GPU PCB Analysis: Founders Edition RTX 3080 Build Quality & VRM Capabilities

[@GamersNexus]

Watch our 3080 Founders Edition cooler study, looking at CPU & RAM impact from the cooling: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIjGq6pubtiAm5I RTX 3090 FE tear-down: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3u6ooWgptaBodE RTX 3090 review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpjWXomYptiogdE Find Buildzoid on Actually Hardcore Overclocking: kzbin.info/door/rwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ

[@Dtr146]

A cooler study of a card we can't get in the 2018 TI prices are literally brand new for a pre-owned card

[@khomichuk]

Is this type of analysis going to be done for evga and other companies?

[@kieranb7747]

this channel is too good

[@1BrknHrtdRomeo]

"It is worth noting that full custom pcbs from various board partners that are going to be significantly better than this..." Nah man lol...it's really not worth noting =( Still hoping whatever the issue is with these 30xx cards, it's not cheap capacitors?

[@iamdmc]

Question: Which 3080 would you buy and why? Thanks!

[@Lishtenbird]

"They've cut every single corner that they could, but not with Founders Edition." Mm yes, indeed, this one has five corners.

[@Skeens55]

Mm yes 5

[@Aereto]

So... Pyramid?

[@haukionkannel]

Randomnet anon We know your home address... and you revealed us... you know the punishment! ;)

[@odinsplaygrounds]

5 corners is better than 4! Do the math! -Atari

[@headcrabbed7796]

WOOOOSH

[@ricoreyes6044]

It's insane that we're able to run industrial arc welder levels of current through a little sheet of silicon to make it do math, just so it can render hundreds of millions of pixels per second for our entertainment.

[@JohnDoe-do8fh]

Still convinced that someone slept with an alien at some point in human history.

[@kouji71]

This trend towards not releasing datasheets to the public is really annoying. I'd rather look through datasheets than talk to sales people.

[@PrimiusLovin]

The recipe for that good secret sauce is the secret for the recipe of that sauce.

[@RatbagTheCoward]

vesuvius OP obviously meant some, not all. Also, advocating information asymmetry isn’t cool, friend.

[@Lishtenbird]

How would sales people justify their existence if all information was publicly available?

[@RedStripeMedia]

Lishtenbird the same reason people market to you for almost anything. You can read through 100 pages of manuals and datasheets but we can give you a 10 min briefing

[@RatbagTheCoward]

vesuvius Who cares? The bigger problem is you encourage ignorance. Why shouldn’t some data sheets be available?

[@BuzzKiller23]

1:15 Dammit. Now what am I going to do with all this extra GDDR6X I have laying around?

[@ikarus1111a]

Buildzoid in Rap God mode trying to fit all the information in a 30 min video

[@danrobsilva]

Obligatory to watch at double speed for the full effect.

[@anthonymarquez2542]

@@han5vk I don't, am I pleb? lol jk idk if I could keep up at 2x tho

[@Rance53]

Lol hell steve usually in rap god mode too. Totally get it though

[@guiorgy]

@@anthonymarquez2542 Yeah, I can just about deal with x1.5, but often I go with x1.25

[@BonusCrook]

Gn demands shorted version

[@jonhughes4079]

This video is beyond my scope of understanding, but, I'm so glad we as a community have GN and Buildzoid to do this level of in depth analysis.

[@andersjjensen]

If you look up the basic words like "resistor, thermistor, capacitor, mosfet" etc (wikipedia) and just read the first two or three paragraphs you'll be able to follow along pretty quickly. I had discrete electronics as an extra curriculum activity some 30 years ago so I had a vague idea what those were, but listening to Buildzoid for a few hours have really brought me back up to speed.

[@Rafael36o]

Damn man, I being an electrical engineer am impressed by the knowledge you have. You have motivated me to study and know more about all these chips. Thanks

[@campkira]

i look at it... if you broken it.. just get new card..

[@minus3dbintheteens60]

lazy nonintellectual..

[@IrrelevantPlease]

wtf are these responses lmao

[@somethingbrite8484]

He's extremely fluent in his delivery and clear with his descriptions. He clearly really knows what he's talking about. I always enjoy his videos and often check to see if he has reviewed a certain product when upgrading. He's steered my GPU and motherboard purchases in the past and so far has not steered me wrong.

[@minus3dbintheteens60]

I mean, not trying to fix something thats broken is lazy, and shows limited intellect and willingness to learn. peace

[@elvara872]

Actually never watched a video like that before it was way more informative and easy to understand that I thought it would be. Very nice job.

