Hey this isn't the Tetris episode! Unfortunately I had to put that episode on hold. I'm waiting on assets and approval of some footage. Rather than sit around and wait, here is a new episode! This is a good subject and encourages discussion, so please be respectful when commenting. Have a great weekend!
@roberthanthonymartinezrive73836 жыл бұрын
Hey Norman! Maybe you should do a episode focused on the Atari Jaguar someday :-) There's A LOT of cool & unknown tidbits about it :-D
@HoratioMcAlge6 жыл бұрын
Gaming Historian WHAT ABOUT BERNIE STOLAR??? HELLO?????? biggest sega mistake in history.
@_CaptainCanada6 жыл бұрын
The CrisGamer No worries man I know that will be worth the wait! This episode was still great so thanks!
@pixelfolf87346 жыл бұрын
Gaming Historian I'm just happy you're making more videos :D
@beyond16bit6 жыл бұрын
Gaming Historian your awsome, can you make another pacman episode
@koenmetekohy12965 жыл бұрын
Man imagine having a rivalry with yourself.
@GamingandFrightened5 жыл бұрын
If it was like Nintendo then the Japanese suits were very out of touch with audience
@patrickbrennan13175 жыл бұрын
Coaster Boi hello me meet the real me : Megadeth says.
@Seekingtruth-mx3ur5 жыл бұрын
A house devided shall not stand
@anthonyc41384 жыл бұрын
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur yep
@kennedyfitzgerald64054 жыл бұрын
Ego
@SethAndrew524 жыл бұрын
$399 was absolutely devastating in the 90's. The Saturn reminds me of the PS3 fiasco.
@DrewPicklesTheDark4 жыл бұрын
Man the Wii and 360 fans forming a united front to tear that 600$ apart was fucking amazing. Brought a tear to my eye.
@mikedawolf954 жыл бұрын
$675!?!?!? In today’s money
@KieferSkunk4 жыл бұрын
It also didn't help that the PS3 was just about as hard to program as the Saturn was, though in different ways.
@KieferSkunk4 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Callahan Yep, because Sega was planning to quietly drop it entirely.
@acepilotsmall94294 жыл бұрын
Fernando Govea *$678
@orius033 жыл бұрын
Sega's mistakes all seem to boil down to one big mistake: their obsession to beat Nintendo in the Japanese market. If Sega had fully capitalized on their successes outside of Japan, and paid more attention to what their American counterparts were saying, they may have done better in the long run.
@carso15002 жыл бұрын
Yeah, nintendo recognized the potential of the international market and went hard on it while Sega of Japan was trapped trying to reach nintendo
@angeldejesussanchezgonzale99682 жыл бұрын
The important part is that nintendo never launch a add on for the SNES or Super Famicom to "potencialized" the console, you may think what about Satellaview. Well it was no problem due to the lack of interest of japan going with sega, and Nintendo although a little bit late of the next generation in america the console was selling well outselling Sega at the end of the generation. the only thing we can call add on was the games itself remember they used special chips instead a like i said an add on.
@GiordanDiodato Жыл бұрын
tbf, the Saturn did beat the N64 in Japan
@BlueEyedVibeChecker Жыл бұрын
All except the 32X however, since the Saturn sold more in America than the 32X did worldwide. That thing should never have left the concept stage.
@Aangfan069 ай бұрын
If SEGA headquarter was built in California instead of Hawaii, then SEGA would be 100% american instead of being 50% japanese and 50% american
@llSuperSnivyll5 жыл бұрын
So this is how summarize SEGA's downfall: SEGA of America: "Hey, look! I have this cool idea!" Japan: "No, that's dumb"
@JazzMartian5 жыл бұрын
To be fair it was Sega of America's idea for the 32x addon, which was the start of their downfall.
@llSuperSnivyll5 жыл бұрын
@@JazzMartian I'd say it's more of Japan's fault because they told them to make a 32-bit Genesis when they were already working on the Saturn. A simple "Hold on, the next-gen console is already in development" wouldn't have hurt.
@JazzMartian5 жыл бұрын
@@llSuperSnivyll I've always understood that the 32bit Genesis was the Saturn, which is what should have been the focus.
@septarap39014 жыл бұрын
@@JazzMartian agreed. Besides, it was a CD-based console. Without Nintendo being a child about keeping games on cartridge, third party game devs would have flocked around Saturn (except, Sega of Japan insulted Sony) . P.S: I think Sega of America had more brains (and ability to take calculated risks) than Sega of Japan, who took decisions mostly out of nervousness and a bad attitude.
@ThePrufessa4 жыл бұрын
@@JazzMartian it wasn't the 32x on its own. The 32x could've had a much better library at launch and done better but the Saturn made the company seem greedy in the eye of the consumer and that's never good from a business standpoint. So it was a combination of a lack of business acumen on both sides. Neither side can take full blame. They both lacked communication skills within their own fuckin company. If the two sides can't get on the same page you can't blame one side more than the other. Especially when America was only doing what Japan wanted them to do in the first place. Japan thought the consumer would view the Saturn as an upgraded 32x. And that's because they had incompetent people running the company. Anyone wanna play some Ecco?
@jaylucien6696 жыл бұрын
I worked at Funcoland during all of this. Another big hit against the Saturn was the memory cart slot in the back of the console. General consumers believed it was there for Genesis backwards compatibility. When they unfortunately discovered it wasn't, they returned the system in mass numbers. I'll never forget that.
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
Huh. Interesting.
@oddioblinker6 жыл бұрын
Jay Lucien I remember being in middle school and all the kids thought that’s what it was for too and that it could also play 32X games.
@Lost_n_Found_16 жыл бұрын
Jay Lucien Hahaha. I mean, it would've made sense so I understand the confusion amongst average consumers. I'm instantly reminded of how I missed out on the entirety of the 16-bit generation, because Dad thought it was stupid that the "new nintendo" wouldn't play his old Nintendo games, lmao. My next system would be the Saturn, then N64. I wouldn't experience the glory of SNES until the romsplosion of the late 90's.
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
Yess 85 I’m not quite sure what this comment is supposed to mean. But, no, emulating wasn’t a thing back then. Even if your computer was supposedly powerful enough to emulate a genesis game, where would you get them? There wasn’t really a such thing as “the internet” back then.
@conman8236 жыл бұрын
Yess 85 Wow, are you 12?
@muhanc.a.92996 жыл бұрын
SEGA's biggest mistake: SEGA japan vs SEGA America. SEGA's internal and intercontinental war doomed SEGA itself.
@SomeOrangeCat6 жыл бұрын
It also didn't help, that at one point they were stretch so thing. They were supporting the SMS, the GG, the Genesis, the SEGA CD, and the 32X, AND trying to do R&D on top of all of that.
@jacklazzaro98206 жыл бұрын
No. Sega's biggest mistake.... Was not making a second model Dreamcast with a movie player.
@chancepaladin6 жыл бұрын
Yep. It's historically accepted that the AMERICAN STAFF knows what's going on with the industry better than the JAPANESE STAFF. Exact same thing happened with NES > Mario franchise early on (Mario 2 debacle). Holy cow... ;/ Similar crap happened with the XBOX launch didn't it (but in reverse)?
@bhirawamaylana4666 жыл бұрын
That my friend what we call civil wars, no wonder sega cannot win nintendo, coz their own company cannot unite as one
@terrylodge48466 жыл бұрын
Agreed. If the original had had a DVD player, it would have been a massive hit. It was the first mainstream machine offering internet access outta the box. A lot of us didnt have a P.C back then so with the emerging internet on the horizon in the late 90s and extremely limited phone access (remember WAP!?) the playstation would have lost the long race on that one for sure.
@Anakunus4 жыл бұрын
I think that Sega's biggest mistake was not to give Tom Kalinske full control over business decisions regarding North American market area. The man was a genius.
@megabuster39403 жыл бұрын
He was too good for Sega. They don't deserve him.
@barreldancer35053 жыл бұрын
I mean his the reason the sega genesis didn’t fail in america
@beelzeboss96313 жыл бұрын
Bernie Stolar played a part in Sega's downfall also
@fshoaps3 жыл бұрын
@@beelzeboss9631 Eh, that’s a diversion.
@atre57633 жыл бұрын
Hell no
@julianconcha76414 жыл бұрын
Imagine an alternate timeline where SEGA and Sony are just one, big, blue technological/gaming juggernaut against Nintendo. SEGA kinda accidentally helped Nintendo survive through that generation...
@58jharris4 жыл бұрын
I think there's a good chance that if the N64 had been a CD based console the PS1 would have ultimately died and Nintendo might have accidentally saved Sega.
@johndevito23843 жыл бұрын
@@58jharris But had Nintendo agreed with Sony and made a CD ROM attachment for the Super NES, they would've compete against the Sega CD.
@mattm77983 жыл бұрын
@@58jharris I highly doubt it. PS1 had so many must own exclusives, and that wasn't due to being cd vs cartridge. Plus, PS1 had a huge head start and by the time N64 released, already had a good number of those exclusives. As I mentioned above, just having a head start doesn't do much if fans are willing to wait. Having great games and a head start creates that advantage.
@58jharris3 жыл бұрын
@@mattm7798 No it was because the N64 used cartridges. That caused a lot of third party developers to abandon Nintendo and say nay to the platform. Many of those exclusives you're referring to would have doubtless been N64 games otherwise. The most infamous example is Square and Final Fantasy 7. That was originally going to be an N64 game but Square went to Sony because they decided they wanted it on CD to make the game bigger and more expansive. That game alone sold a lot of PS1's, sales that could and should have gone to the N64.
