Games workshop hates your creativity.

[@ForestGoblinJo]

Justice for Vostoryan firstborn. They didn't deserve this treatment.

[@yebois_8036]

there is only 3 guard regiments in the whole galaxy and ultrmarines and have been back at legion strength since 4th edition change my mind

[@dominicgibson3010]

I mean given the "primaris" marines, they had 9 legions worth of marines hidden in stasis chambers for 10000 years if Mary Sue Cawl's lore is to be believed

[@DominatorLegend]

I'm shocked Catachans actually survived.

[@flatheadgg2443]

Gotta get rid of those leftovers somehow.

[@sidewinder3694]

They will get a new range with Hella butch lesbo sculpts mark my words

[@pokeslasher]

I mean if they can survive catachan, they can survive England

[@SirMeowingCat]

they have a female book about them so they safe

[@gregbajer8164]

I suppose that our grandchildren will be playing with the same old catachan models that are available now.

[@dopeskone]

Customer: You hate me, don't you? GW: If I thought about you at all, I probably would.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

GW: we love your money, now cough up the dough paypig

[@zielisawzielony9366]

Astra Miliwahatnow? You`re in the Guard, son.

[@gregbajer8164]

To be honest, before they announced Krieg models I expected them to make it entirely Cadia army. They kept Attilan rough riders and scions but dropped generic guard rules and other regiments, GW at its finest.

[@itsallpointless6501]

Don't apologise for the rant dude, your just saying what we're thinking

[@RobotCrafter1]

That's a shame, the Guard had many things going for them but the vast amount of creativity for a regiment is what really stood out to me.

[@Gorbz]

Poor Attillans, they only get to be a cav choice and not their own army now.

[@dinudinu2949]

9:50 "Imagine if they did this to marine". They already did and is called Primaris.

[@crushingcrusader736]

I mean not really, you can still customise primaris plenty and you aren't locked out of using other chapters when you use them. It would be if when primaris came out they said "you can only play as an Ultramarine, Blood Angel, or Imperial Fist battle group", but they didn't

[@BreakfastwithBando]

i see your point but more accurately it would be like deleting codex space marines and leaving the BA,DA,BTs etc

[@sirderik]

eh kinda but no.... so i played space wolfs and yes for them primaries sucks.... but in honesty if you read the detachements for 10th, if you are a space marine you get to keep whats makes you you... essentially... sure sure you don't have a name, rules for subfactions, basically are you a salamander pick the mechanised detachment that obsessed with flamers who never says its for you but its a mechanised detachment with flamers and forge theme, its pretty laid on thick....but again that's temporary. 11th edition they probably make it so your either ultramarine, wolf , blood or dark angle....than they trim that down even more

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

I bet GW really wants to forget Praetorian guard exist, what with who they're trying to appeal to nowadays

[@einrauser6103]

Man. I am not even English and I freaking love theme Praetorian Guard. Miss those loveable colonial bastards.

[@reinhardtc.p]

This hobby is turning into a monopose overpriced plastic shitfest. Edit: hell,even if i wanted i can't purchase shit. For 3 months i've been waiting for hh dark angels stuff to be back in stock.

[@oooooooooops]

Honestly i dread the day when they come for 30k

[@jipowap]

Well congratulations, rumor has it femstodes coming to 30K. Not joking.

[@BjornGrimmlok]

Don't jinx me. If that happens, I'll just play a precious edition

[@bowler9785]

I genuinely despise this box locking nonsense they're going with. Utterly stupid that I can't take duplicates of weapons and the unit numbers are locked, and this free equipment thing is pathetic and lazy. The whole hobby is becoming soulless and sanitised, from the rules to the models to the lore and it's a disgrace. They can't even hire a team to write decent rules ffs. "Balancing fliers is hard work so let's not bother and just raise the points".

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

I haven't felt "in" Warhammer for nearly a year now, i look at it now and i don't recognise it, I've even resorted to buying old stuff off ebay because i can't stand the new stuff. I'm using my old savlar chemdogs in games of Xenos Rampant, its a completely different style of game but the rules are flexible enough to use for most units, where rules are lacking is perhaps vehicles but its pretty fun how open it is

[@johnsupergeil7098]

Same, I've been running 3rd party Vostroyan Firstborn still in 9th edition, and I've been working out how to kitbish a Harakoni Warhawks killteam

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

@johnsupergeil7098 I always wanted to start a Vostroyan guard when I was a kid, but I never had enough money. I'd wanted to paint them in the typical King's guards colours outside Buckingham palace, they're definitely one of those cooler imperial guard regiments

[@katamariroller2837]

@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 Krieg´s atonement theme, but actually cool.

