its a great action fun movie for everyone else. Im an uncharted fan and i had fun wile not being amazed... Looking foward for the next the continuation. Horizon fw is absolutely amazing. Its incredible.

[@galacticmaui2]

I’d try Cyberpunk again but I can’t stand the first person perspective

[@EasternShore85]

What is the intro song from?

[@amber88565]

I am happily and thoroughly addicted to Horizon it’s amazing

[@Black_Geologist]

I think New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe is a great choice for a first Mario game - it's on Switch, it's got difficulty scaling with Nabbit, and Toadette and a harder game hidden inside of it with New Luigi U. It's also got simultaneous co-op. Mario World's also incredible.

[@PeterDB90]

I'm playing Mario Galaxy on Switch right now and I find the motion controls annoying. They even seem a bit unnecessary - everything I am forced to do with motion controls I could do without them, but the game literally will not let you press "play" unless you use a motion controller to put the hand cursor over the button and hit "play". Easily my least favorite thing about that game.

[@thatseasyforyoutosay]

That's literally every Wii game

[@PeterDB90]

@@thatseasyforyoutosay The port to switch could have had a “no motion controls” option, but didn’t - that’s my gripe.

[@thatseasyforyoutosay]

@@PeterDB90 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@EmrlsCommunity]

Please. Everyone. Contra Hard Corps. Easy Genesis title overlooked. Best in the series.

[@Canady182]

Genesis also has incredible X-Men games.

[@Cooper-Banzai]

Final Fight is the only arcade I ever beat. Spectacular!

[@travistorline812]

Another great episode of Scoop! Such a joy to start my weekend off with this podcast! I’d definitely recommend Super Mario Odyssey as the best game for any players new to Mario. My personal favorite is Super Mario Galaxy, but my nostalgia for the game (it was my first 3D Mario) makes me a bit biased. Maybe a bit of a hot take, but I don’t personally believe Super Mario World has the same magic of either of those two games. Also, that’s Daemon’s music at the end of this episode, right? I love it! There have been a few songs like it in past weeks and it makes me happy any time they come on :D

[@boochtron]

Super Mario Odyssey is too easy

[@LeatherneckJedi]

Holy shit, Matt Bade! I live in Tumwater too!!

[@symbolic503]

2021 made me happy i have an xbox. 2022 makes me wish i had a playstation.

[@Hazmatt36000]

Sack webbing will forever be used daily by me now. 😂

[@effincasuals8877]

When me and my friends realized u could push a button and have Wolverine claws pop out m!😱😍

[@1AJBOOMER]

AMAZING GAME 👌🏽👍🏼 Great job guys.

[@aliali-ce3yf]

we'll see, i've heard a lot of great stuff about Horizon Zero Dawn.......but a lot of people seemingly never beat it either , maybe they lost interest or something else

[@RanmaSaotome1_2]

I'll say this: Horizon Zero Dawn (and Forbidden West as well) has some of the most beautiful graphics I've ever seen in a game and the setting is one of the most unique, but like Sam said the gameplay itself feels very Ubisoft open world-ish. Some people are completely into that game style from beginning to end but for me I just get burnt out halfway.

[@nchicky]

I’d say I liked the first one, but dragged myself to finish line. Just mainline it and you’re good. The gameplay is very compelling. Most open world games to date seem to have the same problem. They lose the heat in the sprawling options for exploring a world, BoTW , Skyrim, and surely Elden Ring aside.

[@twmh5767]

Sega Genesis: Batman returns, ghostbusters, for a laugh Michael Jackson moonwalker, and just to try echo the dolphin. Just to mention a few regularly unmentioned ones.

[@CVSooner777]

67 hours in isn’t that much for an open world game…

[@talentroller4413]

doing everyhting in this takes more than 85 hours

[@apimb1396]

Infernax..... goty for Damon

[@McdonaldeS1986]

Held off buying horizon because it takes over 30 hours to do the campaign and with elden Ring next week I didnt wanna rush so picked up Cyberpunk Instead and its defo an improvement

[@TheJzako]

Sam forgot echo the dolphin for genesis

[@chriswy697]

Here's a video from the original dev about how the Toy Story 3D First Person levels were done. John is an amazing developer for what he could do on 90s systems. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5mwfn5phrGria8

[@schwing9028]

Sorry Sam, Toy Story was absolutely on the SNES with a better color palette. I like the conviction though.

