Get It Together, Intel: Core Ultra 9 285K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 7800X3D, 9950X, More

[@GamersNexus]

Watch the Intel Ultra 5 245K review here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jam7i5-Fg9pnf8k (but the 285K review contains a lot of important details not in the 245K) Watch our build log video explaining our power testing setup! Really fun video and different format! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ6uYqV5rrCVnbM Grab a GamersNexus Anti-Static PC Building Modmat here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/large-modmat-gn15-anniversary Get the Silicone Soldering Mat here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gn-project-soldering-mat Or our 3D PC component-themed coaster packs! store.gamersnexus.net/products/3d-coaster-pack-4-component-coasters Watch our coverage of the basic Intel Arrow Lake CPU Specs Differences: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJmsiadnqNuEkMk

[@santiagoferrari1973]

Steve bulking?

[@kingofstrike1234]

please tell the power issues to other reviewers / call them since it seemed they didn't know about this

[@bas-san]

super fast editing is slightly sickening. 36m25 etc...

[@ADB-zf5zr]

Just imagine where the 9800X3D will land with it's frequency being closer to the non X3D variants before it, and due to higher TDP's, it can seemingly keep much higher all-core clocks than the 7800X3D as well.! Performance is going to be very interesting all round and I can't wait for your launch day review. Keep up the excellent work.

[@JohnDoe-ip3oq]

I would just like to point out, the power use efficiency marketing point taking years to offset and thus being pointless has long been the ridiculous argument for video cards. Nvidia has had both worse and better efficiency, and every time they're more efficient they pretend it's worth $200+ premium over AMD. It's not, and never has been, nor are they consistently more efficient. It's an insane argument, one that needs to go away. Especially when your card idles on the desktop. Sad that it takes Intel to finally call out this nonsense, and hilariously it's probably because it's considered acceptable to do it compared to AMD. This would NEVER happen comparing video cards. This talking point MYTH has been repeated for decades on Reddit, with never enough push back to get rid of it. It needs to go away. Thanks for pointing it out.

[@auritro3903]

"AMD is in the rearview mirror" Intel, which way were you driving again?

[@volvo09]

Hahaha 😂

[@GamersNexus]

Don't forget "CUDA is a footnote in history"

[@nekogami87]

@@GamersNexus did intel really said that ? O_o

[@bazooka712]

@@GamersNexus They have the history book upside down, after the crash due to driving on the wrong way and reading at the same time...

[@rocko107me8]

@@nekogami87 Yes...came straight from the clown mouth of CEO Pat Gelsinger. It's one of the many reasons I have no respect for him. Although he is an engineer most of his time has been spent as a marketing mouth spewing false statements again and again. Leadership this, leadership that...AMD is in the rearview mirror. Absolute clown.

[@POLARTTYRTM]

No bigger number better, better bigger number or number bigger better this time.

[@GamersNexus]

Number smaller but bigger smaller number still better than smaller bigger number

[@SupraSav]

@@maverick18wheels90 oh wow someone brought politics into a CPU video... I wonder what country you live in...

[@aricrudd6579]

@@maverick18wheels90Why bring politics into this? Plus, that sounds more like Trump.

[@Pepper163_3]

@@aricrudd6579you just did the same... ironic

[@masklessninja]

@@aricrudd6579sounds like a Kamala word salad

[@iwsfg]

Man, the ever changing background of the set looks so pretty now. I just remembered what the old wall in the house used to look like, or backdrop in older videos before you put it up even, and it's such a stark contrast. Love seeing how much GN has grown over the years and especially the fact that you continue to remain the same bunch, very thorough, pro-consumer and kinda down to earth. You upped the quality and scale of operations but you stayed the same, that's so awesome of you. Thank you for your hard work!

[@BRUXXUS]

The old "crawl under desk to get to the set" days. :) Even though the HQ has changed, and depth of content has improved, they still have the same rock solid values.

[@Cobalt_Capacitor]

So basically: - More expensive than current competition (including its own brand) for less overall performance - Potential stability issues if the 285K draws more from the ATX 24-pin than it should - New platform and socket (again) 5800x3D on AM4: "Pathetic"

[@darkkingastos4369]

5600x3d on AM4: You know it big bro we got this

[@Kaheeros]

My 5800X3D: 😎🔥👍

[@sutnack7537]

ill still never be poor enough to use AMD

[@marcel-q1m]

​@@sutnack7537 Don't have to buy AMD if Intel provides better competition to this new lineup themselves. Also what a clown take

[@marinipersonal]

@@sutnack7537intellectually you’re very poor.

[@kcmsterpce]

Thanks, Steve! (and team!)

[@GamersNexus]

Damn. I should have used that meme.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

INTEL IS STILL BETTER THAN AMD! COPE COPE COPE!

[@Beodude123]

​@@GamersNexus You should never not use it haha gets me every time!

[@fleurdewin7958]

Intel : "Thanks ,Steve ! for not calling the 285K a waste of sand. "

[@mr.flipflop2630]

​@@FO0TMinecraftPVP What a Fanboy.

[@FC-rq1np]

This is without doubts the most tech-savy, unmitigated, no-frills, honest, direct and transparent review of the 285K on the Internet as of now. Most other reviews do not even come near this level of competence. It provides the What and also the Why. Thank you.

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

GN has become the *Golden Standard* for tech reviews.

[@theftking]

Yeah but they forgot to do the bend test like JerryRigEverything does.

[@SpiDey1500]

DerBauer is on the same level

[@parufy]

scratches at a level 6...