[@mateojimenez5905]

This guy explains everything very well and in a way that is easy to understand

[@mateojimenez5905]

Nathan Peterson well I’m a high school student. And although I don’t know what every single module is or what it does I think he explained very well why everything is positioned where it is etc.

[@mateojimenez5905]

Nathan Peterson well hello there. I’m a junior

[@robwhitmore3040]

It's easy to understand? Maybe I'm a moron

[@PizzaPowerXYZ]

Woah. the side timer is on the bottom and upside down!

[@kieranb7747]

?? huh

[@Taijifufu]

@@kieranb7747 the thing with the blue bars and time stamps. It's lookin good imo.

[@ddpwe5269]

Yeah, all(at least the ones I've watched) buildzoid's videos go backwards compared to GN's main videos

[@Doobie3010]

Pizza PowerXYZ 100% intentional,I’m sure!

[@PizzaPowerXYZ]

@@Doobie3010 ye

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

How many times did you hit Buildzoid with sticks to get him down to the 30 minute mark?

[@andersjjensen]

Mr Buildzoid exercised self restraint and only redid the video 14 times before he was "within spec" :P

[@aibohphobiafrfr]

Watching a BZ pcb analysis with jump cuts is like dipping lemon slices into salt thinking it's sugar

[@bmarkx2595]

they attached more capacitor to buildzoid to make him "within specs"

[@markearl7172]

Its because Steve is jealous cause zoid actually knows what he's talking about and makes Steve feel inferior

[@NZOCD]

can’t wait for a Strix 3080 analysis

[@bacail]

Would love to see the Strix breakdown!

[@d.oconnor4047]

That's the one I'm waiting for! 😁👍

[@markiangooley]

When anyone mentions Strix I keep hoping for an actual owl (it’s also the name of a genus of owls, named for a type of mythological monster, with no ear tufts). But I’m odd.

[@joeok522]

@@markiangooley the packaging of the 980 strix had an owl in it if I remember correctly :o

[@swampsect]

Heard that the strix has 6 good quality capacitors, think I'm going for that by default for that reason, even if it's overkill, but I also care very much for the noise levels, my old 970 strix was quite loud when the fan actually started spinning..

[@ebbssa]

"They've cut every single corner that they could." So glad i couldnt find a partner card for sale when they launched

[@Paul_Sleeping]

Yep. Glad everything was sold out in seconds. Now I'll be really patient and wait for a new revision or version. Probably called the "Super" again. Got my eyes on the FTW3. In the vein of Intel's venerable "tick-tock" cycles, it was always better to wait for the "tock" releases.

[@tylerdurden3722]

"Cut corners", is the norm for any cheaper card. If a card seems cheap, know that corners were cut. For pricier ones, it's a box of chocolates.😅 Because there are times when they'll cheap out, but have the audacity to still price that card high.

[@hiro9253]

the problem is aib didnt test their card thoroughly. they cut corner but didnt test enough to confirm that the corner they cut didnt cause issue and instability, what confuses me tho. did none of the testers in msi/gigabyte/etc experienced this issue?

[@AbominationalFailure]

@@hiro9253 i think part of the problem with that, is that Nvidia was slow getting them the reference design. So they didn't have as much time to find and address issues as they normally would have. Still, they should have delayed the release if that were the case. I have a feeling though that this is why some of the higher end cards have been delayed (The Aorus master and elite for example) they're making sure that those cards are stable and overclock decently. (at least that's my hope)

[@jolness1]

I am glad the FE has a decent board, I really like the look and cooler design and finally don't feel like I have to choose between a functional cooler design or an aesthetic I like. I know it isn't gonna be anywhere near things like the Strix or KP cards but I am not a hardcore OC'er, in fact, my FE gtx1080tis are stock speed with lower voltage to cut down on noise from the blowers.

[@jolness1]

@@Gandalf721 I know they aren't great in general but for a small rig that sees lots of GPU compute though for hours on end they aren't a bad choice. I also just love the FE card aesthetics over the "OMG RGB 1337 GAMR" look so I would have likely still gotten them even for just gaming. I will likely UV the 3080, usually can drop cards 100-350mv which can make the cards even quieter although it seems to be a non issue with the FE. As a general rule though, I don't ever reccomend blowers to my less educated friends.

[@campkira]

they don't had to be black board since you can not see it anyhow..