[@firez7131]

Gotta finish the frozen wilds dlc before I jump into forbidden west also playing ac oddesy on xbox so cant play to many enormous RPGs at the same time

[@alenmilic1296]

First mario to play, if 3d ,then as charming and Galaxy is, its gotta be Mario 64!

[@nchicky]

Sam was not fan, but I played Valhalla, terrible combat. Disagree that this is on the same level. Forbidden West feels more refined, tactile, sharp. And the world feels alive to me and the central thread can easily be followed without spinning out on side quests perpetually if that’s what you want.

[@samuelclaiborn6365]

That’s not how it works for me, I don’t really care about publishers, but Uncharted is one of my fav series ever, and 3 & 4 are my favs of it, and I’m generally impressed by Naughty Dog.

[@R17759]

Didn’t he literally say its a better version of any Assassin’s Creed game? Not everyone is “anti my favorite corporation” just because they don’t love every single thing about every game they make.

[@nchicky]

@@R17759 I’m cool with him not liking it, but didn’t seem a fair shake to point of kind of being blind to the games clear quality. And the tone of it didn’t feel like “better AC game” but more like “AC game” but could be wrong. Also, PlayStation is an entertainment company that is a creative entity. Corporations help make good things, sometimes. For which they have adherents.

[@nchicky]

@@samuelclaiborn6365 fair enough! Didn’t agree with the AC parallel. God speed, sir

[@chriswy697]

Toy story is indeed also on the SNES. Impressive visuals for sure.

[@captgeech]

Hey!!!! Thats my 20 questions suggestion! Score.

[@kl342000]

Spoilers: Justin is offended by a female character with a shred of sexuality. Not every female character has to be written like life is strange. I think there's plenty of room for socially concious new wave female characters in sweatshirts and bad ass Amazonian characters who don't associate showing a little skin with being oppressed by the patriarchy. PS Justin is the best. No shade meant.

[@jacobpro_]

That is a fair point, honestly.

[@elpiquetegames787]

Great show 🙏🙌

[@abcvideoyoutuization]

What do you mean by "Game bar is sponge"

[@inigomontoya619]

Thanks fam

[@remymartin15]

I enjoyed the game, I didn’t like the climbing, story was interesting, hate the metroidvania aspect. Some vary weird things they chose not to do.

[@tilttech-pinballtechhow-to2723]

STICKS TO SNAKES!!!

[@O-o-Azazel-o-O]

I know Dustin is the ign editor but why is he in this? He hasn't played the game and looks like he'd rather be gnawing his own feet off than be here. Shouldn't he be busy telling people on Twitter not to buy a ps5 and pay for gamepass instead?

[@chknrsandTBBTROX73]

Cyberpunk 2077 sucked me in this week, I put 20 hours into it in 2 days. Probably even more than Horizon Forbidden West, as I’m still in that prolonged intro sequence/tutorial. However, I am excited to dig into it and I feel like I’m cheating on Aloy when I’m playing Cyberpunk!

[@IsaacCle]

Lol. Love you guys and gals, but i can't believe how wrong you are about HZD and Forbidden West. The story is so good in both and you just dismiss it. SMH

[@aaronjones6798]

Curious the Scoop crew are suggesting that people watch the Uncharted movie, that seems to go against common opinion on the film.

[@JustAFriendlyBearlol]

D’s playtime is odd. 30 hours and 24 percent complete? All the guides say you can Plat it the game in 30 hours…

[@LJlax20]

They do not say you can plat in 30, you can beat the story with some side questing in 30. I play 5 hours last night and just got out of the tutorial area and stated a few things in the open world. There's no way you can plat in 30

[@vishalbharadwaj570]

I played 10 hours and didn’t even reach or near to reaching forbidden west. This game’s side quests are that good.

[@R17759]

I dont trust any trophy/achievement guide play time estimates. They are usually not that accurate in my experience.

[@talentroller4413]

30 hours is just the story only. everything takes over 80 hours

[@PredatorCharlie]

I can't believe your complaint in Horizon Forbidden West of Aloy's talking. What the Hell is that problem? You prefer a stupid avatar that is NOT A CHARACTER IN SILENCE = LINK??? These days, Link a silent protagonist is extremely stupid! So that makes Aloy 10 times better then a non character in Zelda!!!

