Can you replace a carburetor with a fuel injector?

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@redderz69
@redderz69 2 жыл бұрын
Try adding a vacuum reference from the inlet manifold to the fuel pressure regulator to increase fuel pressure as you open the throttle.
@ryanjames170
@ryanjames170 2 жыл бұрын
good idea!
@kirilakmadjov8307
@kirilakmadjov8307 2 жыл бұрын
You mean decrease as it will create more vacuum under load
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 2 жыл бұрын
That's what I was just going to say. That should increase fuel pressure by about 10 PSI under full load compared to at idle. Not nearly enough to make this setup to work properly by itself, but it should help a bit.
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 2 жыл бұрын
@@kirilakmadjov8307 Adding a vacuum reference would INCREASE fuel pressure under load. Intake manifold vacuum DECREASES under load.
@kirilakmadjov8307
@kirilakmadjov8307 2 жыл бұрын
@@averyalexander2303 you were right i did my research.But yeah at the end of the day he needs a reference for that fuel pressure regulator in order to get it to work smoother
@notsponsored103
@notsponsored103 2 жыл бұрын
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@jwalster9412
@jwalster9412 2 жыл бұрын
"teaching out apprenticeship student how to make a I8 Lada with SPFI and tank tracks"
@BigSteve_Gaming187
@BigSteve_Gaming187 2 жыл бұрын
You are certainly teaching that younger generation a very very important skill set that will never ever be useless. Fabrication is a field that is extremely valuable to have.
@BigSteve_Gaming187
@BigSteve_Gaming187 2 жыл бұрын
@@manitoba-op4jx to each is own...
@chasemartin4450
@chasemartin4450 2 жыл бұрын
@@manitoba-op4jx Who says you can't do both?
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable Жыл бұрын
@@chasemartin4450 Because narcissists are not capable of creative fabrication. They would be too busy thinking they were right even tho it doesn’t work
@MeatsackMiracle
@MeatsackMiracle Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but why would you teach anyone how NOT to do a proven technology? Kinda like teaching someone it's OK to drink acid as long as you have asbestos toilet paper!
@BigSteve_Gaming187
@BigSteve_Gaming187 Жыл бұрын
@@MeatsackMiracle teaching a younger group how to utilize tools and utilize what they have lying around to achieve something is extremely helpful in life. I've McGuivered my way out of problems so many times which has saved so much money. Understand they are having fun aside from their normal jobs which last I checked isn't a bad thing. Being so anal about it really shows what a dull life you must live...
@JamesBrown-gf6sc
@JamesBrown-gf6sc 2 жыл бұрын
I hope they don't stop broadcasting your channel! Your content is amazing!! Much love from the USA.
@enochpowellslibrarian5595
@enochpowellslibrarian5595 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 👍
@arib515
@arib515 2 жыл бұрын
November Alpha Tango Oscar can eat a big long fatty if they do
@jwalster9412
@jwalster9412 2 жыл бұрын
@@arib515 thanks for the explanation.
@dondmon96
@dondmon96 2 жыл бұрын
@@jwalster9412 He's saying NATO can eat a big.......
@arib515
@arib515 2 жыл бұрын
@@jwalster9412 it is already explained
@hg60justice
@hg60justice 2 жыл бұрын
your injector pulse is controlled by the distrbutor, so the injector is open the same amount of time for each rotation. so it's rich at idle, and lean at speed. only variation you can really do is pressure. vary it by speed, and you should be able to control mixture %.
@FrankFactor
@FrankFactor 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the issue. Injector pulse width or pressure needs to be changed with engine speed.
@scattkiwiman
@scattkiwiman 2 жыл бұрын
indeed, have pulse width vs rpm but no pulse width vs load (manifold pressure). Should have a lambda controller that gives feedback to a fuel pressure regulator or pulse width adjustment (and above that an acceleration enrichment and warmup enrichment)
@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992
@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992 2 жыл бұрын
Eliminate the vacuum advance?
@ReneSchickbauer
@ReneSchickbauer 2 жыл бұрын
@@scattkiwiman No need for a "proper" controller. An Atmel micro with a MOSFET and a few other components should do the trick nicely. If it weren't for the, uhm, "current political situation", i'd be able to slap together a circuit and have it send off within a couple of weeks.
@cars4477
@cars4477 2 жыл бұрын
vacuum reference fpr would make this run way better. maybe a properly sized injector would ease tuning lol
@thefreedomguyuk
@thefreedomguyuk 2 жыл бұрын
No problem, we used to call them single point injection systems. You can even regulate the fuel flow mechanically.
@applepoop10
@applepoop10 2 жыл бұрын
It’s called TBI (Throttle Body Injection).
@1995KML
@1995KML 2 жыл бұрын
@@applepoop10 In Europe it was called SPI, single point injection
@Johna130
@Johna130 2 жыл бұрын
@@1995KML I always new it as single point injection here in the uk.
@herbienbrian2
@herbienbrian2 2 жыл бұрын
@@1995KML TBI in America.
@ATSNorthernMI
@ATSNorthernMI 2 жыл бұрын
GM did this for years even after everyone else went to SFI and MPI.
@arcopierik3894
@arcopierik3894 2 жыл бұрын
What I would like to see is whether you can run an ordinary standard engine on hydrogen.Otherwise a great channel, and keep up the fun content. Greetings from the Netherlands.