[@Piev_]

@@Just_An_Ignacio We could call GN the Golden Norm now

[@lightofscorpio9396]

This is why you shouldn't be a brand fan boy. Be a fan of good products.

[@jeffb.6642]

Yes and don't make the mistake of assuming that a product is automatically good because of the brand.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

I'm a water cooler of good products

[@TravisPNW]

Amen. Ditched Intel for AMD recently… first AMD build since 2001. Quality > loyalty.

[@ja.935g67]

Agreed

[@dozilla77]

1000% based comment of the day.

[@LFPGaming]

so AMD is STILL cheaper and more efficient AND more powerful. still kicking Intel's butt in every way

[@BladeCrew]

Meanwhile im still using my 85 dollar Ryzen 5 5500, my 100 dollar Asrock 450M Steel Legend and my 4X16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL 16 for 60 dollars. My 245 dollar platform still giong strong. I have an RTX 3050 8GB but planning to wait or get a rx 7700XT, they are 360 dollars brand new where I live.

[@JJARCHIE]

​@@BladeCrewgo for a used gpu , these days unless it was dipped in water then risks are low

[@nipa5961]

$600+ Arrow Lake can't even beat the "old" $300 5800X3D.

[@zerosam5541]

​@@BladeCrew rx6600?

[@RealMrStoofus]

@@nipa5961 Don't forget the required motherboard, and anything else which may be required, and it just makes no sense at all for anyone to buy into the platform.

[@boostedmedia]

Finally someone puts the actual cost savings from CPU efficiency into perspective. People get SO caught up on this when it really make so little practical difference.

[@monte0704]

Love your channel BTW. It makes sense when comparing two CPUs around the same cost, or around the same performance. We can also assume more efficient CPUs will be easier to cool, and that's really nice for those of us on small form factor builds.

[@boostedmedia]

@@monte0704 absolutely. I'm talking about cost savings specifically. Those other factors are of course very valid.

[@brutetriple8637]

haven't watched the video yet, but the cost savings can be very different depending on the country you're living in. we Germans have very high energy prices and depending on your usage it _can_ be a valid factor.

[@lindblommicke]

Im more concerned with the heat output. I dont want to be gaming in a sauna

[@8lec_R]

Depends on the country and usage. I'm looking for a 15w idling system to use as a server. Haven't found anything for a decent price/performance yet

[@TriplePalindromous]

UserBenchmark must be going crazy right now

[@theRemedyGames]

UB in absolute shambles.

[@jimmyschwarz9075]

285k has +17% in comparison to a r9 9950x

[@traiges414]

you can bet that he is currently on an I.V filled with cope and self hatred

[@chunkyfen]

There's one user review, probably the owner fiddling with the results and crying

[@nempk1817]

@@jimmyschwarz9075 "285k has +17% in comparison to a r9 9950x are you on crack?" where you saw that

[@JmGt24]

I want to know how Userbenchmark will spin this around to justify the 285K being better than anything AMD has around for flagships. Can't wait!

[@GigAnonymous]

"It has less numbers, and therefore it's better" ?

[@dnakatomiuk]

That website should be taken down for false info

[@fracturedlife1393]

it's such a strange thing to look forward to i'll be f5-ing right with you.

[@chrissoclone]

Newer = 50 extra points, completely logical. New platform too, again 50 extra points.

[@jameysummers1577]

Take a look. They have a sample, and it's already overtaken ALL of AMD Ryzen processors somehow. Userbench has the Core Ultra 9 above the 7800X3D by something like 20% to 30%. I'm glad it's got a bad reputation.

[@FatheredPuma81]

AMD: "How about 10% performance increase with a $50 MSRP decrease this generation?" Me: "Well I guess I'm going Intel for my next upgrade." Intel: "How about -5% performance increase this generation?" Me: "....... WHAT?!"

[@Schneiderhahn]

Unfortunately, this is the situation with x86 at the moment. meanwhile: Apple: how about 25% performance increase? Qualcomm: how about 50%?

[@masterkamen371]

Lol in my country the $50 MSRP reduction becomes a 50 or 100 EUR increase.

[@w04h]

Decrease? AMD increased the price... Edit: 9600x is 3.9GHz base part with no cooler included for 279$. 7600x launched at 289$ but it has a base of 4.7GHz and no cooler. Non-x 7600 only has base of 3.8GHz but costs 229$ and HAS a cooler. Marketing LOL.

[@sorryforthatt]

@@Schneiderhahn technically no

[@goldenhate6649]

Well, apple is starting from nothing, so 25% boost is easy. Same with qualcomm. Then again, if you are using apple for gaming, I pity the fool

[@VarriskKhanaar]

For those who are wondering, the 285K is presently testing 17% slower than the 9950X on Linux

[@fracturedlife1393]

cheers! was waiting for the computer janitor to drop

[@mathewhex7045]

Omega oof. Hope amd maintains naming conventions.

[@MaryannLynch-z9c]

Thanks, That difference is really gross. Am on Linux. Did expect the 9950X would be better but that's a huge difference.

[@yc_030]

Can't wait for the 7800x3d to get even more expensive lol

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Makes you wonder if they chose the *85 on purpose to later introduce *95

[@MrEscalus]

Arrow "in the knee" Lake. (Thanks, Steve! + the team!

[@warzIbanez]

Should have been "to the knee"

[@Lurch-Bot]

Error Lake is a perfect follow up to Crapper Lake.