[@JamesGowan]

I’ve watched a couple hours of the game. Aloy seems mostly a One-Note character

[@cjl591]

🤦‍♂️

[@MukiMuki688]

I over looked Zero Dawn but reviews on Forbidden West has me intrigued...... Ryu Saves Ken's Soul - Guitar MV - Street Fighter II: The Anime kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpTSmmWPpdickMk King of Fighters 15 Nameless theme Guitar kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2qam4anra6aZtk Gundam Hathaway Main Theme Guitar MV (Senkou) kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZCUaYabecSmj6s

[@zainbashir3315]

Time stamps would be nice ign. Thank you. Funny how small youtubers can do this and all you professional editors cant

[@jermelpurse3018]

I don’t know how to feel about Horizon now. I mean the original will always be compared to breath of the wild and when you compare the original to breath of the wild you see the big picture the vast differences. You see true free open world versus pseudo open world a limited open world. Once you look at the original from that perspective and start picking out the limitations that’s where things get bad or I shouldn’t say bad because they weren’t bad in the original that’s just where the flaws show up. Big open world no real population to interact with that’s in the first game. The story was OK in the first game it wasn’t over the age blockbuster great but it was OK nothing to complain about. In the sequel The developer builds on these ideas that they first started with the problem is we know from looking at a different game but these ideas aren’t the best they aren’t bad but they are not the best. You see more populated areas in more populated communities to deal with that something we definitely needed in the first game you see a bigger brighter open world where you can do more but that criticism of limited or a pseudo-open world you still ask yourself who is this really open like in breath of the wild and the answer you come to is no it’s not that oven it’s open but still you understand what I mean. When we saw the original game we knew it was great we knew it was amazing but we knew it was flawed and we have to ask ourselves have the floss when compared to a masterpiece been fixed the answer is no so that’s why the game still gets a 9. In fact to be honest about it it was nothing they could’ve done to fix it you couldn’t fix that climbing mechanic that open world mechanic in the game because the very foundation of the game was built upon a climbing mechanic where you get ledges like we are used to seeing in most Sony names where everything is choreographed to some degree. So it’s not true open it’s sort of kind of open and that just means we have to compare to what we’ve seen in the past in the past we’ve seen better open worlds. Combat is improved upon it’s better than the combat they could get though in the first game but again it’s not breathtaking it’s not revolutionary it is amazing leading to a 9. Can’t say anything about the story no spoilers given out and I’m not looking for any but good game great game amazing game actually can’t be anything more though

[@ValentinaMoretti]

I would say a 7.5

[@Tommydiistar]

@@ValentinaMoretti and you would be either a fanboy of a peculiar system just mad. The game does so much right yet ppl can’t see that no way it’s perfect but what game is even breath of the wild have flaws and don’t get me start on the same rinse and repeat halo formula but yet p praised it and give a 10 sad when fanboys are so biased

[@vishalbharadwaj570]

Funny enough then RDR2 is also a lackluster game just because “you can’t climb as many surfaces as you can”. People need to stop this bullshit about comparing every other open world game to botw. Even botw is not perfect there are some of key flaws to that game’s open world which lot of people tend to not care.

[@R17759]

@@Tommydiistar Ironically enough, you are also a fanboy.

[@Tommydiistar]

@@R17759 lol maybe you need to look up what the word fanboy means because I don’t think you know or understand, fan comes from the word fanatic mean what ever you’re a fanatic of can’t be wrong you worship it no one can disagree with you or the master you serve I disagree with Sony a lot when they do bull I called them out on it, can you say the same. Now who the fanatic here? Take a good guess 😂

[@scottkoppinger2595]

Super Mario Brothers 3 > World

[@KINGhotaru11]

Halo for me isn't a great open world game. This a guy doesn't kno open world games 😆

[@LloydNance]

Tina Scoop!

[@AndresLionheart]

31:58 The time of release of the game is such a stupid concept of to why a game can have characters in sexy outfits or not. 30 years ago the film industry was far away from sexualized characters because they were prudes or something, nowadays it's fair game, each director and viewer has their own preferences. The same should go for games. Some prefer sexy characters, like the ones in Lost Ark; others prefer realistic characters, like Aloy. Oh, and you are playing one of the few classes that isn't gender locked, could have made a guy, too.