[@ShadowdragonYamiryu]

I feel the same, OPR has become my game of choice and it's gotten me to be more creative and work on my Blood Angels. It's definitely been fun converting, 3D printing and picking up older models for my army. I've wanted to try the Rampant games, those look pretty fun.

[@Surfishin5]

This is so on point, the passion and lore are dying while competitive cringelords rant about win rates

[@omegamark9178]

exactly,i cannot begin to give a crap about the tournament play

[@APremiumDegenerate]

‘No one wants 20 year old models’ lol I’m over here buying rogue trader and 2nd edition models. old hammer all the way

[@BreakfastwithBando]

tbh yeah, i meant newer players. plenty of us DO want older minis XD

[@drakeushellblade1786]

old mini are superior change my mind.

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

@@drakeushellblade1786 I love the oldhammer look, but putting together newer models does feel better. The only W new models have.

[@crushingcrusader736]

​@@drakeushellblade1786I mean I can't change your mind, nostalgia is a strong and soothing emotion, but I can say that the new models are to scale, have better more dynamic poses, with better detail and better proportions. I do think many of the designs are weaker and more generic, lacking personality, but they are undeniably better in quality. I only buy them still if it's from my local store, which isn't a GW store, so I can support that store

[@jonathancooper4914]

@@hauntorthegiraffebiscuitI can’t say I miss how fiddly putting together, supergluing and pinning old models was. I miss the personality of old stuff though.

[@RotnDot]

I lovingly converted and customized my Guard regiment, the 275th Highlanders. For example, they got increasingly bigger hats depending on seniority. Conscripts get no hat, regular troops get Balmoral hats, and veteran troops get bearskins. I am bloody proud of my army, how it's converted, painted, organized. The last couple of years, GW made conscripts obsolete, veterans obsolete, now infantry squads that have there since day 1, Yarrick, Straken, Harker, Creed, Kjell. No, I won't be using my conscripts or veterans as regular infantry. That's not the canon of my army. That's not how they're modelled. No, I won't be taking dedicated heavy weapon teams. I didn't before, I won't do it now. No, I won't be buying any Krieg. I don't collect Krieg, nor do I intend to. Where's the hobby that applauded and encouraged creativity and spectacular conversions? Where they were actually featured in White Dwarf? If GW doesn't want me to use the models I already have, fine, I won't use them. But I won't be buying any new ones either.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

they sound great its such a pity when creativity gets squashed.

[@TheAlterspark]

Couldn't have said it better myself; GW doesn't want options because options mean more work for balance. People just need to play One Page Rules or mini agnostic systems

[@hangarrat]

OPR is great.

[@IVIaskerade]

Soon 40k will play itself, with no need for any input. You build the models according to the instructions with no deviation, then you paint them according to an official GW paint guide, then you play them according to the Battleplan™ which tells you how the game goes.

[@hangarrat]

@ This is sad but probably true!

[@lynchpaints]

It sucks how they're diluting it down to a simple grey sludge, but at least we can still play the older editions

[@habibishapur]

They dont want people modifying and kitbashing thwir minis. Next you know they might think of scratchbuilding something instead of buying it.

this is easy stop buy their products then they will come on their knees to the people

[@DarkCT]

2:11 so they shrank the rulesets available to the point theres basically only 3, and I love how each one are planets that are either gone, or horrific to inhabit. Mordians? Tallarn? Steel Legion? any number of the long lost ones from forgeworld? not even a build your own available. will they still have tempestus rules? do the sisters still have all their subfactions, or were they taken out back too? is Argent shroud gone yet? I wonder how much they are gonna make this cost. agreed Bando, the souls gone. I long since was tired of GW for other reasons, myself.

[@zielisawzielony9366]

Youp, fixed list are coming. its way easier to balance so tournament paypigs can oink in pleasure and give them more cash for less work. I wonder when they remove dice rolls?

[@knightofyourlife]

The players were taken out of their own hobby and rebranded as the GW hobby at the beginning of the 1990s. Now GW is just wiping away the last vestiges of your individuality. So f**k it, Just go rogue, start writing your own rules and use third party miniatures.