[@enlightendbel]

When Roman made his video about this and how the power wasn't going to have to be measured from 12V line alone, the first thing that came to my mind was "is it going to show that Intel isn't actually that much more improved power efficient (50% claim), but a lot of reviewers will think it is because they don't have enough due diligence to account for a lot of the power now being drawn from a plug that carries a lot of other components?" And here we are, peak improvements may be in the 50% range, but in general, much less so. On top of that, Intel CPU's, even with this substantial power usage improvement, still use nearly double the power of their AMD equivalents. Lets hope that with them moving to the chiplet design, they'll be able to rapidly re-engineer their CPU cores to actually do better. Also, to be fair, everything and everyone has issues with EAC. It's an overly aggressive anti cheat nuisance that sometimes won't start games because it detects Visual Studio or other development tools installed on a system.

[@Grim_Prospects]

Intel bought the plot, the shovel, the casket... Then rather than throw AMD 6 feet deep, jumped in themselves. Really impressive to watch.

[@BBWahoo]

"That'll show them!" Says Intel as they break their own spine

[@Saif0412]

​@@BBWahoo😂

[@MichaelVermylen]

And gave the shovel to AMD to finish the job.

[@rahorin]

It's wild that the 5800X3d is in top 3. It's such an old platform it's like a horse and buggy being faster than a car. Crazy to think about.

[@BBWahoo]

@@rahorin I hope we get another, higher clocked 5800X3D since the current one will be discontinued

[@some-replies]

My 5700x3d was faulty and AMD had a new one in my hands after 2 emails and 6 days. They have my business

[@Alex-q8w9i]

What was the problem?

[@rickyalert]

such an obnoxiously dumb reason to bootlick a megacorp. you got fucked and because they fixed their own mistake, you suck them off? wtf

[@fireflythe7]

@@Alex-q8w9iSilicon lottery gone bad.

[@some-replies]

@@fireflythe7 basically. Voltage drops went too low at idle and it would instant reboot at idle and light load. New CPU beats the cinebench average for my chip with default settings. Can run 4Ghz and never go past 70c

[@fireflythe7]

@@some-replies I’m hopping on the AM5 socket after my I3-9100F croaks.

[@vasheroo]

I love that you guys include stellaris. That late game slowdown is the true end-game crisis.

[@proCaylak]

that's clausewitz engine for you.

[@PestDoktorLive]

Well the 285k made Ryzen 9000 looking good, I havent thought this is possible and showed that the X3D CPUs are ageing like a very fine and expensive wine.

[@brandonunger1689]

Yeah....this is shaping up to be a massive... I mean massive Intel backfire. I'm predicting massive Intel layoffs in near future....

[@Avendesora]

@@brandonunger1689 So are they. I think it was just last week that they announced another 1k+ layoffs in the US

[@jaylapointe1654]

@@brandonunger1689 It takes more than just a few years for a massive turnaround. It took AMD a lot of years to get to the point it is at.

[@GerardoPerez]

@@brandonunger1689 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@xnitropunkx]

@@brandonunger1689 So predicting whats already happening? Wow so insightful!

[@BeCurieUs]

Crazy to see my 58003d still coming in the top of the charts sometimes. AM4 best platform to ever exist in my lifetime, upgraded from a 1600....so awesome.

[@sutnack7537]

the crazy thing is all these people admitting to being poor enough to use AMD

[@DarkorbitForever12]

​@@sutnack7537get with the times old man, AMD has been the premier CPU maker for years by now.

[@leicestersq1]

@@sutnack7537 I am so poor that I have no choice but to put up with the best performance and efficiency. I dream of getting frequent BSOD like you rich guys.

[@praill]

@@sutnack7537 the crazy thing is saying something so out of touch with performance benchmarks

[@MycaeWitchofHyphae]

@@sutnack7537imagine being stupid enough to buy a worse product because it’s more expensive.

[@Farbulus]

I bought a brand new 5700x3D off ebay w/ a coupon for $161. Such a good CPU.

[@reesesman8821]

Got mine for 180ish a few months ago so glad I did because it's close to the new intel flagship and that's crazy to me

[@8lec_R]

One helluva deal

[@bulutcagdas1071]

What a bargain.

[@1992Latvian]

Got my this week. Here is goes close to 1/2 of 5800x3d price 180-190 euro, loving it and seems a real bang for buck. For some reason it stays at 4.05GHz instead of 4.1. But super cool and stable with 40v underclock

[@Loundsify]

​@@1992Latviansame, I paid £161 and mine also sits at 4050Mhz. I think 4.1Ghz is rated for single core boost.

[@jssku1]

everytime i watch one these videos it just brings a smile to my face as a 5800x3d owner

[@brandon6574]

x370 Taichi original had 1800x

[@superior96]

Same, with 150€ 5700x3d

[@RAZGR1Z]

7800x3D owners too.

[@Hamborger-wd5jg]

5700x3d owner here, i agree

[@MysteriousFigure]

7950x3d as well, runs like a dream and cost me less than this thing

[@RFC3514]

Intel manager: "We need you to reduce power consumption by at least 50% to match the competition. Can you do that? Intel engineer: "Not within the next two years, no." Intel manager: "Well, can you draw half the power _from a different place_ so most KZbin reviewers will miss it?" Intel engineer: "Well, that could lead to massive spikes and cause issues for the motherboard, PSU and other components." Intel manager: "We don't make those, so... I'll take your answer as a 'yes'."

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

INTEL IS STILL BETTER THAN AMD! COPE COPE COPE!