[@campkira]

@@jolness1 normally FE is a good blower.. good for stack...or with limited space.. but other partner brand do made better cooling good for dust build up...

[@trizkial7592]

He said that the FE is better than most if not all other 3080s so the FE is likely better than the strix and KP.

[@jolness1]

@@campkira the 3080FE is a very novel cooler design that is very thermally efficient. And smaller than the AIB partner cards. Traditionally you are correct, my 1080Ti FE cards were blowers but for sli it worked well.

[@PlayGrum]

feel 1000% smarter just watching this analysis !

[@paulfairchild8942]

Me too, not that I understood any of it though... :-)

[@jcgongavoe337]

at least learned it is a cheap out to just put all power delievery and controllers on one side of the card for high end gpus, result votage fades🤔

[@pyronical]

Really? I feel 1000% dumber.

[@PlayGrum]

i also learned that i feel so lucky to have got a FE card after buying the eagle oc one by clicking the notify me email 2 hours after launch just to see if it would work and boom Q me rapidly trying to refund the eagle card lol

[@temptemp633]

Need a "they're not poscaps" t-shirt

[@ryanmalin]

nah. I wouldnt buy it. Im saving all my sheckles for the new 3090 sir

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

This is a very underrated, possibly hated comment.

[@darylcheshire1618]

A gimmick like ElectroBOOM’s “Full Bridge Rectifier!”

[@_larkin_321]

They are. Piece Of Sh.. Caps :D

[@Knights_of_the_Nine]

When does he talk about that? I can't find any instance.

[@paulfairchild8942]

Buildzoid/GM, a 'Conclusion' section at the end would be super helpful in these analysis videos.

[@samfedorka5629]

The output filtering capacitors at 23:16 are Illinois Capacitor (CDE) XMPL series Aluminum Polymer. Took me a while to find it, but looking at the datasheet, the case marking is exactly the same. www.cde.com/resources/catalogs/XMPL-series.pdf The 220's are 15 milliohms and the 470's are 4.5-9 depending on which one they are

[@jimbob172]

Thank you for that. I’m replacing a cap on an a1000 gpu that look exactly like these. Was pretty sure i needed an aluminum polymer vs a tantalum polymer, but wasn’t sure. Your reply helped a lot!

[@rartolak]

"Cant just put memory chips on" Like the og xbox days

[@campkira]

that where 20gb one coming... the chip are just plastic blank space... it either do it at production or not at all..

[@rartolak]

@@campkira Not sure what you're getting at, but sounds like blank cartridges like on the bottom of a ds. I just know some people would solder on another ram chip to the mobo if their revision had the blank pads.

[@chandan-shinde]

Hello GN...!! I'm new to this channel (found you because of RTX 30 series reviews)...and i'm really liking your content where you talk about inside working of PCB... I would like to see a series where you talk about basics of all this electrical components....not for this gpu but in general...it would be a great knowledge source!

[@rosen9425]

Good suggestion. BigClive will even provide surprise fires on occasion

[@biscuit715]

If you want more of this exact stuff then check out actually hardcore overclocking for more buildzoid talking about pcbs

[@Ligby]

Excited to learn about the current PCB issues

[@anonymouscommentator]

He made a video about it

[@skoopsro7656]

Buildzoid... the man the myth the legend

[@tylerdurden9707]

Ah yes, "Vuncore", my favorite sub-genre of metal.

[@deepfriedavocado]

buildzoid is the kind of guy who you just nod and act like you understand what he's saying. whenever i want to realize how stupid i am i watch a buildzoid video in hopes that one day i wont be as stupid

[@Edooo20]

Tuf Tuf Tuf Tuf... please do 3080 TUF OC PCB analysis!

[@ken444444]

Very good video! Good length of content without too much repetitive content. Well done!

[@danf6958]

Are NVIDIA and AMD trying to kill AIBs?

[@GamersNexus]

Not yet, maybe one day. They don't have the logistical or support capabilities of specialized partners, and certainly AMD is not in a position to do that right now.

[@TheDigitalFlight]

@@Gandalf721 it looks like the partner cards that suck nowadays and not NVIDIA

[@WayStedYou]

@@Gandalf721 the designs still need to be approved by nvidia.

[@RyuKimGaming]

What *AIBS* stand for?

[@GeorgeD1]

@@RyuKimGaming Add-In Board

[@ripperino2171]

Never clicked so fast in my life

[@odinsplaygrounds]

How about the morning of September 17th?