[@brycemcewen6146]

Meanwhile wargames Atlantic brings out excellent plastic kits that cover those regiments that GW hates now

[@taz31999]

GW doesn't want to share the profit with online shop specialized in guard regiment like Victoria Miniature or Anvil Industry I guess. Oh well, I will continue to not buy their garbage codices and continue to collect guards by using older rule set.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

if you only way of beating your competition is damaging your own product then you will always end up suffering more. GW could release a banging codex, drop plastic kits for all the regiments and go heavy on guard articles on warcom and white dwarf etc and people would stick with GW>

[@Matt-FRESHMINTY]

The Kasrkin models would have been a good chance to introduce a 2nd Cadian colour scheme. Kill Team kits usually use an alt scheme but the Kasrkin were still 8th on the box.

[@springheeledjackofthegurdi2117]

people said I was crazy, I called this a few years ago, I hate being right

[@morgymomo8535]

Couldn't agree more, GW has really lost its passion, as players we need to unify and get somebody else to produce rules for us. we need somebody to produce easy simple rules with lots of depth for free, we need to stop buying gw codexs. The issue is getting everyone to play the same rule set.

[@ironxYT]

There are different rule sets out there. Fan made. Check out Alternate 40K Rules, GrimD10 and Prohammer.

[@brastionskywarrior6951]

GW does listen to the community. Weve got shovel memes the faction, squats are back, darkmech have multiple official releases (outside of 40k) Its just they listen where it will get people to buy new armies. Although it has been nice to see them finally refreshing ranges like nids and eldar

[@sigmatus303]

Im lucky i still have my old guard Codices. Give us new plastic Mordians, Vallhalans, Tanith, Praetorians, Vostroyans, Steel Legion... I'm Working on a custom regiment based on Australians using older rules.

[@Flamethrower1942]

The corporate meeting they had when renaming The imperial Guard and Eldar must have been pure cringe. You can tell the name changes haven't come from anyone with any hobby passion.

[@lordnovas]

Bando is right. A big part of the Warhammer mystique was adding your own mystique. Nothing says that you can't do that but GW is not encouraging it, which is a real shame because learning about the different Regiments like the 180th Stalking Tigers or the Firedrakes are important beats of knowledge that get people into the world of 40k.

[@spnked9516]

Fantasy was the canary in the coal mine that most 40k fans were all too happy to ignore. GW was content to simply axe the IP that literally built them - along with any fans of it-, so why on God's green earth would anyone expect them to treat any of their other IPs or fan bases with a single ounce of respect. When Fantasy died, Warhammer (along with every other GW IP) became little more than a disposable product, void of any legacy or meaning outside of a quarterly earnings report.

[@marnix1579]

The fact that the Armageddon Steel Legion isn’t represented is crazy.

[@skree272]

Yep, i have a bunch of them which i already got kicked out of a gw store for having "non-gw krieg" this was like 3 years ago

[@hauntorthegiraffebiscuit]

Deemed “Too Cool For Cannon”. Shame, really.

[@marnix1579]

Especially considering Helsreach is the book that got me into WH literature.

[@naiveanon684]

A relentless churn and burn of low effort, no depth or flavor, product at top dollar price.

[@Sigil_Firebrand]

Ain't late stage capitalism great?

[@sigmatus303]

You're in the Guard now son!

[@Ceiling_Gato]

I think it was in the first Minka Lesk novel which is fairly recent, there's a passage where Munitorum analysts predict that Cadians will cease to exist as autonomous fighting force within 15 years since the fall

[@MarioMario-uy2my]

I wonder if its to try and combat against 3rd party retailers like victoria miniatures who pickedbup the slack for the othee regiments like savlar chemdogs, praetorians and mordians

[@EmonWBKstudios]

Just another reason I love 3d printing, I can make almost whatever I want if I have the files to make my own weird kitbashes, especially if I don't like a model they've made, I can make my own thing, or scan around for something someone's made that I think looks cooler and is more to my taste! I don't have to settle for what GW has offered, I can play around and do MY thing, MY way.

[@Inquisitor_Lelouch]

Wtf?! In 9th they introduced the whole, "Build a regiment" rules for guard instead of sub faction rules. In 10th every other army seemed to go that way as well. Now they're doing a 180° and are back to being sub faction again?!

[@Gorbz]

I have an ad-hoc Guard regiment, pulled from several different worlds. Now, apparently, they do not exist. All those people selling alternative guard models can get screwed, I guess.