@lonecom6853 жыл бұрын
@@58jharris Probably. Nintendo had the most powerful console, a huge name and a bunch of must have exclusive franchises (they also had Rare's support). If it wasn't for those damn cartridges, Nintendo would have gathered third party support and smashed Sony into a oblivion! The funny thing is that Sega only left the market because of Sony and Microsoft only entered in it because of the PlayStation. So, if it wasn't for this chaotic moment, the videogame world would be completely different!
@SkulShurtugalTCG6 жыл бұрын
The Sega Saturn blunder.... Hard to believe that wasn't intentional. You can't make up stupidity that bad.
@Chaos89P6 жыл бұрын
Remember the XBox One's inagural E3 presentation? Sony knows brutality.
@thema19986 жыл бұрын
Chaos89P Microsoft made the Xbox One. Not Sony!
@Chaos89P6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Del Pilar What I'm talking about is that Sony's press conference after Microsoft's was particularly brutal. I didn't watch it myself, but I heard that Microsoft's press conference announcing the XBox One was painful to watch. Nothing but "Sports, sports, sports, sports. TV, TV, TV. Inane DRM. etc." with no mention of games coming out exclusively for the system, and then Sony ripped them up the next day with their announcement of the PS4. I saw that.
@andrester886 жыл бұрын
My favorite part of the Sony announcement is how they showed off sharing games. it was friking hilarious
@vh9network6 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly Lindsey. The 32X was a perfect cartridge based system to keep up with the cartridge based Nintendo 64. All SEGA needed was a Sonic game. We could have never seen Saturn in the West and it would have probably saved SEGA. We were going to get the Neptune, the full blown 32X console.
@Tradeofjane4 жыл бұрын
"Sony doesn't know how to make hardware" ~ Sega of Japan. Neither did Atari but that didn't prevent Sega of Japan from being scared of the Atari Jaguar.
@GamingDelight4 жыл бұрын
Quack Watch Nakayama meant video game hardware, not hardware in general.
@housinengi95124 жыл бұрын
biggest mistake make sony upset twice and you get dead
@skunksecond4 жыл бұрын
OOH, sick burn!
@RobertK19934 жыл бұрын
Quack Watch Still are Apple and Samsung and LG are for losers
@KieferSkunk4 жыл бұрын
@@GamingDelight - To be fair, Nakayama's comment was based on the simple fact that Sony had never tried to make game hardware before, not that they'd tried and failed. I'm pretty sure that he would have said exactly the same thing about Microsoft (Xbox) and NEC (PC-Engine/TG16).
@Kodeb84 жыл бұрын
I always imagine the CEO of Sega of Japan as a fat demon with a suit, and the CEO of Sega of America as a hip 90s skateboard kid with a backwards cap.
@denimchicken1044 жыл бұрын
If 90’s Sega was an anime...
@lewisaino3 жыл бұрын
In then end Sega of JPN was acting Nintendoish.
@autobotstarscream7653 жыл бұрын
So basically Eggman and Sonic?
@autobotstarscream7653 жыл бұрын
@@theemblemhunter So basically Reggie?
@atre57633 жыл бұрын
Both are idiots!
@shawn5765 жыл бұрын
That "299" speech is awesome. Sometimes you can say the most by saying very little.
@Nefus19885 жыл бұрын
12 years later in 2006: 599 US dollars
@mattym80385 жыл бұрын
a great moment but sadly Sony didn't learn anything from Sega's Mistake, they did the same thing with the PS2.
@lazarushernandez58275 жыл бұрын
@@mattym8038 Bad example, the PS2 is the best selling console in history.
@dapperfan445 жыл бұрын
@@mattym8038 I think you meant PS3, not 2.
@HipsterEatinShark5 жыл бұрын
@@mattym8038 Haha, you have no clue what you're talking about. The PS2 sold 155 million units before they stopped publishing sales, which was still a good year before it was discontinued.
@Lugmillord6 жыл бұрын
Man, the lead of Sega Japan was horrible at making decisions.
@songohan33216 жыл бұрын
Lugmillord That is giving them an extreme amount of generosity.
@ryansease11156 жыл бұрын
Lugmillord t
@zackschilling43766 жыл бұрын
Especially that hair
@InuYugiHakusho6 жыл бұрын
And that's why he's not president anymore.
@xynthymr6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Nintendo of Japan makes just as many stupid mistakes. Must be a Japanese business thing. That's what happens when old men run a corporation, thinking they know what's right for the younger generations.
@VideoGameVlad843 жыл бұрын
"But, Sega of Japan was in charge." The reason of Sega's downfall.
@rubberchix3 жыл бұрын
racist
@VideoGameVlad843 жыл бұрын
@@rubberchix Excuse me what
@robspear033 жыл бұрын
@@rubberchix context?
@SrSander3 жыл бұрын
@@rubberchix did you watch the video?
@wildannandawicaksana50043 жыл бұрын
@@rubberchix wut?
@Movie_Games3 жыл бұрын
Sega Of Japan failed so bad, they committed sudoku
@KingRett3 жыл бұрын
Do you mean seppuku? That's suicide with sword ripping your belly. It's usually associated to dying with honor after being dishonored badly. Sudoku is a old math puzzle game. There was also a video game series with a similar enough sounding name called Suikoden. Konami made it instead of Sega. Seppuku makes the most sense with the context.
@themisteryfication3873 жыл бұрын
its seppuku* like rett said
@albertnortononymous90203 жыл бұрын
@@KingRett It’s a meme
@robspear033 жыл бұрын
@@KingRett Whoosh
@autobotstarscream7653 жыл бұрын
And took SEGA of America down with them in the process, Yoshimitsu-style.
@keinlieb38185 жыл бұрын
"Sony doesn't know how to make gaming consoles" most regrettable comment in history.
@billroasts67015 жыл бұрын
How ironic, huh? The Playstation 2 turned out to be my favorite console, even today.
@theindiediary59505 жыл бұрын
Ps2 was sensational. A gazillion games to choose from.
@asmosisyup25575 жыл бұрын
At least they said it before the age of memes.
@RosettaAllen5 жыл бұрын
sony is a bastard of a company that has no respect for it's buyers. and while the later PS machines were good, the early ones broke if you breathed on them, most returns and trade ins ever.
@theindiediary59505 жыл бұрын
@@RosettaAllen lol calm yourself down there.
@DragonMan4156 жыл бұрын
I think Sega's biggest mistake is they absolutely HATE delaying games. As Shigeru Miyamoto said "a late game can be turned good, a bad game is bad forever"
@DeathBringer7696 жыл бұрын
I heard a famous director say the same about movies (can't remember his name right now) but it's totally true. A late product can be turned good, but a bad product is bad forever. Wish more people took this approach instead of blindly focusing on only meeting budgets and deadlines. You can meet your budget, meet your deadline, and still put out absolute trash. It's not an automatic cause for celebration like a lot of studios act like now.
@GiordanDiodato6 жыл бұрын
Some people would argue "Duke Nukem Forever" but they don't know the full history of DNF, which essentially was a guy who wanted everything to be in the game and the project restarted 4-5 times.
@GiordanDiodato6 жыл бұрын
+Evan Clapham not only with ET and Pacman, but also with Driv3r
@prestonpegues86756 жыл бұрын
TheDragonman415 Sonic mania and Sonic boom 06 forces 4 ep 1
@cbbblue83486 жыл бұрын
Deathbrewer is it jackie chan? He did say stuff like "Its good to invest many times onto a movie,because when it out,it was there to audience to see forever. If you rush to create a bad product,it is bad forever"
@airman200120014 жыл бұрын
I was so pissed when I bought a Saturn instead of a playstation, in no time games fell off and playstation rocketed through the roof
@wazzobazzo4 жыл бұрын
Well that's a weird way of thinking considering the Saturn is, at least for arcade lovers, clearly the far superior system in terms of hardware (also as far as ergonomics go). Many of the games hold up to this day. Take imports into account and it crushes the PS1. Nowadays it's also expensive and it still can't be emulated well whereas the PS1 can be played on android so...you made the right choice (imho). I did too and like(d) Sega and arcade stuff so I may be biased but yeah... Shame Sega fucked themselves out of the race.
@TBirdKris4 жыл бұрын
I was in the same boat. Being Sega fans, my family bought the Saturn at launch. Being $400 there was no way we were going to buy another system after that purchase. The gamble was a huge bust and I remember being jealous of all my friends with their N64s and PS1s. That said there were a few really good Saturn games I have fond memories of. I also remember renting the 32X from Blockbuster Video to try it out because we didn't see the point of buying it with the Saturn coming.
@Blakviet054 жыл бұрын
@@TBirdKris agreed the ps1 had alot of great games that started franchises and I didn't own the n64 at the time as well because I was only 10 years old we or should I say I could not just go out and buy two systems lol but I respect the games that came out on n64 too
@spursdynasty73784 жыл бұрын
Me too ! My brother came home with one and i was impressed when he popped in NFL Gameday. It was so much better than Madden and Joe Montana Football. Sold my Saturn and bought one myself.
@thanos99093 жыл бұрын
Well the Saturn did have some gems like Panzer Dragon Saga and Guardian Heroes.
@iwritechecksatthegrocerystore4 жыл бұрын
Man... I remember my friend called me on Christmas one time to brag about getting a sega Saturn..... Yep. That didn’t age to well....
@Emiya4913 жыл бұрын
I imagine ur friend looking at his Saturn and he said: What a mistake i made
@JonathanHarrisNews2 жыл бұрын
The Saturn is an amazing system. Just pricey.
@GiordanDiodato Жыл бұрын
two words: Sakura Wars
@mattzeyro6 жыл бұрын
Great episode as always Norm! I had no idea that both Nintendo AND Sega had a hand in creating their biggest rivals. Unbelievable.