@cliffcorbitt9494
@cliffcorbitt9494 2 жыл бұрын
They've done just about everything including running the car on wood
@KekusMagnus
@KekusMagnus 2 жыл бұрын
you absolutely can, it's the same procedure as making it run on propane, you just need to set the air-fuel mixture right
@CalGames
@CalGames 2 жыл бұрын
Eens
@cb6112
@cb6112 2 жыл бұрын
You can't. All the tolerances would need to be much much tighter. Toyota can bearly get it to work with a whole team of engineers on the issue. And even then it BEARLY works
@paky66
@paky66 2 жыл бұрын
@@cb6112 the problem is stopping the process fast after engine switch-off. It runs on hydrogen just like on LPG
@mmorgz6622
@mmorgz6622 2 жыл бұрын
In 1988 ford autralia did this for the EA falcon and called it CPI (centerpoint injection). It was 2 fuel injectors in the center of a throttle body. It wasnt terrible but also no great. It was used until 1992 and succeeded by MPI in the EB falcon. You wont get it running spot on without a computer to change the injector pulse so its going be fine at idle and lean out at revs or flood at idle and be fine in the revs. The points are consistant and when you rev, the points contact is shorter so injector will have shorter pulse when it needs to have longer. Basically, find a method to increase the injector pulse time the faster the engine revs.
@modelnutty6503
@modelnutty6503 2 жыл бұрын
"H G" pointed the right direction for a setup like this, needs variable fuel pressure, low for slow, high for fast. a regulator connected to the throttle maybe?
@colevarela7320
@colevarela7320 2 жыл бұрын
They used cpi in the states too
@gfalcon1375
@gfalcon1375 2 жыл бұрын
The 1988 EA falcon also had multi point fuel injection, atleast on the S variant
@mmorgz6622
@mmorgz6622 2 жыл бұрын
@@gfalcon1375 yep, and also I believe the fairlanes and fairlane Ghia's. Optional on Fairmont's. I had a Fairmont Ghia with CPI.
@PapiDoesIt
@PapiDoesIt 2 жыл бұрын
Ford USA did this on the 302 in the Crown Victoria.
@honadef
@honadef 2 жыл бұрын
can your next video be "replacing Ukraine invasion with Peace"
@EricErnst
@EricErnst 2 жыл бұрын
I like that you have more injection events as the rpms increase, but the injector "on" time decreases at the same time. I think you need an accelerator pump feature to squirt fuel when you move the gas pedal. I don't think the throttle body is too big. It's just a matter of incorrect fueling for the amount of air being ingested. A vacuum referenced fuel pressure regulator can also help reduce fuel pressure to lean out the mixture during idle and light cruise but add fuel pressure as rpms increase. Very cool concept and it could work well with a few refinements.
@vxltxrr4dd
@vxltxrr4dd 9 ай бұрын
I did not even realize the "on" time thing. You are smart.
@ChiEKKUsama
@ChiEKKUsama 2 жыл бұрын
This is basically Throttle-body Injection (TBI); some early 90s cars had this for a few years.
@normanguzman417
@normanguzman417 2 жыл бұрын
Except TBI is computer controlled. This is mechanical controlled.
@TestECull
@TestECull 2 жыл бұрын
@@normanguzman417 fuel injection doesn't need to becomputer controlled to be called fuel injection. Chevrolet sold a couple corvettes in the 1950s with a fully MECHANICAL port FI system fitted, something German cars have fiddled with for decades as well. This is still TBI.
@TestECull
@TestECull 2 жыл бұрын
@Byw That's only because mechanical anything is a bad word these days and we've been dealing with computerized cars for over 30 years. Doesn't change what words mean. TBI is TBI regardless of whether the fuel injection is controlled by a computer, some clever valving, or hacked out of an old points distributor by a bunch of half-drunk russians in a back alley workshop. Your engine is MPI if it has fuel injectors at multiple points along the intake path. MPI is just multi-point injection. It's not CMPI or EMPI, it's just MPI. Multi-Point Injection. Diesel engines going back over a hundred years have MPI on them; any diesel engine with more than one cylinder will have MPI regardless of its age by virtue of how diesel engines function. Even some TBI systems are also MPI; GM had a habit of putting 8 injectors on one throttle body for their V8s in the early 90s before they finally gave up on TBI entirely and put the injectors at the intake ports.
@TestECull
@TestECull 2 жыл бұрын
@GGALLIN1776 That's why I stick to carburetted rigs. Computers fucking suck.
@TestECull
@TestECull 2 жыл бұрын
@GGALLIN1776 Coulda swore GM dropped that shit like a bad habit when they switched over to OBD-II in 1996. No matter, those TBI systems are easy fixes when they act up. Just rip the throttle body off, yeet it into the nearest 'art' bin, and install a 2bbl carb + fuel pressure regulator.
@ecaparts
@ecaparts 2 жыл бұрын
Great experiment, good job guys! Of course you really need to increase the 'ON' time of the injector during acceleration and reduce it during idle. Without any way to do that, the injector will always provide too much fuel at idle (rich) and way too lean at high RPMs. Keeping with a mechanical setup, you can improve this with a fuel pressure regulator with a vacuum port (this responds to engine vacuum to adjust pressure). At idle the throttle plate is mostly closed to give high manifold vacuum, this will connect to the fuel pressure regulator and responds by lowering the fuel pressure. Given the injector is pulsed the same amount, but with less fuel pressure, the result will help correct the rich condition during idle. During higher RPMs, of course the open throttle plate will reduce engine manifold vacuum to almost zero and the fuel pressure regulator will respond by increasing the fuel pressure. Again, assuming the injector pulse width is constant, by increasing the fuel pressure during acceleration will cause an increased fuel flow and help correct for a lean condition at this time...