[@JDSG360]

Im with u Bando, my love for 40k has tanked recently, im just not as interested in it anymore. Got a backlog of models that need to be built but now i dont know if i can make myself work on them.

[@TheNellop]

Not surprised, GW has been min maxing for a long time in before the infamous 8th edition, they made it clear for "warhammer is for everyone post" they will do what ever they see fit (and more ).They will dry the sponge as much as possible until there's nothing. 3rd edition was about big wars side comparison like Dawn of war and after that at least from 5th and after it started to shrink where it slowly became skirmish battles that no one asked for.

[@Shiro.1291]

i hate the new krieg release (as a krieg player), as they bastardiced the combat engineers and grenadiers into one ugly unit (dont know what the hoover does in that unit too) The death riders have lasguns now i guess? Wtf, they look like a rough rider reskin now. They sent old Krieg units like the Centaur and Grenadiers into legends^, while these complete F**KS in GW skulpt new Death Korps Units for a new release? Why not release the old design in plastic you may ask? BECAUSE IT WOULD CREATE LESS HYPE FOR NOT KRIEG FANS. I thought i can just proxy my OLD and super EXPENSIVE units that i bought from forgeworld before, but fuck me i guess. im not part of the death korps of krieg anymore. there is NO reason at all for changing the death korps`s design so drasticly. F**k Games Workshop. Im now in OPR. Im so done.

[@damnationdan5253]

shut up and consume more mid minis

[@thescotsman2071]

Hate to say it but you've hit the nail on the head again m8, i don't want the future of the hobby to be one size fits all but it seems GW doesn't want that uniqueness that brought so many of us to the universe in the first place. Instead they want safe, e-sports friendly, cookie cutter and boring. You can see it getting worse and worse with every rule change, update and sometimes even model releases. Very worried for the emperor's children release this year, Fulgrim looks great but i hope they don't mess up the rules.

[@gaborboth3602]

What's weird is that AoS 4, thanksfully, went in the other direction. Instead of giving you a handful of named subfactions from the lore to model your army after (which typically includes a color scheme you're most likely ignoring as well) they finally went into battle formations, more like army types than presets. It's more freedom now than before.

[@aldraone-mu5yg]

Persnally I find minitures, colour schemes and army compensation more important than rules

[@DarkKnightCuron]

Thanks for the video! That moment when Space Marines have more variation and styles of play than the Imperial Guard LOL. I have the 3.5th edition of Imperial Guard, and the 3rd edition Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters codexes. Thats more than enough for me to make my Rogue Trader, retinue, and personal forces to travel the galaxy in search of the unknown, the weird, the strange, the enemy, and MONEY.

[@rutgaurxi7314]

Based. For me, 2nd Edition.

[@Tosicc567]

nah this is actually wild, they are just straight up killing any sort of non generic mainstream lore off. If the newbies shouting basic memes dont know about it then its not worth keeping in the tabletop game I guess

[@IVIaskerade]

GW keeps moving closer to "just play what's in the box, as directed" and that's not what the game is about.

[@thekilleroffatcows4963]

why cant we just proxy our custom regiments??

[@BreakfastwithBando]

you can but they must be represented by the big 3 now, no generic ones left.

[@thekilleroffatcows4963]

@@BreakfastwithBando correct me if im wrong, but the cadian command squad will be getting the old rule the infantry unit had, maybe the only thing we wont be able to do is mixing heavy weapons with light infantry. But even then, whats the difference if youre only borrowing the rules from their datasheet and not their physical looks? even the detachments are called "Siege regiment" "Hammer of the Emperor" and "Recon element" not Death korps of krieg, Tallarn desert riders and Tanith first and only

[@jonathancooper4914]

‘Do your Mordians have more in common with Cadia or Kreig’ is so insulting to my intelligence. Losing heavy weapons in line infantry is something I can adapt to, but not being allowed to field the army I want is taking one liberty too many. I’m turning to one page rules (OPR).

[@derekmcmanus8615]

I'm old enough to remember when it was the Imperial Army

[@chikhai]

Remember guys; iT's YoUr HoBbY!

[@ChivalrousBreeze]

Considering where LOTR has been in terms of popular culture (RoP and that anime movie), LOTR is not looking good

[@tiny_worlds]

Sounds similar to what they've done with LotR. Remove choice and make (practically) all the forces cookie-cutter lists. They've made dozens of models and some entire armies completely useless in the new edition.