[@leonxus2701]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP lol

[@muudzi]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP brotha, life will treat you better if you leave the fanboying bullshit behind

[@RFC3514]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP ​- If performance is against you, focus on power consumption. If power consumption is against you, focus on performance. If both performance _and_ power consumption are against you, focus on price. If price is _also_ against you... COMPLETELY REJECT REALITY AND SHOUT "COPE" IN CAPS!

[@2hotscot]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP You play Mindlesscraft, your opinion is brainless.

[@turbokadett]

Thanks Steve. I had to slow you down to 0.85 speed to fully take in this info heavy presentation. Perhaps a green tea rather than 8 Red Bulls before filming?

[@Latsaaben]

5800X3D still packing a punch! 💪🤜

[@-eMpTy-]

I'm almost sad that upgrading from my 5800X3D wouldn't be worth it lol. Crazy how that CPU held up and is still in 2nd place for many titles.

[@lharsay]

And it also has more US made silicon than Intel with the I/O die still being on Global Foundries 12nm.

[@some-replies]

5700x3D built in June. Plan to run this thing with a 7900xt well into AM6

[@thelevelonepodcast2729]

@@some-replies 5700x3d with 7700 xt and same plan for longevity. do you use pbo tuner? my curve is -35 all cores.

[@necuz]

On track to beat the 1080 Ti as my best ever value buy.

[@zackmatey1793]

“At the peak of degeneracy that we all strife to achieve” is my new favorite quote. 34:45 Thanks Steve.

[@ookammi]

strive

[@zackmatey1793]

@@ookammi ah shit yeah I blame autocorrect

[@566656661]

😢​@@ookammi8

[@guy_autordie]

I'm always amaze how fast Steve can talk and still be understandable.

[@jameysummers1577]

One thing I took away from these charts is that whoever built a Ryzen 5 3600 PC years ago, really got their moneys worth.

[@roseradical7212]

that was me lmfao, just upgraded to a 7800x3D a few months ago though.

[@Stratos1988]

lol, I'm happy they keep it in as it's only frame of reference for me with intel's 8700

[@jameysummers1577]

@@roseradical7212 Thats great. And the way it looks, you’re going to have that processor for many years to come

[@tristen9736]

Yup. Only just upgraded to a 7700x a couple months ago. That machine lasted

[@steampunkskunk3638]

Yep, my 3700x is still going, but is starting to struggle. I do need to upgrade.

[@MrStoffzor]

I'm actually going to watch the whole thing before commenting on how good my 5800X3D is this time

[@TheHighborn]

nailed it

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

INTEL IS STILL BETTER THAN AMD! COPE COPE COPE!

[@Emptiness_Machine_2001]

I have the 5800x non 3D with an Overclock. In many of the game benchmarks, the new intel CPUs were around the same performance or like 10% better than my CPU I paid 300€ for the 5800x shortly after the X3D was anounced years ago. Why is the U9 600 bucks for... well basically no improvement/none that's really big. It's so not worth it.

[@jamesm568]

I guess I'm going to stick with the 9800X3D and still use products from the peasant company.

[@MrStoffzor]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP all I want from Intel is to get their shit together to keep innovation going and for some ROI on their stock, which is -50% rn

[@dangermouse9494]

Thank you to all the team from Gamer's Nexus for all you do. Sometimes the results are not pretty, but you bring us honest reviews with facts and numbers behind them. My 7800X3D will sit here with my 4070Ti Super for years to come.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

I believed you when you said it would be hard, but that power fluctuations are crazy.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

That's also crazy. Intel should have resources to test board partners, but Intel can be weird. They don't have to test every model; just a few random boards in the lineup. I like treating APO like AMD PBO. That's too many launch issues. Rainbox Six tuning? Will we finally get 700 FPS? The most interesting CPU in the charts is the 9700X ($329 at Best Buy right now), sometimes the 9600X. At $329, the 9700X is much better deal for gaming than the 285k ($589 MSRP)

[@alexmannen1991]

does such wild 100w fluctuations wear out capacitors or silicon faster?

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

@@alexmannen1991 It does seem to work a capacitor harder. In theory, the power to the silicon should be pretty well-regulated, but advanced CPU design is far beyond my degree (software-based, very basic electronics)

[@viciouscrossbow]

7800X3D, what a monster. 😎

[@indrahaseo]

R7 7800X3D + RTX 4080 super is ultimate Combo ever 😎👌

[@Haids94]

@@indrahaseo Or R7 7800X3D + RX 7900 XTX. Either one is really cool but the later is what I have😎

[@ivgotballsofsteel4048]

@@indrahaseo Thats what i have.... Its a unit

[@indrahaseo]

@@Haids94 Heck yeah, bro! 😎🤝😎

[@unclerubo]

And I only paid 420€ (21% VAT included) when I bought it earlier this year...

[@Matticitt]

Man the 7800X3D is such a beast

[@jeradfry345]

5800x3d is as well. Still worth buying.

[@KeinNiemand]

@@jeradfry345 only if you are already on am4

[@iLegionaire3755]

All the 8 core X3D processors have been GOATED.

[@djBurgers]

AM4 still looking extremely relevant for the majority of us

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

That's way I bought 5900X (12 cores) two weeks ago. It was massive update for me from my i5 6500 Skylake (4 cores) and I retained 40 gigs of DDR4 🙂 Best PC update ever.

[@jimtekkit]

I bet heavily on AM4 and clambered for a launch day Zen 3 CPU, glad I did too. It was a no-brainer in 2020 and four years later is still very competitive in value. Very reliable platform too, I've used at least five AM4 boards with no issues.