@adamhovey4076 жыл бұрын
Matthew Hughes I think you will happen to find that it is more common than you think
@KageMaxwell6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Hughes I didn't know that either. Thanks Nintendo and Sega for making one of my all time favorite gaming console...which turned into four. Seriously, I've never ran into a bad PlayStation. I fell in love with all four of them. On top of that the PlayStation gave us the home port of Tekken. My all time favorite fighting series. Even though my PS3 died on me years ago, I still keep it around hoping to get it fixed...and stay fixed.
@Miumiu04046 жыл бұрын
It's so dramatic honestly. It's like something out from a movie or book. Nintendo and Sega, the two biggest video game companies in the world at that time, unknowingly gave birth to their biggest rival ever: the Sony PlayStation.
@thebravegallade7316 жыл бұрын
Sony made this mistake too. They fkat out refused to give samsung and LG (of korea) triniton for thier TVs. Which led to thouse 2 developing thier own tech. Now look at samsung and LG's display sales compared to sony. HA!
@joelggundam6 жыл бұрын
One correction, roughly 4 retailers were selling the Saturn in May 1995 (Software Etc, EB Games, Babbage's, and Toys R Us). Most of the large retailers were also left out. Walmart was so furious that they discontinued selling Sega products from their stores, which was the biggest blow for the Saturn in my eyes.
@mountaindewslave6 жыл бұрын
jesus, talk about short sighted to ignore Walmart and possibly other big retailers of the time (Not sure Best Buy's marketshare at the time)
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
Because it wasn't an actual launch. It was a BOTCHED Test Market Trial Release.
@SAM-ru4vx6 жыл бұрын
The first place I saw the Saturn was at Sears in the mall.
@ragejinraver6 жыл бұрын
joelggundam Uuuummmm you do realize GameStop was not even around at that time right . It was Funcoland that was the big & really only major gaming store at the time
@joelggundam6 жыл бұрын
ragejinraver Oops, I meant Software Etc... And Funcoland was also left out.
@nathanielmills46784 жыл бұрын
Shout out to the Dreamcast though. Great games. Shenmue, Crazy Taxi, House of the Dead, Jet Set Radio, Sega Bass Fishing, Rival Skools, Power Stone, Soul Calibre, Virtual Tennis...
@booognish4 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Mills plus the last game made by LJN, Spirit of Speed. Heh
@reneverlaine73464 жыл бұрын
Soul caliburrrrrrrr You just got voldomized, lol. The Dreamcast had great games but sony killed it. Great video by the way.
@GamingDelight4 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Mills You forgot the Sonic Adventure games.
@CptKennyLoggins4 жыл бұрын
2k sports games, Seaman, etc. I used to love playing online games like Starlancer, PSO, and Alien Front Online. PS2 online was a joke at that time.
@dwong983 жыл бұрын
Crazi taxi had a version made for the PSP and Soul Calibre was available on Gamecube and Playstation consoles and still is (soul Calibre 6 on PS4)
@TheReal_Pim_Tool4 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why Sega came out with so many systems and add on systems in such a short period of time. It did make them seem greedy and ruined their loyal fan base. I was always a fan of the Genesis because they had so many great games. It seems they just didn’t have a clear plan on how they were going to take their consoles into the gaming future.
@vulcanraven97013 жыл бұрын
Richard: Sega was horribly run. They made stop gap hardware like the CD & 32X and failed to make sequels from the popular Genesis games onto the Saturn. Most obvious shown by the canceled Sonic Xtreme
@WaterKirby19942 жыл бұрын
Several of the best Saturn games didn't even reach The West, Stolar dismissed JRPGs giving PS1 a monopoly over them. Trust me Saturn's Failure wasn't just the lack of sequels. So much went wrong, although some of the Saturn Games were real gems that never got proper support like Genesis Greats did. At least Dreamcast learned from both mistakes & sold hard on that Crane Simulator named Shenmue & gave us Jojo's Bizarre Adventure in addition to Sonic Adventure.
@GiordanDiodato Жыл бұрын
it's basically because they wanted to keep the Genesis alive
@GiordanDiodato Жыл бұрын
@@WaterKirby1994 which is why I consider hiring Bernard Stolar Sega's biggest mistake.
@2beJT8 ай бұрын
I was turned off by it for sure. Safer to just avoid the company that makes us buy a new system every 2 years.
@christinadoxstader17875 жыл бұрын
Should be called "3 Ways Sega of Japan's Ego got in the way"
@-flike--kiniar-44575 жыл бұрын
You're lucky you're hot. I'm as hot as my pic too. Let's make out. =p
@paynehotline73645 жыл бұрын
@@-flike--kiniar-4457 this man really picking up girls on youtube lmaoooo
@relaxalexm.f63925 жыл бұрын
payne hotline lol
@dapperfan445 жыл бұрын
apparently Japanese companies tend to have ego issues, and this almost caused Sony to fail at the PS3. They were arrogant because the PS2 was so successful.
@stinkyham90505 жыл бұрын
Agreed, Segas #1 mistake over confidence.
@captainobvious92335 жыл бұрын
"Many of them were rushed through production' So sad that game companies still haven't learned their lesson.
@yurihageshi80084 жыл бұрын
Yes they have. Endless microtransactions. And gig sized patches
@djxceesx99014 жыл бұрын
I guess now they can rush because we can patch? Nope game developers...NO
@DrewPicklesTheDark4 жыл бұрын
Blizzard did... until Activision bought them out, then they did a 180.
@Daidan02 жыл бұрын
as miyamoto has said "a delayed game will eventually be good, a rushed game will for ever be bad. "
@dinohermann18872 жыл бұрын
@@Daidan0 When did he say that?
@ReaperX74 жыл бұрын
Sega Japan didn't know their own markets. It showed and it hurt them. The US side knew the markets entirely. They knew what was would work. The Japanese side was just too complacent and stagnated.
@madhatter85084 жыл бұрын
SEGA of America killed the Saturn. There were tons of great games in Japan, but Bernie Stolar wouldn't localize them because he didn't want any "weird Japanese games" on the Saturn.
@supersexysega4 жыл бұрын
@@madhatter8508 The Saturn was dead in the water and nothing was going to change that. Probably the most playable 5th gen console in the present day but it's cross platform 3D efforts were mostly an embarrassment.
@madhatter85084 жыл бұрын
@@supersexysega The Saturn outsold the PlayStation in Japan from 1994 to 1997. It was dead on arrival in North America because it launched early, thereby alienating retailers, developers, and customers in one fell swoop. The Saturn had over 1200+ games in Japan and enjoyed enormous 3rd party support and a ton of hit games that Sega of America refused to localize. Sega of America under Bernie Stolar deliberately killed the Saturn because they were trying to force SOJ to release the Dreamcast early. Sega still made a profit with the Saturn despite Sega of America's failures, but what did they get with the Dreamcast? Three straight years of losses. Sega of America didn't know their own ass from a hole in the ground.
@supersexysega4 жыл бұрын
@@madhatter8508 I am well aware the Saturn did extremely well in Japan and it took Final Fantasy 7 to put the PSX over the top in Japan. By the time Stolar said the Saturn isn't our future the system was so far dead no one cared. Sega of Japan cost the Genesis tons of sales in the holiday season of 95'. They were 300,000 Genesis units short of demand because they were so focused on making sure the Saturn was manufactured. Not to mention the Sega of Japan commissioned 32x to shit on all the great Genesis software in late 94' into 95' At the end of the day Sega of Japan should have done what was best for their market and let Sega of America do what was best for the Western market. The Saturn regardless of its success in Japan was a huge failure worldwide. I personally love the Saturn doesn't make it a complete trainwreck though.
3 жыл бұрын
RetroCoreGaming: sega JP never grasoed the success that their foreign partners achieved. It was never that successful in Japan becauae they (the headquarters in JP) werent very good.
@adaminindo4 жыл бұрын
I miss the jingle at begining when we turn the console on, that said: SEGAaaaa.... 😓
@MarioMasterProductions3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@SonofMrPeanut6 жыл бұрын
#2 is an important element in the Sony Playstation story. It wasn't just "revenge on Nintendo," it was their response to the video game industry as a whole.
@guilhermecantarela37006 жыл бұрын
right but that was a pitch, so people say these stuff to appeal.
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
Sony PlayStation is a big LIE. Sony cheated Nintendo out of the Super Famicom CD add on deal to get the designs and patents on them ,and they deceived and TRICKED SEGA of America into letting them design a chipset for the upcoming Sega Jupiter 32-bit Console, only then to STEAL the chipset right under SOA's noses.