[@acidnine3692]

didnt they make a HUGE song and dance when the 9th ed guard codex came out on how you can and should make your own custom guard army?

[@Erikjust]

i still buy GW miniatures... just not the official kinds of minis. I buy recast. Sure they will get there later and yes Resin isn´t plastic and plastic is easier to work with. But fuck GW, i will NOT support them in anyways not absolutely needed (as in nephew wants GW minis) until they do the following things. 1: Officially declare femstodes none canon and swears they will never EVER return. 2: Lower their bloody prices. 3: Goes away from the whole monopose models, tactical rocks and make it possible to actually pose the models. 4: Fixes the game so it fun again. Until them recasters will get my money.

[@Kenneth-k3b]

This highlights the biggest problem I have with the game. Your dudes are no longer yours

[@TheTobaccoman]

It’s pretty crap that generic stuff is gone , only bright side is it hints at new catachan models down the road.

[@Ayahuasca98]

I moved on to bloodbowl recently. Never felt better.

[@amosblake3478]

I really like the old rules for guard, and i miss the desert raiders.

[@funbro99]

*looks at the valhallan list I have of my homebrew guard* *Sees gw sink all my infantry squads with heavy weapon teams to simulate a ww2 doctrine for fluff, this includes shoving a mortar squad in the plat-command since you cant run singular heavy wep team.* We just cant win, its all cadian command squads. We now funnily enough cant run command blobs as neither krieg or catachans have a command squad. You wanna know what had it? Cadians and generic platoon command squads. Granted we now seem to have neat rules but I would not sacrifice the creativity to get gamerules but it seems no other regiments aside from 3 flavors exist.

[@zep5229]

Wargames Atlantic for more unique Guard sculpts - not so subtle plug

[@deleonfrancis60]

steel legion where

[@flatheadgg2443]

Gotta do it the old way of just painting your kriegers brown. Funny how that one came full circle ngl.

[@Sigil_Firebrand]

I have every intention to 3d print everything from now on, and play older editions of the game, the camaraderie and the fun is still there with the old guards of the hobby, or with 3rd party rules, but theres no future from GWs official everything.

[@drakeushellblade1786]

spit straight facts here bro. I said it before but the only good kit they have made in a long while was the berzerkers. I would love to play 3rd edition, more flavor and customization even with those optional rule for homemade tanks not to mention Chaos 3.5.

[@davidmills6203]

i was so excited when new kreig were announced. then I saw them. I rage bought 3D prints of deathriders, complete with actual horses hoofs.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

based :D although they arent horses technically even the FW ones dont have hooves.

[@davidmills6203]

@@BreakfastwithBando hmmm i never thought they were something else. eitherway, the prints are gorgeous! and thanks for the video, new sub!

[@Arceolis]

Saw this yesterday, looked at my Vostroyans army with the triple las cannon platoons, and huffed. They are Vostroyans not boring Cadians, roided muscle men, or death worshippers. They are the FIRST BORN! The master crafted hammer of the Emperor. FFS 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Bartsman123]

I have not played a game of 40k yet, though i have been in the hobby for about 5 years, and i collect majority guard. I collect littally all regiments, and i want to play them all at the same time, and not just ome specific one

[@faceeater4382]

this is why i jumped ship to opr you can make what ever dump list you want

[@faux5191]

i wouldnt be surprised this is to force sell you new regement rules books later, when their sales are drying up..

[@theRemyLuna]

I'm honestly just so confused. If you give people the option to kitbash then those same people would buy MULTIPLE sets of the same thing just to make unique units. I truly can't understand the goals of those running GW

[@BreakfastwithBando]

money, line must go up always.

[@jacobcarlson8576]

Your "rant" got you a subscriber my friend. I agree with your points especially about the guard release.

[@MarshallWalls-hq9fk]

GW has turned completely toxic and only way of showing them that is to stop buying their products.