[@artur9782]

yep, for the 1080p kids playing pubg

[@jimtekkit]

@artur9782 Actually I run Linux and mostly do electronics design, I have no interest in wasting my life with games. Personally I think anyone who just plays games is a loser.

[@Menthix]

5800X3D on Captain America's voice: "I can do this all day" while beating the shit out of the 600$ Intel Flagship.

[@nipa5961]

A few weeks ago I was joking saying Arrow Lake won't even beat the 5800X3D. Well...

[@supernotnatural]

5800X3D does shit lmfao. besides gaming, its a shitbox

[@MegaChickenPunch]

@@supernotnatural stop crying

[@Khan-Frr]

​@@supernotnaturalcry intel fanboy

[@JamesBTurner93]

@@supernotnaturalThat's kinda what we bought it for. 🥰

[@augustomartins9516]

I love seeing AMD compete against the 7800X3D

[@bluedot5555]

Much as I appreciate having simulation games like stellaris and/or factorio in the benchmarks, I think you may be running a bit too small of a save file for those. As you increase the load to the point that people would actually start having issues, the relative scaling tends to shift a lot. Ex- factorio is a game that is locked to 60 UPS, so looking at a save that has CPUs giving 200-400 UPS means little since they are all more then fine, while a save which is pushing top end CPUs down to around 60 UPS really shows which CPUs will actually make a difference in terms of how large the factory can grow before you get issues. And logic may expect that a CPU giving 400 UPS vs one giving 300 will mean that at 60, it becomes 60 vs 45, but it winds up performing differently, given that as the base gets bigger, the importance of memory speed, latency, cache, and cpu speed change a lot. I expect something similar to hold true in stellaris. Overall, my thought here is that you may get better results looking not for how the CPUs compare when running the game normally, but rather at how far they let you get with the game before performance drops below acceptable levels. I have been kicking around several ideas for potentially good benchmarks in this vein, looking into the point that the CPU actually starts to degrade the experience for the user, since most of the data currently posted, while useful for relative comparisons, doesn't really show how things wind up looking at that cliff, for the things where you actually can hit that cliff.

[@Neonmirrorblack]

I love it when Steve every now and then goes back to his gaming roots, and just drops a random role-playing game reference. I had to do a double take as soon as I heard "Chronomancer". 🙂

[@hrayz]

I've been listening to a lot of D&D videos lately (with the newest books just come out) and got confused for a moment on what I was watching. In a good way!!

[@punjabeeplaya]

5800x3d induction into CPU hall of fame when? Also, the microcenter deal that meant you would get a 7800x3d for like $210 was epic. GG microcenter and AMD.

[@vinh1360]

When was this? Looking to snipe a 7800x3d.

[@Dexx1s]

@@vinh1360 Only thing gonna be sniped now is your wallet. 7800X3D is going for over MSRP in most places and the 9800X3D is looking to be about $500. All 3 X3D CPUs were dropping pretty hard in price, before the big rumors of the 9800X3D started. Maybe 2 months or so ago.

[@Zoomborg]

@@vinh1360 No such thing as sniping a 7800x 3d anymore. They are going for almost 400$ since 13th and 14th gen issues. If not for 9800x 3d launch they would go even higher

[@vinh1360]

@@Dexx1s no worries, I already have the 5800x3d with a x570 taichi and a 4080. Was just looking for something to be a justified upgrade over my cpu.

[@aziaufa418]

​@@Zoomborgliterally lol, prizes have been up so much since there's huge demand, intel needs to do better so we can have better price

[@latioseon7794]

the perfect statement for "you shouldn't upgrade every new generation"

[@MrFallenone]

-Me on the 10th gen.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

INTEL IS STILL BETTER THAN AMD! COPE COPE COPE!

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

12900KS for 300$ suddenly seems like a good deal.

[@captain_kaoss]

me on a 12900k hoping it lasts

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

I never understood how one can waste so much money on PC. I upgrade every 7 or 8 years!

[@0leMo]

Why does Steve namedropping the AD&D Chronomancer sourcebook make me smile so much? Because I'm a time traveller who've journeyed here from the far past, that's why.

[@CptJistuce]

Welcome to the future, brave chrononaut!

[@chaddesrosiers1107]

It's crazy to still see the 5800x3d still being right up there in every chart. That thing was a gift to gamers.

[@honeybadger6275]

It's the cpu equivalent of the gtx 1080.

[@yumalltheway199]

​@@honeybadger6275more so the gtx 1080ti

[@honeybadger6275]

@@yumalltheway199 yeah thats what i meant

[@MrHav1k]

@@honeybadger6275 I should have just bought one and dropped it in to replace my 3600 rather than doing a new build. Then I'd have that same combo. 5800X3d with 1080ti lmao

[@honeybadger6275]

@@MrHav1k Yeah I went from a 1800x to the 5800x3d, though I got a new motherboard. It was crazy how much of a difference the upgrade made.

[@Nesformers]

I didn't realize this CPU would be so bad it would be competing not with the 7800X3D but with the 5700X3D using cheap DDR4 RAM and consuming around 80W.

[@lharsay]

And while also using ancient Global Foundries 12nm silicon for the I/O die.

[@BladeCrew]

@@lharsay Hey, I will have you know that my Ryzen 5 5500 is 7nm and monolithic. SO HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR MY 85 DOLLAR RYZEN 5 5500.