@blackterminal
@blackterminal 2 жыл бұрын
You are very knowledgeable
@inmyopinion6836
@inmyopinion6836 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think my idea would solve your issues ? Big Dan 1 second ago Great video. I wonder if an injector would work through a Mikuni carburetor. Perhaps the slide could control the injector jetting and the carb act as the throttle body. It may atomize better, and feed a 4 cylinder engine with a 1 cylinder fuel supply.
@teslatrooper85
@teslatrooper85 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, you just described the K-Jetronic :D
@HR15DE
@HR15DE 2 жыл бұрын
I wish they would make a follow up video fixing the leaning issues and we would see a fuel injected high rpm lada
@izaacbanks3337
@izaacbanks3337 2 жыл бұрын
@@teslatrooper85 l jetronic is kinda similar
@kyleb3293
@kyleb3293 2 жыл бұрын
💙💛💙💛💙Ukraine!💛💙💛💙💛
@fersunk
@fersunk 2 жыл бұрын
At low RPM the distributor close for more mS the break points, at higher RPM is less mS per revolution. That's why the engine is lean at high RPM (less mS for the injector less fuel) but very rich at idle
@Fizzer99
@Fizzer99 2 жыл бұрын
exactly!
@bunnythekid
@bunnythekid 2 жыл бұрын
They could use the intake manifold with a vacuum switch to connect / disconnect in capacitor across the fuel power supply and ground it should smooth the pulses a little and open the injector a bit longer. Capacitor size would be critical... otherwise it would either be useless or just open up completely at part throttle haha. Instant dragster style fuel injection...
@Mechagnostic
@Mechagnostic 2 жыл бұрын
Adjustable Variable rate FPR could resove this.
@Jedendwa0
@Jedendwa0 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you really know that the Russian military is killing children and women in Ukraine?
@bunnythekid
@bunnythekid 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, thinking about it, they should just get rid of the throttle body, tune the pressure to give optimum fuel at max revs and use the clutch as the new throttle. Problem solved.
@codemiesterbeats
@codemiesterbeats Жыл бұрын
I like this sort of "Mad Max" type thing... you never know if the situation might call for a crazy/simple solution. Years ago I put a turbo on my car (a car that is rarely if ever turbo charged) and couldn't replace the injectors to get more fuel but I had not considered at the time adding a 5th auxiliary injector. It was actually fairly common practice on cars with the same engine but I wasn't aware.
@florinadrian7957
@florinadrian7957 2 жыл бұрын
Can you replace Putin with a decent lieder ?
@BoilingBroth
@BoilingBroth 2 жыл бұрын
No politics, just the best experiments you could imagine. Amazing videos and narration.
@jdmking4776
@jdmking4776 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah if only BMI could keep his mouth quite in the comments about it.
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 2 жыл бұрын
War isn't politics.
@every-istand-ophobe6320
@every-istand-ophobe6320 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiscoFang no? What is it? Because it seems like only politicians make money from it.
@DiscoFang
@DiscoFang 2 жыл бұрын
@@every-istand-ophobe6320 War is death and terror. But that’s an inarticulate understatement.
@every-istand-ophobe6320
@every-istand-ophobe6320 2 жыл бұрын
@@DiscoFang I know what war is. I also know who suffers and who profits. I also know you won't get the truth from any mainstream media or social media. I guarantee that every politician bought oil and gas stocks before this happened.
@GoatPrint
@GoatPrint 2 жыл бұрын
It's good you guys are handy, you'll probably need to be for the next while.
@JacobTechShit
@JacobTechShit 2 жыл бұрын
For sure
@Xantec
@Xantec 2 жыл бұрын
nice to see some sanity coming out of Russia
@mirangermanll
@mirangermanll 2 жыл бұрын
Avoiding the politics of - ANY, country..... Keeps ones sanity! js lol
@BJ9499
@BJ9499 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid! Greetings from Ukraine!
@dodgydruid
@dodgydruid 2 жыл бұрын
We had single point injection systems on many British cars, even the humble classic Mini had a single point injection system that squirted into the inlet manifold, Ford Sierra's and Granadas baser models had SPI and Rover cars from the 213 to the 820 had SPI systems too.
@stephencresswell4760
@stephencresswell4760 2 жыл бұрын
My Fiesta had it. Worked great.
@paulwisdom5383
@paulwisdom5383 2 жыл бұрын
Same with my old Fiat Cinquecento and Seicento
@watahyahknow
@watahyahknow 2 жыл бұрын
yes you can there called tbi or trottle body injection , been used on production cars as a cheaper option to mulipoint fuel injection they still use a computer and lambda sonde to measure the fuel ratio you probably need to base the fuelpressure of the manifold vacuum to get it to run ok enough
@jwalster9412
@jwalster9412 2 жыл бұрын
AKS Single point Fuels injection.
@mmorgz6622
@mmorgz6622 2 жыл бұрын
AKA Center Point Injection
@gregpanek523
@gregpanek523 2 жыл бұрын
As your country gets shut off from the rest of the planet, every video of yours I fear will be the last I see. I really enjoy your videos, they make me laugh and learn a few things too! The whole situation sucks. Everybody gets hurt, there is no winners. See you on your next video, I hope.
@shaneeslick
@shaneeslick 7 ай бұрын
G'day Garage54 & BMI, I used to own a 1990 Suzuki Swift GLX, it had the G16B [Single Cam 16V] it had a Single Injector with a Downdraught Throttlebody + Airfilter setup that looked like a Carburettor.