[@shanereagan3498]

Extremely informative video. As a junior digital electronics engineer, this video is one of the most fun and useful videos I've watched! Thank you!

[@markiangooley]

I hadn’t realized those benefits of SMD capacitors: I thought they were just more compact and didn’t require the drilling of holes, like other SMDs.

[@johnuferbach9166]

they also have no legs, so the parasites are a bit lower aswell afaik

[@nicholasvinen]

In general, smaller components handle higher frequencies better.

[@MrCdnGhost]

Great breakdown as always Buildzoid, can’t wait to see more of them.

[@arya20j4]

Waiting for Tuf 3080 pcb breakdown

[@yifeiren8004]

No need, it is perfect.

[@mikekelley7270]

Yeah, demand for tuf and strix is going to be through the roof.

[@adreanmarantz2103]

@@mikekelley7270 As much as I love my Asus monitors and MBs, I am NOT putting a card that says 'TUF GAMING' anywhere near my system.

[@CyberMew]

Adrean Marantz why?

[@adreanmarantz2103]

@@CyberMew If Walmart made video cards, they would call them 'TUF Gaming' or maybe HYPER TUF Gaming. I know, it's petty but in the age of RGB lighting I need something cooler.

[@Wahinies]

Commenting before watching just thanking GN and Buildzoid much love

[@johnnyice769]

Founders edition is solidly built, seems to be the best $700 option 3080. And at $750 the Asus TUF OC, not a bad option either.

[@prototype8137]

There are no options. You cant get any of these cards anywhere. People are buying whatever is available. Thats the big issue here. They all knew the limited launch would sell out so they cheaped out on components.

[@johnnyice769]

@@prototype8137 I'm not in no hurry my 2080 is running just fine I usually buy 6 months to a year after the release to make sure all the bugs are worked out. But for the price, and the build quality. these two cards look the best in my option.

[@utubby3730]

Prototype 81 They didn’t all cheap out on components, both reviews and consumers have been showing that the TUF model is looking like the MVP this round - for its price.

[@Chuckiele]

Yeah, this PCB is far better than the reference PCB, so until there are real custom PCBs, the FE will most likely be be the best one. The cooler is also extremely well designed and for most cases it looks like the best one to me. The only issue with that card is the GPU itself, which is on Samsungs crappy 8nm process and you notice that in several aspects, being the very bad efficiency and the fact that they have to cut them down in many corners because of bad yields. Im very sorry for all the engineers that put so much work into this design just to be destroyed by the management and marketing people.

[@Marcel1984nl]

I think this is a useful video, because many people actually don't know how the power is mutually regulated on a video card's PCB itself, especially with the new NVIDIA series, because they use quite a lot of wattage at peak power consumption. ;-)

[@jonathonschott]

'So they cut all the corners they could, except for the founders edition'..... Said with a giant corner cut out of the pcb. God bless the English language.

[@jonathonschott]

@Sergije treci i reckon....?

[@DougguoD]

👍 Thanks for the board partners headsup 👍

[@Randymountaine]

I like to play this video really loudly when friends and family come over, they instantly assume im incredibly intelligent

[@TheRealLink]

I don't really understand too much of what's discussed, but it is intriguing to hear it explained in an approachable way, Makes my decision of buying an FE card better.

[@PokemasterSD]

Someone on reddit called Buildzoid Tech Kermit and that just elevates him to the realm of the gods in my eyes.

[@GLIDGaming]

Will a 3080 FE waterblock fit the 3090 FE ??

[@thelasttaarakian]

This is why I want the FE. I am so sick and tired of every 3rd party vendor cutting corners and claiming “that’s just how these cards function.” The tech industry is an absolute joke imo.

[@neonlights_12]

That's why they save the good stuff for the $800+ cards. "Well it's a lower end sku, what did you expect?"

[@AlexDraven4646]

Yeah same here..im buy FE cards this time around. Much better then these 3rd party cards..which is first time the FE cards are actually performing better then the 3rd party cards

[@dennismmm]

@C I if the power to price ratio is still good compared to 2080

[@Indpendent01]

I didn't know I was going to learn how the power management works on a graphics card. Very interesting!

[@NerdyRodent]

We see you there, trying to disguise yourself as a capacitor!