[@chrisblack6258]

​@@BladeCrewoh, forgot that the 5500 is a crippled APU

[@BladeCrew]

@@chrisblack6258 The 5500 does its job well for the price. You can't tell me 85 dollar 6 core 12 threads aren't bad. In my country the ryzen 5 5600 cost 2 times the price of the 5500 and I have a b450 board which cant use pcie gen 4.

[@chrisblack6258]

@@BladeCrew I was just messing with your previous comment lol. If it satisfy your need, that's great 💯

[@jonathanisom]

AMD Releases Zen5 Reviewers: Not real great value vs Zen4 ~2% for gaming, get Zen4. Intel: Hold my bear

[@magrna3564]

Man my 7800x3d just seems like a really good purchase, in an itx build I couldn’t imagine a current intel cpu. Wow.

[@SupraSav]

I couldn't imagine paying for an intel chip from 13th, 14th, or ultra core i 9 x whatever this gen is. To think I used to be an intel fanboy makes me shudder.

[@tommypuceau]

It clearly is. :)

[@MarcoLoves360gamer]

Im glad i just went with a ryzen 7 7700 for £160 and a am5 itx motherboard. I will stay on amd now, bye intel. I had a i7 11700 before not making the same mistake of no upgrade path.

[@indrahaseo]

yep, AMD already won this years again and let's just wait for Ryzen 9800X3D will be coming soon

[@Pherna_1]

​@SupraSav yeah. I bought a 12900k when they launched, and that's likely the last Intel chip I'll purchase for quite some time. AMD just clearly has them beat.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

APO that gives you a stunning 0.12% improvement in framerate(in best case scenarios)is a feature I waited a long time for a CPU upgrade.

[@Kamikatze_Gaming]

Preorder before its gone !!!!

[@DavideDavini]

Considering that everything under 5% is basically impossible to spot without beachmarking it… LOL. 😂 Cheers mate.

[@PorscheRacer14]

The Disappointment shirt for 2024 will need to use the front, back and sleeves at this rate, to get everything on.

[@ProbablyNotAChicken]

My 5800X3D is looking to be able to let me skip all of AM5 and all of whatever that weird blue guy has been frantically attempting to cook up for the past 7 years.

[@lorsch.]

Yes and my 5090 will cry about it.

[@Matti6950]

My 7950x3d feels like it will last 7 years and still be insane fast then :D Hell the Zen 6 10950x3d doenst feel tempting anymore as upgrade :o for me 5800x3d didnt make sense (wanted more cores) and some motherboards where quited dated, same with RAM, i waited until motherboard, ram and cpu had a decent discount, and free game. No regrets, especially with this unimpressive successors. And unlike almost all current cpu's, (especially 16 core cpu's), it is power efficient. Imo 7950x3d is underrated, it's not top of chart at most things, but it's top 3-10 at most other things, even the 7800x3d fails that, in blender type stuff. Or 14900k/7950x in power efficiency, or in gaming (285k). Especially with 7800x3d (and probably 9800x3d) price hike, i think people should strongly consider 7950x3d if they do more then gaming, it was 514€!!! on amazon prime day (630 otherwise). For the low extra price over 7800x3d, the whole price to performance 'anti 7950x3d' argument gets minimized quickly. In fact for productivity it is better price/performance then 7800x3d now.

[@N4CR]

@@Matti6950 I upgraded from a 2600k late last year. My 7800x3d will probably get similar lifetime if I need to lol.

[@artur9782]

Kids playing games at 1080p are happy xd

[@ProbablyNotAChicken]

@@artur9782 going from 2600 to 5800X3D gave me noticeable frame boosts at 4k

[@PeteTheL337]

Man the 5800X3D has to be the best purchase I've done. My AM4 platform is still blazing along at neck breaking speeds when it is used for gaming. Gotta be the most value I've ever gotten out of a platform without even sacrificing on performance.

[@motopanda3741]

and people thought the amd 9000 launch was disappointing at least they managed to preform the same as or better than their last gen counterparts...

[@KartKing4ever]

I'm glad I chose to do a 7800X3D build two weeks ago rather than wait for Arrow Lake. Boy, how the mighty have fallen.

[@n.d.n.e1805]

How have the mighty have fallen? Wow a stepping stone generation is not as good as a full-blown generation and the 15 gen can't even use intel new fabs yet since they aren't done being built yet so the mighty haven't fallen we just have to see how

[@theobserver4214]

@@n.d.n.e1805the mighty have fallen because in Skylake era Intel was on top of the world, and Coffee Lake was still better in many ways but more expensive. Ever since Coffee Lake Refresh it’s been nothing but downhill.

[@AKK5I]

​@@n.d.n.e1805cope

[@briankarcher8338]

@@n.d.n.e1805 The Core 285K got stomped on by a CPU that's like four years old.

[@n.d.n.e1805]

@@briankarcher8338What does that have to do with any of the points I made? Also, we still have to see 16 gen since we don't know what Intel can do with its new fabs yet. Also, 16 gen will use intel take on 3d cache.

[@EhNothing]

This. This right here is why I trust GN above all other outlets. Thanks so much!

[@ptking006]

The whole f1 section for performance is just gold. Best segment in any video you've put out.

[@arthurbesnard1536]

I'm impressed by the 5700X3D

[@ukemix8848]

and only for $140 on AE

[@1992Latvian]

Just got it, real nice option if you are on AM4

[@Teletha]

Waiting for 9950x3d

[@adiohead]

Waiting for 11800X3D or 11950X3D

[@shiftey8]

DnD referrence in my CPU review?! I am all for it!