@curator23
@curator23 2 жыл бұрын
If you can do basic electronics, a mosfet and an NE555 set to one-shot mode, triggered by the distributer and pulse length controlled by a variable resistor connected to the throttle input would give you some control of mixture without needing an ECU. On the other hand, it's probably easier to setup an arduino to do the same thing, and would be easy to tune.
@kennysboat4432
@kennysboat4432 Жыл бұрын
Yep, arduino controlling relays/mosfets connected to the injector. Also arduino controlling a pwm servo controlling the throttle body. Encoders detecting rpm, maf detecting airflow to allow for calculations on injection output.
@twanheijkoop6753
@twanheijkoop6753 11 ай бұрын
​@@kennysboat4432so basically a speeduino.
@enochpowellslibrarian5595
@enochpowellslibrarian5595 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant channel, very informative 👍stay safe , Love from the UK .
@R33-GTR
@R33-GTR 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you turbocharge a fuel injected car, and use an adjustable rising rate fuel pressure regulator, with fuel jet from a nitrous kit to tune for the extra fuel (instead of adjusting the normal fuel injection)
@MAsWorld1
@MAsWorld1 Ай бұрын
You need to modulate the “dwell” (the duration that the injector is open each time it fires). With a fixed dwell like you have, the fuel delivery is good only for a specific throttle opening. It’s not the size of the injector that matters, it’s the length of time it’s open, this is basically what the ecm controls depending on what the sensors tell it. Your simple method could work on a fixed rpm engine, like a lawnmower or generator. If you controlled the point gap relative to throttle position, it would probably work fairly well although still quite crudely.
@beezball
@beezball 2 жыл бұрын
Much love for the Russian people! No love for evil Putin! Keep putting good into the world G54.
@bobelaviador
@bobelaviador 2 жыл бұрын
I own a Lada Niva 2001, with a Rochester TBI model 700, mono injector equipped. No complaints
@dadsgametime
@dadsgametime 2 жыл бұрын
You can tell you were suffering from all that atomized fuel. Way to be dedicated.👍 Best wishes from the USA. Loving your content for years now.
@Jedendwa0
@Jedendwa0 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you really know that the Russian military is killing children and women in Ukraine?
@loud_n_lowtaco200
@loud_n_lowtaco200 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jedendwa0 yes, Russian military. Not Russian people. Russian government is the enemy not the people
@genderlessyoutubefanperson
@genderlessyoutubefanperson 2 жыл бұрын
@@loud_n_lowtaco200 Many of the Russian people still support Putin and do not believe that he invaded Ukraine. It is insane how brainwashed and ignorant people can be.
@loud_n_lowtaco200
@loud_n_lowtaco200 2 жыл бұрын
@@genderlessyoutubefanperson yes, Russian media is trying to hide what the government is doing and even the soldiers were told it was just an exercise, and then next thing they know they are on the front lines. Most definitely sad to think they don’t know what effects their own ignorance (not their choice sadly) has on innocent people right now :(
@genderlessyoutubefanperson
@genderlessyoutubefanperson 2 жыл бұрын
@@loud_n_lowtaco200 True, sad but true.
@foxisretrofitting4556
@foxisretrofitting4556 2 жыл бұрын
That worked exceptionally well given the colder temperatures it was running in. Great video.
@fuzzybobbles
@fuzzybobbles 2 жыл бұрын
I still support Russian people and Russian KZbin channels. But not their government or leaders.
@youneverknow111
@youneverknow111 2 жыл бұрын
god damn thats right
@TsunauticusIV
@TsunauticusIV 2 жыл бұрын
Grow a set and stop supporting the Russian economy by watching their vids. Unsubscribe and move on.
@Jonas_Aa
@Jonas_Aa 2 жыл бұрын
@@burtsegal3612 Please tell me why you think Russia should invade Ukraine.
@ER-WHATEVER
@ER-WHATEVER 2 жыл бұрын
Unsubscribed
@fuzzybobbles
@fuzzybobbles 2 жыл бұрын
@@burtsegal3612 Unvaxed and never worn a mask. Western Gov is as corrupt as Russia is. But I won't support any who think invading a country and killing innocent families and children is a good thing.
@rumplestiltskin509
@rumplestiltskin509 6 ай бұрын
The reason this is not working well it's because the injector pulse width (dwell) is typically controlled by the computer to accomplish this. Without being able to constantly adjust the distributor dwell depending on load conditions, it will never operate ideally. Depending on the gap, it is still going to be a fixed fuel ratio without changing dwell. Given the extreme primitive injection system fabricated here, it works rather well. Good job guys 👍
@XenoWiz
@XenoWiz 2 жыл бұрын
This guy deserves WAYYY more Subscribers guys lol this guy has been at stuff like this for a long time now!
@tarunarya1780
@tarunarya1780 2 ай бұрын
Nice proof concept though explains ideal microcontroller / lamda to adjust fuel output.
@jsheradin
@jsheradin 2 жыл бұрын
Look into the "Speeduino" project. It's an open source ECU that can be built dirt cheap and will run pretty much any motor.
@CarsWaifu
@CarsWaifu 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for the info it’ll help me a lot in my project
@HR15DE
@HR15DE 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Pgm fi that lada and rev it to 7k
@Jedendwa0
@Jedendwa0 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you really know that the Russian military is killing children and women in Ukraine? Pozdrawiam z Polski.
@gabrielv.4358
@gabrielv.4358 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jedendwa0 its a Puttin problem. Not Garage54 or Russians.
@Insanity_Crow
@Insanity_Crow 2 жыл бұрын
I come here for the cars and creativity. Thanks for doing what you do.