@scarffoxandfriends94016 жыл бұрын
Tornado1994 well, apparently the reason Nintendo backed out was because they realized the contract would give sony full rights to their Ips to the point that they could release their own system without Nintendo and still use characters like mario and link =b
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
That is 100% Correct. Sony drew up shady clauses in their Contract with Nintendo's CD add on. Giving Sony 80% control off] it and would allow SONY to make Mario and Zelda games. n July of 1988, Nintendo started development of Super Famicom codenamed Famicom 2. Nintendo at the time had taken heavy interest in acquiring a smaller,cheaper off the shelf design of Apple's 1986 16-bit Home Computer the Apple IIGS, so they contracted Japanese semiconductor Ricoh Silicon Technologies and Sony to come up with a special System on a Chip design of IIGS hardware. Ricoh designed and customized a Single Core 16-bit processor called the A522 which powers the entire architecture of the IIGS hardware on a single processor, Sony in turn was assigned 2nd Party OEM rights to its Motherboard and designed a special Wav. Custom made Sound processor for the Famicom 2(designed to outshine the Brand NEW and cutting edge SEGA Mega Drive console which launched in Japan that Holiday season)). In June of 1990, about several months before Super Famicom's Japanese rollout, Nintendo heard rumors and reports that SEGA was partnering up with Pioneer and JVC to design a CD add on accessory for the Mega Drive(Mega CD or "Sega Project Earth" was kept top secret by SEGA until its public unveiling in April 1991), so naturally they wanted in on the rumored Compact Disc ROM craze that they saw starting with NEC and projected to have a CD add on ready for Super Famicom by 1992, since Sony and Philips developed CD tech together in 1981-1982 and since CD ROM was code developed by Sony,JVC and Philips in 1984-1985, Nintendo figured that it would be much easier to simply approach Sony and ask to help assist in developing the accessory. Here's where things fell apart. Sony in 1990, decided that since they had grown into a Large Corporation(they had purchased Columbia Pictures,Tri Star and CBS Music/Epic BMG from Coca Cola in 1988) that instead of working and partnering with others THEY could pretty much do whatever they wanted. Sony's new Attitude was "We want to Monopolize ANY market we choose" so by that time, Sony was eyeing the video gaming business and instead of wasting time and R&D on building and developing a new home console, they decided to cheat and screw over Nintendo with the newly codenamed "Project Nintendo Play Station". What Sony did was THEY drew up the contract. Adding multiple Clauses in it which gave Sony 80% of control of the add on. On licensing,Manufacturing, Royalties, Profits, while Nintendo would be left with just a measly 20%. Sony was telling Nintendo in early 1991, that THEY were going OWN the add on, it was as if they wanted Nintendo to literally GIVE away the hardware to Sony. Nintendo was certainly furious, and demanded a renegotiation set for the Early Summer of 1991, but unfortunately by then, Sony had another demand intentionally designed to piss off Nintendo, in June 1991, Ken Kutaragi and Hiroshi Yamauchi held a Private Meeting in Kyoto, Kutaragi not only refused to change the demands in the contract, he then BOLDLY flat out proclaimed that Sony should ALSO have the right to design and publish Mario and Zelda games, they were telling Nintendo that THEY were going to handle development of Nintendo's IPs. This was the final straw, Yamauchi dismissed Kutaragi and later called and told him, the deal was off. Nintendo tore up Sony's contract and sent him a Nintendo made contract, giving Nintendo 90% of the rights, with even a JTO Trademark of the prototype "Nintendo Super Famicom CD" and relegated Sony solely to 2nd Party partner only with No ability to license Nintendo IPs for the machine. Kutaragi pretty much discarded the contract, but not before altering it, giving Sony some rights to use the designs and concepts by redrawing them. Nintendo missed this hidden clause snuck in and signed the contract, but not before realizing that the deal with Sony and Nintendo was pretty much dead. Nintendo DROPPED Sony from all 2nd Party duties in November of 1991, the newer batches of Super NES and Super Famicom Motherboards would no longer be handled by Sony, instead Nintendo contracted RICOH to handle ALL motherboards and Sharp as Secondary. The biggest Mistake Nintendo made was they forgot to LEGALLY buy back the designs and concepts and let Sony run off with them. All Nintendo had to do was sue Sony for Patent Infringement and Sony's dreams for PlayStation would have been dead as a doornail. Sony then in August 1991, set up a meeting with SEGA Enterprises,Ltd in Haneda, disguising themselves as an OEM partner, Kutaragi and Sony were actually secretly planning Corporate espionage to STEAL hardware designs,blueprints and concepts of whatever successor of Mega Drive/Genesis that was being planned so they could outdo SEGA in everything technically. The meeting between Sony and SEGA of Japan took place in Early September 1991. It lasted barely 45 minutes before Hayao Nakayama and the SEGA Chairboard threw Sony, Kutaragi and his Chairboard out of their office. Berating them, Yelling at them and warning them that they would have no qualms about competing against them IF they even decided to launch a video game product of their own. SEGA was PISSED OFF because Sony had claimed to them that could design a cutting edge chipset for SEGA without actually showing or displaying to them any proof of such a claim, no concepts, nothing. Sony just shot their mouth off with claims that couldn't be substantiated and on top of that had asked and begged to have access to SEGA's Arcade tech and specs and motherboards. The only thing SEGA showed Sony was System 32 Arcade Hardware, before telling to go screw themselves and slammed the door in their faces. SEGA of Japan saw RIGHT through Sony. They didn't trust them, wanted NOTHING to do with them and refused to do any business with them they had given JVC full 2nd Party rights to Mega CD. To Sony's complete shock, SEGA were smarter than they thought. The plan to spy and steal hardware from SEGA had backfired, or did it? Sony finally found an opening in the Spring of 1992, when they discovered that SEGA of America functioned differently from SOJ and were often naive. So they CONNED and WEASELED their way into SOA's offices. They concocted an alibi that they had a 2nd Party Negotiations with SOJ going on and(without presenting proof of such a claim) and thus wanted to handle 2nd party duties for Sega CD in America. They then told(LIED) to SOA that they could design and assemble a 3D chipset for SEGA's Project Jupiter, in which SOA blindly let Sony have access to specs,designs,concepts e.t.c, SOA had NO idea that they would be doublecrossed. Sony then LIED and deceived SOA by asking to design hardware for Jupiter with a simple(weak and poorly written) contract with a hidden and sleazy clause: Sony would assist SOA in designing a Jupiter prototype chipset, so as long as they be allowed to develop Sega CD games and handle Sega CD's 2nd Party rights. If they suddenly discontinued it, the hardware would be Sony's. All SEGA had to do to stop this, was consult with SOJ(who would have put licensing and Patent protection on the hardware to prevent Sony from stealing it) but they never did. Sony assured SOA that negotiations of the Jupiter chipset would take place during Early 1993. Sony NEVER fulfilled their end of the bargain and broke their promise.(This was to bide time so that Sony could LOCK down the hardware and collect the licensing rights to it.). So when Early 1993 rolled around and SOJ consulted with SOA's engineering team after sending them a prototype of System 32 based Giga Drive/MARS,, SOA told them all about Sony. SEGA was furious and when JVC found out that Sony was manufacturing Sega CD ILLEGALLY, they took Sony to court and won. So all CD Loading Tray Model 1 Sega CD's were immediately pulled from the Market in the Summer of 1993. SOA found out the hard way that Sony had bamboozled them. Sony never met with them in the Spring of 1993. Instead, Sony started full fledged development of their CD based console "Sony PlayStatio- X". SEGA of Japan had suspected that Sony was planning something. So in Early 1993, they assigned Hideki Sato to begin work on a Top Secret 64-bit powerhouse project codenamed "Aurora". AURORA was going to be Model 2 Arcade based. Its pretty easy to guess what eventually became of Aurora. So you see, Sony SCREWED both SEGA and Nintendo over. If you want to know where Nintendo was monopolistic, it was when Minoru Aikawa was in charge of Nintendo of America.
@spacewardsebas6 жыл бұрын
Playstation isnt a monopoly, lmao
@saultube445 жыл бұрын
@4:50 "Mommy, what are those 2 SEGA Machines doing? [They're making an arcade system, dear]" LOL
@jyo97353 жыл бұрын
when sega literally screwed itself
@thisisaloadofbarnacles9213 жыл бұрын
@@jyo9735 This is golden.
@illuminatiCorgi4 жыл бұрын
"$299 😐" throws🎤
@danielruiz82594 жыл бұрын
Sega: *Police, i was murdered today*
@FadingPixel4 жыл бұрын
Throws a song about it?
@windowsme23274 жыл бұрын
Nintendo:Sony is an baga
@eternalhalloween14 жыл бұрын
It's so funny, it's sad. SEGA at one time was even outselling NINTENDO. Then Sega made so many horrible mistakes, that it was possible for SONY to kill SEGA with three words: "Two, ninety, nine."
@KieferSkunk4 жыл бұрын
@@eternalhalloween1 - Nakayama was pretty much directly responsible for all of that. I've seen criticisms of Sony of Japan being "too Japanese" - as in, too proud and inflexible to make the kinds of innovative decisions that American companies tend to make all the time. But frankly, I think Sega of Japan was even more deserving of that criticism than Sony, given how they basically refused to work with their American counterpart. For context, the Sony-too-Japanese criticisms I saw came at about the time that Microsoft entered the Japanese market with the Xbox and 360. While neither of those consoles could really compete with the PS2 and PS3 in Japan, people in general favored the 360's UI over that of Sony's, and the "Too Japanese" comment applied mostly to Sony's stubborn refusal to make their system UI more user-friendly.
@ToastyMann4 жыл бұрын
"Sony doesn't know how to make gaming consoles." *Amplifies microphone* "Say that, again."
@stephencook73376 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: Finish late prepared rather than early unprepared......or roll with Sony when they ask you for your help
@adorenu13385 жыл бұрын
Sony can betray Sega anytime you know..
@justinj_005 жыл бұрын
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad" - _Shigeru Miyamoto_
@huzzahhelicopter24335 жыл бұрын
yea lol
@christianlorre5 жыл бұрын
Electronic Gaming Monthly said Sega screwed up by not having a clear direction. Nintendo won because they think things through. But at the same time, Nintendo lost for think too much on a easy path, since they stayed with cartridges for the N64 while Sony kicked their butts with the CD based PlayStation.
@bmtphoenix5 жыл бұрын
Or just don't crap on an ally as big as Sony and expect there to be no repercussions. How dumb.
@MisledDan5 жыл бұрын
Heck, even with that grainy footage, you could tell how nervous Kalinske was making that surprise announcement.