[@matthewimbrosciano9217]

This is a list of parts for my first ever PC build, any suggestions/advice or feedback would truly help me tremendously. Thank you. CPU-Intel i9-10900k, CPU Cooler-Noctua NH-D15 Chromax.Black, Motherboard-Asus ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO(Wi-Fi) LGA 1200, Memory-Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro(4 sticks of 16GB each), GPU-Trying to get literally any 3080 but preferably not one of the worse custom cards, Case-Phanteks Eclipse P500A Digital RGB Mid Tower, PSU-Corsair 850W 80+ Titanium Fully Modular ATX and Monitor-Asus ROG Swift PG258Q 24.5” 1920x1080 Hz Monitor

[@sriramsrinivas4431]

I don't know what he is saying but I am still watching to know

[@jon11978]

Good stuff on explaining the stages and functions of each. Finally some engineering sense and analysis. More of this PC Jesus GN!

[@DampedVirus]

Luv ya buildzoid

[@theborbz3024]

SOOOO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SAYING YOU BUILDZOID on your latest video that GOTTA MOVE or need space, and now here you are at the GAMER NEXUS!!! So happy for you BUILDZOID keep doing on your craft you'll definitely shine on what you do.. I will always be that DIRTY CASUAL on your original channel buildzoid..

[@waleed8530]

Reddit engineers incoming

[@daedalus6433]

@@Gandalf721 PhDs don't even mean anything anymore anyway.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@daedalus6433 The super intelligent A.I. understands the human game.

[@WayStedYou]

@@Gandalf721 He is going to school for electrical engineering though not sure why people say that

[@WayStedYou]

TFW buildzoid is a reddit engineer too.

[@scorpion07070]

@@Gandalf721 It's the mindset of the poor. They've been conditioned by those above them to need permission to do anything different, important, or showing any expertise they acquired from outside the system. They never get that permission, and so they work until they die just to eat and have a roof over their heads. So many geniuses and potentially world-changing minds have toiled in the fields or broken themselves hauling rocks out of mines because they never got "permission" to do anything else. In this way the wealthy have held back humanity for millennia. And while a degree is a certain kind of permission, it comes with such expense from an established authority that you never rise above your station anyway until you're far too old to matter much to the power structure. And by then, your degree is outdated and dubious anyway. The worst part of this, is that the poor will enforce these "permission" requirements on each other. The system held them down, why shouldn't it hold you down too, lest it be unfair? You need a degree or even other people of your own class don't believe a word you say, this indoctrination is so deep. You're just a hobbyist. "On what authority do you say this?", or more accurately "What the fuck do you know?" can't be answered convincingly without papered proof from an authority above the both of you. This "permission" to be something other than an uneducated peasant, officially, used to come from the church, which is why they persecuted independent scientists and facts until the university system overtook their authority, and now without THEIR approval, you don't officially know anything. At least they don't burn you for trying anymore, I guess.

[@Adrian_Vaughan]

Do love this guy, nice and clear and knows what he's talking about, he's the reason I bought my x570 board

[@MildManNerd]

Patiently waits a few years for the 4080.🤔

[@TheFalseHuman]

Probably 2 years?

[@BlazeBluetm35]

@jt thorsson god damn, i don't have a 3080, but you sound jealous af.

[@schalkvanheerden6151]

I mean, it is really entertaining to watch you analyze the card, down to the detail level in which you do this. Some part of me however is like... he could be yanking our chains and we would be none the wiser. I'm like ooooh, I see the number on the chip he is referring 2 aaaiiiight ;) I love to watch these videos though. It feels like I am learning something, not always sure what, but something ;)

[@jaju123456]

How does the TUF PCB compare to the FE?

[@andersjjensen]

Mr Builzoid will most certainly do a breakdown when A) He gets around to it, and B) Someone gets him high res pictures of the PCB. From what he's already said in the video on Igors Lab's claim about bad SP caps was that ASUS did a stellar job with the capacitors underneath the GPU itself. Those are way better than even FE.

[@eswagyy]

Makes me happy I got a founders edition. To me, it was the best design, and I am glad they didn’t cut corners with cost on the board.

[@angumech13]

Buildzoid and Steve work together?

[@GamersNexus]

For several years and regularly, yes.

[@micobugija6284]

In a parallel universe, steve is still steve and buildzoid only takes 10min for a video so every 3rd video on GN is a video with buildzoid in it

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

​@@GamersNexus Remember kids. You can patch any application to return genuine.intel code to allow the full x86 licensing agreement in Ryzen processors if that application in fact is being a filthy cheat. If you cant comment due to politics, I get it bro. But Level1techs released the facts when I was weeks hot on the trail of intel in relation to StarCraft II thanks to a tip I received on their forum to a thread I made about optimizing the game. He was a lot nicer about it. Maybe more people that are actually cool like you guys, can get this resolved. I mean would you personally run a Ryzen CPU and do the patch for heightened potential productivity, and not tell your audience because that hand has some really yummy skittles? More importantly, do you not?