@xwxwx7500
@xwxwx7500 2 жыл бұрын
add vacuum line to pressure regulator lower pressure at idle and rise at wide open throttle, you need less fuel at idle and more fuel on acceleration, you might need more than just 1 injector
@Leonardo.220
@Leonardo.220 2 жыл бұрын
Assuming that i understood the mechanism behind the opening sustem of the injector, i think that you need something else in order to remove the switch you added in order to avoid the injector to stay open, something that interrupts the connection to the injector only when the engine is off (for example a relay that closes when the alternator is generating energy), or make sure to ignore a continuous signal and use only the ac signal generated... there are a lot of ways to do so, a lot of thec can be also be used as a regulation system too
@gordonlawrence1448
@gordonlawrence1448 2 жыл бұрын
This is the guy you want as a neighbor if SHTF as all he needs is two elestic bands and some second hand sellotape to fix anything!
@davidut55
@davidut55 Жыл бұрын
You have to consider throttle position, otherwise it is like you said, rich at idle and lean under load! I was thinking make the points adjustable with a lever connected to throttle cable. Then, with no throttle you have short injector pulse, when you press throttle the injector pulse gets longer and dumps more fuel, after that as rpm increases even more fuel gets in from more injector pulses.
@googacct
@googacct 2 жыл бұрын
Very creative. I like the window you added to be able to see the fuel going into the engine. I also found your method of attaching the distributor to the overhead cam very interesting. It makes me wonder if you could take a car with an ECM and downconvert to use a distributor and carbureteur. .
@mattquarles7029
@mattquarles7029 2 жыл бұрын
you can people do it all the time. you just have to use a 2 wire electric fuel pump get a carb style intake. on alot of chevy trucks you can swap an old carb intake to a fguel injected motor take out the ecu run a 2 wire pump with 1 wire alternator activated by the same wire as pump an msd ignition box for timing and a separate hei distributor you can make it a carb motor from fuel injection. done it once myself.
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 2 жыл бұрын
that window trick i gota try it for my turbocharged system right in the middle between the intake manifold and pressurised air cleaner downstream from the outlet of the 76-70T so i can see if it's icing up or not and air flow/dirt stoppage ect
@TheSimoc
@TheSimoc 2 жыл бұрын
@@mattquarles7029 Yes, I think quite many engines designed at or near the carb-to-efi transition era, have bolt-on swappable carb and efi, and manufactured and sold with both versions. For example, Toyota had 4A-F carb engine, and 4A-FE which was same but carb system parts replaced with similarly fitting injection system parts.
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable Жыл бұрын
I took my drive by wire 1.9 Tdi And converted it to mechanical pump no computer. Doesn’t even need a single wire to work
@matthewmorrone883
@matthewmorrone883 Жыл бұрын
​@@fastinradfordableloved my 95 TD. Had it running 32psi boost with a manual vacuum valve in the glovebox and the mechanical pump turned up a little😅 problem was after a while it sheared the crank pulley keyway and grenaded the engine. Apparently the TDI pulley is the fix for the older cars. Didnt do that myself but heard other Dub nuts do.
@kevinfloyd808
@kevinfloyd808 Жыл бұрын
Chevy built a whole generation of truck engines on this theory, throttle body injection, 87 to 98. Just a stripped down carb (throttle body with no fuel circuits) and an injector or 2 Montes above the throttle plate. It actually worked rather well,
@jorgefernandez-mv8hu
@jorgefernandez-mv8hu 2 жыл бұрын
That was pretty cool. You can get rid of the switch by putting in a relay so when you shut the key off it cuts the power to the injector. Great video.
@planetina1145
@planetina1145 Жыл бұрын
Russia is cool. Putin is not. We must love our neighbors regardless of presidents. I know Russians do not agree with the war. Most anyways. You guys are the monument of Russia. I think Garage 54 should run for president haha 😂
@skylinefever
@skylinefever 2 жыл бұрын
Always stay weird, Garage 54. I love seeing your bizzarre experiments, especially on these old east European cars. I know you sometimes want ideas for odd experiments. The only one I can think of is tires made of Teflon. I suppose you could go to someone who rebuilds heavy truck tires, and give them PTFE power instead of rubber powder.
@johndrachenberg2254
@johndrachenberg2254 2 жыл бұрын
Do yourself a favor and watch the BBC documentary "The Devil We Know" about the manufacture of Teflon. Be prepared to have nightmares. I highly doubt you'd suggest using such a vile substance if you truly knew how terrible it is for all life on Earth...
@calculator1841
@calculator1841 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if KZbin will censor this or the FBI will shoot my dog but: I stand with Russia.
@petermarios6219
@petermarios6219 2 жыл бұрын
Great show as always, I would like to thank the commentator for all your work without you i wouldn't understand a word. Thank you so much and keep up the great work
@rupe53
@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 60s VW used electronic injection controlled by a second set of points in the base of the distributor. Those points had 2 contacts and a single cam lobe that fired left and right banks alternately. The fuel pressure was modulated via manifold vacuum to lean it out at idle and richen at load. It was a VERY simple system that was VERY reliable.
@chadburkle1461
@chadburkle1461 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me more about it
@rupe53
@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын
@@chadburkle1461 ... research Bosch K-Jetronic injection. It was used in the late 60s and early 70s for VW air cooled. Later version was the L-Jetronic, which used a mechanical mass airflow sensor instead of vacuum. That was also used by Datsun / Nissan through the early 80s. As I recall, both used air and engine temp sensors to fine tune cold starting. Some versions used an extra injector to add fuel in very cold weather. I believe it was actuated by the starter circuit.