[@NIKENKO]

Im a lifelong intel fan, due for a cpu upgrage, i was waiting for this review, and that's it, ill be ordering 9800x3d as soon as it comes out.

[@FO0TMinecraftPVP]

INTEL IS STILL BETTER THAN AMD STAY WITH INTEL!

[@Jobocan.]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP That's dumb.

[@ruxandy]

@@FO0TMinecraftPVP, leave them drugs alone, buddy!

[@alisg765]

hey look, it's User Benchmark!

[@Aquaquake]

>implying you'll order 9800x3D regardless of reviews and without even knowing a price I'll press (x) on that "lifelong intel fan" part

[@NegitoroIsBestShip]

1:09 Steve pulled a "We're gonna test that" Something tells me a collab between GN and PF would create a data singularity.

[@tee_es_bee]

Golden standard in hardware testing, excellent job! 🧡💛🧡

[@docholiday6964]

Y'all are the best for hard data every... Single... Time...

[@zenosfire]

Holy smokes the 5800x3d really just keeps showing how awesome of a part it is in comparison to everything else

[@JohnHoggard_aka_DaddyHoggy]

Fantastic review. Have really been looking forward to this review and it did not disappoint. Also, having just built a 5700X3D based rig (to replace my old i7-4770 based system), I am so pleased to see it high in the gaming charts, mostly beating these new Intel CPUs (for a fraction of the cost).

[@Daniel-zy1ir]

Love the red/white numbers on top of the lines in the performance graphs instead of them being only white and in the background - much more readable and clean now

[@alexmannen1991]

i love the fact u have powerdraw in brackets next to results

[@OptimizingNetwork]

Thank you so much for including frame to frame latency into the charts I remember sending that request in the email a while back, and I can't say I am the sole reason for bringing that into the chart, but I am very thankful personally for adding frame to frame latency talk and spacing between the spikes on the graph. It's imperative to overall feel of the games, and I watch my frame to frame latency intervals meticulously because of it. I can't remember running any games without overlay now because of it. Frame to frame latency really tells a bigger story, and bad frame to frame spikes usually result in huge 0.1% drops that also impact 1% lows, so they are parallel to each other and give you an understanding if your 300+ FPS average game actually feels like 300+ average game. As better frame to frame latency can impact the feel so much that 140 fps with better frame to frame latency will feel more responsive compared to 300 fps one with higher spikes. Thank you, Gamers Nexus you guys incorporated something super important for gaming. Keep expanding on it, as it truly tells a bigger picture of how GPUs and CPUs respond in games in conjunctions with each other. CPUs really impact GPUs ability to maintain that frame to frame.

[@Hostilenemy]

I used to be a benchmarker like you, till I took an Arrow Lake to the knee.

[@elfo7]

What's wrong with Intel? How the tables have turned...

[@squeezemaster1064]

INDEED...I;m content with AMD

[@xquang2863]

Table hasn't been turned in gaming cuz the 7800x3d is too fokin' strong.

[@christophermullins7163]

How turned the tables have turn-tabled.

[@elfo7]

@@xquang2863 I am talking about eras, I grew up watching Intel dominate AMD for a long time, now it is the opposite, hence my comment.

[@Suicidemoon220]

Ya crazy....kinda seen it coming since at least 7nm was going to be next year...then the next year....and you only need 4 cores era...

[@lubossoltes321]

And people cried how AMD fumbled Zen5 ... take it away Intel !!!

[@n.d.n.e1805]

How is Arrow Lake a fumble? It's a test generation that can't even utilize Intel's new fabs yet, since they aren't online. Because of this, they couldn't manufacture the CPU themselves, and as a result, they aren't able to use their best technology yet.

[@krykry606]

Love the efficiency benchmarking. Especially appreciate it with the high electricity prices that plague Europe.

[@BuildsByEli]

Wow…AM4 is simply goated.

[@wotertool]

The new CPU highlight bar colours are great! Your effort to troubleshoot APO for F1 2024 is appreciated ... especially for the comments we got!

[@dethskullcrusher]

34:18 The new naming scheme makes sense now! 285 K means that the old i7's are 285$ cheaper (280 ATM but the small difference in price will go up with taxes) Thanks Intel!

[@Whalerguy]

Daily reminder that 5800X3D is still GOAT.

[@tramapolean]

Fascinating! Results are very interesting (and disappointing) but the effort required to peek behind the power curtain is truly impressive! Great review and top effort!

[@Torsin2000]

I love how Newegg has the cpu by itself out of stock, couldn't pre-order it either, but then had mobo bundles available.

[@dimancor2925]

Let's hope Intel doesn't get lost, and that AMD doesn't become a monopolist.

[@alexanderprofit5232]

They didn't. Because amd are masters of failing in their opportunities.

[@tringuyen7519]

@@alexanderprofit5232Intel’s Ultra 285K launch makes the AMD Zen 5 launch look flawless!

[@TheGhoulKhz]

AMD lost their chance to become what intel were in the early 2010s with the Zen 5% uplift in performance, they literally suffer from the success of their AM4 lineup up to this day

[@ploed]

There is a long way for AMD to be monopolist.

[@aerosw1ft]

They won't, as long as "AMD's biggest competition is AMD" is still true

[@spkay31]

Great video Steve. Holding mfger's feet to the fire like always! Listen to you at 1.2x speed it sounds like you're referring to this as ErrorLake - hahaha. What do you call that, serendipitous slippitus?

[@kboussa]

My comment under HUB video was : 'The price totally makes sense. I mean, travelling back in time must have a cost'. I wish I've watched and commented your video first. It's best suited here. Shit.