[@DeadGoldfish01]

So I've been a fan of 40K for awhile, but a fan through the stories, books and lore. I've only recently got into the tabletop game back in June of last year. I'll say that I've enjoyed the game for the most part and I got the hang of it real quick! But, I can't say that I'm satisfied with the game. I went into the game thinking that there would be rules for all of the different sub-factions in 40K, which there are rules, but no where near the depth that I thought it would be. I play Iron Warriors, weakness is a choice, and going into 10th ed I thought the IWs detachment was going to be artillery and gun focused, but nah, we're just tanky. And as a new player I asked, "Is that it?". I played in an escalation league with my army and with that detachment, I had fun, but it just wasn't what I was looking for. I wanted my battles to tell a story and not to be "just a game". I thought the rules would be built for that, but nah. However, I learned about CRUSADE! And I've been working on setting up a crusade all the way back into September. And while I've been looking for unique missions, upgrades, etc, I looked into 9th ed. I found the IWs rules and I was shocked. There's so much stuff! Missions! Relics! Agendas! I was saying to myself, "Why take all of this cool stuff out in 10th?!" So I, and my play group, have reached into the older editions to pull cool stuff into our crusade! We start our crusade in 10 days and I'll tell ya, I'm super pumped! Getting to do your own thing in a narrative is the best. To me, this is what 40k is all about.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

i strongly recommend finding a copy of the 3rd ed chaos codex and having a look at that. Its widely regarded as one of the best codexs ever not just chaos codex. IW could take basilsks and vindicators and could trade fast attack slots for extra heavy support slots it was great.

[@DeadGoldfish01]

Awesome! I’ll definitely take a look at 3rd edition! Btw, can I get an invite to the discord you’ve mentioned?

[@BreakfastwithBando]

@@DeadGoldfish01 discord.gg/eEHMfRMW if this link doesnt work just drop a separate comment after 6pm GMT and il generate one when i can get to discord at home.

[@nicofolkersma2535]

The shareholders don't do this, they don't care about the rules as long as the money flows. I think it's pandering to the tournament players as they are the only ones buying all the rules and models to have the best armies. By reducing the guard tojust 3 choices, it makes it easier to anticipate what your opponent will bring. My group stopped at 8th edition and we're only playing the old editions. And the old gang, you know, the ones with a heart for the game and the hobbyists,they went to Warlord Games.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Tournament play ruined the entire hobby in my area years ago

[@BreakfastwithBando]

the two are directly linked. Shareholders want profit, tourney players are the most cost to profit rich group.

[@nealpartin5899]

Stop feeding the shareholders

[@SirMeowingCat]

3.0 30k, they making even more restrictive than 11th ed 40k with cucktode female mini coming out in June - lgbtq+ month *allegedly*

[@LordOfTheGoobers]

I was going to buy the eldar models on release but they've completely lost my faith as a consumer. 10th edtition has been absolute slop in terms of rules. Everyone has an attack keyword for an ability or some kind of objective rule (sticky or damage boost) to the point where most armies look the same rules wise. The heresy thursday reveals have been nice with the impending new edition and price increases they just wont be worth it though.

[@cal2814]

Not surprised how else are they going to get you to buy new models. But there should be generic rules, I bailed after primaris, never looked back.

[@tonlito22]

This update makes me angry. I am now going to type for several minutes on why this is a bad update. By narrowing down the possible ways to play Imperial Guard it creates a natural dislike for the three chosen factions among both Guard players who played different regiments, be they with actual models or simply by the rules. Now the Cadians, Catachans, and Death Korps aren't just the lucky factions GW love, they're also the reason you don't get rules let alone new models. Further, fans of the many many books about non Cadian, Catachan, and Death Korps regiments who may be thinking of making the Imperial Guard their next army of choice, will be put off by the lack of ability to not only play their heroes, but even to make an army similar to their heroes. So GW is failing to properly monetize fans of Gaunts Ghosts, Caiaphas Cain, or Grimaldus. By narrowing the regiments down to three broad categories, GW also weakens the identity of the Cadians, Catachans, and the Death Korps of Krieg by causing them to be spread rather thin on the tabletop. If the Cadians have to now represent themselves, Elysian Drop Troops, Jopallan Indentured, Armageddon Steel Legion, Harkoni Warhawks, Royal Volpone, Gudrunite Rifles, and Brimlock Dragoons, this weakens their identity as a faction of survivors rebuilding off of scraps to plant an Imperial flag up Zeke Abaddon's ass. If the Catachans now have to represent themselves, the Tanith First and Only, Armageddon Ork and now Daemon Hunters I Guess, Kanak Headtakers, Asgard Rangers, and Salvar Chemdogs, it weakens their identity as the toughest, near abhuman survivors of the nastiest deathworld in the Galaxy Crocodile Dundee Rambo Contra. If the Death Korps of Krieg have to now represent themselves, the Valhallan Ice Warriors, Mordian Iron Guard, Roane Deepers, Narminian Armoured, Fancho, Vitrian Dragoons, Maccabian Jannisaries, and the damn Praetorians, it sure as shit weakens their identity as post apocalyptic harshly disciplined soldiers with a religious determination to kill the Emperor's enemies and die trying, also they have mutant horses. If GW can stock and sell a dozen different types of Interecessor Marine, they can stock and sell multiple bucks of guardsmen. Heck they could even have accessory packs of lasrifles and stubcarbines to make Imperial Army troops. Try Again Bragg didn't die for this. They can filter new regiments through fucking Kill Team WHAT ARE THEY THINKING! I was working on a story with Valhallan Aersonais and ski troops, wonder which army style those would work under....NOT! Gav Thorpe is secretly Lijah Fething Cuu. Screw this, I'm going to Dark Future. I also have a copy of Xenos Rampant somewhere.