@rupe53
@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын
@@RussEdgar445y7tlfj ... you're right. it's been so long that I'm confusing the systems. The one VW used might very well be a D Jetronic in the early years.
@rupe53
@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын
@@RussEdgar445y7tlfj ... gonna take a wild guess is the *K* stands for something in German, so it's not just a progression of letters as the modes change.
@rupe53
@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын
@@RussEdgar445y7tlfj ... I never worked much on them but wondering if that's similar to the CIS that Saab and a few others used. As I recall they were mechanical.
@benburdovsky7347
@benburdovsky7347 2 жыл бұрын
how about war ? in ukraine , do you know about that ?
@enochpowellslibrarian5595
@enochpowellslibrarian5595 2 жыл бұрын
And ?
@Bosscheesemo
@Bosscheesemo 3 ай бұрын
Who cares. What's so special about Ukraine that they matter?
@revlouch
@revlouch 2 жыл бұрын
Hey do y’all still get money from KZbin or merch? Due to sanctions I an American wanted to make sure you’d get the money if not I’ll try to wait till this Putin mess blows over *edit can people upvote this so they see it so we all know?
@yacinealg152
@yacinealg152 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best mechanic channels on KZbin
@HKRXPRS
@HKRXPRS 2 жыл бұрын
So the premise is to see if you can replace the carby with single point fuel injection? Yes. Yes you can, a whole host of different makes and cars did it in the 80's.
@davisphillips7792
@davisphillips7792 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job guys! I liked the distributor as fuel timing. I wonder what your fuel pressure was. And maybe have a second pump activated by contact switch off the throttle body to boost the injector at higher rpm. Thanks for sharing.
@inmyopinion6836
@inmyopinion6836 2 жыл бұрын
Or could you connect the fuel pump to an electric rheostat controlled by the gas pedal. Sort of like a light dimmer.
@modelnutty6503
@modelnutty6503 2 жыл бұрын
@@inmyopinion6836 simple and elegant!
@gabrielv.4358
@gabrielv.4358 2 жыл бұрын
Creating a single point fuel injection!!
@RDCST
@RDCST 2 жыл бұрын
The injection angle/time should increase with load and RPM, that's not possible with a distributor, so you should increase the fuel pressure using the vacuum in the intake port, behind the throttle body. The distributor is working giving a lot of fuel at low RPM and less at high RPM. Also you should add an O2 sensor in the exhaust system and a hallmeter to know what is happening.
@marcinrychu9964
@marcinrychu9964 2 жыл бұрын
Фильм как всегда хорош, а вы знаете, что Путин делает в Украине? С уважением из Нидерландов...
@quinnjohnson198
@quinnjohnson198 2 жыл бұрын
I really like watching your videos and hope all is well with you and yours. Take care be safe and keep the great content coming.
@Jedendwa0
@Jedendwa0 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you really know that the Russian military is killing children and women in Ukraine? Pozdrawiam z Polski.
@K1NGB1LLY
@K1NGB1LLY 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jedendwa0 The innocent Russian people aren’t tho are they ? They don’t exactly have any control over what’s going on. Keep the amazing content coming Garage 54 . All the best from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@Wk-is8eh
@Wk-is8eh 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jedendwa0 Way to discriminate. I suppose you think all Muslims are terrorists too.
@hummingasser4227
@hummingasser4227 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jedendwa0
@json8172
@json8172 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like someone is gonna make retro fitting kits from this info. so rad!
@adriancarter825
@adriancarter825 2 жыл бұрын
All you’re content is brilliant, all the best from uk 🇬🇧
@jadesmith6823
@jadesmith6823 2 жыл бұрын
What is your view on Russia verses Ukraine?
@212MPH
@212MPH 2 жыл бұрын
@@jadesmith6823 the west have alot to answer for this should never have happened.
@darthweeble7817
@darthweeble7817 2 жыл бұрын
@@jadesmith6823 really not that simple. Especially when right sector is involved. For instance UKR forces dropped a missile on an Azov hq as revenge for them targeting a UKR general. Unless you can understand the history you won't understand what's happening now.
@adriancarter825
@adriancarter825 2 жыл бұрын
@@jadesmith6823 , rewind to 2014 the neo nazi group called the azov brigade were attacking ethnic Russians in the Donbas region this little war has been going on for eight years , and I. That time the azov brigade has been made a regiment within the Ukraine military, so that is what putin means when he talks about denazifiying Ukraine, it’s a sad state of affairs, and western powers in my opinion did not negotiate or allow more negotiations or want more bit lacklustre , but look who’s in the Whitehouse need I say more , also I find western leaders hypocrites bush and Blair invaded Iraq killing thousands destroying towns , but that has just been swept under the carpet the fact there were no weapons of massive destruction, the hypocrisy is sickening, is Ukraine being in nato worth the blood shed , plus agreements have been broken or they would be if Ukraine joined NATO , just hate seeing women and children fleeing leaving there men behind it very sad .
@jadesmith6823
@jadesmith6823 2 жыл бұрын
@@darthweeble7817 so who is physically there?
@1234567890CAB
@1234567890CAB 2 жыл бұрын
They're doing this backwards. The distributor is normally closed and opens on each lobe. That means at idle the injector is going to be mostly on. The distributor is turning the injector off for each lobe. As you rev the engine higher the distributor is spinning faster and turning the injector off more. Of course that would create rich at idle and lean when revving. They need to set it up so that the injector only turns on for each lobe of the distributor. An easy way to do that would be a relay that is normally closed and opens when getting power from the distributor. That way the faster you rev the engine the more the injector will be pulsed on.