@ivaneurope5 жыл бұрын
Tom Kalinske knew that this announcement will sink any credibility SEGA had left, but there was little he could do about it since SEGA of Japan was calling the shots and by 1997 he left the sinking ship called SEGA
@Dwayneff5 жыл бұрын
Nakayama killed Sega...freakin shame. I miss the old Sega. If only they had partnered with Sony, they could of been the biggest name in the industry.
@TheLegendInYou4 жыл бұрын
It sounds like having two different Sega companies in two countries was the real problem.
@JosueGomezX34 жыл бұрын
TheLegendInYou I would debate that. Seems to me that the Sega Japan president was horrible at making decisions. I think that even Sega of Japan would have been the only one its president would have still fucked it up.
@auntjenifer77744 жыл бұрын
@@JosueGomezX3 so you the above statement you agree with ? It seems you do find it too be true but still want to debate it ?
@alejandrobolanos46554 жыл бұрын
It bothers me how Sega's arcade hardware business is often ignored
@flightofthebumblebee95294 жыл бұрын
Sega is hands down the best at making games.
@End_Zionism6 жыл бұрын
Tom Kalinske made the Genesis successful so what the hell were they thinking in not listening to him after the success?!
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
SEGA of Japan DID listen. Isao Okawa and SEGA's Parent Company CSK DID NOT.
@UmarTahir5 жыл бұрын
@@Tornado1994 Thanks for the clarification, I had no idea about that
@adrianhetmanski18325 жыл бұрын
They (sega jp) "knew better", despite him taking sega from 75M $ valued company to 3.5billion in just 4years.
@ryannuget71645 жыл бұрын
@@adrianhetmanski1832 Damn that is crazy. He really is a smart man.
@adrianhetmanski18325 жыл бұрын
@@ryannuget7164 The guy was definitely good, he worked for Mattel for a long time and knew what kids liked in NA, he revived the Barbie in US and helped launch Masters of the Universe toy line, after he left Sega in '96, Sega sadly nearly bankrupted themselves by 2000, mostly because they spent so much money on 32X, Saturn (and all the crazy versions of it in JP), also because they failed to include a BlueRay with Dreamcast (which people loved), but once Sony announced PS2 was using BR it was all over, all developers & customers bailed over to Sony. At least Sega's still around making games, it would have been terrible to loose them.
@JustinEvitable805 жыл бұрын
$99 down to $20. Seems a lot like the PlayStation Classic these days.
@jayzee26345 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not here in Canada though
@Zioncity2k94 жыл бұрын
Purchased mine for &19.99 on amazon
@dwong983 жыл бұрын
If they were actually made well and aren't Chinese emulator nightmares
@Bleeperblopper4973 жыл бұрын
@@jayzee2634 I bought mine for 20$ at The Source tho
@dangermartin694 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that they also stepped in and bought a pinball company when pinball was on the way down. I'm sure that cost them.
@rodrigowolupeck17884 жыл бұрын
"Sony doesn't know how to make hardware" lol 😂😂😂😂
@statusquo95204 жыл бұрын
What a stupid thing to say. They forgot who created the Compact disc in 80's.
@GamingDelight4 жыл бұрын
Status Quo The compact disc is not hardware.
@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-4 жыл бұрын
@@statusquo9520 They didn't create the Compact Disc/ Compact Disc player all on their own though. It was a joined effort with Phillips.
@statusquo95204 жыл бұрын
@@PhoenixNL72-DEGA- Okay, minidisc then.
@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-4 жыл бұрын
@@statusquo9520 Yes they did invent that. :) but that was years after Sega Japan made that statement and only had reasonable succes in Asia. For the most part it flopped, just like Phillips attempt with the digital compact cassette (DCC). They were both driven completely out of the market with the advent of CD-R. Anyway Sega Japan clearly hadn't done it's homework as imho it should have been clear Sony must have picked up a lot of knowledge from their brief collaboration with Nintendo on that CD game console that Nintendo eventually nixed by backstabbing Sony and going with Phillips. When Sega refused to jointly develop the system, Sony's CEO stubbornly ordered Sony to finished the job themselves even if it would have failed and lost money just to stick it to Nintendo. And History shows they stuck it to Nintendo good. ;)
@jba20486 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like Sega's number one problem was that Sega of Japan was in charge and making worst business decisions.
@djkidna6 жыл бұрын
Sega of America made some terrible decisions, too. The Saturn had a good library of excellent RPGs in Japan that the American president refused to bring over, saying essentially that RPGs wouldn't do well in the US and that we wanted more sports games. But yeah, Sega Japan made some terrible decisions. The decision to do the 32x when the Saturn was already in the planning stages was absolutely bonkers. The constant infighting between Sega Japan and America also made zero sense, at times the fighting got so bad you'd think you were looking at two completely different companies rather than two branches of the same company.
@SomeOrangeCat6 жыл бұрын
They refused to listen to their US and UK people and it cost them dearly.
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
Yes and no. It's important to remember that back then, in the pre-internet era, Japan and America might as well have been different planets. Sega didn't really understand or know what to do with the success of the Genesis in the USA. The "Sega is the system with attitude" marketing didn't really make any sense to the Japanese because that's a distinctly American thing. And "Genesis is the sports console" also made no sense to them because they didn't care about US sports or Electronic Arts.
@djkidna6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Sega Japan refused to listen to anything America had to say, thinking they always knew better. Sega Japan fought hard against America's suggestion of bundling Sonic with the Genesis to get it to sell better. It's true that Japan didn't at all understand the culture behind America's "attitude" marketing, but that shouldn't have mattered. It worked for the US, so they should've put more faith in their American team members that they knew what they were talking about when they said decisions that Japan was making would hurt sales in the US.
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
DJ Kidna, It takes a LOT to convince someone that their insticts are wrong. Especailly when it goes so far against what they believe they intrinsically know. My brother's wife works fo ra cosmetic company that does business in Japan. They frequently have difficult times understanding western cosmetics, specifically products used to make white people darker. In Japan, the only toning product they could even conceive of is one that makes people lighter. No matter how much research they are presetend with, they almost outright refuse that anybody would buy a product that makes them darker.
@SomeOrangeCat6 жыл бұрын
I've said for years that Sega's most dangerous foe was never Nintendo, but rather Sega themselves. its that old bit about how a house divided cannot stand.
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
The same goes for Nitnendo, who shot themselves in the foot with cartridges for the N64 and a complicated archetecture and controller. I've always said that Sony never really beat MS or Nintendo. They just won by not doing anything drastically different than what the industry was offering at the the time. Sega and MS were both entertainment companie sthat nkew that growing the industry required risk. Sony has, until virtual reality, never really even tried to grow the indsutry or psuh it forward.
@Compucles6 жыл бұрын
+JazGalaxy The cartridge format wasn't a terrible idea, as it did provide the advantage of much faster load times; and while I do hate the general design of the N64 Controller, I do have to give it props for the analog stick, which provided a massive control advantage for 3D movement over the Playstation and Saturn controllers.
@bellmishpokhe6 жыл бұрын
Really? I loved the N64 controller, but it appears that most did not, so I guess I'm the odd man out...
@Medachod6 жыл бұрын
*+JazGalaxy* The N64 was a genius design. If 3D games failed, you could immediately readjust to a 2D standard, assuming Nintendo decided to make 2D games instead of 3D. And the joystick would remain for those that want 3D. How can anyone call that a bad design? The only _bad_ thing about it is the joystick itself.
@zachy77776 жыл бұрын
You HAVE always said that!
@cloudtx2 жыл бұрын
It truly is unbelievable how Sega rose to have Nintendo on the ropes and actually beat them briefly only to losing it all a few years later. What's perplexing is that if you read the book Console Wars, Nakayama was no doubt the one who sunk Sega's proverbial boat yet he was also the one who chose Tom Kalinske to lead Sega US which was a brilliant move. It makes you wonder if there was pressure from others in Sega that managed to convince him to stop listening to Tom. We will never know.
@Awesomest9153 жыл бұрын
Finally, a “Sega’s biggest mistakes” list that doesn’t involve Sonic ‘06.
@WaterKirby19942 жыл бұрын
Sonic 06 didn't even do anything wrong, it's basically just an epic Sonic Game (like the adventure games) that needed more development time & was released with a lot of problems to an audience that hadn't yet gotten the Adventure Games. Sonic 4 & Sonic Colors were the real games that killed the Sonic Series by starting the Meta Era. 2010s Decade forgot that Sonic was supposed to be cool & made him into a lame parody of himself.
@dinohermann18872 жыл бұрын
@@WaterKirby1994 After Sonic 06, Sega started to cut the budget for future Sonic titles more and more, resulting in games that have not much passion and effort put into it despite a couple gems (like Colors, Generations, Mania and All-Stars Racing). That combined with strict deadlines and the fact that making a ultra fast paced 3D platformer is very difficult and expensive to do correctly, also resulted in a lot of mediocre to bad games in the series, unfortunately.
@WaterKirby19942 жыл бұрын
@@dinohermann1887 Colors & Unmodded Generations weren't Gems & I know that. Of course it isn't just budget reduction, the series was clearly mismanaged & a lot of money got wasted on Boom. Yes that is the problem, 3D Boost insists on having mostly Just Sonic go too fast for the series own good. The series needs to Return to Adventure.
@MrPomegranX5 жыл бұрын
“Mushroom Shaped” How Ironic...
@mistermornevanderberg5 жыл бұрын
Yes, in deed, just ask Mario and Luigi
@mrnukes7975 жыл бұрын
The atomic
@FCT705 жыл бұрын
I was 100% sega loyal. I bought the 32X and the Sega CD. When I saw the price and release time of the Saturn for the first time it gave me pause. I had a conversation with and employee about the forthcoming Sony Playstation and he filled me in on all of the titles that were launching with the Playstation. After getting burned on the 32X, it did not take long before I switched my deposit on the Saturn to Sony and I never looked back.