[@Edward351]

😄

[@Nova-dx8hz]

Always love it when you randomly hint towards your vast D&D knowledge!

[@yashkoli7675]

am4 is still beating in many scenarios. What a 🐐 platform.👑

[@XBravo1CharlieX]

I'm really excited to see what 9800x3d will look like with how great the 7800x3d has been

[@John-PaulHunt-q3z]

No more price drops now. AMD has won the CPU wars.

[@familhagaudir8561]

I wish they surprise us, but all recent releases are meh.

[@apoclypse]

I was able to get the 7800X3D at $345 in August. It's crazy how beastly it is when it comes to gaming.

[@FrenziedManbeast]

Thank for your beta testing efforts on this prototype CPU. Maybe in 12 months it will be market-ready.

[@evilpotatoman9436]

poor intel, by then AMD would have launched 2 more gens of cpus that are faster!

[@darkkingastos4369]

5600x3d stomping the Top Intel cpu in 2024. What a friggin joke Intel has become

[@MrLjdude7]

A 2020 CPU LOL

[@kevinjamesmith]

Better fire some more people smh

[@artur9782]

wow 3d cpu stomping not 3d cpu in games, unreal. U must have iq of 50?

[@artur9782]

Wow 3d cpu stomping non 3d cpu, unreal. U got 50 iq?

[@leeloodog]

thank you for productivity benchs; it's the main thing I care about at this point. I'm only saying this so you get a sense of the impact it has.

[@johnmcclane4430]

285K is listed at 680 EUR which converts to 735 dollars. Not exactly a good value here in Europe considering competitors like the 7800x3d are 25% cheaper (490 EUR/530 USD) even the 14900k is 500 EUR/540USD. Wonder how they're going to sell this.

[@photographe06]

They are not going to sell it at all. At least not after you watch this review!

[@totalermist]

Prices are all over the place - I see it listed for 620€, which is $563 w/o tax ( *net* prices in the US, remember!) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@LL-lu6hr]

490 for the 7800x3d is insane. I bought it at 365 with Avatar included.

[@totalermist]

@@LL-lu6hr it's not even available anymore in my country - like at all.

[@johnmcclane4430]

@@totalermist Fair, forgot that Americans use pre-tax pricing in advertisements.

[@puciohenzap891]

Dead on arrival, 9800X3D will rip it apart even more than the 7800X3D.

[@PersonSuit]

Great job as always

[@ippothedestroyer]

nice to see my 5800x3d still scoring pretty well.

[@eldritchfrog]

The more CPU videos I watch on this channel the luckier I feel that I picked the 7800X3D before knowing anything about it. What is intel even doing

[@familhagaudir8561]

Giving millions in pay raises to its CEO as its 13th and 14th chips rust from the inside-out while laying-off their employees.

[@akhnenaton]

I like the direction Intel is going. I'm sure the next generation following this one will improve even more.

[@stauntssantana]

0:42 I can already see user benchmark unironically claiming these CPUs are actually the most efficient CPUs ever made and gamers nexus is doing what they're doing and fudging the results in their favour.

[@jabronilifestyle]

You convinced me, I'm buying a 285k now! Just kidding I bought a 9950x.

[@deepbludreams]

Your prediction was correct, its the fastest CPU on their site, somehow in their testing beating not only the 9950X in multicore by over 30% but also beating the 7800X3D in gaming by over 50%

[@jabronilifestyle]

@@deepbludreams that does it. I'm selling my brand new 9950x and buying a 285k

[@Somebody374-bv8cd]

Apparently it's not only triple A titles that release in a beta state, CPUs are releasing in a beta state now too.

[@chrisblack6258]

To be fair, it seems to be a big architectural change this time. It's not the first time a messy launch accompany these occasions

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@chrisblack6258 You'd figure they'd learn from past mistakes, though.

[@you2be839]

Another product that isn't supposed to be purchased within its 1st year after release!...

[@n.d.n.e1805]

​@@theKashConnoisseur They can't use their new fabs to manufacture CPUs because those fabs are not operational yet. They couldn't utilize their older technology, as that would mean reverting to the 14th generation. As a result, they had to rely on TSMC. The main reason this generation is disappointing is that they are unable to use their new fabs at this time.

[@vishnushankartripathi450]

after watching multiples reviews by far this is the best. thanks for the amazing explanation steve.

[@auxityne]

The 5800X3D might be the most legendary CPU ever made at this rate.

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

As long as you don't launch anything but games

[@spookyskellyskeleton609]

​@@CyberneticArgumentCreator wdym anything but games lol you think it'll die when you launch the browser or run vscode for some coding 😂😂😂. Intel shills be beyond dumb

[@odysseyYT647]

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator Lol wut? What a braindead comment to make.

[@nipa5961]

It already is.

[@ypsilondaone]

The i5 2400 was also a pretty legendary CPU.

[@danielainger]

These videos make me appreciate my 5800x3D even more.

[@n.d.n.e1805]

Why?

[@Jakeyythetr]

When are these companies going to realize that rushing a product out the door is worse for your reputation that taking a few more days or weeks to release a well tested and sound product. This rushing out the door method is already heavily present in the gaming industry and now CPUs.

[@indrahaseo]

but it has 3-5% less performance compared to last generations CPU due to +50% efficient power in order to stay stability lol 😂 Ryzen 7 7800X3D is already WIN this years

[@john066]

WOW 5800x3d is near the top of the gaming charts.... did the new windows updates really help that much?