@Pazuzu-2048
@Pazuzu-2048 2 жыл бұрын
Are Russian youtubers still getting youtube money?
@antoniovillanueva308
@antoniovillanueva308 2 жыл бұрын
Best wishes to the Russian and the Ukrainian peoples from US.
@MichaelThomas-wb2xu
@MichaelThomas-wb2xu 2 жыл бұрын
The Chevy 283 CI had a window in the distributor cap so you could adjust the point gap (dwell) while the engine was running, that would have worked well for you! You sure have a great crew, thanks for all you do!
@gabrielv.4358
@gabrielv.4358 2 жыл бұрын
Thats cool
@mrrambles852
@mrrambles852 2 жыл бұрын
You could have a momentary switch that engages at half throttle triggering a second injector?
@migueldelacruz4799
@migueldelacruz4799 2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to watch these guys work without thinking about all the silly stuff I wanna try.
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on creating a paradox! The engine needs fuel and air to run (generate RPMs)... The injector is hooked up where it only pulses ON (opens) every time the crank (well, cam) makes a full revolution. To increase the RPM, you need more air and fuel, on an upward trending angle... But the fuel rate can't increase until there's more RPMs... But the RPMs can't increase without more fuel... lol But seriously, I like the idea a lot, was interesting! (even though they are just trying to recreate a really crude "Throttle Body Injection" lol) I think where they went wrong is they should've used a DC drill motor and trigger as the "pulse generator" to keep it separate from the engine RPMs. Gas pedal is connected to the drill trigger, giving variable speeds. Of course, matching how much electric motor speed with engine RPM would be the real trick. Right now as it is on this vid, it's running too rich at low RPM, but then starts to lean out and can't make more power. (which he confirms) The reason you have to *go easy on the gas pedal" is because the air:fuel ratio (AFR) is way off and the engine has to catch up once there's more air... But then it leans out to much... etc etc paradox. If they still have access to the open internet, I suggest they lookup 1950s era fuel injection and how they went about tackling the AFR with only mechanical systems... If start by adapting the fueling system from a diesel Lada 🤔
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE 2 жыл бұрын
That'll teach me to ramble before I scrolled through a few pages of the comments! lol TBI, mechanical fuel injection, rich-idle/lean-revved... All mentioned! We're a smart enough bunch, I should've known after 3days my thoughts would've already been conveyed! 😁
@jwalster9412
@jwalster9412 2 жыл бұрын
People in Canada: "I can't drive today, the gas prices are to high." People in R: "we will just do a quick, engine, MFI swap, RWD swap, modify the wheel base to make it shorter, add tank tracks, all a quick days work, no biggy."
@danijel124
@danijel124 2 жыл бұрын
Or we will invade ukraine...
@pko1980
@pko1980 2 жыл бұрын
Slava Ukraini ! 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦
@VincentNacon
@VincentNacon 2 жыл бұрын
Good men like you guys don't need to be dragged into another pointless war. You guys deserve a better leader than Putin. 🌻
@frederickcrossley8303
@frederickcrossley8303 2 жыл бұрын
Ford did that years ago fuel injector and throttle body. Single injector.
@SoddingaboutSi
@SoddingaboutSi 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Single point injection! Works increasable well considering there is no duty cycle modulation on the injector. Thanks G54!
@hoganhogan952
@hoganhogan952 2 жыл бұрын
@@ccox7198 I would think the injector would lean out as it revs higher because of the lack of modulation. The faster the revs the shorter the pulse to the injector because it is just a points system.
@cS-nf2dg
@cS-nf2dg 2 жыл бұрын
The duty cycle come from the dwell time from the distributer used to trigger it.
@SoddingaboutSi
@SoddingaboutSi 2 жыл бұрын
@@cS-nf2dg yes but it's fixed.
@TruckinBeagle
@TruckinBeagle 5 күн бұрын
You could patent this as a conversion kit!
@OIFIIIOIF-VET
@OIFIIIOIF-VET 2 жыл бұрын
I've been asking for a pulse jet on a lightweight Lada for 3 years...............maybe this is this year.
@lostoxicos24-78
@lostoxicos24-78 2 жыл бұрын
U can use a voltage regulator on the tps side and regulate how much the injegcor open also u can install a vaccum regulator to get u more fuel when in acceleration. As the volt regulator go up so does the psi. I say it might work.
@jareknowak8712
@jareknowak8712 2 жыл бұрын
If You cant control the duration of single injection, You can still control the fuel pressure. Connect the gas pedal with the fuel pressure regulator - this will change the amount of fuel per one injection.
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 2 жыл бұрын
You absolutely can control the duration of a single injector.... what makes you think you cant?
@jareknowak8712
@jareknowak8712 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrewLSsix You can do it wit ECU. How to do it without any electronic?
@rupe53
@rupe53 2 жыл бұрын
@@jareknowak8712 .... redesign the dist so the vac advance changes the point gap with manifold vacuum. That way you can get longer and shorter duration for pulse width for changing load.
@turkeyboyjh1
@turkeyboyjh1 2 жыл бұрын
The fpr needs the vacuum line connected to the manifolds
@PacAnimal
@PacAnimal 2 жыл бұрын
More of this, less shooting at Ukraine, please.
@Reman1975
@Reman1975 2 жыл бұрын
From what I've read, Most of the civilian Russian population is as strongly against the invasion as the rest of the world. I think the only reason why most their military didn't just refused to carry out their orders is because it would be tantamount to signing your own death warrant over there.