@vulcanraven97013 жыл бұрын
Sega 32X was awful. It was doomed from the start. Trying to make a stop gap between the Genesis & the Saturn was a horrible idea. They clearly didnt learm from the Sega CDs failure
@FCT703 жыл бұрын
@@vulcanraven9701 100% true but the main reason it was awful was because they basically did not support it and killed it after so short a time frame.
@vulcanraven97013 жыл бұрын
@@FCT70 but its also hard to sell something when the next gen console comes out in JP around same time as 32X comes out. Stop gaps, add ons, etc never pan out
@FCT703 жыл бұрын
@@vulcanraven9701 Agreed, but that isn't the way it was marketed.
@FCT703 жыл бұрын
@Jonathan Rich that’s just wrong on so many levels.
@krisfrederick50014 жыл бұрын
"Whatever loss that we make" now that's a positive way to be.
@andy290819833 жыл бұрын
it's the razor and the blade model. You make a loss on the razor (the hardware) but you make money on the blades (the software).
@LetsGoGetThem4 жыл бұрын
Early E3 look like Smash bros tournaments in 2007
@ElSendai5 жыл бұрын
The people responsible for the conception,approval,marketing and distribution of PS1 deserve a medal. This was by far the most insane, bold and impossible move back in the real console wars days.
@GiordanDiodato Жыл бұрын
the original founder was an idiot though
@HybridAngelZero6 жыл бұрын
I think another huge blunder was the no RPG policy... During the post-FF7 RPG boom in North America. Saturn exclusives like Grandia and the Lunar remakes were ported over to PSone, and those versions would be the only versions released in NA
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
Sony had a no-RPG policy in the US, as well, until FFVII hit. (The only exceptions were Beyond The Beyond, Wild Arms and Suikoden because they used 3D in a way Sony approved of).
@davezanko90513 жыл бұрын
@@JazGalaxy And, of course, it was the same guy behind both policies, Bernie Stolar. The fact is the PSOne sales were not that solid until he was out, and then he goes to Sega and implements the same policies high were even worse for a system that had such a wealth of RPGs to localize. I'm guessing Sega thought they wanted to recapture the cool factor that the PS1 had grabbed from them after they forced Kalinsky out as the fall guy for the fumbled launch, but that wasn't Bernie that created the PlayStation's cool factor. If anything he delayed it. (Conspiracy minded folks say he was sent by Sony to sabotage the Saturn's recovery from its launch missteps, but those are as incoherent and mindless as any conspiracy).
@becomeanolive16374 жыл бұрын
I got the Sega Saturn in 1995, I think it's an underappreciated system, they have some incredibly great titles.
@qvg782 жыл бұрын
Michael Katz and Tom Kalinske were the architects of the success of Sega Genesis in the United States and Sega Japan never wanted to accept it. Later, his pride and one-sided decision-making turned against him.
@chicago27456 жыл бұрын
Sega's Worst mistake, their CEO's combover. 9:00 I would never trust someone who thinks that looks good.
@DeathBringer7696 жыл бұрын
Now the President of the United States has one of the worst combovers in known history, lol.
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
It wasn't their CEO. It was their Chairman and Parent Company CEO.
@patrickbrennan13175 жыл бұрын
Alex Guy combovers are an exercise in denial. Accept reality please.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😃😀
@JustinWhangYt6 жыл бұрын
The 32X version of Doom was the first version I ever played. Sooooo bad. Chaotix was great, though.
@Metallion985 жыл бұрын
You're lucky. I was stuck with the SNES version of Doom. :)
@Doom2pro5 жыл бұрын
I first played Doom on a 90mhz Packard bell PC, when I seen the 32x version I was like wtf is this shit?
@Agent-yw1kj5 жыл бұрын
@@NintendoDude888 Chaotix' is very underrated
@crassterpiece81715 жыл бұрын
@@Doom2pro That was the only way to play DOOM! The 32x add-on was fuckin lame and down played it's edginess.
@fran5678can5 жыл бұрын
@@NintendoDude888 fu** you its great you made a huge mistake,you stupid,you should see that some lost characters were there
@chenzenzo5 жыл бұрын
Damn! That $299 mic drop was straight up masterful!
@RavenJCain3 жыл бұрын
I bought the Saturn at launch. I remember them sending me two free games in the mail out of nowhere. A new version of Virtua Fighter, and I think Daytona. I personally loved the system and put a lot of hours on it.
@BuFFoTheArtClown6 жыл бұрын
1) Sega of Japan 2) Sega of Japan 3) Sega of Japan
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
@hitcharade6 жыл бұрын
Why? Why? Why?
@segaunited38556 жыл бұрын
Sega Enterprises,Ltd in the 80s and 90s was 100% Controlled by CSK Holdings, its Parent Company. SOJ had ZERO corporate power or say. CSK was the one making ill advised business decisions.
@mariajimenafigueroa83116 жыл бұрын
1) Sonic 2006 2) Sonic and The Black Knight 3) Sonic Boom
@Hezkezl6 жыл бұрын
Tornado1994, he's right. The downfall of Sega is mostly Sega of Japan's fault. Read the 'Console Wars' book by Blake J Harris, it goes into some detail over what happened and 90% of it was all SoJ's incompetence.
@DominiqueGendronLanglois6 жыл бұрын
Great video. That Sony moment, Savage AF.
@Andrei32536 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but i think the point 2 is over blown, like we dont know the terms and agreemnts Sony put on Nintendo or Sega to work with them. They are not known as been senerous and rather greedy. Im really glad neither went with Sony.
@segaunited38556 жыл бұрын
Sony was trying to run both out of the console business.
@felipeeduardobravosilva69805 жыл бұрын
as if nintendo and Sega werent trying the same, duh
@Luigiawesome135 жыл бұрын
@@Andrei3253 I've heard from many sources that Sony wanted a lot of control with the console they were developing with Nintendo and even hid a clause in the contract that would permit them to do so. Naturally, that made Nintendo back out. With Sega, it seems SoJ just didn't want to work with them.
@DesertFoxz4 жыл бұрын
These videos you create should be stored in a digital museum
@1rubberduck4 жыл бұрын
My 2 first games back in the time were 'Zelda: a link to the past' and 'Super Mario World'. Now it's almost 2020 and I must admit those 2 games are still listed in my Top 10.
@MostlyPennyCat5 жыл бұрын
I actually met the hardware designers for the Dreamcast, a British team from PowerVR. They said they begged Sega to use DVDs. That they would sell a billion just as DVD players. Nope, no idea why but they were wedded to GD-ROM, maybe they thought it was bespoke so uncopyable.
@RaenYrtham5 жыл бұрын
Sega had a DVD add-on for the dreamcast in development but it was cancelled due to Sega retiring from the hardware market.
@MostlyPennyCat5 жыл бұрын
@@RaenYrtham Which is so obviously a terrible idea, what were they thinking? They weren't thinking of course, that was the problem.
@BlueBlur245 жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPennyCat They were thinking... about egos, not business.
@segaunited38555 жыл бұрын
@@RaenYrtham It wasn't canceled for that reason. Isao Okawa attempted to Dissolved all of SEGA's gaming divisions shortly after taking over as CEO.
@AimForTheBushes9085 жыл бұрын
Wow interesting thanks for sharing!
@jabroni52496 жыл бұрын
Love the research and effort that you put in your vids. Always a fan bro..thanks.
@retrospiel6 жыл бұрын
No research. Just regurgitating what other youtubers already falsely claimed.
@Jakeeenator6 жыл бұрын
Someones salty.
@milkweedreflections6 жыл бұрын
Amongst channels like this, Gaming Historian is easily the best.
@retrospiel6 жыл бұрын
In a land of the blind the one-eyed is king. I wish he'd stick to facts.
@stevesstuff14506 жыл бұрын
retrospiel: YOUR facts, and research sources are...?
@GT-pl1wx5 жыл бұрын
Still love to see the stories about consoles. I was infected was that virus in the early nineties and just cannot stop playing!
@billlumbergh43604 жыл бұрын
Love how Gaming Historian sounds like Tobias Fünke
@themarquee14975 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, this explains so much! My childhood was Sega over Nintendo and I was always sad the company fell so hard. Now I understand why.
@christopherlockery96295 жыл бұрын
Amen bro :-(
@AltoAngelo4 жыл бұрын
Same here bro... Until this day I am a Sega Saturn fan
@dregoro69494 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was pretty devastated when it happened... I was sure the better would stick around. I never considered a console war WITHOUT Sega!
@spursdynasty73784 жыл бұрын
Me too ! I've regretted it since. I missed playing Mario in the 80s. But after i started working i bought the N64 and was finally on board. The Dreamcast was a great system though !
@atre57634 жыл бұрын
Eww don’t go to sega
@frozenaorta6 жыл бұрын
"Sony doesn't know how to make hardware." WTF? Lol. I know this was the 90's, but Sony was killing it with stuff like their Walkman and Discman for the last decade. Good call, Sega of Japan!
@PixelatedH2O6 жыл бұрын
they also were a pretty popular TV brand back in the day
@frozenaorta6 жыл бұрын
Adam Porter Yep. Until about the mid 2000's, they were a top dog with Philips/Magnavox. Then Samsung and LG appeared.
@Medachod6 жыл бұрын
SEGA of Japan was ran by a man-child.
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
You clearly don't understand.