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@GamersNexus I mean its kind of ridiculous. You have people as well educated on this stuff as BZ and level1techs, but we only get a little strip tease of what is possible. Again, its not merely data scientists playing with math libraries. Its honest to god video games. VIDEO GAMES I say. But we know where those loyalties lie. A man has to run his business, and mind his all the same.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

@@GamersNexus The funny part is I know damn well, that everyone is at this point very aware of whats up even if they dont make videos about it, or say it in its full context.

[@leeannpower]

This is awesome...very explicit and technical..NICE ONE!

[@mohsinopiani]

I have no idea what he's saying half the time but I'm still watching all of it

[@exileelixe1081]

Excllent Job Buildzoid! Thanks again. ... Regarding 8pin power being able to handle way more than suggested. Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge : Er, the tank can't withstand that kind of pressure. Scotty : [laughs] Where'd you... where'd you get that idea? Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge : What do you mean, where did I get that idea? It's in the impulse engine specifications. Scotty : Regulation 42/15 - Pressure Variances on the IRC Tank Storage? Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge : Yeah. Scotty : Forget it. I wrote it. A good engineer is always a wee bit conservative, at least on paper. Just bypass the secondary cut-off valve and boost the flow. It'll work.

[@johnsmitherino4913]

best tech channel hype

[@ascrowok3941]

thanks for all the great work from both channels, cheers from Brasil

[@lil----lil]

My question is: OUT of all the 3rd party vendors: WHO HAS THE MOST "OVER BUILD" PCB??? Can you please answer. That is DA ONE that I'll be buying!

[@ze_rubenator]

It's usually Asus. In my experience their quality has always been high with all their products.

[@Verpal]

IMO ASUS seems to be the more ''over the top'', even their base TUF model have good cooler, VRM and trace design.

[@thelunchbox420x]

It probably isn't out yet. Kingpin or HOF.

[@ahhahhhhyeah]

Its already been stated, its Asus. Board wise, it's more over built the the FE card.

[@四as]

Kingpin will have the best PCB. That's the one you'll be buying!

[@PoisonGryphon]

As I am wrapping up a CE/EE degree, I appreciate all the details Buildzoid & Games Nexus Provides, thx.

[@PabzRoz]

Now I'm happy I sold my Tuf gaming 3080 OC for 2 grand and got a 3090 FE from Microcenter 3 days ago lol.

[@phillip105pv]

The TUF series actually is one of the few built right and isn't affected by this, in fact I heard it is better than the FE as it has 6 of the expensive chips compared to the FE only having 2, same with the 3090

[@PabzRoz]

@@phillip105pv They're still experiencing crashes thanks to some other issue where they cheeped out on the pcb compared to the FE card. tuf gaming is the best compared to all the board partners but they still have issues. they're coming out with better cards with new designs soon.

[@PabzRoz]

@@phillip105pv twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1309659834468298753 Hardware unboxed tweeted about the tuf gaming crashes and there are multiple videos of people showing their tuf gaming cards crashing.

[@bookworm8415]

YESSSSSSSSSSS! TOOK YOU LONG ENOUGH BZ! SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A 3080 AND 3090 SO WE CAN SEE HIM PLAY WITH THEM!

[@turdpeterson73]

im sure the asus strix will be using top end parts

[@jonathaneads5257]

I believe Jayz 2 Cents said they would have 6 of the high end power things.

[@owenness6146]

Love the shade in the cold open

[@royevans4581]

Yes, I get you , but you did not mention anything about the reasoning behind the non-inclusion of a semi spheric femtoplasmic inaugurator in the design.

[@royevans4581]

@@SISSYPUSS i like where you are going with that. It would certainly decrease the eddy currents through the dimorphic glavir transcender😄

[@royevans4581]

@@SISSYPUSS Poor eddy lol. What's your verdict then. Are you going to hold out for a later design or just go with good ol' FE?