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable Жыл бұрын
And do u also ask American soldiers to stop oppressing 3rd world countries?
@rexxbare9255
@rexxbare9255 Жыл бұрын
This is an ignorant comment, especially on this channel. Educate yourself and stop getting your opinion from media owned by the types like Jeff bozos
@homelessEh
@homelessEh 2 жыл бұрын
Garage 54 is my saturday morning cartoon equivalent lol
@SwapBlogRU
@SwapBlogRU 2 жыл бұрын
Hope everyone is having a great evening! Enjoy the video.
@SwapBlogRU
@SwapBlogRU 2 жыл бұрын
@@razvi01 goodbye
@RolandWalper
@RolandWalper 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting work! You should use a capacitor in the line to the (big) fuel injector and a resistor parallel to the coil of the injector. Then you have a clear timing for the fuel injection at every rpm. Just try it with some different capacitors, I think someone at your side will understand my idea. BR Roland
@jareknowak8712
@jareknowak8712 2 жыл бұрын
This will make the duration of injection independent of the revs? Equal lenght for every rev range? Im not into electronics, but it sounds like speaker crossover :)
@RolandWalper
@RolandWalper 2 жыл бұрын
@@jareknowak8712 I think so, should be a way for an analog fuel injection, it is a project for trying...
@soupflood
@soupflood Жыл бұрын
That will work like a class A amplifier, only with a mechanical switch instead of a TRANSISTOR. The problem will be the injector minimum on-time, below which it will start to drip.
@Tydusis1
@Tydusis1 2 жыл бұрын
Just remembered this channel. Glad you are still uploading! Goofy car build antics is entertainment beyond borders and language
@MsLoneWolf4
@MsLoneWolf4 2 жыл бұрын
Ah the recreation of the old TBI except the injector is behind the throttle body.
@neilgillam9919
@neilgillam9919 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys. Another great experiment. Keep up the good work. . All our prayers and hopefully yours too for Ukraine. Keep safe guys.
@Binge420
@Binge420 Жыл бұрын
It’s called throttle body injection it works because it’s already a thing 🤷‍♂️
@Aleks_Mechanics
@Aleks_Mechanics 2 жыл бұрын
notification squad, Have a nice weekend guys!🔥🔥🔥
@ahumeniy
@ahumeniy 2 жыл бұрын
Well certainly there are mechanic fuel inyection at least in diesel engines which don't need an ECU to work so it's totally possible
@darthgbc363
@darthgbc363 2 жыл бұрын
What if you had no timing for injectors? Just throttle position. Have a tiny injector for idle & another tiny injector for above idle. Just on or off. Maybe a third injector at full throttle.
@stellawolfmann8353
@stellawolfmann8353 2 жыл бұрын
You guys are very entertaining and crazy as hell but i love it :)
@paulkazjack
@paulkazjack 2 жыл бұрын
Down with putin.
@cwjsmit64
@cwjsmit64 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is awesome. Trying crazy shit that others wouldn't lol. Respect!
@akio2589
@akio2589 2 жыл бұрын
Should've had a staged setup with an additional 2-3 small injectors that would turn on at different throttle positions. Also, a referenced fuel pressure regulator would probably be useful. What you have currently is, in essence, a GM TBI setup. With the exception that the injector is behind the butterfly instead of in front of it.
@dunhillsupramk3
@dunhillsupramk3 2 жыл бұрын
looks at title... hmmm it should work seeing that is "holley EFi" whole business set up i would say this should work...
@amiltonfcjunior
@amiltonfcjunior 2 жыл бұрын
I like your content. You guys are awesome creating such interesting things. Keep doing it, because your knowledge and discoveries are worth to be spread worldwide. We are not politicians, we are completely against the war, we are here to share knowledge and to support the Russians that do not represent what's been happening right now. I hope you guys take care and do not stop recording.
@jgedutis
@jgedutis 2 жыл бұрын
I really hope the Russian people can overthrow Putin before life gets really tough for the average Russian. I'm glad to see your channel still on the air.
@jessewildman1292
@jessewildman1292 2 жыл бұрын
This is simultaneously hilarious and absolutely genius. Most people will never understand how insanely knowledgeable and smart this guy is.
@a4channoob
@a4channoob 2 жыл бұрын
using that distributor to control injector pulse will never work correctly. it will run rich at idle and lean at higher rpm because you are shortening the pulse width the faster the rpm is with that setup instead of enlarging it. it might be pulsing more rapidly but for shorter amount of time. just like the issue that it can leave the injector open when engine is off.
@operator8014
@operator8014 2 жыл бұрын
Fuel injectors take a bit of time to move from closed to open. At lower RPM, it is spending more time open than at higher RPM. Hence the low RPM flooding and high RPM leaning out.
@jadesmith6823
@jadesmith6823 2 жыл бұрын
❤️😂
@cliffcorbitt9494
@cliffcorbitt9494 2 жыл бұрын
I've been a mechanic for a long time working on a lot of cars I never went to school for it but in my mind I'm thinking that an injector is holding back those PSIs while they have power going to them and the magnets holding the spring loaded ball valve take a lot of force when the explosion occurs as well. So yeah I'm sure it takes a little time for them to open and close even though it's milliseconds
@AnalogDude_
@AnalogDude_ 2 жыл бұрын
true, you need a micro controller with an algo that generates a PWM signal and a crank pos sensor.
@kolteralberts
@kolteralberts 2 жыл бұрын
I believe that the butterflies valve should be after the Fuel Injector. Assume that you guys do this stuff
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