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
Nope. None of this was SEGA of Japan's fault. Plus, I'm GLAD SEGA of Japan turned Sony down. Had they listened and agreed to partnership, Sony would have destroyed the good fortunes of both SEGA and Nintendo and would have destroyed BOTH companies. Dreamcast would have NEVER been made, Nintendo 64 wouldn't have saw light of day as by 2000, BOTH SEGA AND Nintendo would have stopped making consoles and would have be brought out by Sony as subsidiaries BOTH developing games for PlayStation 2. Sony wanted to MONOPOLIZE the gaming market. They wanted to defeat BOTH Nintendo and SEGA.
@l1uchill2 жыл бұрын
As a Sega Kid I was devastated when Sega said they wouldn't be making consoles anymore. Being a kid I never knew the full story of the downfall of the company but now I know thanks Norm! This was an amazing video and some great Content!
@matthybel9554 жыл бұрын
Should've NEVER STOPPED MAKING THE GENESIS. that was and still was the Best system Sega ever made
@oh-totoro6 жыл бұрын
I know you mention it briefly, but I think the lack of DVD playback on the Dreamcast was a much more significant mistake than things like the 32x, and was the final nail in SEGA's coffin. When the PS2 was released, DVD players were as expensive as the PS2, and many people bought a PS2 simply because it could play DVDs, and having a games console included was just a bonus.
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
I don't beleive you can call it a "mistake". It simply wasn't an option. The Dreamcast launched a year before the PS2, and Sony was only able to prodide the DVD players in the PS2 becuase of their leverage as a company that made DVD players. Sony would never have had that option. (Any product that includes a DVD player has to include the license, which adds extra cost to the unit. Sony got around that because they were basically paying themselves. MS got around it by disabling the DVd feature in the Xbox until you bought a seperate device, the remote, that allowed you to play DVDs)
@briansivley20016 жыл бұрын
I think I heard somewhere that Sega was planning on adding a DVD Drive to the Sega Dreamcast but it was too late. Don't quote me on it because it's very vague in my memory.
@Compucles6 жыл бұрын
It wasn't that big of a deathblow on its own. After all, the Nintendo GameCube didn't have a DVD player either, and it remained decently competitive. The GameCube probably would've done quite a bit better if it did have one, but Nintendo did at least take the opportunity to take a lesson from the Dreamcast by using an exclusive disc format that greatly helped prevent piracy. If they weren't going to include DVD playback anyway, that was at least the next best option.
@oh-totoro6 жыл бұрын
Decently competitive? 155 million PS2 sales versus 22 million GameCube sales. A DVD player was a HUGE deal at the time. Heck, you used to be able to get PS2 bundles with DVD movies instead of games! That's how important the DVD player was on the PS2.
@Compucles6 жыл бұрын
Those 22 million sales are still a decent amount by normal standards that the Dreamcast could never have dreamed of reaching. The XBox also had a DVD player and only sold 24 million. The PS2 just dominated everything else that generation.
@sirekumasutra70226 жыл бұрын
For those curious, favoring in inflation that $399 would equal to $643.50 to today's money. Also funny how Sony would screw themselves at first with the PS3 announcement of the price of 599 US dollars. That 299 comment is still funny as Hell.
@PeteSkerritt6 жыл бұрын
Sire Kumasutra Steve Race’s “$299” speech is still one of the most epic moments in E3 history. It really doomed the Saturn before the Gen5 console war began.
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
...yeah. But you have to remember that Sega had internal memory to save games to where the PS1 was the first console to demand that the player buy a memory card just to save a game. The Saturn also came with the pack-in game Virtua Fighter (which had it's own problems) where the PS1 came with nothing but a demo disk. So really the only reason the PS1 sold for 299 was because it was the first console to begin selling crap piecemeal in order to lower the price. It was a huge departure from the SNES, which came with 2 contorllers and Mario World right out of the box.
@RetroCheater816 жыл бұрын
considering blu ray players cost 800 dollars at the time a 499 20GB PS3 wasnt a bad deal.
@jrwizz6 жыл бұрын
JazGalaxy thats a great point. Sony just tricked the sheep into thinking they were getting a deal
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
J.R. Wizzle : Yeah, I mean, it was smart of Sony. And it became the defacto way the industry works now. Even MS made a major mis-step by packing in the Kinect and charging a higher price than Sony's PS4 (which came with their standard nothing.). But I still remember getting a PS1 for Christmas and then having to explain to my parents that I now needed to get a memory card, another controller so my brother could play, and a game. It wasn't a HUGE deal for my family, but having to spend an extra 100 dollars they hadn't counted on could have been a huge deal for most families. "Oh, you mean that 300 dollar thing we just bought does absolutely nothing until we spend more money? And you want to go right now because if not then you got nothing for Christmas? Great. Thanks Sony."
@romanprokhorov38754 жыл бұрын
That is a sad story, really. Sega Dreamcast is to this day one of my favourite consoles.
@hypernova_1195 жыл бұрын
7:35 This situation reminds me of when Nickelodeon rejected Adventure Time.
@baldyairkid18314 жыл бұрын
To be fair, if Nickelodeon picked up Adventure Time they probably would've instantly cancelled it because of "If it ain't doing Spongebob numbers, kill it." mentality they have
@crudecube6 жыл бұрын
"Mommy, what are those 2 SEGA machines doing?" "They're making an arcade system, dear"
@shadeknight65376 жыл бұрын
And speaking of Stolar, let's talk about this guy for a bit. When the Playstation launched in America, it had a rocky start. Sony had hired Stolar as the head of Sony Computer Entertainment of America, and the guy proceeded to veto all sorts of games, mainly 2D games and JRPG localization, in favor of sports titles. In fact, we almost never got Final Fantasy 7 in America thanks to this guy. Thankfully, Sony quickly caught on to him, and soon fired him and reversed his policies, allowing a steady and healthy stream of games to once again flow into the console's market. But then, SEGA of America not only decided to hire the guy fresh after being fired at Sony, they express made him the CEO of the company. If the botched American launch of the Saturn was the first nail in the coffin for the console, then Stolar was definitely the last. He pulled the exact same draconian policies he did at Sony, vetoing a number of quality 2D titles, which were unquestionably the best titles for the system, and downplaying the Saturn as dead in the water. Not only did his policies piss what was left of SEGA's fanbase at the time, it also drove practically all American third party developers who were still willing to develop game for the system to boycott the Saturn altogether, perhaps even SEGA as a whole. In a short amount of time, Stolar effectively destroyed SEGA's reputation of being a much more supportive and third-party friendly platform than Nintendo, a reputation it had worked on building for years. Stolar may not have been the sole contributor to the Saturn's downfall; from what I hear, the team responsible to market the system was totally incompetent, apparently unaware that they were trying to advertise a video game system, and the complexity of the hardware itself, as you mentioned in the video, made it difficult to program quality games for the system, doubly so when it wasn't designed to handle 3D graphics in an era where polygonal graphics was becoming all the rage. However, the fact that SEGA completely overlooked the man's past history when they hired him, immediately replaced the far more competent and savvy Tom Kalinsky as the head of SEGA of America with him, and allowed him to stay in power until around the Dreamcast's launch, is truly mind-boggling, and a testament of SEGA's utter ineptitude in managing the company from the mid-90's onward. Something, I feel, they still haven't quite learned yet.
@MonCappy6 жыл бұрын
I think Stolar might be the reason Working Designs started developing titles for the original Playstation. His hard line against niche 2D games and RPG's drove them into the arms of Sony. Not that Working Designs was pure as the driven snow, mind.
@Freez_Izzy6 жыл бұрын
He just like Tom Kalinske but Flip-Flopped. :D
@Medachod6 жыл бұрын
Bernie Stolar is worse than the video game crash itself. He could've made another one if he was head of what video games could ever come over to America altogether. What an idiot this guy is. The CD and Saturn still have amazing games, but only in Japan. Well, actually, the CD surprisingly has a lot of localized ones.
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
You are 90%, Here's EVERYTHING that Stolar did. He personally HATED the Saturn: segareniassance.blogspot.com/2016/03/op-ed-bernie-stolar-and-isao-okawa-dumb.html#comment-form However, Saturn was ALWAYS designed as a 3D System. The common assumption it wasn't. is incorrect.
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
Not SEGA. CSK. Saturn wasn't poorly designed. It was in fact the most ADVANCED and brilliantly designed Console of the 5th Gen. CSK forced it into production shortly after SEGA had scrapped its planned Jupiter console in mid 1993. And SEGA didn't come to late with the Master System. They entered in with the SG-1000 in 1983. Master System was blocked from getting software support by Nintendo of America. It's CEO Minoru Arikawa LOCKED developers UNDER CONTRACT. They weren't even allowed to make games for other home consoles.
@DarrenBoxhall5 жыл бұрын
The Dreamcast is still my favourite console. Soooo much fun and memories
@perfectlyslicedegg33484 жыл бұрын
Same here man.
@juniorsanchez74413 жыл бұрын
4 controller ports out the box, The VMU and so many hidden gems like Ooga Booga and Armada... just amazing
@ferox9655 жыл бұрын
Great show. Had no idea that Sega and Sony were originally working together.
@A_Man_In_His_Van5 жыл бұрын
Sega's biggest problems were the egos of the Japanese management.
@ClearSora6 жыл бұрын
Seems like Sega of Japan was always the road blocker to the Success of Sega in general. All because of SoJ being jealous of SoA's success with the genesis in America. Smh :/
@JazGalaxy6 жыл бұрын
They didn't really understand it. It takes a lot to run a business in a foreign country. Microsoft has made similar problematic decisions in Japan. Their Xbox slogan was "Jump In" which they demanded be used in all territories for branding "synergy". But taht's a phrase that, despite Japan TELLING THEM SO, is a colloquialism that makes no sense in Japan. So MS marketing slogan and commercials in Japan were basically gibberish. It would be like if MS sold the Xbox One X with the slogan "XBOX ONE X! STAND OVER!"