[@TheMisplaymaker]

The Commander comparison is a little unfair I feel...Commander actually has choices and options available to the player.

[@NDGRT-hv6yp]

I will be honest i am getting my GW minis from a local store Im not in it for the long run tho Already have a box of heirotek circle and immortals and im done with necrons, kitbashed the technomancer to get a regular cryptek, the canoptek spyder and used technomancers backpack and spare torso and guns to make a small destroyer Same with tau and admech and drukhari and orks and marines and chaos and imperial guard, i got 1-2 boxes for each over the months and frankly once i am done im done I just wanna collect all the factions i like I will take the rules of kill team which i like because of how much beefier each marine feels as marine teams come at 6 units vs for example guardsmen that come in teams of 14 plus the alternate activation keeps the game fast Im homebrewing rules for them to be more fluffy and engaging based on what i like from past editions and what i think fits them, for example most units are injured when they lose half health which makes them slower and less steady, but orks only get injured if they lose 3/4th of health because in lore they can suffer a lot of damage and keep fighting eldar each turning point roll a D6 and on 4+ the game goes from usual kill team of alternating players activating 1 model each to the Classic 40k "i play, you play" as because of the eldar high senses and ability to see in the future they get to all activate only for then the enemy to activate Is it hyper balanced and super stingy with bare bone rules like "you move 1 extra inch" no Im making this so i can play with friends and have fun Im also taking the concept of equipment from kill team and expanding it, you know the stilts guy from admech? Will i make him a model? No, but i will make him an optional equipment to give a skitarii so it has those stilts, same with the winged skitarii and the older ones with shield and maces Same with gargoyles, neurogaunts, barbagaunt ecc, just slap it on X amount of termagaunts or hormogants

[@bc9402]

Man this sucks. Well it’s a good thing I still have the codexes for older editions. Maybe I can get my frens to play some games with those. Sadly I think I’m limited in which ones since the army I’m building right now is Sisters of battle.

[@originaljoke-y5f]

these flagrant rules changes based on profit margins are another reason why i believe in and preach piracy. if enough people were to catalogue older editions and rulesets of warhammer for free online access then it would be an effective way of mitigating this problem GW is making of course doing things that way will make playing the game significantly less accessible so we the consumer have to at the very least do something about these predatory tactics GW have been putting to practice for a very long time now

[@originaljoke-y5f]

of course making a significant enough difference that Games Workshop shareholders should care would mean getting a majority of the community to wake the fuck up and stop whinging about this weeks newest vapid nonsense in order to run a boycott or something and... that's just not gonna happen

[@meganobgutzkraka2398]

justice for The Maccabbians Jannissaries or The Valhallans, how can you have a series like Caiphas Cain and not push Valhallan models GW...fuck me they dont know what they're doing.

[@AshleyBlackwater]

Whelst I do agree with alot of what you are saying here, I think the end goal isn't what you are saying. Most of the bad decisions can be attributed to laziness, incompetence, and greed (when it comes to the legal department trying to copyright everything and get things watertight. I don't think theres any grand scheme to dull the game down and do away with player choice. Its just the result of underpaid and overworked teams doing what they can with the little they have, especially the rules writers. 10th is a beta for what the new system could be, signs point to 11th fine tuning and adding stuff that's missing at this stage of the new style of the game. The new system is regement+detachment+characters. Taninth 1st are just catachan in the stealth detachment with maybe gaunts ghosts (unit) and a few generic characters, to give an example of the current way of playing a regiment without strict rules support like that. The rules are generic and freeing in alot of ways, weird catch 22 of the new way its done.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

i find this very hard to believe. While i dont think there is some eyes wide shut, hooded figures in power grand conspiracy there will be bean counters distilling the hobby down into their most basic numerical values and making business choices based on that, and in that sense tourney players who buy a new army to chase the meta every few months is exactly who they would want to chase. As for the rules, again i find it hard to excuse because ive seen rules written by unpaid fans that are far better in both execution, and editorial quality.