[@royevans4581]

@@SISSYPUSS btw, If they had bothered to ask us to design the thing for them, these cards would consume 10 watts, actually cool the pc, run 10 times faster and everyone would have one on launch day at a price of $50. But no, they think they know better! AAH well......😂😂😂

[@royevans4581]

@@SISSYPUSS coo-el. I thought 'stuff it' I'll wait. Bought myself a digital drum kit instead! You can hit it, which is way more fun, lol. aah, gadgets............... Happy gaming/ stuff that needs fast visumaths 🤘🤘🤘

[@royevans4581]

@@SISSYPUSS I'm running a Zotac Amp! Extreme GTX1070 at the moment and it's giving me 30fps @ 1440p Ultra on Flight Sim 2020. PC is a X470 MSI board with a Ryzen 5 3600X. 32Gb 3200mhz. Beautiful sim, looks great just the odd stutter but nothing to write home about. I stay away from the sprawling metropolises. )) I'm getting a 3080 (eventually) so I can run at 4k but maybe I'll not notice such a big difference anyway. This Zotac card is great and I got it for £200.

[@TheGamerUnknown]

I'm excited to see the partner benchmark comparisons. Hopefully we get those soon! Though I guess since none of them are buyable it's not a big deal. :(

[@toonheaded]

Lol hearing Buildzoid's voice in the beginning confused me. I was like Buildzoid hasn't uploaded yet today I thought I was watching GN.

[@rich1051414]

Capacitors(As close as possible to the point you want to have reduced voltage drop) are also a solution to power loss over a power plane, but only with dynamic loads, and you need a lot of capacitance. Carry on :)

[@SGz_Eliminated]

What's that you say, these SMD capacitors are great? If only the rest of the internet agreed with you but they think they know better.

[@EverydayLayman]

That's what I was thinking as well. JayzTwoCents tore apart a bunch of AIB cards to get to a suspected ESI issue with the final stage caps. They think it was because some AIBs have 5 or 6 POSCAPs which are supposedly cheaper than the MLCC and are prone to cross talk. So in this video they are apparently the more expensive and better option, but in JTCs video they are the cheaper option. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmfFhoh7espgjpo

[@Malkavon]

@@EverydayLayman Both the capacitors JayzTwoCents (and really, Igor's Lab) talked about are SMDs. They're different types of SMDs, but they are they same general category (the smaller clusters are MLCCs, the larger individual capacitors are SP-Caps). That's completely different than the Through-Hole caps BuildZoid is contrasting them with here.

[@henryong4100]

So glad GN decided to use the 30 min version!

[@stankidofu5829]

"i dont understand why they removed those parts, they only cost 4 USD" well, what do you gain by putting them back? if its +5mhz then.. maybe thats why they removed it? ^^

[@Volvith]

_You'd be surprised how many times you can "leave out only 5mhz of performance for a bit of cost reduction"..._

[@somethingbrite8484]

Buildzoid totally rocks!

[@andrewizquierdo825]

Isn't asus the only one who went above and beyond with their capacitors ? Or am I wrong?

[@roebbiej]

I did not understand a single thing in this video but it was still very interesting.

[@diablo5744]

0.01% made sense, but i watched it all anyway grumbling " why did they do that " and " good idea "....

[@Bryanj2222]

"9 shunt resistors!? What were they thinking?"

[@andersjjensen]

@@Bryanj2222 Yeah! NINE! :P

[@BRUXXUS]

These are always a joy to watch. 😊

[@reallyanti]

This video made me realize I only watch this channel for Steve lol

[@GamersNexus]

We have a lot of experts here and believe in specialization. You should try some of the other content, too! Buildzoid knows a lot that I don't, and vice versa, and that's why we specialize in the things we do rather than generalize. There's more to be learned that way!

[@dweb1857]

@@GamersNexus I think your voice and hair tucks are just a lot more soothing to your viewers Steve

[@edfort5704]

I'd be impressed if I saw a 10-year warranty on this. The measly 1-2 year warranty manufacturers offer for their products speaks volumes of the trust they have in the reliability of their own products.

[@Wholenewcris]

I just spent 30 minutes watching this and I understood nothing lol

[@jasonmajere2165]

That is the pull of buildzoid.

[@andersjjensen]

Watch harder! :P Though seriously, if you just consult wikipedia every time he says a word you don't understand, and read the first two-three paragraphs to grasp the general idea, then it'll all click into place pretty quick.

[@gabrielferrazdetetivehardware]

wait, aren't the GDDR6X controlled by the UPI uS5650Q?

[@hquest]

With this whole “new” power distribution layout and the fact closer components gets “more” power than components on the far side, one has to think: how come this wasn’t common sense?

[@GamersNexus]

It was and it's been done before, but these higher power devices often get more focus on it.