@retrospiel6 жыл бұрын
Only if you get all your information from youtube.
@ClearSora6 жыл бұрын
retrospiel I do further research not just from KZbin but as well as talking on forums with others. Granted SoA messed up at times as well (hiring Bernie Stolar), but SoJ really showed their colors.
@retrospiel6 жыл бұрын
I was a Sega fan in the 80s and early 90s (still am), and the only time I really hated them was under Kalinske.
@CybernikTheHedgehog6 жыл бұрын
They are also the reason why Sonic underground was a terrible show, look up "5 fingers censorship japan" and guess what caused Sonic underground to suck.
@Bluethunderofficial2 жыл бұрын
I never knew I was incredibly interested in this sort of information. This is awesomely documented so I think that's a huge part of the interest I have. Please keep making such videos :).
@aetheralmeowstic23923 жыл бұрын
The support part at the end reminds me of PBS' "made possible by viewers like you" message.
@AVGNROCKS19966 жыл бұрын
So from what I’m hearing, all of Sega’s mistakes can be summed up as: SOJ: I have an amazing strategy to fuck over everything we’ve built and ruin the company . SOA: No that’s a terrible idea. Don’t do it SOJ: How ‘bout I do, anyway *jingle*
@uchillama81896 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Avenger basically.
@pokechatter6 жыл бұрын
They should have hired the Sony Samurai.
@SomeOrangeCat6 жыл бұрын
This is the head of the nail. As you can see it has been brutally destroyed, because you hit it so hard.
@SkynetCyb6 жыл бұрын
From what I read, it's basically always the japanese companies that have a hard time to adapt and stop good ideas in their tracks
@Medachod6 жыл бұрын
If Nintendo and Sony actually teamed up, SEGA would've died before the Saturn came to be. And with discs. If SEGA and Sony teamed up, Nintendo still would've put up a fight. Their first-party games are still considered the best, even today.
@Shikaku113736 жыл бұрын
Sadly Sega's greatest enemy was it's self.
@adamhovey4076 жыл бұрын
Gabriel C. Yep, and that's what killed my beloved Dreamcast
@orcaninjagoesrambo67466 жыл бұрын
or the president of the sega of japan
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
Nope. You got it all wrong.
@jsttv3 жыл бұрын
You are your worst enemy.
@statusquo95204 жыл бұрын
Dreamcast is a great console, I really enjoyed Soul Calibur on that one.
@dwong983 жыл бұрын
You can play the latest version on the PS4
@noahscornerofnostalgia53642 ай бұрын
Before it’s surprise launch, the Sega Saturn was originally gonna launch in NA on September 2, 1995 (Saturnday)
@gamebros84245 жыл бұрын
Dream Cast was the best console Sega ever made it was to far ahead of its time.
@poswm5 жыл бұрын
That controller was meh though.
@gamebros84245 жыл бұрын
@@poswm dude the memory card that was inside of the controller had mini games that you could take with you where ever you went and helped you level up in the games when you put the memory back in the controller.
@poswm5 жыл бұрын
@@gamebros8424 Ergonomics is the most important part of a controller to me. I hated that wire being on the wrong end of it. It always tugged tge controller out of my hands.
@gamebros84245 жыл бұрын
@@poswm Xbox took Dream Cast's controller design and aplied it to the Xbox controller
@poswm5 жыл бұрын
@@gamebros8424 the cable on the wrong end drives me nuts
@sarahgrignonmoquin81015 жыл бұрын
SEGA's logo still looks d0pe tho
@mynameismmandimheretosay79794 жыл бұрын
yes i do like the spiky rat’s word lines as well
@hypergoon11524 жыл бұрын
ikr.
@YaowBucketHEAD4 жыл бұрын
Best logo in the video game industry.
@chidori72344 жыл бұрын
SWEGTA
@japhreal3 жыл бұрын
7:45 many years later Sega of japan: so we just make games... wow
@dogsbreakfast49524 жыл бұрын
Dam, props to PlayStation, they really showed them and Nintendo!
@sebastianguerrero66174 жыл бұрын
Not really within 10 days because they're still in the game and have done better In a lot of areas
3 жыл бұрын
Its still amazing how PS1 just entered the console industry and then immediately mopped the floor with Sega and Nintendo
@edwang89753 жыл бұрын
Yes
@wasd____5 жыл бұрын
I'm noticing a theme, and it seems to be this: Sega's biggest mistake was Sega of Japan.
@therealrobbdee6724 жыл бұрын
I think the two huge cultural differences made a huge impact! Also, i believe Japanese are very arrogant people w huge egos in business. Broad general statement. Think it holds true in the demise of their company in these incidences tho
@jamm6_5144 жыл бұрын
@@therealrobbdee672 i mean, the japanese aren't really generally like that and it was more of a sega of japan issue since nintendo, while still having short commings, didn't have to go through half sega went through, also we could talk about sony which itself is a japanese company
@therealrobbdee6724 жыл бұрын
@@jamm6_514 i didn't know that! All three were/are major entities in their own right(sp). Can't say i didn't dig on both Nintendo and Sega!
@yamatotakeru90784 жыл бұрын
So true!
@blairurquhart45274 жыл бұрын
Cultural differences did play role but it mostly down to bad management the Sega CD should not being released so fast with mostly terrible games they could have easily made decent or at least okay money from it and give it time to develop . Once that was done sell the Saturn.
@Jooeffoh5 жыл бұрын
Sony came along with the playstation in 95 and kicked everyone in the balls. Some recovered and some didn't. I remember it all so well!
@beachlife29685 жыл бұрын
Remember playing Tekken and ridge racer at launch and these games were graphically beyond anything i had seen on console.
@denimchicken1044 жыл бұрын
Sega’s balls ruptured, and they decided to kill themselves. Nintendo’s balls ruptured, and they said “fine, whatever. I’m a girl now!”
@dannyrvt69243 жыл бұрын
I’m honestly surprised Nintendo survived that era. It was the only company to stick with cartridges and they probably would’ve died out if Sega didn’t shoot themselves in the foot...
@KHMakerD3 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrvt6924 Nintendo has dodged death several times. 😂😂
@Oturan202 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrvt6924 If the Wii hadn't been the huge success it was Nintendo would've gone the way of Sega.
@ThaoNguyen-dp9zc5 жыл бұрын
9:00 that combover look is to real 🤣🤣
@qhorton67432 жыл бұрын
I think Console Wars (Sega v Nintendo) and Slugfest (Marvel v DC) are two of my favorite sagas and I absolutely cannot get enough of these types of videos and tidbits. Well done!
@moviemetalhead6 жыл бұрын
Poor Sega, you fell on your own sword.
@danielthomas71936 жыл бұрын
Well one of many blunders for the Saturn: no real Sonic game. The delays and eventual cancellation of Sonic Xtreme. Sonic was a big part of the Genesis' success after all.
@HeathenDance6 жыл бұрын
True fact. When they decided to pack the first Sonic with the system it's when the sales amplified big time.
@scarffoxandfriends94016 жыл бұрын
i mean, that's not always bed, Nintendo stop making major games for the wiiu so they could have a better launch with the switch
@Medachod6 жыл бұрын
*+ScarfFox and Friends* Completely different case.
@scarffoxandfriends94016 жыл бұрын
not really
@Tornado19946 жыл бұрын
Xtreme was never meant for the Saturn. At all. There WAS a Saturn exclusive title in development during Early 1996 called "Sonic Pool/Sonic Saturn". Alas, STI and Bernie Stolar ordered it cancelled.
@a.liguria26983 жыл бұрын
Never has been the motto "you are your biggest enemy" any truer than in SEGA's case...
@MrAndersonAFK Жыл бұрын
@ 9:50 when you said "Software Etc" I had immediate nostalgia I used to always go there as a kid until it eventually turned into a gamestop
@Machtyn6 жыл бұрын
Dang... Sony had the mic drop before that became a buzz word
@ModPallet6 жыл бұрын
$599 us dollars
@jeremyabbott45376 жыл бұрын
So here's this giant enemy crab...
@GiordanDiodato6 жыл бұрын
but... 299 without games or memory cards lol
@asifmetal6666 жыл бұрын
Still the best hardware for that generation
@alannigenda39206 жыл бұрын
dang...
@Euroviking865 жыл бұрын
I was 14 when the Dreamcast came out and despite never actually getting it, I loved playing it (got kicked out of the store one time for playing too much). My classmates, though? "I'm not gonna buy that, don't you know the PS2 is coming out soon?" Pure, blind hype in Sony's favor destroyed the Dreamcast.
@danejurus695 жыл бұрын
The Dreamcast is awesome. I still play it to this day.
@TheLegendInYou4 жыл бұрын
Good. Sega was greedy. Got the genesis and sonic kept freezing. I returned it and got a Nintendo with DK country. Best game decision ever. Sega was crap hardware.
@koolmckool70394 жыл бұрын
@@TheLegendInYou That seems to be an issue specific to yours. Most Genesis worked really well.
@spursdynasty73784 жыл бұрын
My Genesis never gave me a problem. For a while the Dreamcast was superior to PS1 but we all knew that the PS2 was going to beat the crap out of it in every way imaginable!
@kyle8574 жыл бұрын
I was also 14 and got it on launch. Loved every day of that systems 365 day life.
@lonecom6853 жыл бұрын
You don't have to rival Nintendo if you rival yourself. STONKS!
@cruiselifeeric2 жыл бұрын
Growing up during the 90s.... I didn't know a single kid that had a sega saturn. I don't think we ever heard all that much about it. Towards the end of the 90s, everyone wanted either an N64 or PS1.