[@NDGRT-hv6yp]

I dont even play Imperial guard but This shit so ass.

[@paytreonsuhks]

so tired of being told how to play F GW and the fans

[@donpapas7387]

Send a message - don’t buy any models for a month as a community - they only care about the bottom line, so this is the only way they will listen

[@knobjob2839]

You will be basic and watered down, and you will like it!

[@sevatarlives185]

Ah come on. 40K has never been about the baseline humans. At the very, very least it was already a game about Space Marines and their battles and adventures since 2nd edition. Games Workshop produce miniatures, not games or rules (with a couple of exceptions admittedly- I think their best work is in Necromunda). Buy the minis that you like. Play the rules that you& your friends like. Write your own lore. Kitbash and convert your own guys, you'll be happier than if you're genuinely waiting for GW to tank.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

imperial guard have been in the game since rogue trade which included the necromundan spider regiments

[@sevatarlives185]

@@BreakfastwithBando I know. And they even chose SMs to be the cover boys for that one too!

[@jamesmacken9501]

Strange then the guard range grew massively in 2nd edition with all their full regiments available. GWs attempt to lean into the "we're just a miniatures company" mindset led to the disaster of AoS first edition that the game still hasn't recovered from.

[@sevatarlives185]

@@jamesmacken9501 2nd edition, you mean? It's not really strange, though, since it doesn't contradict what I said. The IG range did expand AND ALSO Space Marines were firmly placed as the protagonistic faction by then. And no, *I* treat GW as a miniatures company *because* of their frequent poor choices in lore and rules. Even for Necromunda, which I love, there has been a glut of essentially pointless background books. GW already produced all the good lore, at least the stuff that inspires me, and I have selections of editions of rules to pick from. So they're only good for miniatures to me 👍

[@kiraangle2823]

Ive always been a hater, i resin print for people specifically to cost gw money.

[@powerwolf-vw8st]

i really shouldent do because its sort of bad for civilisation but il admit to revelling in being right about the general direction the company was going to head in as soon as the first hints of this mentality started to rear its head started to surface GWs new painting "system" all the way back in the late two thousands and taking away depth from the rules in tiny amounts. I remember posting in forums and being attacked for "elitism" for speculating what pandering to the lowest common denominator would lead to simplyfing everything to the point where the game and longevity of said game as a hobby massively drops off for people that want to have it as a hobby for life. Luckily other games and dedicated groups for previous editions and high effort enthusiast level hobby groups exist as a bulwark against this really toxic and frankly insulting mindset that everything needs to be reduced to a congealed slop where creativity passion and wanting the best for new hobbists by not stunting their growth and shielding them from things that they will actually come to love despite finding frustating at first.

[@MechbossBoogie]

Ah, yes. The cringe-lord writing team is hot at it again, I see. I've been saying it for a while, now. Their new, former Hasbro, exec, I don't know the name, I'm not going to learn the name, I don't care, whoever it is can get in the sea, is fast tracking 40k to the M:tG model of game play and sales. New season of Standard! Buy all new armies or you're not allowed to play, because it's all been relegated to legends. But you can* still play with legends models. * being the operative word there. You're able to, just no one will play with you if you do, because the only people who still play only play to go to tournaments and the occasional casual who is shortly realizing it's just not a fun game. And even the tournament players are starting to move over to different games.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

spot on. Sadly GW is shifting towards being an IP farm over the game now so it probably wont ever go back.

[@-nope3030]

It's primaris for guard. Just generic and soulless, no respect for their own IP anymore

[@John-Sneed]

I really want to play black templer but this is kinda making not want to

[@derekburge5294]

Sad Talaran noises.

[@BreakfastwithBando]

il make you sadder. Tallarn were due to get the FW krieg level release and some of the minis were released in 2001....but something made the idea of an "arab" style army unpalatable to GW. couldnt possibly say what.

[@derekburge5294]

@BreakfastwithBando You're right; that does make me sadder. Thanks!

[@calebhebert2733]

Bases and correct