[@hquest]

Gamers Nexus well, it sort of was. As he too mentions, Vega cards are known to suffer from this. This just reminds me of a regular combustion engine: you have intakes coming from both sides of the engine for a reason.

[@bengrogan9710]

My understanding is that on lower power chips the power is made to snake and have roughly equal trace lengths as it costs less than distribution of vrm

[@paulthebeardedonedowning6820]

fantastic this guy incredible learn something every time

[@backupplan6058]

Disliked, not enough time explaining capacitors and why they are not POSCAPS. 10min rant is a minimum requirement.

[@ascrowok3941]

true

[@mikhailshi]

Please no, the speech polluted with parasite words is enough as is

[@AndrewCislak]

I think he said this was recorded before his rant on AHOC

[@emmata98]

@@AndrewCislak yes, it was

[@MrAwol007]

been waiting for this thanks :)

[@johnmase924]

im seeing 10 nvidia engineers that disliked this video

[@joeryan9365]

Im thinking they would. Just imagine all their potential being limited by management to save a few cents. Just look at the AIB cards. Idt it was the engineers decision to cheap out on capa for a few cents.

[@harootpashayan]

i was just watching his video too very good. Lucked out on a RTX 3090 should I sell it or keep?

[@neonlights_12]

If you can afford to keep it, then keep it!

[@WineHouse33]

Glad I didn’t pay 1300 for the third-party eBay. I was very close

[@2911oscar]

very close to being very stupid

[@GamersNexus]

DON'T DO THAT!

[@PasteteDoeniel]

Why would you even consider that? Unless you want the next gpu launch to end the same way.

[@PizzaPowerXYZ]

@@GamersNexus paper edition 3080 is the best edition

[@zzyxzz4160]

Its never good to buy the very first batch. There will be always issues. Just wait for the improved ones. Nvidias marketing makes you hyped to get disappointed. I did the same with vega. My friend bought instantly and I got a later one with improved thermals. The same model and I payed much less.

[@icaruswindrune7116]

For the video, it was interesting to hear about your findings and seeing what the PCB quality is was cool - but I guess I am a bit too uninitiated in the tech sphere since most of what you said flew over my head. Guess I will be doing some side research along with figuring out which major I want to take (looking at computer engineering and physics - but I definitely will need to know what these terms mean). On a side note that isn't related to the video subject at all, there seems to be leaks of RDNA 2 having base clocks in the 2 ghz - 2.5 ghz range (the 2.5 is supposedly on a 40 CU card, which is crazy). What are your thoughts on that? (this is to anyone who sees this comment)

[@taylorbertrim7625]

I'm happy with my 2080 Super. Glad I didn't jump on the hype train.

[@rosen9425]

Hypetrain all you want, the actual train is still on the platform waiting for maintenance

[@NeoVoodooTech]

Buildzoid is the best zoid. Well done!

[@jackjohnson8305]

I miss Steve already

[@sunnohh]

You know buldzoids higher plane of existence just isn’t suitable for some mere mortals

[@jackjohnson8305]

@@sunnohh yes

[@CaptainsWorkspace]

Are you gonna publish the high-res PCB scans?

[@JustinDeFouw]

From someone who used to build electronics from scratch this is gold nerdism.

[@YoGramGram1]

Hey, just curious, do you guys ever plan to do a video about using two 3090 FE's with NVLink to get specs and such. The way I'm looking at it, which the new NVLink they released, you have to have the cards sitting right above/under one another. With how the fans are positioned, in my head, top cards intake is choked, and the bottom card's top exhaust is choked, making thermals possibly a nightmare. Obviously I have no care to spend 3 grand, or even 1.5 grand, but this is currently the tech question that keeps me up at night. Unless the spacing in my head is wrong... but the 3090 FE is three slots deep, and all the past NVLinks have connected 3 slots apart. HELP ME FIND MY ANSWERS GAMERS NEXUS

[@YoGramGram1]

Wait wait wait I think I figured out how it works. The bottom's card top exhaust fan blows into/through the fins of the top card. The top cards bottom intake still probably is choked because it's against the plate of the bottom card however... now it's just seeing how much, if any, it effects performance.

[@tillbot1651]

Interesting idea for a vid but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it. GN typically make vids that will inform the broader audience and I don’t see too many people running two 3090s in their home setup.

[@MagicManCM]

Buildzoid seems like a chill dude

[@BlueprintHD]

How can one dislike this video? I can't comprehend..